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I hate the new release

Change it back.... my eyes hurt
To be specific I hate the way it looks

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  1. Thus far, I agree. It's much harder to get into My Chow (several clicks) and I did all the story categories go away? I can't figure out how to find stories in anything other than the Top Stories area, which is annoying when you may be looking for a specific story.

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    1. re: queencru

      If you're logged in, you should be able to get to myCHOW from any page by clicking on your username in the top right corner of the page.

      1. re: Jacquilynne

        Are stories no longer put in specific categories?

        1. re: queencru

          The navigation isn't showing up yet, we're still in the middle of the release, so not everything is there yet. But there will be right-side navigation in the top stories section.

          1. re: davina

            It's been two days now and I still don't see any right side navigation- just the scrolling video selection.

            1. re: queencru

              Hi queencru - we are working on getting this fixed as soon as possible, its looking like it should be up on Tuesday.

      2. re: queencru

        Yes the colour scheme is a serious problem..as jacquilynne said your profile is at the top of the page by the contrast is poor and makes it hard to see... the rest of the site just looks like someone made a failed attempt to create a streamlined or modern look

        1. re: kpaxonite

          Everything that you just said, plus the font and individual posts are HUGE compared to the old ones. It looks like an 8th grader made it.

          1. re: jgg13

            hahah I just posted the exact same thing on your post

            1. re: kpaxonite

              Yeah, we used to have color choices b/c we all hated the *last* new release with all this paleness...do we no longer have those? I can't find them.

            2. re: jgg13

              The font just doesn't make sense. I can see the initial post and possibly the first reply before I have to scroll.

              Additionally, I just tried to log in from the laptop and the little pop-up window was just stuck. I had to refresh in order to see that I had logged in.

              1. re: queencru

                Me, too. I am on my laptop and tried to log in about ten times...the log in screen would not go away. I assumed it was frozen and just gave up, but lo and behold, i was somehow logged in and didn't even know it.

                1. re: iluvtennis

                  I got the same thing. Just one "more" bug!!!

                  1. re: boyzoma

                    Can anybody help with my food ????ss.

                    1. re: El Presidente

                      El Pres, this board is about issues with the site itself. You're better off posting on the appropriate board (General Topics, Home Cooking, or your local board) for your questions.

                      1. re: LindaWhit

                        Probably can't find the boards with the current navigation. There is a direct link to site talk at the bottom of the page

                        This should help

                        Help - How Do I Get to the Various Boards Directly Now?
                        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7272...

                        Four days after the release I still can't find my way around and have to stop and think how to get to Chowhound or boards I don't usually visit.

                        1. re: rworange

                          I've just bookmarked My Chow in my browser so I land there at first click. :-)

                  2. re: iluvtennis

                    Ditto. Clicking the OK button or whatever it was didn't do diddly-squat. So I clicked the X to close out of the window (which in and of itself, took about 10 seconds for it to actually happen) and surprise, surprise, surprise! I was logged in.

                  3. re: queencru

                    Had the same thing happen to me, as well.

                  4. re: jgg13

                    I think the new target audience for chowhound is the blind. That font size is ridiculous.

                  5. re: kpaxonite

                    Agree on the contrast - the faintness of your profile name in the upper right on the deep red is barely visible. BOLD it, or make it larger - or even better - do BOTH.

                      1. re: kpaxonite

                        Whatever it is, it needs to STAND OUT.

                        And I agree with those that say you shouldn't have to click your Profile name to be able to get to MyCHOW. It should be right there next to "TAKE ME TO CHOW" or "TAKE ME TO CHOWHOUND" depending on which part of the site you're one. There was a simple one-click way to get to MyCHOW before - why make it THREE clicks?

                        1. re: LindaWhit

                          How is it three clicks? Your name is always there in the upper right corner of every page (just as it has always been), and if you click on it, it takes you straight to MYCHOW (just as it always has). One click, from any page to MYCHOW.

                          1. re: Caitlin McGrath

                            It's getting back that's the problem. Once you're in my chow (or some else's profile page) the boards display disappears. Unless that person has a comment on a thread listed right there of the board you want to return to, you can't. You have to click to "take me to chowhound" and then click to the board you want.

                            1. re: LNG212

                              Sorry Caitlin - that's what I meant. It's no longer easy to get BACK to MyCHOW once you've clicked on a thread or someone else's profile.

                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                Oh, okay. Yeah, navigating to boards from MYCHOW (or rather, not being able to) is my big issue right now. Right PITA. Getting to, or back to, MYCHOW, not a problem; getting from MYCHOW, different story.

                                1. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                  Caitlin, I've just been clicking on any of my most recent posts to get back to Chowhound from My Chow. Seems a really juvenile thing to have to do, though.

                                  ETA: And to get to My Chow I click on my name in a recent post on the boards. Can't see my name on top/upper right. Too light.

                              2. re: LNG212

                                This is a workaround, not a solution, but from My Chow, I click on a board name under one of my posts to go directly to that board. It's what I do on iPad, which doesn't do pull-downs, 'cause it is too fancy, or something (and not a very good machine).

                              3. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                It takes much longer to get out though- you have to go to chowhound, then click the board you want, instead of being able to go to the board you want directly from My Chow. If you don't have the board saved, it may even take longer since you can't see all the boards initially.

                    1. It seems preety bad so far

                      1. I'm on board with the "I hate the new look" contingent. The colors, the size, the empty space are all suitable for third grade.

                        I haven't explored all the new features yet. But thus far the "saved boards" is not working as it should (or if this is the way it should then it sucks too). But I'll reserve judgement on the features until I've explored further.

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                        1. re: LNG212

                          Can you provide more detail on what you're seeing vs. what you were expecting with regard to Saved Boards?

                          1. re: Jacquilynne

                            The biggest problem is that they all stay in a single stack so once you've saved more than a few they end up taking up an inordinate amount of vertical space on the screen. It would be much more efficient to distribute them in columns as the "All Boards" (or "Choose a Board" as it's now called) does.

                            1. re: BobB

                              Also - I just noticed that there is now no access to boards directly from My Chow. The top of that page would be an ideal place to display My Boards - spread across the page in columns, of course. ;-)

                              1. re: BobB

                                I agree, that would be an improvement in the design. It sounded like the feature itself wasn't working -- perhaps not adding boards -- for LNG212, though, so I wanted to check if there was a larger problem some people were experiencing.

                                1. re: Jacquilynne

                                  Twice now I've not seen what you wrote. Both times your posts have been collapsed as though I've read them when I haven't. Is there some technical problem with the new system as well?

                                2. re: BobB

                                  Hi BobB - the single stacking of saved boards is a bug. This should be fixed in the next couple days so that the boards compile from left to right first then open a new row.

                                    1. re: lainiecosgrove

                                      Good to hear, thanks. What about putting Saved Boards at the top of My Chow? Other than the spacing/font sizing changes, that seems to be the biggest and most widely-echoed complaint today - there's now no access directly to a Chowhound board from My Chow, as there used to be.

                                      1. re: BobB

                                        Not just saved boards, but the whole board menu, so you can get anywhere on Chowhound from your (or anyone's) profile page, is needed. I don't care that they wanted to uncouple Chow and Chowhound generally, but it makes no sense to uncouple the profile pages from Chowhound.

                                        1. re: BobB

                                          Hi BobB - thanks for the feedback, this is a great idea. We are working on displaying the header/navigation dependant on where the user came from. We hope to have this solved by the middle of next week. Again thanks for the feedback - keep it coming!

                                        2. re: lainiecosgrove

                                          That is good to know. Thanks. Are you one of the chow tech people? If so, I'll reiterate what I said above to Jacquilynne. When I opened this thread your post was collapsed as though I had read it. I had not. This is a real problem.

                                          1. re: LNG212

                                            I've been saying that in other threads as well, LNG. Your post immediately below in reply to ChowHQ was also collapsed - and I know I haven't read it yet.

                                            MAJOR bugaboo!

                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                              I can deal with the bugs because I know *those* will get fixed. Tthe design issues are what I perceive to be the big problem here. Because those? Probably not on the top of the "Things To Sort Out Now That We've Rolled Out THe Redesign" list.

                                      2. re: Jacquilynne

                                        jacquilynne, I've posted what I am seeing on the original thread about the release. Others are getting what I'm getting too.

                                        --the "saved" list puts all the board names in one single *very* long column
                                        --this long column now over-writes the header ("site talk" for example) and the original post paragraph of whatever page I am on
                                        --the "edit" feature allows one to add or delete. that's it. seriously? why can't I put the saved boards in the order I want them. or in columns. or whatever.

                                        1. re: LNG212

                                          Hi LGN212 -

                                          --The saved list putting the board names into one single long column is a bug that we are working on fixing along with the fact that it overwrites the header.
                                          --the edit feature should allow you to remove multiple at a time. However we are working on functionality to allow the user to rank them in any order they want. It didn't make this release but will be coming in the following couple weeks.

                                          Thanks for alerting us about these bugs.

                                          1. re: CHOW HQ

                                            Perhaps you haven't seen the bug I've posted twice now -- I keep missing posts because they are collapsed when I have NOT read them. I almost missed your post here because it was COLLAPSED already. What is going on that this keeps happening?

                                            1. re: CHOW HQ

                                              If I click to get into the EDIT BOARDS feature, how do I get out of it, so it gives me back the list of saved boards on which I can click to get to them?

                                      3. The new layout is dreadful and it seems like every CBS affiliated site has gone to this horrid scheme. Please change it back.

                                        1. And just to add -- I hate that the Manifesto has taken another hit in prominence. I couldn't even find it!! Or the FAQ either. Putting it in teensy tiny lettering at the very bottom is really kinda sad given that the "Manifesto" is supposed to articulate what Chowhound is all about.

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                                          1. re: LNG212

                                            Hmmm .. I still have a screen that I haven't closed from early this morning on my computer prior to the new release. The manifesto seems to be exactly where it was prior to the changes. Took a quick look at the manifesto itself and it seems to have changed again since I read it a few months ago, but don't remember and if it has changed, I doubt it is release specific.

                                            1. re: rworange

                                              If I recall correctly, when you moused over the "phantom" boards menu, the FAQ and Chowhound Manifesto links appeared along with all the other board names. So basically they were there in front of you whenever you were going to click on another board. Now they are not there in the boards menu at all. The only place they appear is the tiny little writing on the very bottom of the page.

