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kpaxonite Aug 10, 2010 11:41 AM

Change it back.... my eyes hurt
To be specific I hate the way it looks

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    gfr1111 Oct 1, 2010 09:12 AM

    I just printed a "discussion" from the Florida website titled, "Chef's Table - An excellent gourmet meal in an unexpected location - Orlando/Winter Garden." There really wasn't any discussion, just the review of the restaurant. Since the review was far less than a page long, I expected to get one or two pages of printing. Instead, I got SIX (!) pages of Chowhound website menu items, such as "Discussion, restaurants, take me to chow, choose a board, show saved boards, toggle search options," what was apparently a list of all boards with their subcategories in excruciating detail, computer instructions (such as "close Email"), my e-mail address, a blank box for "Friend's email," a message in a box (stating "Check out this Topic from CHOW.com, your home for food on the web"), then (FINALLY) the review from the poster, then a list of Florida board discussions, then "Visit other CBS Interactive Websites" with a listing of them, a listing of newsletters, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.

    I appreciate the provision of all of the information, but why in the world is the system set up so that one's printer prints out all this fluff each and every time that a person prints a discussion? It means that the printer prints out four pages of junk every time a person prints something.

    The system didn't used to do this until it was "improved." I'm grateful that there is a Chowhound website and I am positive that the people who changed it were trying to be helpful, but I really preferred the old website design, not just because of the printing problem but because the old website design was considerably easier to use.

    7 Replies
    1. re: gfr1111
      HillJ Oct 1, 2010 09:45 AM

      gfr1111, until this printing issue is resolved (and I share your frustration over wasteful printing) do yourself a gigantic favor and d/l the free program Evernote. With Evernote, you can select the section of any given page(s) you do wish to print as a "snapshot" kept in your Evernote file and print, share, store only the portion you wish to. Good luck!

      1. re: HillJ
        LindaWhit Oct 1, 2010 09:52 AM

        Or just copy and paste into a Word doc what she wants to print out.

        1. re: LindaWhit
          julietg Oct 1, 2010 11:59 AM

          or select only the frame you wish to print. or select the text, and hit "print selection" near the page selection fields.

          frame printing issues are not unique to chow.

          1. re: julietg
            LindaWhit Oct 1, 2010 12:38 PM

            Better choice, juliet. Had forgotten about print selection.

          2. re: LindaWhit
            HillJ Oct 1, 2010 12:09 PM

            copy & paste sometimes requires deleting a bit of border area text, ads, etc. Evernote makes it super simple and rests in your toolbar.

            1. re: HillJ
              kpaxonite Oct 1, 2010 04:31 PM

              not messing around with the website would have made things even easier.

              1. re: kpaxonite
                HillJ Oct 1, 2010 05:59 PM

                lol kpax, just trying to assist a fellow CH. I'm not a fan of website politics.

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        CyndiA Sep 25, 2010 06:55 PM

        Clicked in to visit Chowhound. Ugh. This looks like a student project design or something. My eyes are hurting, and the navigation is a hot mess. Bye.

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          Hilary Sep 24, 2010 03:21 PM

          I cannot agree more. Yes, the font is much toooo small. Even with my glasses I am having trouble seeing what I am writing from a normal distance. I cannot seem to figure out how to navigate around this newly designed site. I don't see "my chow" either, and I can't seem to find threads the way I did in the past. I vote to go back to the new design. New is NOT always better!

          1. iL Divo Aug 24, 2010 09:21 AM

            I sent the Mods a note via email half hour ago.
            Had a question about where some posts went and asked them to please respond.
            Also told them that whoever came up with the idea that change was good needs to go back to the way this place used to be. I can't stand this new format and as always, it's really hard to navigate.

            oh and I hate it when 'anyone' says, "Oh you'll get used to it". NO I WON'T

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            1. re: iL Divo
              randyjl Sep 12, 2010 06:26 PM

              I have pretty much quit using CH due to the new stuff! Too damn hard to use and read! Too bad, I have had some good refs from here!

            2. jen kalb Aug 23, 2010 11:07 AM

              well its been a couple weeks. the level of complaints seem to be dying down, folks just getting tired, finding workarounds etc.

