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September 2010 Cookbook of the Month VOTING (Through Mon., 8/23)

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smtucker Aug 18, 2010 09:23 PM

Phew! There was a lot of discussion, but at the end it came down to two options.

Option 1:
Claudia Roden THE NEW BOOK OF MIDDLE EASTERN FOOD
Claudia Roden ARABESQUE: A Taste of Morocco, Turkey, and Lebanon

Option 2:
Thomas Keller AD HOC @ HOME

VOTING: One Chowhound, one vote. You can cast your vote in the form of book title, author name, or option number but you MUST type your vote in ALL CAPITALS if you want it counted.

Voting will be open through MONDAY AUGUST 23.

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  1. Caitlin McGrath RE: smtucker Aug 18, 2010 10:16 PM

    THE NEW BOOK OF MIDDLE EASTERN FOOD and ARABESQUE

    1. Rubee RE: smtucker Aug 18, 2010 10:38 PM

      THE NEW BOOK OF MIDDLE EASTERN FOOD and ARABESQUE

      1. honkman RE: smtucker Aug 18, 2010 11:35 PM

        AD HOC

        1. Gio RE: smtucker Aug 19, 2010 03:58 AM

          THE NEW BOOK OF MIDDLE EASTERN FOOD and ARABESQUE

          1. BigSal RE: smtucker Aug 19, 2010 04:24 AM

            THE NEW BOOK OF MIDDLE EASTERN FOOD and ARABESQUE

            1. roxlet RE: smtucker Aug 19, 2010 04:38 AM

              AD HOC. After a year in Egypt, I'm sick of Middle Eastern food!

              1. rabaja RE: smtucker Aug 19, 2010 08:02 AM

                AD HOC

                thank you!

                1. justlauralibrarian RE: smtucker Aug 19, 2010 01:58 PM

                  THE NEW BOOK OF MIDDLE EASTERN FOOD and ARABESQUE

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                    AJMC791 RE: smtucker Aug 19, 2010 02:00 PM

                    AD HOC

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                      JaneEYB RE: smtucker Aug 19, 2010 02:25 PM

                      AD HOC

                      1. pikawicca RE: smtucker Aug 19, 2010 06:25 PM

                        I give up.

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                          runwestierun RE: pikawicca Aug 19, 2010 06:30 PM

                          Why do you give up?

                          1. re: runwestierun
                            pikawicca RE: runwestierun Aug 19, 2010 06:39 PM

                            I don't understand how Plenty didn't make it to the voting stage. I love Arabesque, but we've done that. Plenty is worth a close look. I disliked Ad Hoc At Home so much that I gave my copy to Candy.

                            1. re: pikawicca
                              The Dairy Queen RE: pikawicca Aug 19, 2010 07:07 PM

                              pikawicca, you're not interested in The New Book of Middle Eastern Food?

                              ~TDQ

                              1. re: pikawicca
                                Gio RE: pikawicca Aug 20, 2010 05:57 AM

                                Pika... I didn't cook from Arabesque when it first was COTM and if it wins for September, I'm still not going to. I only be cooking from The New Book of Middle Eastern Food. As for Ad Hoc... I'll be cooking from Plenty. LOL

                                1. re: Gio
                                  The Dairy Queen RE: Gio Aug 20, 2010 06:27 AM

                                  Gio, I also did not cook from Arabesque the first time around and was hoping to "secondarily" dip into that while also cooking from The New Book of ME Food. However, the more research I've done into TNBofMEF the more excited about cooking from that book.

                                  ~TDQ

                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                    Gio RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 20, 2010 06:37 AM

                                    TDQ, I have 2 fabulous books on Mediterranean food that I Love. Both books were written by Joanna Farrow and Jacqueline Clark. So, I was not interested in another when Arabesque came along.
                                    http://www.amazon.com/Mediterranean-J...

                                    However, when I saw the revised edition of TNBoMEF... well, I had to have it.

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                                      pikawicca RE: Gio Aug 20, 2010 06:44 AM

                                      Arabesque is worth adding to your collection, especially if you're an eggplant fan: 20 recipes using this veg. I've made 13 of them so far, all excellent, a few remarkably so.

                                      1. re: Gio
                                        The Dairy Queen RE: Gio Aug 20, 2010 06:47 AM

                                        That book does sound lovely, but my attraction to Arabesque is my specific interest in Turkish cuisine. I noticed TNBoMEF mentions that the region it covers includes Turkey, but I couldn't tell (by looking at it on Amazon) whether it really had many specifically Turkish recipes.