                                              I think that's the difference from the old to the new. Though you are probably correct that the FAQ and Manifesto *also* appeared at the bottom of the page in the old version.

                                          2. While it's going to take some time to adjust to the new settings, I did notice that it's much harder to navigate from the profile page back to the boards. If I want to navigate from my profile to the France board, I would have to click on "Take me to Chowhound" and then select the France board from the pull-down menu (or my saved boards if I have this saved, which I don't). From one mouse click, it's turned into navigating 3 pages. This seems like a step backwards from a usability standpoint.

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                                            1. re: E Eto

                                              That was what I was trying to say in my initial post. Yes, you can go to My Chow by clicking your profile, but it takes quite a while to get from there to the other boards.

                                              1. re: queencru

                                                Problems, resolution, contrast of colors, and lack of compactness in individual posts, too much border, crappy font.

                                              2. re: E Eto

                                                This is my issue. The profile pages are under the Chow banner, which has now been separated from Chowhound, meaning that there is no easy access to any boards (unless it's a board one of the posts in My Recent Posts is on, so I can click through via the red link below the thread title). This is a huge step back in usability, not having access to the board menu or even saved boards from the profile page, and needs to be rectified ASAP.

                                                1. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                                  That, in a nutshell, is what I see as a MAJOR problem. If you want MY POSTS, you get sent over to CHOW. The only way to see other boards is to then go back to CHOWHOUND. Am I missing something here? That just makes no sense at all. What possible reason could there have been to set things up that way?

                                                  1. re: JoanN

                                                    It does seem to create a greater separation between Chow and Chowhound than used to exist - and also assumes that we're all primarily Chow readers, not Chowhound readers, which is not remotely true.

                                                  2. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                                    So, this is till my one complaint - not being able to access boards menus from the profile page - but I wanted to mention how I get TO my profile page, since that is an issue for some. I do it the same way I had been before the release, which is via a bookmark (I have a folder for Chowhound with bookmarks for various pages). This obviates the need to scroll up the page at all and the problem of sighting the low-contrast user name.

                                                2. The FoNt Size Is ReaLly HaRD to FOllOw. Some ARe Big aNd some Are SmAlL

                                                  - Why is the font on the OP smaller than the rest of the posts.
                                                  - It appears that the programmer are paid on how much background you see versus words
                                                  - why the focussing an emphasis on change of day since this only relates to one time zone in the world.
                                                  - why do you have the "NEW" icon next to the permalink in lower right. absolutely redundant. if it is open it is new if it is closed it is old
                                                  - In "stories" below "Quinine Your (Ap%^tif) Wine. Middle of word took on Asian letter

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                                                  1. re: jfood

                                                    And speaking of which, it still annoys me, as it has from the very earliest CNET days, that our names on our profile page are in small caps so that I am forever JOANN on on this site. I was told years ago that the designers hadn't considered that initially. I can only presume they've had plenty of time to consider it and just don't care.

                                                    1. re: jfood

                                                      Haha, jfood you noticed thew "New" indicator, which should be a feature but is useless. On other message boards I use, "New" is in text, so if I search the page for "New" in a long thread, I can jump to new posts. This version is a graphic, so it isn't searchable.

                                                      Add me to the list of people who think the layout is harder to read, with too much blank white space that makes it hard to see several posts on the same page. I can't imagine how the site looks on a mobile phone or iPad now--it used to be just barely usable if I needed to look something up on the go.

                                                    2. Were there any long-time users who were allowed to beta-test this product? I cannot believe that long-time Chowhounders would have said this version was even remotely good.

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                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                        Linda Exactly what I was thinking!!!! This happened the last time they made "new, exciting, great !!" changes.
                                                        I guess it is true; those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it!

                                                        And Beta testing works so well, reducing bugs before releases etc. Costs are lower too.

                                                        1. re: Quine

                                                          jfood was a beta tester 2 releases ago and his first feedback was DO NOT RELEASE THIS yet. If this version received beta-tester approval then enough said. The stuff caught so far is simple to see on a Beta. Bad job.

                                                          1. re: jfood

                                                            If this version received approval during a beta, then the testers need to be replaced.

                                                      2. Well my user name is such a very light pink against a very white background I really can't see it and I wear reading glasses. Next comes the issue of a very light grey font and small size.
                                                        I do not like. At all. . This is a HUGE mistake.

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                                                        1. re: Gio

                                                          IF IT AIN'T BROKE..................................................

                                                          1. re: ospreycove

                                                            Not an argument that Chow techs have much regard for. See this thread...http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/700441

                                                          2. re: Gio

                                                            Just a note on the size font - hold down the CTRL key and scroll up one click on your mousie's roller button and you can resize it to a reasonable readability.

                                                            But I agree on the light gray font color (WHY are more websites doing this?).

                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                              I don't know why it's a current trend, but original browsers (before you could set background color & such) always used light grey because it provided the best general contrast.

                                                              1. re: jgg13

                                                                Light grey font against a white background provides MORE contrast than a darker gray font or black? I can't see how that's possible.

                                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                  Well, that's the story I was told back then, who knows. Text was always black, so white background would make sense - however you could have images inlined on a page as well and there might be white on the borders of the image. Something like that.

                                                                  1. re: jgg13

                                                                    Very interesting, I didn't even SEE your response, jgg. It was closed when I came back to read other new posts and realized there might be a new post in response to my post.

                                                                    MAJOR issue, CHOW Techies. I've noted that several others have said the same thing to Jacquilynne - didn't see that she had responded to them because the post was closed, even though it should have had the NEW! Radio button next to it.

                                                                    (GOD I hate that the reply box font size is so much smaller than what the actual post will look like!)

                                                              2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                Osprey: Just what I thought when I first opened the site a few minutes ago.

                                                                Thanks Linda. I did click up a notch. This is the worst possible font. I'm getting a headache trying to see what I'm typing. And as Shanagain says below we didn't even get basic html.,
                                                                Bah Humbug. Coming here ought to be a pleasure, not a problem...!

                                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                  That doesn't work, though, because the font size for the board list and other things are normal, so when I tried decreasing the font size it made it great for inside a thread, but then when I went back to a board list or My Chow it was tiny. I don't want to have to constantly switch back and forth.

                                                                  1. re: JasmineG

                                                                    I'm not sure what you mean by the board list then gets tiny.

                                                                    However, the fact that your post wasn't OPEN to be a new post for me to read IS a big issue, as I said to jgg just above this thread.

                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                      I mean that if I change the font size inside a thread to be smaller, it's not a good workaround, because the board list is a normal sized font, so if I go back to the board list the font size is tiny. However, given the responses by Chow HQ on this, it's something that they're working on, thank goodness.

                                                                      1. re: JasmineG

                                                                        Just saw your response. Yes, I'm glad that they're looking into the font issues.

                                                                        And I wonder if a new thread should be opened up about NEW posts not showing up and being closed, despite not having been read? Because yet again, that happened. I've been in this thread several times in the last 10 minutes - and your post was either not there, or closed. I only opened it because I knew I had responded to you re: the font size issue, and saw you had responded.

                                                              3. I'm not seeing how to access the advanced search options on the search function now. Is one still able to search by title, user, etc.?

                                                                Thanks.

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                                                                1. re: MMRuth

                                                                  Yes -- you can drop down the advanced search options using the expand collapse buttons up on the right hand side. If you're searching the boards, then the username option will appear.

                                                                  1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                    Maybe 'view' isn't the best word. I had the same problem finding advanced search and just happened to be playing with the new links and buttons and up came the advanced search option.

                                                                    Maybe replacing the word 'view' with a toggle between the words 'expand' and 'collapse'

                                                                    From my limited look at the site this seems to have different functionality on where you are. On a board it toggles from collapsing and expanding saved boards. In search it opens and closes advanced search. So I kind of understand the generic label, but it is confusing.

                                                                    The words 'advanced search' seem to be pretty standard throughout most websites.

                                                                    On those that do something else, I find it annoying to have to try to fingure it out. Some sites I just abandon because I can't find the feature.

                                                                    Though it may be redundant, maybe having an explicit 'advanced search' link on the search page would make search easier to use for most.

                                                                    1. re: rworange

                                                                      Ugh, really? That's a major user interface no-no. If the web site has bars and headers with consistent layout, they should do consistent things. Context-dependent menus on web sites are very confusing.

                                                                      1. re: SteveG

                                                                        >>> . Context-dependent menus on web sites are very confusing.

                                                                        Unlike this.

                                                                        I am more than aware of design philosopy and the latest trends. Some don't work and make things less user friendly.

                                                                        I really wonder how many people are going to instinctively catch on to what 'view' means or know how to find advanced search.

                                                                        No one is going to make changes here according to my specs. It was just a post to say it took me quite a while to figure out and I'm web savy.

                                                                    2. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                      Request:

                                                                      1) Move the 'view' toggle to the left hand side. I didn't see it at first cus it was off my page.

                                                                      2) A toggle or switch should look like one. Yours looks like two independent switches that just happen on this occasion to do the same thing.

                                                                      I had the pleasure and privilege of working with one of the best system designers, Richard D. He was explaining the concept of intuitive controls, ones that you know how to use automatically and what they do. He then said that they are only intuitive because you have seen them before in other systems. As he moved to the the next slide he said "There is only one intuitive control..."

                                                                      There was a picture of a breast.

                                                                      "After that, they are all learned".

                                                                      1. re: Paulustrious

                                                                        I have to agree with that 'view' tab moving to the left. It is always off my screen.

                                                                        It would also be nice to reduce the tab size of "choose a board" and "show saved boards" . They take up too much room and I'm getting tired of scrolling past them all the time. With the view button to the left, these tabs would make more sense. I have to think people don't know how to collapse the tabs once they click on them. It took me quite a while to figure that out.

                                                                        It would also be nice to have the link to Chow or Chowhound to the left. That also needs to be in a more consistant place on all screens. I'll put my comments in the search thread, but it is often not possible to get from Chow to Chowhound or visa versa from search.

                                                                        1. re: rworange

                                                                          One more "would be nice..." if the Saved Boards showed up on your profile page.