              I am still wondering WHY I have to make conscious switchovers between CHOW and CHOWhound, and that in a rather awkward way and WHY there is a different way of moving between boards (saved boards vs the old pulldowns) on chowhound vs recent posts. Its totally non-user friendly and makes no sense.

              Im having some new errors cropping up too, not being able to see the most recent post in a thread or not having threads open at all when I click on them.

              OTHER issues: The Restaurants data input screen is still messed up for IE8 input (second col headers out of alignment) generating a lot of mistakes and annoying delay in input. even on IE8 there is content at page bottom (a row of pics with an arrow) sometimes blocking long lists of search results or the bottom of the map (so the option to spot nearby restaurant on a map or go to a second page of restuarants are prevented) My office computer (I was complaining about IE7 problems, its actually IE6 sorry) is continuing in terms of floating text on search pages, etc. the New York City restuarant entry page is particularly annoying to us outer boroughs folks - it is actually manhattan only, and only way to get to Brooklyn, say seems to be to use the search box. this one needs real work,

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                Glendale is hungry Aug 23, 2010 10:50 AM

                just an observation. i'm a lot less inclined to check this site because i hate how it looks, is organized, etc. apparently i'm in good company because there are a LOT fewer new posts coming in since the change.

                to the site folks:

                if your intention was to drive people away from chowhound, congratulations, you've succeeded.

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                1. re: Glendale is hungry
                  Chris VR Aug 24, 2010 06:17 AM

                  Not that I put much faith in alexa.com, but others seem to, and it's the only site I know of offering any kind of metrics for site traffic, and it says the opposite.

                  http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/chow.com# shows site traffic up 2% in the past month.

                  http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/chowhou... says it's up 30% although I'm sure that's due to some changes in URLs here, not actual traffic.

                  Also, I found this interesting, and it reflects what I would have expected:

                  Where Visitors Go on Chow.com

                  chowhound.chow.com 66.0%

                  chow.com 34.0%

                  1. re: Chris VR
                    Glendale is hungry Aug 24, 2010 09:07 AM

                    i don't put much faith in alexa either.

                    the Outer Boroughs board for NYC these days is looking more and more like a rehash of the same tired old threads - though that may have to do more with it being August and a lot of people away on vacation.

                    i think the complaints are dying down because people are tired and just can't be bothered. that pretty much sums up how i feel about chowhound lately.

                    this new release sucks.

                    1. re: Glendale is hungry
                      iL Divo Aug 24, 2010 09:22 AM

                      Glenda, I pray that's not you on the avatar

                      1. re: iL Divo
                        Glendale is hungry Aug 25, 2010 12:06 PM

                        Since the new release, sadly, yes. This is what I now look like.

                        It wasn't always this way. With Chowhound I used to feel invincible, now I just want to go home and eat dirt—or maybe Hamburger Helper.

                  2. re: Glendale is hungry
                    iL Divo Aug 24, 2010 09:25 AM

                    Glenda, let's see how many ditto's you can get to this statement:
                    "if your intention was to drive people away from chowhound, congratulations, you've succeeded."

                    I left DC for a reason, I'd finally had enough of it too, so.......I'll start...........


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                    jayjaymom Aug 19, 2010 08:55 AM

                    I'm not crazy about it either. I miss the daily recipe right up front and I find it harder to get to the boards too.

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                      queencru Aug 19, 2010 05:09 AM

                      I thought we were supposed to get right-side navigation on the Top Stories page so we could go directly into the topic instead of having to scroll through all the top stories ti find the topic of interest, click that story, and then go into the topic itself? The only thing I saw different in the stories section is that there are now more recent postings than there were before.

                      1. Gustavo Glenmorangie Aug 18, 2010 10:26 PM

                        I can't read thru 400+ entries, so maybe I'll repeat. But: I,too, hate the new format. It is incredible user difficult. The first thing -- FIRST THING! -- you have to do when you load a page is scroll down past the headers. A full page scroll. This is thoughtful web-page design?