                                        ~TDQ

                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                          pikawicca RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 20, 2010 07:09 AM

                                          About a third of the recipes in Arabesque are Turkish, roughly 25-30 percent in TNBoMEF are, although this is sometimes a difficult distinction to make. The Ottomans spread their cuisine throughout the region, adding recipes from their empire to their own repertoire.

                                          1. re: pikawicca
                                            The Dairy Queen RE: pikawicca Aug 20, 2010 07:20 AM

                                            Oh, good to know that TNBoMEF has a lot of Turkish recipes, too.

                                            ~TDQ

                                        2. re: Gio
                                          greedygirl RE: Gio Aug 20, 2010 06:47 AM

                                          Arabesque isn't a book about Mediterranean food, really, or not as I would define it. It covers only three countries - Turkey, Lebanon and Morocco. To me, Mediterranean when used to refer to cooking is almost meaningless, as it covers so many countries which have defined cuisines of their own, including France, Italy, Spain and Greece.

                                          1. re: greedygirl
                                            Gio RE: greedygirl Aug 20, 2010 07:02 AM

                                            Ah well... yes, you are correct. Arabesque zeros in on three countries, whereas the other books cover a more widespread area. My groaning cookbook shelves are going to complain...

                                        3. re: The Dairy Queen
                                          greedygirl RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 20, 2010 08:10 AM

                                          Me too (on the Arabesque front).

                                          And Turkish food is great.

                                          1. re: greedygirl
                                            The Dairy Queen RE: greedygirl Aug 20, 2010 08:21 AM

                                            I've done some searching of NBofMEF on EYB and several of my favorite Turkish recipes do seem to be in there, manti, sahleb, etc. There are also several that don't seem to be in there or in books index (per Amazon). So, I'm pretty encouraged. I think I might try to get both books out of the library and if NBofMEF has most of what I'm looking for, I may not need to acquire Arabesque anyway. I'm particular interested in Turkish sweets and I can tell (per the index on Amazon) that NBofMEF has at least a discussion of Turkish sweets, but I don't really know what it has for recipes. There are a zillion gorgeous Turkish sweets that I don't know by name. I would just love to tackle a bunch of Turkish sweets recipes.

                                            ~TDQ

                                            1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                              greedygirl RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 20, 2010 08:47 AM

                                              Ghillie Bhasan is very well regarded when it comes to Turkish Cooking, btw. I am currently on the hunt for a second-hand copy of her book (which is also recommended by Ottolenghi). Buttertart said they crop up fairly regularly in NY so maybe you'll be lucky.

                                              http://www.amazon.co.uk/Classic-Turki...

                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                buttertart RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 20, 2010 12:13 PM

                                                You should get yourself to Gulloglu here and have some chestnut baklava. Oh my goodness.

                                              2. re: greedygirl
                                                oakjoan RE: greedygirl Aug 23, 2010 06:19 PM

                                                Weird that we're doing a repeat of an earlier COTM. Has COTM been going on for so long that we're doing duplicates? Sheesh.

                                                1. re: oakjoan
                                                  beetlebug RE: oakjoan Aug 24, 2010 06:10 AM

                                                  Wow, COTM has been active since September 2006. We cooked from Arabesque in April 2007. It really doesn't seem like 3+ years since we explored that book.

                                                  1. re: beetlebug
                                                    The Dairy Queen RE: beetlebug Aug 24, 2010 06:15 AM

                                                    Isn't that amazing? 2006 seems so long ago!

                                                    EDIT--if my count is accurate, that's 59 books, counting Julia CHild's ouevre as "one" (I don't know how else to count it.) The math doesn't work out exactly as you'd expect because some months we've done up to four (Casas) and we're repeated a couple of books around the holidays. Still, now I understand why my bookshelves are bursting with cookbooks!

                                                    ~TDQ

                                                    1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                      beetlebug RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 24, 2010 06:17 AM

                                                      I have learned SO MUCH from doing COTM. It's really mind boggling to me. And, the time really has flown. I guess the adage of time flies when you're having fun is really true.

                                                      1. re: beetlebug
                                                        The Dairy Queen RE: beetlebug Aug 24, 2010 06:22 AM

                                                        I completely agree. Really diving in and cooking has boosted my confidence so much. I would really love to do a book along the lines of "Think Like A Chef" one of these days to help me feel less reliant on recipes. That would be the next level for me.

                                                        ~TDQ

                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                          LulusMom RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 24, 2010 08:16 AM

                                                          Me too. I feel I've benefited SO much from taking part in COTM. I feel much more confident as a cook, I've explored cuisines I probably wouldn't have without it, and I've made some great friends too. I can't tell you how often I go back to threads when I'm deciding on what to make for dinner. All of you other cooks help me so much, without even realizing it.