                                                                  2. We'll all eventually figure it out but the fonts are seriously LULZY. Lots of different fonts, some titles in ALL CAPS, some very very tiny font, some *ITALICIZED* for excitement! I hope this is a work in progress.

                                                                    1. This is such a silly thing to hate, but I really hate not having a container box of some sort around the posts - the staggered look w/out a table/container/placeholder is hard on my eyes, which are 20/20.

                                                                      (ETA: Other than just the darker gray that's around each individual comment. Somehow my eye needs a line around the entire conversation, not just the individual replies.)

                                                                      Also, it makes everything look rather.. floaty. The "most popular" to the side at least need a container of some sort.

                                                                      Additionally, you're really going to roll out these changes and <i>still</i> deny us the use of at least basic html tags? I mean, even free proboards have [b]this kind[/b] of limited markup available.

                                                                      In short, it's just really ugly on both the design and the GUI front.

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                                                                      1. re: shanagain

                                                                        This was precisely my thought! That it lacked a sufficient 'break' b/w text and background. It's extremely disorienting. In a certain way, I feel like I am trying to read one of those silly, handwritten college blue books. No structure, just lots of random writing.

                                                                      2. I also notice that when I click on US "see all boards" that the right column falls almost completely out of the window which makes it unreadable as the text overlaps on the back page. I'm not really liking this yet.

                                                                        1. This was not a good idea!

                                                                            1. re: southernitalian

                                                                              Oh, it's there, southernitalian - along with the Midwest. Unfortunately, the "box" around the list of boards doesn't go over far enough. See the picture I've attached.

                                                                              This definitely needs to be fixed, CH Techies.

                                                                               
                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                No, that seems to be a repeat of the southwest boards.

                                                                                1. re: OCEllen

                                                                                  Yeah, I realized that after LNG pointed it out in another thread. ::::Sigh:::::

                                                                              1. Horrible absolutely horrible please change it back. Thanks LNG

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                                                                                1. re: chowdom

                                                                                  I would say it's a safe bet that they're NOT going to change it back. Hopefully we can get fixes that will improve the "negative improvements" they've attempted to make - but they won't change it back.

                                                                                2. Just noticed that in posts with images if you click to see the image large (if there are multiple images) the other images are stacked vertically one on top of the other meaning you have to scroll down to select the next image you wish to view if there are more than two or three images..lame

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                                                                                  1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                    HAAAAAAAAAAAATE IT!!!!!!!
                                                                                    I've been thinking that I need to reduce my time spent on Chow. This change will allow me to do that quite easily. I've only been on for a few minutes and already my eyes hurt. And where do I find my fav list, etc.?

                                                                                  2. Add more:

                                                                                    - Tab on top says "HOOSE A BOAR"; barely see the beginning "C" and the ending "D"
                                                                                    - next to the board name is the orange "save this board" - then there is a shadow in gray just below it in grayscale
                                                                                    - when you look at "See all Boards" under United States noone instituted the wrap-text feature so the long names in one column overwrite the names in the column to the right; Likewise Washing & Baltimore Are" should be "Area"
                                                                                    -Did you guys hire Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee as programmers. The entire Confederacy has succeeded from the US? Man, miss one day of the WSJ and the world changes.

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                                                                                    1. re: jfood

                                                                                      The C and D show up perfectly for me

                                                                                      1. re: jfood

                                                                                        In all fairness, I appreciate the invitation to HOOSE A BOAR.

                                                                                        Otherwise all I care about is COLOR SCHEME! I can live with anything so long as I can choose something besides this. Ugh.

                                                                                        1. re: tatamagouche

                                                                                          jfood was not going there on any "boar" related sub-threads. The Mods would have a field day if that got started.

                                                                                          1. re: tatamagouche

                                                                                            Didn't we go through this color scheme issue when CH was taken over a long time ago? This white/gray/maroon color scheme wasn't appreciated then - specifically because of readability issues.

                                                                                            And yet they bring it back.

                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                              EXACTLY...the old red/black versus grey/white battles...oh how Darwin would be proud of Chowhounds advancement

                                                                                              1. re: jfood

                                                                                                You will probably both appreciate this - the first thing I did when confronted with this change was look for a series of buttons which would allow me to toggle different themes on or off to my liking. (Remember that? Brilliant!)

                                                                                                1. re: shanagain

                                                                                                  Yep, I've already looked for the option to get my maroon background back and can't find it.

                                                                                                  Gray is not an appetizing color. That's why kitchens aren't generally gray. Seriously.

                                                                                                  1. re: tatamagouche

                                                                                                    I'd be fine going back to the cream-colored background. But I'm OK with the gray. I just don't like the WHITE! background at MyCHOW or when you're on a main board.

                                                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                      Ironically, I think the front Chow page is quite attractive. (That slideshow is making me "seasick," though, which is weird.)

                                                                                                      It makes me, as a chowHOUND, feel rather like this site is even more of an also-ran than it used to be.

                                                                                                      Powers that be - you realize we bring page-hits to the site, yes? WE are your demographic, not just some chatty cathy stepchild?

                                                                                                    2. re: tatamagouche

                                                                                                      It's curious some folks are seeing grey. All I see is a white background behind everything with just a light grey border around each post.

                                                                                                      1. re: Gio

                                                                                                        All of the space to the left and right of this thread - you're seeing white, Gio? I've attached a screen shot of what I'm seeing as I was typing this post...is this not what you see? The white text box, surrounded by darker gray border, with light gray to the left and right?

                                                                                                         
                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                          I see what Linda sees, and feel it REALLY needs a containing box. When you scroll quickly down the page to get to new comments it's very - as I mentioned before, "floaty" - and a little too dizzying.

                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                            <"All of the space to the left and right of this thread - you're seeing white, Gio?">

                                                                                                            Yes, Linda. Left and right of the entire thread is white with a grey border only around the reply box (container?).

                                                                                                            1. re: Gio

                                                                                                              There's a soft, dusty rose color left and right on my screen.

                                                                                                              That's the good news. The bad is that the space to the left and the right of the posts is huge. Maybe the designers should consider stacking the convoluted footer stuff parallel to the vertical borders as opposed to taking up valuable real estate at the bottom of the page.

                                                                                                              just my $0.02.

                                                                                                              1. re: Gio

                                                                                                                Ugh. Now THAT I would hate. It's like that for me on the main board links and at MyCHOW. But not within a thread.

                                                                                                            2. re: Gio

                                                                                                              Way back, when many of us couldn't stand whatever color combination was then being thrust upon us, people were posting workarounds for various browsers. Firefox, for instance, has an add-on called Stylish that allows you to change the look--and the color--of Web pages. I set up CH at that time to show me a grey rather than a white or beige background. I suspect that other people may have played around with restyling their pages at that time and are seeing, as am I, the results here.

                                                                                                              1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                I've switched to Chrome since the last Big Switch, and use default pages & styles, meaning I see what the designer's style sheet tells my computer to produce. (Come to think of it, I've switched computers as well.)

                                                                                                                So, I'm seeing white/grey/darker grey on Chrome. Maybe it renders differently in other browsers and depending upon user settings. Having said that, I'd still expect it to look somewhat like the Chow page, though - with a white content box with whatever content inside (in this case, the discussion at hand) with clearly defined borders.

                                                                                                2. The site now makes me nauseated.

                                                                                                  1. And why is the name of the board more important than the subject matter when you are on MyChow. The font size and the red letters draw your eyes there instead of the topic.

                                                                                                    1. Why does the top banner say CHOW and there is a radio button "take me to Chowhound" when you are ALREADY IN chowhound. Then you go back and it changes back. OMG did you guys BETA test this at all?

                                                                                                      NO no here's the answer. When you are on "My Recent Posts" you are in CHOW and when you are on the Boards youare in Chowhound. OMG

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                                                                                                      1. re: jfood

                                                                                                        What page are you on when you're seeing that? (Your mychow profile is actually on CHOW.com, if that's where you're seeing it.)

                                                                                                        1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                          Click on "Jacquilynne (view profile)" in the upper right and you go to My recent posts"; Banner = CHOW; Click on any of the Board and the Banner = CHOWHOUND.

                                                                                                          If that is the design then that is a different discussion

                                                                                                          1. re: jfood

                                                                                                            That has always been the case, i.e., the profile pages were always under the Chow banner - it just wasn't a problem, because you could access Chowhound boards via the shared menu at the top, which they've removed.

                                                                                                            1. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                                                                                              Thanks CM...

                                                                                                              Jfood will continue his defaults as follows:

                                                                                                              1 - Search - go to www.google.com and type chowhound <firstsearchword> <secondsearchword>
                                                                                                              2 - Navigate amongst Boards - He placed his go-to boards in his "Favorites" in Explorer.

                                                                                                              This "improvement" is NOT.

                                                                                                        2. Oh I get it, reading advertisements will be more user friendly!

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                                                                                                          1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                            Lol...i do have a HUGE blank gray space to the right of this thread. This really is ridiculous. I know a lot of people just like to complain when there's change, and they don't want to give it a chance, but i just cannot see how this has improved anything at all...or what the point was behind this except for maybe what you said. Maybe i'll get used to it, but if you keep it like this for months and change it back to the old way, i guarantee you i will not miss this format at all, ever!

                                                                                                          2. White space around collapsed (already read) replies is HUGE.

                                                                                                            1. It would also be great if we could move windows. Such as doing a view all board list and move the window somewhere else.

                                                                                                              1. Good Lord, what in the world happened? The Southeast has disappeared, I cant access the list of boards other that the ones I have managed to save...this site is useless if it's going to be this much work to use. PLEASE go back to the previous format!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                                                                                                                  1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                    You just posted a link to this same thread. Was this intentional, or is this another glitch?

                                                                                                                    1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                      No. As others have pointed out, South WEST is listed twice and South EAST has apparently seceded. :(

                                                                                                                    2. re: Fydeaux

                                                                                                                      Jfood bought some Gulf Coast property in Georgetown last week...Yippee!!!

                                                                                                                    3. Add..no separation from the Sticky Posts to the in-play posts

                                                                                                                      1. Do your programmers have day jobs at Yelp? Are they deliberately trying to drive us away?

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                                                                                                                        1. re: PattiCakes

                                                                                                                          Don't blame the programmers - they just do what the "designers" tell them to do.