                        Whoever designed this thing should be fired, really there's no excuse. And whoever approved it should be tossed out the door right behind the designer.

                        I'm officially out of here.

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                        1. re: Gustavo Glenmorangie
                          thew Aug 19, 2010 06:35 AM

                          it isnt a full page scroll for me. nowhere near it

                          1. re: thew
                            queencru Aug 19, 2010 06:40 AM

                            It's probably dependent on the screen size. It's almost a full page for me on my MacBook when Choose A Board is open instead of my saved boards.

                            1. re: queencru
                              nsxtasy Aug 19, 2010 08:38 AM

                              And, as I just posted in another topic, those who are complaining about how much room the headers take up (thereby requiring scrolling) may not be aware that you can collapse the display of CHOOSE A BOARD/SHOW SAVED BOARDS. There are two ways it can be viewed: either as little tabs that don't take up much space, so you can see the topic right below those little tabs, or as the full display showing lots of boards or your choices of boards. You can switch between those views by scrolling over to the right of where it says CHOOSE A BOARD/SHOW SAVED BOARDS and you'll see the word VIEW alongside two boxes. When you click on the left box, it uses the tab display so it doesn't take up much space, and when you click on the right box, it uses the full display showing lots of boards or your choice of boards. It remembers what you have chosen so that all subsequent displays show up that way, until you change it.

                              1. re: nsxtasy
                                queencru Aug 19, 2010 08:46 AM

                                Yeah but I am going to have to change it every time I want to switch boards, which is fairly frequently. Why do I want to collapse/expand after every thread I read?

                          2. re: Gustavo Glenmorangie
                            Paulustrious Aug 19, 2010 06:50 AM

                            I somewhat agree.

                            1) Chow's egoistic big red header occupies to much real estate
                            2) Any useful stuff is on the right hand side - often not visible
                            3) The advertising banner - that's ok. Somone has to fund this free site.

                            I'm now going to get repetitive and once more ask again for something (bis). When there is that (NEW) image next to a topic, can you make that look like a button? Then when you click it, it opens the thread and we are positioned on the first new post. It really isn't rocket science. You have the necessary functions in www.chow.com/javascripts/combined_min... or whatever the latest release is.

                            If you give an answer like "No - that would scroll past the advertising" I will accept that. But please respond. It would help all those people who are (justifiably) complaining about too much scrolling.

                          3. jfood Aug 18, 2010 03:19 PM

                            Jfood has not checked the other 100's of posts on this one so he will post anissue and a serendipity solution.

                            He was required to do a fair number of searches at lunch today and each search page led to what he normally sees on the bottom of the page floating right through the search reults and he could not see many of the results.

                            When he scrolled down to where the pages line up iat the bottom right each underscored 1 2 3 4, as he placed his curser over one of theother page numbers...poof the floating bottom disappeared from overlaying the search results.

                            Now jfood knows that was not the design but until this rises to the top of the prioritization list, it is a very simple work-around.

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                            1. re: jfood
                              jen kalb Aug 19, 2010 07:05 AM

                              Ok I am now on the computer where I am having this problem. jfood's workaround works where the results list goes past one page and the pages numbers appear at the bottom but not otherwise.

                              This rules out data entry from this computer configuration. since data entry requires a search - and the reply boxes are also in the covered area.

                              Its also weird - sometimes when these pages come up in the last 2 days they are unformatted showing long menus of choices, etc.

                              Either way, the maps are not showing which is discouraging.

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                              MCFAC Aug 17, 2010 02:22 PM

                              Why the stronger division between chow and chowhound? I searched on chow for something, and had no option to see chowhound discussion. The former option to see stories, discussion and recipes in one place from a search was valuable to me. I'll spend more time on chowhound, don't see how this helps chow's business model. Don't know if I can put my finger on other things bothering me like the rest of you have, but I'm visiting less.....

                              1. SanityRemoved Aug 14, 2010 01:43 PM

                                Ingenious way to reduce bandwidth consumption and wear and tear on the servers.

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                                1. re: SanityRemoved
                                  Kelli2006 Aug 14, 2010 08:19 PM

                                  Now that you mention it the site does load faster, but I wonder what the advertisers will say when they learn that the traffic has dropped because of the new design?