                                                          1. re: LulusMom
                                                            Gio RE: LulusMom Aug 24, 2010 08:58 AM

                                                            Oh I do that too... return to threads for inspiration. I really feel privileged to be cooking with this group of intrepid and knowledgeable home cooks.

                                      2. re: pikawicca
                                        roxlet RE: pikawicca Aug 19, 2010 06:33 PM

                                        We can still cook from Plenty anyway! But I am surprised that Plenty didn't make it onto the voting list. Did it not have enough nominations?

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                                          JaneEYB RE: roxlet Aug 19, 2010 07:03 PM

                                          I would definitely vote for Plenty next month as I love Ottolenghi's recipes. I just really wanted to do Ad Hoc soon as I feel I've neglected it and there are lots of great recipes I want to try. I'm really pleased at how joining COTM has pushed me to be more adventurous. I hadn't used CAC before but I've cooked so many new recipes that I will want to repeat.

                                        2. re: pikawicca
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                                          smtucker RE: pikawicca Aug 19, 2010 07:30 PM

                                          Oh dear.... should I be defending the choice I made?

                                          My notes indicate the following nomination count:
                                          Plenty & Ottelgheni 3
                                          New Middle East & Arabesque 5
                                          Ad Hoc @ Home 5
                                          Greens and Grains 3

                                          I did the count two times. It was either the top 2, or all 4. I thought the goal was to vote on the books that had the greatest consensus. Please correct me if I have misunderstood what I have been watching for the past two years.

                                          1. re: smtucker
                                            The Dairy Queen RE: smtucker Aug 19, 2010 07:44 PM

                                            smtucker, I think the COTM coordinator has to exercise judgment in order to keep the process clipping along. Even though I've never been a coordinator, your judgment looks fine to me. You have to draw the line somewhere! Though people might express disappointment about the outcome of the nominations and voting, I don't think they are expressing disappointment in your judgment. Thank you for organizing this for us!

                                            EDIT: P.S. I didn't nominate and don't plan on voting as I won't be around much in the first part of Sept, but I look forward to cooking from the winner(s) in the latter part of Sept! Maybe I'll be able to catch up on CAC too!

                                            ~TDQ

                                            1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                              mebby RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 19, 2010 09:59 PM

                                              What she said!

                                              I too was disappointed that Plenty didn't make the cut, but perfectly well understand -- and agree with -- your approach to culling the list. Thank you for taking this coordinator gig on. (And I too did not nominate given demands in Sept and less likelihood to be culinarily adventurous, but hope to join in and, at the least, follow along as an avid fan.)

                                            2. re: smtucker
                                              roxlet RE: smtucker Aug 20, 2010 05:28 AM

                                              OK, so I guess that I wasn't thinking because I assumed that Plenty would be in the voting thread since it had been nominated, and I stupidly did not add to the nominations. Oh well. I will think next time...

                                              1. re: smtucker
                                                beetlebug RE: smtucker Aug 20, 2010 05:45 AM

                                                Ditto what TDQ said. Also, in my experience as an observer, when there are too many choices in the voting list (basically more than two), the votes themselves get really diluted. Then there are observations that the winning book only "won" with 4 votes or something like that.

                                                Thanks for organizing.

                                                1. re: smtucker
                                                  Gio RE: smtucker Aug 20, 2010 05:53 AM

                                                  You have absolutely nothing to defend, SMT. The decision looks fairly straightforward to me. The top two books are tied, and that what we're voting on. Thank you for taking on this coordination.

                                                  1. re: smtucker
                                                    LulusMom RE: smtucker Aug 20, 2010 07:17 AM

                                                    You did fine. Not to worry.

                                                    1. re: smtucker
                                                      jen kalb RE: smtucker Aug 20, 2010 08:18 AM

                                                      I did a rough count and think plenty had 4, and A&H and Roden 6 so I have no problem with the decision, tho I dont favor it. next month is a new month.

                                                  2. DiningDiva RE: smtucker Aug 19, 2010 06:31 PM

                                                    AD HOC

                                                    1. greedygirl RE: smtucker Aug 20, 2010 12:49 AM

                                                      THE NEW BOOK OF MIDDLE EASTERN FOOD and ARABESQUE.

                                                      1. LulusMom RE: smtucker Aug 20, 2010 07:17 AM

                                                        THE NEW BOOK OF MIDDLE EASTERN FOOD and ARABESQUE. Please and thank you.

                                                        1. JoanN RE: smtucker Aug 20, 2010 09:50 AM

                                                          AD HOC--although I won't be able to get to it until toward the end of the month.