                                                                                                                          1. re: menuinprogress

                                                                                                                            I wonder where the designers learned to design...

                                                                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                I doubt it... then they would be familiar with what a website looks like

                                                                                                                        2. Do you need some help with this site? I'm looking for a job and could probably make some of these improvements for you (I'm not a programmer, but could probably figure it out!). Just let me know. It couldn't be worse than the current format.

                                                                                                                          1. This is very bad. I cannot stand this.

                                                                                                                            1. Wow, people start yelling pretty quick. To be fair, I think the South containing Miami/Ft. Lauderdale has completely disappeared and been replaced by two Southwests

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                                                                                                                              1. re: Icantread

                                                                                                                                It's true, Chowhounds are a vocal/opinionated bunch, and any changes to our beloved site rarely go down well. But in this case, given that they're making some of the *exact* same changes we yelled about before (e.g. terrible color scheme), I think the chorus is warranted.

                                                                                                                                1. re: tatamagouche

                                                                                                                                  Ok, still staring at black type on white on gray on gray. That's 2 releases now. Who has such a hard on for shades of gray?! Why would people obsessed with food want shades of only one eye-straining color on their monitors?

                                                                                                                              2. Why are "Recipes, Discussions, Stories, Videos" consuming so much valuable real estate at the bottom of the page?

                                                                                                                                Shouldn't the CBS "about" stuff at the very bottom be collapsed/condensed?

                                                                                                                                Neither of these two footers are revenue producers.

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                                                                                                                                1. re: steve h.

                                                                                                                                  Nor did they check to see if the font they used supported e-egu, and they placed the Manifesto between Guidelines and FAQ...gives you an idea of their POV and "visit other CBS sites in the lower left is dark grey on red and totally unreadable. Did they have a graphic artist at all on site when these decisions were made.

                                                                                                                                2. I have the window as big as I can get on my MacBook and I still have to scroll back and forth to see the whole thing. Must have been designed on a desktop. Trouble is, most people have laptops.

                                                                                                                                  1. I hate it when people don't even try a product before they start hating it. It has been less than two hours that the new format is up. From what I can see in such a small period of time are very small format changes that make the boards look a little more up to date and on the plus side the search engine, a real flaw of the old format, is returning much more accurate results.

                                                                                                                                    This is a good thing.

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                                                                                                                                    1. re: sekelmaan

                                                                                                                                      "I hate it when people don't even try a product before they start hating it"

                                                                                                                                      Every post above is a result of people using the new site.

                                                                                                                                      Jfood just started a new thread so people can place positive feedback on.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: sekelmaan

                                                                                                                                        Disruption requires a purpose. Goals need to be clearly stated.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: sekelmaan

                                                                                                                                          I think most people who dislike the board have tried it and we're pointing out what we dislike as we use the site.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: sekelmaan

                                                                                                                                            "I hate it when people don't even try a product before they start hating it"
                                                                                                                                            ~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                                            That's funny. I thought my posts about issues with the new design were a direct result of actually USING the site. I stand corrected.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                              Two hours of use is not enough time to evaluate a new product. This thread is a typical response of the type of people who always "hate" something new. I say give it a week. Then post, with the exception of bug reports.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: sekelmaan

                                                                                                                                                jfood was blessed with the ability to see glaring errors in under a week. You like it, that's cool, but many of us have seen this movie before and glaring mistakes do not need a week to see, post and hopefully fix before the traffic decreases.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: sekelmaan

                                                                                                                                                  I see your point on some things - maybe we'll get used to the new mix of font sizes and colors, maybe not - but it's plenty of time to determine that something like taking away the list of boards from the top of the "My Chow" page, so that there is no longer direct access to Chowhound boards from what most of us consider our "start" page, is a major step in the wrong direction.

                                                                                                                                                  One ongoing theme that I've noticed whenever they make changes to Chowhound lately is that they almost always involve making the user click multiple times to get what used to take just one click. For example, they recently changed the behavior of the Story pages. You used to be able to go to a story and read it, along with all the responses to it, in one place. Now you have the story and the last three replies on one page, and each set of ten replies on a different page. Before, I could just scroll down however many replies there were - now I have to click multiple times and wait for multiple page loads to get the same info - and there isn't even an option to "Show All" (well, there is a button that says that, but all it does is show you the next ten). You can't even see the original story next to the replies, except for that one page that shows the last three.

                                                                                                                                                  EXTREMELY counterproductive, and a classic example of misguided site designers adding a "feature" just because their new software tool kit enables it.

                                                                                                                                                  How can this in ANY way be considered progress?

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: BobB

                                                                                                                                                    Well, is that even a feature, or is it to get more page clicks? That's what I assumed.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: BobB

                                                                                                                                                      if you click on your name in the topright it goes to where mychow went before

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: thew

                                                                                                                                                        I know that, but it's not what I was writing about. It was the question of how to get FROM Mychow TO the various boards. Which one of the mods told me above is in the works.

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: sekelmaan

                                                                                                                                                      Did you even read any of the replies here? Because of people posting here there are a number of bug reports out. A number. Meaning stuff that shouldn't have happened or happened incorrectly. All because of feedback from users posting here.

                                                                                                                                                      And, yes, finding a color scheme difficult to read isn't something that one needs to "give it a week" to figure out.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: sekelmaan

                                                                                                                                                        sekelmaan, the issues being reported are MAJOR bugs. Things no longer working when they worked this morning under the old version of the site. Please don't tell me 2 hours isn't enough to figure out that the site isn't working the way it should. Because it's not working the way it should.

                                                                                                                                                        This is a BTDT situation - long-time posters have been through this situation at least 3 times since CH was bought out by CNET. You've been here what...a year? If you like it, fine. Post away on whatever board you usually post on.

                                                                                                                                                        But there are many other long-time users who've dealt with these exact same issues in the past. So posts will continue about bugs that make the site less usable. Sorry if that's not to your liking. But the majority of these posts are not bitching because we don't like the changes. We're bitching because the changes make the site less usable.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                            +1. As I noted above, we had this very color scheme before, and we all complained, and they thankfully gave us other options, and now we've got the bad scheme back, and no options for changing it that I can find.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                              I have been here three years and have tolerated the archaic boards due to the generally excellent content. This board's functionality has received a long needed face lift, aesthetically and technically. It is about time that the search field returned the words that you searched, that the indentation on replied-to threads indented correctly, etc. I have been using the internet since a bulletin board was a dial-up session. Luckily though we have made enough changes to the internet that the web can be used and we can have colors and frames and pretty fonts and technically challenged people can easily share their opinions. Thank jebus for change!

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: sekelmaan

                                                                                                                                                                Some of us still prefer text based usenet readers and email clients, ya know ;)

                                                                                                                                                                And BTW, generally frames are considered bad design these days.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: jgg13

                                                                                                                                                                  Hehe. My bad. I am in data center design, not web site design.

                                                                                                                                                                2. re: sekelmaan

                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks jebus for contrary opinions, too, which is what Chowhound's all about. No doubt some of the new changes *are* good. Not trying to beat up on you here. But clearly, many changes are already disliked by a vast majority of people. The point is to fix what's broken and not what ain't.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: sekelmaan

                                                                                                                                                                    "his board's functionality has received a long needed face lift, aesthetically"

                                                                                                                                                                    Yet again, as someone said earlier - In your opinion. Aesthetically, it's not better. It's worse...in MY opinion. The functionality as it stands RIGHT NOW is not better. It's worse. You seem to be the only one in this thread that is enamoured of these changes and functionality that doesn't work. Interesting.

                                                                                                                                                                    Your "more up-to-date" comment from a color standpoint is something my company used almost 10 years ago for their website. It was ugly then; it's ugly now. And frames in websites aren't a good thing from a design viewpoint either.

                                                                                                                                                                    So this "technically challenged" reader of Chowhound disagrees with you. Despite the fact that I'm not technically challenged, as much as you might insinuate. Just because I disagree with you doesn't make me technically challenged.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                        Exactly! It is like the entire site has been taken over by Microsoft - and their idea of "improvements." And any complaint means you are wrong, not them.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: scoopG

                                                                                                                                                                          I have to completely disagree with you. Microsoft are one of the most pro-active companies I know in terms of dealing with problems with their software. Granted I only deal with certain elements - mainly to do with software development. But their forums, their active response to constructive complaints, their ability to take onboard suggestions and their immediate and complete involvement with problems has to be respected.

                                                                                                                                                                          If you start from here and dig down you will see that your remarks are completely unjustified.

                                                                                                                                                                          http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/aa570...

                                                                                                                                                                          Every single bug, complaint, suggestion or remark I have put in the appropriate Microsoft bug reporting system has been logged, registered, analysed and responded to. Not always to my satisfaction but, in general, pretty damn good.

                                                                                                                                                                          All-in-all that is a most remarkable facility, better than I have seen anywhere.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Paulustrious

                                                                                                                                                                            I switched to Apple some time ago and have no complaints.

                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: sekelmaan

                                                                                                                                                                        sekelmaanm you may have been around since dial up BB m and are in love with colors. I have also been here at CH for 4 years or more and was the Cooking Moderator for Byte BB CBIX, yes, started the cooking section.
                                                                                                                                                                        I've been through a few of these "wow gee ain't these nifty" changes that the codes boy with new software toy have made here. And you know, the changes are not all good. CH last week was not had at all to use, so your :technically challenged people" were posting away.
                                                                                                                                                                        Right now I am looking at a tiny font cramped into a tiny space as I type, under over an inch of floating white space border, inside that box floating in 5 inches suspended in blue-grey web air. A waste! The already posted reply above mine is a different size fone and has different space and white. !!!

                                                                                                                                                                        Ugh!
                                                                                                                                                                        Thank goodness for change and the smarts to know bad changes and the wisdom to know when to change BACK.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Quine

                                                                                                                                                                          As a developer I sit here staring at three 27 inch monitors. I don't have that much of a problem. I suspect others on a laptop would have a different view - in both senses.