                                  1. re: Kelli2006
                                    nsxtasy Aug 15, 2010 07:44 AM

                                    Don't count on the traffic dropping. Especially with the most egregious aspects of the new design already fixed.

                                    1. re: nsxtasy
                                      rworange Aug 15, 2010 08:41 AM

                                      Unless they fix navigation ... which I believe they said they would this coming week ... I can see a drop in traffic.

                                      Will the regulars leave ... probably not. However, someone new to the site is unlikely to know how to get to Chowhound. There are even posts from long time Chowhounds who can't find their way around.

                                      Like it or not, Chowhound is what draws the majority of traffic to the site mainlybecause it is dynamic content as opposed to the fixed articles on Chow because of the nature of an e-zne

                                      So it is one of those friendly host/parasite relations. Chow benefits from the traffic and Chowhound benefits because Chow keeps it alive. That should be kept in mind.

                                      1. re: rworange
                                        JoanN Aug 15, 2010 09:46 AM

                                        I don’t know if I read this or I’m just making it up, but I think I recall an article just about the time it was first announced that CNET was buying Chowhound that Chowhound was seen as a ready-made chat room that would supplement the main draw that CHOW was expected to be. Didn’t work out that way; the cart started pulling the horse. It’s very hard for me not to be cynical and see this “new, improved navigation” as a way of forcing all of us (and I can’t possibly be the only one) who practically never go over to “the other side” to do so. What other excuse could there possibly be for having MY CHOW on CHOW, and all the boards on CH?

                                        1. re: JoanN
                                          Jacquilynne Aug 15, 2010 10:07 AM

                                          MyChow was always on CHOW. Having it not work well to get back to Chowhound was an oversight, not a design decision.

                                          1. re: Jacquilynne
                                            JoanN Aug 17, 2010 05:56 AM

                                            Interesting how one can be completely unaware of how things work until they don't any more. Thanks for the info.

                                      2. re: nsxtasy
                                        Kelli2006 Aug 15, 2010 09:58 AM

                                        The above is my first post is almost a week because Ive moved over to the Fresh Loaf and other culinary forums because of the updated software. Chowhound could delete my account and I wouldn't miss it.

                                        1. re: Kelli2006
                                          LindaWhit Aug 15, 2010 10:53 AM

                                          You really find it that difficult to navigate to the boards you want to read? Yes, there was some confusion at first, but they're all where they should be and accessible.

                                          1. re: LindaWhit
                                            Kelli2006 Aug 15, 2010 01:11 PM

                                            vBulletin software has always been preferable to what the owners of Chowhound chose to use, and the recent update only added unnecessary clicks to navigate the site.
                                            The site still lacks roll over capability to scan threads, many of the controls are counter-intuitive, and the colors are garish.

                                            1. re: Kelli2006
                                              LindaWhit Aug 16, 2010 07:53 AM

                                              How are gray backgrounds "garish"?

                                              1. re: LindaWhit
                                                tatamagouche Aug 16, 2010 09:34 AM

                                                I don't find them garish, but I still don't like the gray b/c it's not an appetizing color. Still wish I had a choice, but I can live with it.

                                                1. re: tatamagouche
                                                  LindaWhit Aug 16, 2010 10:38 AM

                                                  I would love to have the choice back as well (I preferred the cream-colored, slightly creamy yellowish background) but like you, I can deal with the pale gray background.

                                        2. re: nsxtasy
                                          Greg B Aug 16, 2010 07:23 AM

                                          I would disagree. I cannot find very much of anything (at least without doing a whole lot of work) that I used to look at on the previous site -- the stories, blogs, etc, now all seem to be rolled into one huge lump that you have to scroll through for page upon page, or search to find if you know what you are looking for. Now all that is there is "Top Stories", whatever that means. There is a whole pile of useful stuff that is simply buried, or perhaps even discarded, who knows.