                                                          1. steve h. RE: smtucker Aug 21, 2010 01:21 PM

                                                            AD HOC

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                                                              dismith RE: smtucker Aug 21, 2010 02:49 PM

                                                              THE NEW BOOK OF MIDDLE EASTERN FOOD and ARABESQUE

                                                              1. NYchowcook RE: smtucker Aug 22, 2010 10:12 AM

                                                                I want to return to the cotm clan and vote for ARABESQUE 'cause i own it. Eggplant, mmmmm.

                                                                If it wins, we should probably have a link handy to the prior thread.

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                                                                  The Dairy Queen RE: NYchowcook Aug 22, 2010 10:12 AM

                                                                  Welcome home. :).

                                                                  ~TDQ

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                                                                    beetlebug RE: NYchowcook Aug 22, 2010 10:43 AM

                                                                    In the past, if Arabesque wins, we just report directly on the older threads. Makes research (for me) that much easier.

                                                                    Welcome home.

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                                                                      pikawicca RE: NYchowcook Aug 22, 2010 12:22 PM

                                                                      I'm making a Syrian eggplant and lamb dish from TNBoMEF for dinner tonight. It has a yogurt/tahini sauce and pinenuts.

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                                                                        Mistral RE: pikawicca Aug 23, 2010 12:16 AM

                                                                        AD HOC

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                                                                      sir_jiffy RE: smtucker Aug 23, 2010 07:45 AM

                                                                      Long time lurker, first time poster in the thread. Looking to join with
                                                                      AD HOC

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                                                                        cpw RE: smtucker Aug 23, 2010 04:36 PM

                                                                        THE NEW BOOK OF MIDDLE EASTERN FOOD and ARABESQUE
                                                                        I haven't been cooking along (or even reading along), but I am hoping I will be able to do so next month.

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                                                                          oakjoan RE: cpw Aug 23, 2010 06:25 PM

                                                                          THE NEW BOOK and ARABESQUE...even though I don't want either of them. I don't want AD HOC more.

                                                                          Signed, Peevish on the Left Coast.

                                                                          Also, I think we should have a time limit for books that have already been COTM...anybody agree?
                                                                          I mean, not for x years after they're first chosen.

                                                                          Actually, if a huge number of folks want to continue on with a chosen book for an extra month, that should be allowed.

                                                                          1. re: oakjoan
                                                                            Gio RE: oakjoan Aug 23, 2010 06:36 PM

                                                                            OJ..agree! I really just want Roden's new book but the old one came with it. Maybe it's time for a board meeting? LOL

                                                                            Signed: Anticipatory on the Right Coast

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                                                                              The Dairy Queen RE: oakjoan Aug 23, 2010 06:52 PM

                                                                              What about the new book of middle eastern food makes you peevish, OJ? It's a book we've not done before.

                                                                              ~TDQ

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                                                                                Caitlin McGrath RE: oakjoan Aug 23, 2010 08:34 PM

                                                                                If people are interested in doing The New Book of Middle Eastern Food (as I am), it makes perfect sense sense to me to revisit Arabesque, by the same author about the same region. It's not like the choice is between doing a new book and revisiting a book, as a new book is coupled with the revisit. If someone (like Gio) is interested in the new book and not the revisit, it's easy to just not cook from the latter.

                                                                                I don't think anyone should feel compelled to vote if they're not interested in any of the choices. There will surely be months when the nominated books, or the winner, will not appeal to some of us, and while it might not be as much fun to sit a month out for that reason, I feel it's just an inevitable part of this democratic process.

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                                                                                  LulusMom RE: Caitlin McGrath Aug 24, 2010 02:09 AM

                                                                                  What Caitlin said.

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                                                                                    Gio RE: Caitlin McGrath Aug 24, 2010 04:38 AM

                                                                                    <"If someone (like Gio) is interested in the new book and not the revisit, it's easy to just not cook from the latter.">

                                                                                    That's what I'm going to do, Caitlin. I really do prefer cooking from one book at a time. It's less confusing for me and an immersion into the thinking of the author rather than pitting 2 authors against each other.

                                                                                    Echoing TDQ regarding the extended voting thread so folks who haven't voted can place their votes there instead of here:
                                                                                    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7295...

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                                                                                      The Dairy Queen RE: Gio Aug 24, 2010 05:46 AM

                                                                                      Gio, just a small point of clarification, option 1 isn't pitting two authors against each other (the way "Vietnamese" month, "Southern" month, and "Indian" month, were), it's exploring two books from the same author about the same region of the world, more akin to Dunlop month or Italian Easy month. I'm not challenging your preference for one book, but I'm just pointing out that in this case, it's two books, one author.