                                                                                                                                                                          Paul: Fido Sysop 2:250/1000, 2:250/218 (approx 1989-1993)

                                                                                                                                                                          Original config:
                                                                                                                                                                          Intel 386-33,
                                                                                                                                                                          4Mb memory,
                                                                                                                                                                          2 * 127mb disks,
                                                                                                                                                                          CD
                                                                                                                                                                          = about $8000

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: sekelmaan

                                                                                                                                                                      Problem is, what you call a "more up to date" look is something that I generally don't like anyways. They've gone and found those things which I dislike and done them even further in my "bad direction". It only takes a second for me to realize that I loathe the way they have the threads laid out because I've seen it happen on other websites (most of which I"ve ceased going to over time).

                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: sekelmaan

                                                                                                                                                                    You know what they say about how long it takes to form a first opinion.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: shanagain

                                                                                                                                                                      S

                                                                                                                                                                      never heard that one so by asking he does not know if he is setting himself up for a big old whack on the side of the head.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: jfood

                                                                                                                                                                        lol, not at all - you never whack a good dog, in particular one with spectacular typing skills and a mad sense of style.

                                                                                                                                                                        But.. first opinions are formed in roughly 10 seconds if you're dealing with people.
                                                                                                                                                                        In web design, you get about 2 seconds for users to scan the "above the fold" section of your site.

                                                                                                                                                                        Pretty snappy, really.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: shanagain

                                                                                                                                                                          :-))

                                                                                                                                                                          That was sorta like hitting on 16.

                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks S.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: shanagain

                                                                                                                                                                            But there will always be those that need a few weeks to form an opinion, shanagain. ;-)

                                                                                                                                                                    2. I don't like it either. If you're using Firefox, NoSquint is a big help on forums that are not visually appealing. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fire...

                                                                                                                                                                      1. I read through these replies pretty quickly so maybe I missed it. I don't see how to search on a particular board. Don't tell me that's gone. Please.

                                                                                                                                                                        PS: I hate all this white.

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                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                          The search bar is now across the top right (where your user name is). It seems to have two boxes -- where you put the search term -- separated by a tiny "IN" -- and where you put presumably the board name. I like the prominence of the search box at the top like that. But I don't like that I have to start typing the board name. If I click in the box shouldn't a drop down list appear? Or allow you to select "this board I am on right now"?

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LNG212

                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks L. They told us how great that function would be and then they hid the little puppy out of site. glad you found it for us.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jfood

                                                                                                                                                                              Somewhere in this thread (I think this one) is a question by MMRuth about the advanced search function and the chow people's response as to how to find it. So there's more functionality there (supposedly) than I've tried yet.

                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: LNG212

                                                                                                                                                                              Thanks. I found it. I guess "best match" is the old "relevance"? At least that's the default. But I've yet to see anything here that is an improvement. I'm a change lover in my life but I crave change that is for the better. Oh well, as someone said, I certainly need to be spending less time on CH. This oughta do it.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. Search function in red CHOWHOUND header doesn't accept apostrophes.

                                                                                                                                                                            Example:

                                                                                                                                                                            [Ralph's] in [Philadelphia]

                                                                                                                                                                            Comes back with an error:

                                                                                                                                                                            Your search for ralph%27s did not return any results

                                                                                                                                                                            and pops up a new dark grey search band across the page. Type your apostrophised name in this new area and search works fine - displaying appropriate results.

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                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Foody4life

                                                                                                                                                                              I dont understand why chowhound doesnt just use the google custom search for the website. It is highly effective and proven.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Foody4life

                                                                                                                                                                                This is fixed. Thank you for the bug report. These are really useful.

                                                                                                                                                                              2. couldn't agree more! this is a big step down (like jumping off a cliff!)

                                                                                                                                                                                1. The new format is aggravating my Agent Orange condition.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Scagnetti

                                                                                                                                                                                    Hey don't bring me into this, I had no part in it.

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Ow, my finger hurts from scrolling through all this negative space and giant font.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: runwestierun

                                                                                                                                                                                      Press the space bar to scroll down a long web page. It's easier on your hands.

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. I like the 2 sort options on our individual page, but the "all activity" feature is gone? I used it a lot as the quickest way to get a feel for a hound.
                                                                                                                                                                                      I like the larger print, just not the font. Others have noted lack of contrast and lack of color as not easy on the eye, and all the blank space will make long threads a chore to scroll through.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. While we're at it, autoplay Chow Tips is back and that needs to be optional without using particular browser plugins.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Users have to click more with the new design. FAIL.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Users have to scroll more with the new design. FAIL.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Users see less on a given screen with the new design. FAIL.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Users experience more eye strain with the new design. FAIL.
                                                                                                                                                                                          Navigation is less intuitive and more cumbersome with the new design. FAIL.
                                                                                                                                                                                          The new design does not fix several major flaws in the old design (e.g. the small size of the window for composing a reply). FAIL.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: carswell

                                                                                                                                                                                            Why has the All Activity link on user profiles been deleted? Despite the misnomer (it displayed only one page's worth -- not all -- of the user's most recent posts), it was a useful feature. It would have been more useful if the user's entire posting history (divided into digestible chunks, of course) had been displayed, but now even the hobbled version is gone. FAIL.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: carswell

                                                                                                                                                                                              What do you mean? If i click on your name I can see back 110 pages of threads you posted on...

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                                                                                You see a thread listing. The former All Activity link displayed the complete text -- not just the titles -- of the user's 25 or so most recent posts.

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: carswell

                                                                                                                                                                                                It wasn't really working well -- it was supposed to include comments from all over the site, but in reality, included comments on CHOW stories (but not comments on blogs or recipes) and Chowhound only. Until they can retool it to actually be more like it's name suggests it should be, it's been removed, and it's spot in the profile nav given up as a new home for hot posts / your unread posts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                                                                                                                  So a useful feature has been axed because it wasn't exhaustively useful?! FAIL.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                                                                                                                    bring back "all activity."!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                    who cares if a "chow" blog comment wasn't there? those are inconsequential.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    "all activity" allowed me to see what was remaining of my own recent posts, and to get a gauge on who some other poster was, in terms of outlook.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    please please bring it back.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    ~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                                                                                                    all this light color hurts my eyes, too. look at your demographics. we ain't all 24 years old. our eyes are aging.....

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hey, i'm 27 and it hurts my eyes...maybe i'm just aging very quickly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: iluvtennis

                                                                                                                                                                                                        on jfood's screen there are 6 already read poster's nmaes...nothing else.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                                                                                                                      With whatever faults the "all activity" feature had, it was very useful and frequently accessed. It's a major loss.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yes. I *REALLY* miss that one! Maybe it will come flittering down from heaven, like manna! Please....!

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've been running in and out doing errands today and wanted to respond to a comment you made somewhere about some of the other links on the My Chow page

                                                                                                                                                                                                          My Posts - All the posts where you have participted sorted by your choice of "my post date" or "recent activity". You can scroll back to your very first post under your user id

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Unread posts - All posts whether or not you participted in them. You can scroll as many pages back as the last time you selected the unread posts link. Sorted by most recent posts Formerly called hot posts

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Reading List - if you have selected posters in the "People I'm Reading" section of your My Chow page, these are all the posts they have participated in. Sorted by most recent posts. It is scrollable

                                                                                                                                                                                                          BTW, as of this post, thanks to the tech team for fixing the formatting and spacing issues.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: rworange

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well, the reason I miss "All Activity" so much was because it was such an easy way to find a thread that I've participated in, but has a subject line/title that is so very similar to others that are going on. For example, right now there are two major threads about the new site in site talk. I've particpated in both of them. Last night I p osted a picture showing how the new site looks on my screen, but for the life of me I couldn't remember which one. And they're both now teetering on the verge of "gargantuan." It would have been so easy to go to All Activity and find it. Instead I had to go to My Photos, click on the picture, go to that as a full size image, then click on the show-me-this-post thingie... If that post had not had a picture attached, I would have had to pour through a gazillion tons of stuff to find my needle in the haystack.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jaqueline said something about the "All Activity" not being utilized as it was originally meant to be. Sometimes such turns of fate turn out to be very good things. I really miss All Activit6y!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                              "All Activity" was a very useful feature. It should not have been left out of the new design.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Bring it back.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: carswell

                                                                                                                                                                                                    +1 and an additional, extra-special +1 for your FAIL re all activity, which made me laugh out loud. Go to the head of the class, carswell!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                    And to jfood who started a "let's be positive about the new release" thread, then contributed nothing to it, that was amusing as all get out as well. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: carswell

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Users have to move the mouse more with the new design. For example, to get to our My Chow page, the link to which is now located far away in the upper right corner of the page. Similarly, opening and closing the board listing requires moving the cursor over to the far right edge of the screen, after which you usually need to move it back to the centre or left side of the screen. FAIL.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. There's just way too much wasted space now and it's so cumbersome. Where's "My Chow"? And who decided that the only domestic regional boards that should be accessible with one click are on the west coast? It was really just fine before these "improvements."