                                          1. re: Greg B
                                            grayelf Aug 16, 2010 07:51 AM

                                            I'm still pretty okay with the changes (nods to fixes re white space etc) but I have noticed what others commented on, that some comments seem to be "marked as read" before I read 'em. Too random to find a pattern...

                                            1. re: grayelf
                                              kpaxonite Aug 16, 2010 07:56 AM

                                              Ive also notice the opposite problem when I open a thread that is marked as having new posts and all the posts are expanded.

                                            2. re: Greg B
                                              queencru Aug 16, 2010 08:49 AM

                                              I think we're supposed to be getting right-side links for the various types of stories/blogs sometime tomorrow. Hopefully this will solve the problem, because I agree that it's hard to navigate as it is now.

                                              I've also been experiencing the fully expanded thread, as I did when I just came into this thread after reading that it had a new post.

                                              1. re: queencru
                                                Kajikit Aug 16, 2010 07:57 PM

                                                I still can't read anything. I've got my face a foot away from my 21-inch widescreen monitor and I have to squint to read the messages. Sit back in my chair the way I do to read everything else on the internet and I can't read the postings at all! A bulletin board's not worth a migraine/eyestrain, so I guess I'm out of here until it's fixed.

                                                1. re: Kajikit
                                                  thew Aug 16, 2010 08:23 PM

                                                  or- click the little icon that makes text bigger on your screen 2 or 3 times when you come to CH.

                                      3. alkapal Aug 14, 2010 01:11 PM

                                        still... no response on "all activity' absence. please, chow team, respond!

                                        13 Replies
                                        1. re: alkapal
                                          BobB Aug 16, 2010 06:35 AM

                                          They have responded elsewhere - something to the effect that All Activity couldn't "read" some parts of the site and thus brought up an incomplete list, so they decided to turn it off until they fix it. I don't recall exactly what it missed - maybe recipes?

                                          1. re: BobB
                                            alkapal Aug 17, 2010 06:46 AM

                                            i didn't see the part about "until they fix it" even though i saw the post with their rationale for nixing it -- namely, that it didn't bring up comments made by posters on the
                                            "stories" or (other?) things on "chow" -- maybe recipes, as you say. "so what?!," i say.

                                            "ALL ACTIVITY" brings up the most important posts by any given poster -- those on the boards where most of us live and breathe anyhow.

                                            i have seen zippo about them bringing it back.

                                            1. re: alkapal
                                              BobB Aug 17, 2010 10:40 AM

                                              What Jacquilynne wrote (on this very thread, above) was, "Until they can retool it to actually be more like it's name suggests it should be, it's been removed."

                                              I read that as an intention to do so, but given how many other things are on the to-do list around here it may well never happen.

                                              1. re: BobB
                                                Chris VR Aug 17, 2010 02:07 PM

                                                I really wish they would reconsider this. Sure, it worked half-assedly before, but while I'm sure we'd all prefer a full-assed feature, half-assed is better than no-assed.

                                                1. re: Chris VR
                                                  kattyeyes Aug 17, 2010 02:12 PM

                                                  HA HA HA, so true, but +1 just the same...we never knew it was supposed to be more than what it was and appreciated it, anyway. Please bring it back soon!

                                                2. re: BobB
                                                  alkapal Aug 18, 2010 06:25 AM

                                                  bob, if i were an optimist, i'd say that your reading of jacquilynne's post was reasonable. but i'm not an optimist these days.

                                                  why can't they leave the half-assed version in use while they work on the big-butt version?

                                                  1. re: alkapal
                                                    LindaWhit Aug 18, 2010 06:36 AM

                                                    Why am I hearing Sir Mix-A-Lot in my mind's ear right now? ;-)

                                                    1. re: LindaWhit
                                                      alkapal Aug 18, 2010 06:46 AM

                                                      tee hee hee!

                                                      baby's got back! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDJP6y...

                                                      1. re: alkapal
                                                        kattyeyes Aug 18, 2010 07:40 PM

                                                        I like "All Activity" and I cannot lie
                                                        The lack thereof just makes me sigh
                                                        Can't spot shills when they crash our site
                                                        Can't recall what I typed last night...