                                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                                        Gio RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 24, 2010 06:01 AM

                                                                                        Oh I know that's what happening this month TDQ... I was just mentioning my preference for one book. Thanks.

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                                                                                          The Dairy Queen RE: Gio Aug 24, 2010 06:02 AM

                                                                                          Got it!

                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                            Gio RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 24, 2010 06:05 AM

                                                                                            LOL... after re-reading my post I see that I wasn't very clear... I shouldn't post anything before 10:00AM and after 8:00PM.

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                                                                                              The Dairy Queen RE: Gio Aug 24, 2010 06:09 AM

                                                                                              I'm the same way, Gio, I shoudn't ever post before the caffeine takes effect. I completely understand your preference for one book, though. That part was clear!

                                                                                              ~TDQ

                                                                              2. pikawicca RE: smtucker Aug 23, 2010 04:55 PM

                                                                                Not that I think my vote will swing it, but I vote for TNBoMEF

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                                                                                  smtucker RE: smtucker Aug 23, 2010 05:07 PM

                                                                                  WARNING: My internet has been totally wonky today. If the winner isn't announced at midnight, it simply means that I can't get on to count. Your patience will be appreciated.

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                                                                                    Chedder704 RE: smtucker Aug 23, 2010 05:09 PM

                                                                                    AD HOC

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                                                                                      jen kalb RE: Chedder704 Aug 23, 2010 08:13 PM

                                                                                      AD HOC

                                                                                    2. The Dairy Queen RE: smtucker Aug 24, 2010 04:18 AM

                                                                                      I'm just pointing out the thread smtucker has added to extend the voting by one more day through the end of the day Tues the 24th. New votes only, she said. Apparently the votes in this thread were tied! http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/729597

                                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                                        smtucker RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 24, 2010 06:48 AM

                                                                                        Thanks for adding that link DQ. I was exhausted and ready for bed at 12:30 when I was done counting [twice.] Just didn't think to add. ::bowing::

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                                                                                          The Dairy Queen RE: smtucker Aug 24, 2010 06:52 AM

                                                                                          You are welcome. And thank you for organizing. I'll bet it is harder on the organizer when the race is so close!

                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                            JaneEYB RE: smtucker Aug 24, 2010 07:32 AM

                                                                                            Yes, thank you you so much for organizing this - and now a dead heat. Let's hope it doesn't get to the Supreme Court.

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                                                                                              buttertart RE: JaneEYB Aug 24, 2010 07:55 AM

                                                                                              Because then the loser would win...

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                                                                                                smtucker RE: buttertart Aug 25, 2010 05:46 AM

                                                                                                that is hysterical! Thank you for the morning laugh!

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                                                                                                  roxlet RE: buttertart Aug 25, 2010 08:32 AM

                                                                                                  Very funny! But let's send it to the Supreme Court so we can do Ad Hoc!

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                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen RE: roxlet Aug 25, 2010 08:39 AM

                                                                                                    You know, since Ad Hoc is comfort food, I think it would be PERFECT for October. Of course, I don't know how that's going to sit with the groundswell of people who want to cook from Plenty...I own both AHAH and Plenty, so, I would love to do either.

                                                                                                    Also, did we ever resolve the issue about that Wolfert book and whether we want to "prevote" on that?

                                                                                                    ~TDQ

                                                                                                    1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                      rabaja RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 25, 2010 09:35 AM

                                                                                                      I agree that Ad Hoc would be great in the fall.
                                                                                                      Looking at the Roden books I am very excited for this COTM. I just hope I can get them from my library.
                                                                                                      One of the reasons I voted for Ad Hoc was I got it at the right time at my local library. I would like to cook from it once the weather turns.
                                                                                                      Off to put in my requests!
                                                                                                      These two books and the previous posts on them are appetite whetting, and perfect for the last of Summer's bounty.
                                                                                                      Good choice people!

                                                                                          2. pitu RE: smtucker Aug 24, 2010 09:07 AM

                                                                                            buttertart LOL

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                                                                                              buttertart RE: pitu Aug 24, 2010 09:13 AM

                                                                                              I just couldn't resist.

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                                                                                              glacier206 RE: smtucker Aug 25, 2010 05:53 PM

                                                                                              AD HOC

                                                                                              1. Rubee RE: smtucker Aug 25, 2010 06:07 PM

                                                                                                Winner announced:

                                                                                                September 2010 Cookbook of the Month: THE NEW BOOK OF MIDDLE EASTERN FOOD & ARABESQUE
                                                                                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/729856

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