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. What's with this font? We seniors will definitely not be here if we have to get a magnifying glass to read the replies!! This is really awful.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. A roll-back is usually very difficult as there may have been database changes. Since I spent twenty years writing and designing user interfaces there are a few things that come to mind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1) The roll-out isn't smooth, but in a web world that's ok. Any updates to the web servers are immediately reflected. (As opposed to a new release of, say, Microsoft word.) It's usually considered bad practice to use your users to debug the software, but that stuff happens.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2) When a change is made the current users invariably dislike it. However give the system to a new user, let them use it for a while and then put them on the old system and they will (also invariably) cry foul.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          3) The older you are the more likely you will dislike change. Sorry - it's human nature.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          4) The 'thread space' is more open and cleaner. There are fewer disruptive elements on the screen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          5) The facility to select your boards is good even if it has a few errors. Odd that Chow did not go with the current convention of saying 'My Boards'. Following conventions like that make it easier on new users.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          There are a number of facilities that were missing and still are:

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1) There is little in the profile that allows you to modify your environment. This includes font size and contrast, especially to those who are older or who have poorer vision. For the main thread area black on white is fine. Pink on red and shadowed red areas are not good design. Remember that you can use ctrl +/- to change font sizes. OI the right of the thread area in the 'Most Popular' section the headings (such as recipe) is grey-on-grey. Not a great choice even when you are trying to de-emphasize. Additionally, in chow, it is not immediately obvious which emboldened text is a hyperlink. There is no consistency. This does not matter to most of us as we are 'used to it'. It is difficult to be a designer and see things through fresh eyes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          6) Ease of use facilities are still missing: Here are a few:

                                                                                                                                                                                                          * No way of jumping or automatically positioning on the next unread message:
                                                                                                                                                                                                          * If you hover over things there are no tips. An example of this would be in a message where it shows the higher level poster. (ie where it says "re: kpaxonite" in this message. ) I would like a little pop-up box that shows the message.
                                                                                                                                                                                                          * Navigation is not intuitive

                                                                                                                                                                                                          7) And then there are many 'odd' things that we just accept as normal. For example, why does the '+ Attach Photo" bar extend the full width? forcing "Post my reply" to be on another line

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'll stop here before I come across totally negative.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Paulustrious

                                                                                                                                                                                                            As someone else upthread pointed out - the ability to change font on the fly doesn't really help because the main problem is the font and size in *only* the messages in the thread but the changes are applied across the whole thread. My main issue is that I see far less content in one screen than I did before (and I"m not talking about 'busy' content like random adverts and such, but actual posts)

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jgg13

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I had the opposite of a deja vu moment before I realised that up-thread in this case was also down-time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I am not entirely sure why this 'message column' is a fixed width, except that it does give the advertising a better chance of being seen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I agree about the quantity of messages that are visible at any given moment. The message perimeters are a touch wide. There are approximately 5 lines lost between the last line of message x and the start of message x+1. In terms of compacting, if you reply to a message, then the space surrounding the your reply text is a lot less.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              As an aside, I never understood why we were given such a small area to enter a reply. You end up scrolling as you try to read your response if it is over 5 lines long. Some people have sentences that long. There must have been an SMSer in charge of that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Lousy design, clunky, ugly, not user friendly, and painful to look at. Tried to sign in and it froze up. Had to close browser and reopen and then I was logged in. What morons built this and who tested it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. This is the worst change to date. Don't you ever do any testing?? You really can be stupid!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. I'm willing to give this thing a bit of time before passing judgement, but the love of Pete get rid of the italics!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. This is simply dreadful and pathetic! Somebody needs to be made redundant over the decision to change the site, yet knowing how the other CBS sites have gone, that person will probably be promoted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Have you ever heard of a focus group or beta testing? Evidently not...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. I hate it, too, but change is hard when an old, comfortable familiar isn't. So I'm giving it a while before I start whining in earnest, just to be fair. Maybe I'll get more used to it, but as hard as it is to imagine it possible, I think they've made it more clunky than before.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Being a CH mod must feel like a dirty, thankless job tonight; I'm sure they anticipated some revolt. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. It takes more clicks to navigate to the boards that I read because the drop down menus are gone. The old site was very usable so why the change?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I might check back in a week.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. I find it difficult to navigate, and my computer froze the first time I tried to get on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. I just did a search and when I got the page, it wouldn't let me click on any of them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. This spacing issue is ridiculous. I posted a two line reply to someone's three line post and it took up almost the entire screen. Come on, people.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Just for a test, I saved a board. Seems like it was more clicks than just using the old dropdown menu.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. Why do they do this???
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The new layout is a disaster.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I vote "no"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: The Professor

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've just come to the board for the first time since they rolled out the new format. And I HATE IT! The new menu at the top of the page is meh... I could get used to it. But I can't read the messages (or the thread titles) to save my life. They're way too small and squashed up. What purpose does it serve to have the 'side bar' virtually the same width as the actual message screen? Oh yes, it's to make sure that we can't miss seeing the advertising. I've got eyestrain just from trying to write this post. For pity's sake, please make the font larger!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Kajikit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I propped a piece of cardboard against the right half of the screen to cut the glare - maybe if we all do that the advertiser complaints will make the PTB fix the problem. In the interest of full disclosure, I've never clicked on a CH ad but I imagine the buyers would be a little peeved that I am not even SEEING them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That seems like a viable way to cut the horrible glare--using the cardboard. Otherwise my eyes start to get tired. I always change my backgrounds in word processing programs etc to a light blue to eliminate the glare.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. The aesthetics of this new version are horrible. My world just got a little bit colder and uglier.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Terrible, clunky and totally not needed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Why do so many web designers think they can "improve"? I have known at least 2 sites that have gone down in flames because the new, improved design was so unfriendly! I hope this does not happen to Chowhound. I will miss it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Wow. I'm blinded by all the whiteness and unwieldy is euphemistic where navigation is concerned. The revamp is deeply flawed just as most corporate overhauls are. It's push push push then go live before any of the major issues are resolved. You've got a captive audience here. Why don't you listen to us?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: agoodbite

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Seriously... I wonder if any other thread has gotten 220 or so replies his fast before.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Who moved my cheese?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. I do not like this either. Also the name of the poster is overprinted by the date and time on my screen, and as I type the letters are squished together or spread apart in the same word and it looks like poor type as you would find on packages of frozen oriental foods, or instructions to a gadget made in an asian factory. And the posts are just not easy to read. too much line space. Also the site is no longer user friendly. Ugh.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. I've been lurking and posting on Chowhound for something like four or five years, and I abhor the gray scheme after ten minutes of dealing with the icebergs floating around the replies in this thread. And I'm twenty-three. How is this supposed to be useful for reading recipes, or any of the large, paragraph-heavy restaurant reports? This feels like m.chowhound-- something designed for my ipod, in which the fonts are clunky and the sizes larger to accommodate the tiny screen. But I'm reading this on a 15 inch laptop screen, and it's ridiculous. Even pinching in (macbookpro) only makes it slightly more legible for quick scanning, and the font sizes are irregular and disproportionate to their roles. Seriously, this is making me rethink my chowhound addiction, because I use my laptop as a cookbook, and no part of me wants to pore over the site with the redesign.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: chocolatstiletto

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Please please please cut down on the whiteness, and increase the font size!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Too much white space around each post. Takes up way too much room.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: the_MU

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My finger's getting tired scrolling at least twice as much.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Where's the Chowhound Team et al? Seems like they've been conspicuously quiet the last number of hours. We're giving feedback; I think we'd like some acknowledgment at least,if not a commitment to stop fixing things that aren't broke :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's 8pm on the West Coast. Even software engineers get to go home (says the wife of a software engineer.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Chris VR

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oops, you're right :) Sorry about that. Sleep tight, kiddos. You've got a big day ahead of you!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Agree... too much white and not as easy to navigate. It was a really attractive and an easy site to read and click through before.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. I miss the black "special coverage tabs at the top of the page. That was another feature that occasionally drew me over to Chow.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Frankly, because I increase font size to read the site without glasses, the right hand side is mostly cut off, so I'm not catching the Chow stories and videos there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I rarely look at the bottom of the screen once I've read the last post.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It was also a nice informational place to announce site changes. I doubt most people read Site Talk. I usually only catch up on posts there when something is going wrong with the site or there is some major change.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As to the bottom of the page, the grouping was better before where the Chowhound information was to the left and the rest of the Chow info was grouped together

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The old format

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Boards Recipes Stories Blogs

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The new format

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Recipes Discussion Stories Video

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    So instead of
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chowhound Chow Chow Chow it is
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chow Chowhound Chow Chow

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Maybe you can consider moving the Chowhound links at the bottom of the page back to the far left

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Speaking of cutting off part of the screen. Why can't the tabs at the top of the page for "choose a board" and "Show saved boards" just toggle on and off by hitting the tab. When I increase my screen size it means I need to scroll right to expand or collapse that section.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: rworange

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      All good points.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      They really do need a designer. And by that I do not mean someone who responds to technological issues, but to create an intuitive design. The only problem is that it will alienate the old guard :-}

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Paulustrious

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think you've given some great input here. But re your last sentence here, the "old guard" seem to be as vociferous in their criticims as anyone else :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. For what it's worth, I've been tied up most of the day and came to Chowhound around ten tonight, my time (CST). I've read nearly all of the complaints so far and am forced to assume many of the problems have been taken care of. Is this true?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I keep three different browsers loaded and have tried the site with IE, Chrome, and Firefox. The problems that jfood talks about with missing or only partially visible letters only happens on IE for me. Both Chrome and Firefox are pretty clear. But Chowhound and IE have been incompatible on my computer for quite some time. In fact, that is the reason I have the other two browsers loaded. They're carry overs from the last site revision.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm not sure what all the talk about lousy fonts is about. I use Arial as my default font in my "Display" preferences in my Windows Control Panel, and that's the font that shows up on Chow and Chowhound. In other words, I see no font changes between the new and the old versions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      For the record, I had grey type face before and I have gray typeface now, except for things in Big Bold Black, such as titles and such. As a work around for those who may have problems with a lighter gray than is comfortable, I find that when that happens, I just hi light what I want to read, and it's much clearer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have noooooo idea of how bad things may have been this morning, but this late in the day (night), it doesn't look all that bad to me. Yes, there are things that are changed, but they seem to be fairly intuitive, and I'm figuring them out. So from me a tentative "Good job," but I strongly reserve the right to bitch my head off if I change my mind! '-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You may have something special set up with your fonts, because the font is still enormous and there's still a crazy amount of white space on the page. No improvements have been made (on those fronts) since this morning. It literally hurts my eyes to have even typed this reply, because it's just glaring on the page, I had to look away while typing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: JasmineG

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Sounds like you need to adjust the brightness on your monitor! That sounds painful.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well, I would rather not, because all of the other websites that I visit don't have this kind of white space, so this current Chow is the only one that hurts my eyes like this. I'm not going to adjust my monitor for one site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Then a lot of people n this thread and others need to adjust brightness .,, for once site ... since the new release.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The type shrinks in the replies and is smaller than in the OP. Here's a screen print if you are not seeing the same on your computer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: rworange

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Here's what I'm seeing. Seems logical that the differences have to be due to the way we each have our computers and monitors set up. If it was a site problem, we'd both be seeing the same thing. Or so it seems to me. As you see, I'm using Firefox, not IE.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  the vertical piling of photos in enlarged mode is so annoying!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: kpaxonite

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Not a problem for me. I simply never look at that side of the page! '-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think kpaxonite means when a member posts photos in their own post - if there are multiple photos posted, they are now all vertical vs. the thumbnails being in a horizontal line.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        So is that just for new posts? I just checked one from a few days ago and they're still horizontal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Check out the photos in this Permalink in silvia_italy's thread about Eat Pray Love food:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7259...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Click on the first photo, and you'll see what I mean after scrolling to see the thumbnails of the other photos.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You can read more advertisements this way.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: chowdom

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've got an AdBlocker installed, so I'm not seeing all the ads that others seem to be seeing. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                exactly what I was about to say lol

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't think it has anything to do with monitor/computer setup. It's possible to change the defaults, but for those people who just allow pages to come up as they are designed, the page should come up as it shows up on rworange's screen. I use a MacBook and a PC with Firefox, and both have the same huge font issues. All I can see on my MacBook now is your post and this reply window. If your post were just a few lines longer, I would have to scroll to be able to read it all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It's not possible to shrink the font because then the Reply links and the text in the Reply window would be almost microscopic. The contrast in the font sizes means that we're pretty much stuck with the way it is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: queencru

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          >>>"""All I can see on my MacBook now is your post and this reply window. If your post were just a few lines longer, I would have to scroll to be able to read it all.""""<<<

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          creencru and caroline, it is the same here about how much screen space is taken up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          i am on a macbook pro and use safari, without any tweaks to any settings.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. re: rworange

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You're seriously suggesting that people whose monitors are set to work properly with other sites, whose monitors were set to work properly with the former site, should now adjust their monitors every time they drop by Chowhound? Or use workarounds like Ctrl - to reduce the font size when they read a thread and then Ctrl + to enlarge the font size when they look at the thread listing or go to another site? Are you aware how many hundreds of times a day some of us would have to do this? And that's in addition to all the extra clicks and scrolling that the new design already forces us to do?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Or maybe you're suggesting that we all switch to Microsoft Explorer <shudder> just for this website so that pages render correctly?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The new release is deeply flawed. It breaks several basic tenets of good interface design: make things simpler; reduce clicking, scrolling and mouse movement; minimize eye strain; make how to do things obvious; increase functionality; display more useful information per screen (not less); use standard settings; adapt to the user (don't make the user adapt to you); and so on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        One can only conclude that most of these changes are intended to improve the interface not for computer users but for mobile phone and tablet users. In other words, the redesign -- along with earlier fluff like the mapping function, brain-dead autolinking function, restaurant section, useless eye-candy and, even (I suspect) the Chow section -- is geared to gaining new occasional users, new eyeballs (and thus advertising dollars), not to making the lives of longtime hounds (who are also the main content providers) any more pleasant or easier. Thanks, CBS!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. aaaiiiiiggghhhhheeeee!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  how much empty, glaring space!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  how much "scrolling, scrolling, scrolling,... rawhide!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m9BG_...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Not to worry! CBS created it so they can fill it with new and future ads. It won't be bare long. Have faith!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      for sure. there should be "space and stars" on both sides of the response boxes, and the theme to "star wars" playing, while we're doing all this endless scrolling. at least it would be easier on the eyes and entertaining, at least for the first 3 or 4 times.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I dont know if you are serious but to me it looks like they created a site a site for handicapped or mobile users.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. For me, the single biggest annoyance introduced by the redesign is the amount of space taken up by unexpanded replies. Previously they had thin borders and a small amount of white space. Now they have wide borders, a generous complement of white space. Moreover, there's now even whitespace _between_ the replies!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This makes for a lot of work when scrolling through large, frequently read threads.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Peripatetic

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The white space around collapsed posts has been addressed in a separate thread and will be fixed, per the CH Engineering Team.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          woo hoo! that's a good step that will eliminate some of the scrolling issue.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yay, and like magic, it's fixed! Thanks!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              This change is the best part of the new release. If we keep complaining maybe we can get them to change it more towards the way it used to be.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Im seriously about to stop using CH this is ridiculous

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. i just noticed that collapsed replies don't have the avatars showing. did they in the past?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              i thought i used them to "spot" my posts or certain posters who have "non-standard" avatars.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                No, they never did, just the names. The avatars collect at the top right. No change there.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: BobB

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  thanks. maybe it seemed "odd" because there is so much space around the collapsed posts (within even the "reply box").

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. It looks as though someone threw a bunch of little items like toy jacks onto a blazing white counter top. Everything appears to float across the screen. It's hard to follow what is in line on the left with what is on the right.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                DUMP THIS! IT'S A COMPLETE DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. I'm about two feet away from a 27" monitor. I read this thread and the eye strain is incredible. If this was a tv show it would be off the air within three episodes of its new season. Very disappointing considering this was my favorite food site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. After a great night's sleep, I got to wondering. What do you suppose CH based the decision on to make these changes? Was it user input or IT people? My husband worked for several years as kind of the "conduit" (my term) between the IT people and the users at his company. There was a serious disconnect cause the IT folks just wanted to design what THEY thought the users should use. Bob's background was on the operations end of the business but he had just enough IT knowledge to translate for both groups. Seems like this isn't what happened here. Just a few first-cup-of-coffee thoughts.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think Carswell's theory that it was done for mobile/tablet users makes sense...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Of course, confirming that would be easy. I use almost no apps on my iPhone precisely b/c reading a screen that small & typing w/ one finger is a PITA. And I don't have/need an iPad. But can anyone who does report?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: tatamagouche

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Don't have a phone or a pad, but just checked it out on my iPod Touch. First let me say I spent practically no time on either CHOW or CH on my Touch but I can say this: The type, when a whole line fits on the screen, is readable. Before, to make the type readable, I had to enlarge it so that I couldn't see both the beginning and the end of a line on the screen at the same time. And on the Touch you don't see any of the vast real estate on either side of the comments panel. It's really quite neat and clean.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think you may have hit the nail on the head, tatamagouche.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: tatamagouche

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          judging from the comments on Jfood's thread for positive comments, almost everyone with something positive to say is saying the phone app is much improved-- see Jfood's post below.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Haven't looked at that thread yet. Will now. Would be interesting to see the numbers on users by types of device.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Still, isn't the assumption basically correct that iPhone screen use/iPad use will always be supplementary to computer/laptop use? Or is that just me?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: tatamagouche

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That's exactly what I thought - wonder what the user numbers would be for iPhone/iPad vs. desktop/laptop?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I still go back to the Beta testing. Was NONE of this properly tested on all formats to make it really usable for all? There's been no response to my several queries about testing. Was testing done in-house by the IT folk? Or were long-time users allowed to test? I can't believe that long-term users who had seen a facsimile of the site as it was rolled out yesterday would have thought it was usable.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: tatamagouche

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Please know that I've forgotten nearly everything I knew from my designing/developing days, so my terminology is rusty as hell, and the last thing I worked extensively with were .asp /vb.net pages. On top of that, I don't want to be too confusing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                When you design a web page, you (generally) put a little javascriptlet in the code that identifies the incoming browser. If your user is coming from Chrome with a 1280x760 resolution, you will need to have things render a little differently than if they're using IE, 800x600. Basically, the script tells the server to display the page a certain way depending on the user.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So as things have changed, I'm sure they've changed so that the browser-checker reads & directs iPad users to a slightly different rendering (so the page will show correctly) than a traditional user.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Why are we all being subjected to an iPad/phone friendly rendition when it's so easy to simply create a different style/theme/schema based on the user's interface?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: shanagain

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  These days a lot of things are done with floating design & proportional specifications. So instead of telling a widget to take up 500 pixels you tell it to take up 25% of the screen. That gets around that sorta thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Not everyone likes this because it can cause things to look wacky for extreme browser sizes, resolutions, etc ... the people that want you to always see *exactly* what they see, even if it's terribly annoying for others.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jgg13

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That had just started taking over when I was easing out, but I remember that I used a script to tell me (well, the server) if the rendering was going to a mobile device or more traditional browser, because at the time it was a pain to write. (Then I got visual studio.) But the point being - that still has to be an option in most development/authoring, right?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I know there are a ton of sites I go to that redirect me to their mobile site if I'm browsing on my phone (and at times I hate that, too).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: shanagain

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      They should be able to tell that from the useragent, although those things aren't 100% reliable (like all of the idiots who spoof their browsers UA to tell the server that they're using IE so they can view a site properly instead of simply voting with their feet and eschewing sites which claim to only work with IE) - I would assume that's now most sites do that sort of thing. I'm not really an expert by any means.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: c oliver

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            What jfood finds interesting is the positive responses from the I-Phoners and the thrasing from the computer people. Blackberry access still stinks big time, this site is, well, less than well-received.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Could CBS have assigned this to the wrong skill set, i.e. the i-phoner? Are they more focused there than here? Has ANYONE who was involved in the Beta Test stepped up on this Board to say either yup there was a good cross-section or Wow that is not what the beta site looked like (jfood has a real hard time believing most of these guffaws would not have been caught in a well designed beta).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It just makes NO sense that this got past beta and into the CH domain.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            PS - Jfood humbly apologizes that his three paragraph response encompasses anyone's ENTIRE screen). As little jfood would say "That is so not my fault."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jfood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hi Jfood - We are just as invested in developing a better Blackberry experience as the Iphone and Android experiences. The goal is to have the Blackberry site redesigned by the end of the year.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: CHOW HQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                jfood just did a similar prioritization analysis w his business and will give this advice. roll out things that are tested and customer focused and do NOT try to boil the ocean. This on-line relase probably means the latter point was not adhered to.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: jfood

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I tested it on my ipad, and yes, it's better than it was before, but i rarely even care to look at chow on my ipad. That's not what i use ipad for so i really don't care if they improved it for ipad or not. Do most people who have an ipad or blackberry have a computer as well. I would still think most of your viewership would come from computers...isn't there a way you can make it friendly for all kinds of users???? please!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Piling on... more clicks = bad. Always.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. Day two eyes still hurting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. I believe they call it de ja vu!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  stick around for the days of wine & roses posts
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  and the pointing out the obvious posts or
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  the just recognize that the obvious is just that posts
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  or the come back when the dusts settles posts

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  does anyone have a job anymore
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  wowzer people
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  life ain't perfect.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Therefore no one should try to bring about change?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. There is far too much wasted space (posts only take about 1/4 of width), requires way too much scrolling, and too white (strains the eyes) and . Please change it back! There may be other good changes in the new design, but these 2 things keep me from being able to see anything good about it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. so i timed it and as of this post, it's a full minute of scrolling to get from op to the end of the thread. i just don't think the site can deal with the loss of interest and boredom that regular users will get from this, if there isn't a pretty quick fix.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I usually use the Page Down/Up keys to quickly scroll to find open/New posts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          One thing I have noticed re: scrolling that’s significantly better than it had been before is that if you drag your browser’s scroll button with your mouse, you can go right to the bottom of even a fairly long thread such as this one. It used to be that I would pull the button all the way down and it would keep creeping up on it’s own while the threads continued to load. I assume this means that the long threads are loading a lot more quickly than they used to.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That doesn't work if you're on a netbook/laptop. I know on my MacBook it tends to get stuck in that scrolling mode and isn't worth the frustration.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: queencru

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              yes, a lot of the time i'm on a small laptop w no page up/down keys (maybe there is a function i don't know about/use), no external mouse. still and all, i think JoanN's observation may be right-- the site seems to load the long threads faster now, and zooming to the end of a long thread, without accidentally skipping a new response in the middle, seems to be easier.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              i still think the site looks like an iphone app that the rest of us are trying to figure out desktop computer and laptop work-arounds for. and what about new users? should they be expected to like the look/navigation and jump thru the hoops to get some usability out of the site?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                sk, do you have a CTRL key? Perhaps using that and the up or down arrow would work?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: soupkitten

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  For years I have been whining about how much slower Chowhound is than any other site on the web.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I have to agree with JoanN that things are zippier now. I'm on a little netbook usually. However, both my pc's show a significant improvement in terms of response.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: queencru

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sure it does. You just move the cursor over to the slider and drag it down using your finger instead of a mouse. Ctrl > Page down is faster, but then you have to scroll up again. I like dragging whatever that scrolling button is called because I can go at the speed I want, slowing down if I think there might be replies in the middle of a long thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I guess it depends on how you're used to working, but for me the scrolling--both on my desktop and my laptop--seems to be faster and more efficient despite the threads taking up much more vertical space.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ETA: Not sure what you mean about getting stuck scrolling on a Macbook. Just turned on my Macbook to try it to make sure and didn't have any trouble at all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. what happended to the option to view posts by Date Started? I am not that interested in the 112th post on some string started 2 years ago and would much rather just keep an eye on the new stuff.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: sadarami

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                When you are in search, click on the view tab to the right of the page to display advanced search options. There you have an options to select a date range.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: rworange

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't want to have to go through a search to simply view a Board. The previous version let you view posts by either Last Post of Date Started. Why would they remove that option in the new and "improved" release?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: sadarami

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I misunderstood what you said. I thought you were talking about search.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It is still on your "My Chow page" I think ... Sort by: recent activity | my post date

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I have mine set to recen activity. Has the results for the other link changed?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. I'm still not seeing any way to get directly to stories of a certain type. For instance, if I want to see a list of Table Manners posts, I have to go to the newest one posted on the main Chow page and then click Table Manners, or I have to find it on the Top Posts list. Now from My Chow, it takes a minimum of 4 clicks to get to a story of interest that isn't the newest or listed in the Top stories, while before it took two.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: queencru

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yeah, I posted about that too. I like the series of pictures of the stories across the top format. But I thought if I click on the one that says Table Manners, then I should to the Table Manners list. I should not go to the current story. If I wanted the current story, I would have clicked on that story's title.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think the "too many clicks" problem is all over this site now. They've made it unwieldly to navigate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LNG212

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I asked about this issue yesterday and was told we'd get a right-side nav, which I have yet to see. It's just the three most recent posts in a small box to the right of the big scrolling picture on the main Chow page, and the scrolling video selector on the right in the Top Stories area. There's also a lot more scrolling when I get to the Table Manners (or other) section because the icon is now gigantic.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. just want to dd that every browser has a simple way to set font size

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: thew

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The problem (as many have stated) is that while font size is enormous inside threads, it's the regular size on the board list, so you would have to keep changing font size back and forth while reading the boards to keep it readable. That's not a good workaround. The huge amounts of white space are even worse than the huge font size, though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Update here - some fixes are coming please see this thread for details - http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7241...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: CHOW HQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I never knew about that thread...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I should have.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: CHOW HQ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thx, ChowHQ, for listening and responding!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Here's another one

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        - minimize the top top (where the board names are
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        - perform a search
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        - then with the results page open, open the top box

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Result = Board names and refine search page overlaid on top of each other...many guffaw.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. one more reason not to even come here, never mind post. why does this site consistently get worse instead of better?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. I hate this new format! The color scheme makes the site look amateur-ish and the larger images of the advertising and other chow links take up so much space on my screen that I find myself accidentally hitting links that I didn't want. Plus the huge fonts makes me feel like I have some type of eyesight problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I hate that I can't see all the boards in one go and that boards are grouped off so that even if I hit "See all boards" it only shows the boards for that particular group. It's also slower for me now when accessing this website, probably because of all the larger images.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: SeoulQueen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've heard a lot of the opposite- that the site loads faster, but I haven't really noticed a difference. Especially in the story areas, there are tons more pictures to load than there were in the previous release.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: queencru

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The site loads a lot faster on my macbook pro, same for my iPhone4.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm not a big fan of the redesign but I do appreciate the speed bump.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Yeah, I'm losing the love pretty fast. Can't get or see any boards that I want . . .

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. When I first saw the new setup, I, too thought IINBDFI. After working with it a couple of days, though, I realize that most of the threads I often use are obtainable in one click, so I'm happy with it now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: DonShirer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, I'm just hoping it grows on me too. Today I just went about my business here as if I knew what I was doing. Things really did turn out OK. Still, I can't help but disagree with all the dang white space around everything. Now, if I could just understand the little View setting top right I'd feel a lot more comfortable...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Gio

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Seriously, ALL I CARE ABOUT IS COLOR SCHEME. I'm a sucker for some good hues. If they just give me back my crimson & cream, I'm fine with everything else. (The darker gray border helps, but still. Gray signifies mold & gristle. Not an appetizing color!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: tatamagouche

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yeah, the crimson and cream color scheme was a real classy combination. It reminded me of red velvet, like at an old-school French restaurant or movie theater. On the other hand this whitish gray reminds me of a cheap dress shirt I bought at Wal Mart.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: RealMenJulienne

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Haha. Yes, bring back the old-school French restaurant colors!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: hannaone

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          What type of computer system are you using, hannaone? I've never seen the blue/yellow format.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Windows XP with Firefox - Using the Stylish add-on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Edit: Here is the style info I used in the add-on for anyone interested -

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            @namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            @-moz-document domain("chowhound.chow.com") {}
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            body{background:#dfcfff;}
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            #custom-doc{background:#dfcfff}
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            #main_body{background: #bfddee;}
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            td h4 {background-color:#668888;}
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            .topics_show .post,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            .topics_new .post,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            .topics_show #comments .post {border: 1px solid #9f9f9f !important; position: relative; padding:4px;}
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            .post_body {background-color: #f1f1a9;}
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            #post {background-color: #c1f1a9;}
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            .topics_show .post{border:5px solid #d4d4d4;position:relative;background:#afbff1;padding:10px;}
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            .post_title {background-color: #d1eed3;}
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            .module {background-color: #d1eed3;}
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            td {background-color: #d1eed3;}
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            #gallery_module {background-color: #d1eed3;}
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            #most_popular_module {background-color: #d1eed3;}

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: hannaone

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ahh, I have Windows XP with Firefox as well, but I'm not using any add-ons for appearance.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: Gio

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "Now, if I could just understand the little View setting top right I'd feel a lot more comfortable..." Gio

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Click on the tabs next to "View." They collapse and expand the Boards menu. Pretty spiffy! But I'd still rather have "All Activity" back. '-(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Caroline1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks Caroline... I did have fun doing that for a little while yesterday but I thought it was useless.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. The "By" field is blank in the permalink. The next few posts also have a problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7193...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ....and Report does not work.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: souschef

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          FWIW, I just "reported" your post with the Q "Does it work?" It did for me. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. You hear that sound? That's the sound of someone removing chow.com from his favorites and going to look elsewhere on the web for a food-related site that doesn't give him motion sickness, vision problems, and narcolepsy.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've never seen such a counter-productive "upgrade".

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. Add another one...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            - why is the search function different on the "my recent posts" page than the boards page?
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            - the expanded "boards" after doing a search is still a mess

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. Is Chow part of some sort of government conspiracy to make us all go blind? Why must all the "upgrades" result in smaller fonts?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. i see the collapsed boxes are now smaller. good start!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                still waiting for "all activity" to return! pleeeeeeeaaaaassseeeee!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. SOB !! :( I miss the cheery "Hey Souschef" greeting !! :(

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: souschef

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yeah ... I reported that elsewhere. It made the site more personal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. In the old version, six or so of the newest new threads were at the bottom of the screen with no screen name or board ID and another 10 or 12 were underneath my profile with the SN and board. I'd guess 90% of the posts I made (and I make a helluva lot of them, don't I???) originated with seeing those. Now what's at the bottom are just new posts and the thread could be years old and the ones under my profile got 86'd. It took me about a day to realize that I find that a really big problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Sorry if this has been posted, but what is going on with the search page? Not that search was great before but at least it worked. Now the graphics are all messed up and overlapping each other. It not only blocks the search results but I can't go past the first page of the results.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: elliora

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        What are you searching for?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Now that there is a split for Chow/Restaurants/Chowhound there are fewer search results depending on where you are. There may in fact be only one page of results.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have been getting multiple pages.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: rworange

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I haven't been irked by any of the changes so far (lucky, I guess) but there is one really small thing that bugs me. Why does it now say By beside our names on each post? Isn't it kind of obvious who a post is by?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I cut and paste a lot from this site for recommendations. All these Bys add a lot more keystrokes for me, and they just seem kind of extraneous.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: grayelf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm not sure what the alternative would be. Not everyone has an avatar, and I certainly wouldn't recognize everyone by the avatar. The simple addition of "by" really doesn't change that much since the name and date of post have always been there. If you're deleting all of that, then deleting the "by" isn't that much more effort.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: queencru

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I did say it was a really small thing :-).