                                                        1. re: kattyeyes
                                                          alkapal Aug 19, 2010 04:28 AM


                                            2. re: alkapal
                                              Paulustrious Aug 19, 2010 06:30 AM

                                              I never used 'All activity'. What did it do?

                                              1. re: Paulustrious
                                                kattyeyes Aug 19, 2010 06:56 AM

                                                It displayed a list of a poster's last (however many) actual posts...not just the name of the thread, but the actual post itself.

                                                1. re: kattyeyes
                                                  BobB Aug 19, 2010 08:04 AM

                                                  And included posts to Stories as well as boards. I found it very useful for checking on replies to my own Story posts (in the days when I read Stories, before they destroyed the Story posting interface), since those don't show up in the My Chow list.

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                                              another_adam Aug 14, 2010 12:28 PM

                                              Yeah, I gotta agree- just logged in and was kinda taken aback to see the natural evolution of the previous change, which was already headache-inducing. This one makes it worse, while increasing the amount of vertical space so you gotta scrollscrollscrollscrollscrollllll to read through things (even to get to the bottom of a post you've already read, so that a lot of the posts are collapsed)... I guess the batch of recent site updates are a draw- gmail got nicer and chowhound got uglier!

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                                                guilty Aug 14, 2010 09:37 AM

                                                Here's another in the hate category. I don't mind things changing, but the interface is non-intuitive (i.e. difficult to navigate) and not terribly attractive. What happened?

                                                1 Reply
                                                1. re: guilty
                                                  modthyrth Aug 14, 2010 09:46 AM

                                                  In complete agreement. I don't care about changes, new site designs. Change all you want. I don't need things to stay the same, but I do need a good UI experience! Holy cow, you made things ridiculously hard!

                                                  And yeah, I have to say that the site doesn't look better. I have less trouble with the look than many seem to, but you certainly didn't improve the look.

                                                2. iL Divo Aug 14, 2010 06:58 AM

                                                  i hate to be a naysayer too but I am not fond of it either.
                                                  now as with everything else that changes, like our country right now, I'll get used to it as time goes by but wish they'd not have changed it also.
                                                  it is hard to navigate

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                                                    kpaxonite Aug 14, 2010 02:07 AM

                                                    Get rid of the italics so tacky !!!!!

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                                                    1. re: kpaxonite
                                                      small h Aug 14, 2010 06:39 AM

                                                      What italics? I'm not seeing any.

                                                      1. re: small h
                                                        LindaWhit Aug 14, 2010 06:56 AM

                                                        Look below my post for the "Site Talk Board Discussions" header or in the upper right-hand corner of the entire thread for "Who's Talking", "Photo Gallery", "Video", etc.

                                                        1. re: LindaWhit
                                                          Paulustrious Aug 14, 2010 08:07 AM

                                                          I mentioned earlier that it is hard to tell without a mouseover which text is a hyperlink.

                                                          However, italics does seem to mean 'not-a-hyperlink'. Non-standard, not-intuitive for new users, but still a piece of useful information.

                                                          I'll go a little further. Hyperlinks / actions can be one of the following..

                                                          White on grey: eg Attach Photo - I'm ok with this except it is a 'button', but not button size)

                                                          White on Red: eg Post My Reply - That's OK - look like a button.

                                                          Blue on white: eg By Paulustrious. Happy with this as this colour combo is used widely throughout this site. And blue is a common colour for hyperlinks.

                                                          Blue on Grey: eg Reply. Fine with this - blue is our hyperlink colour

                                                          White on Black (See top RH corner next to Restaurants) This is a 'tab' but doesn't look like one as it doesn't have sloping sides sides. Oddly, it is clickable when you are already on the discussion page. Having a black background for an active tab is non-standard

                                                          A different white-on-red: eg Top right of page is View profile hyper-link and the restaurants tab. Two totally different things are identical colours. Confusing.

                                                          Emboldened black on white: eg the threads below under SITE TALK BOARD DISCUSSIONS below. However in many other parts of the site Emboldened black, (whether capiltalised or not) are not links.

                                                          The tabs in the search area (top right) do not follow the colour pattern of the main tabs on the same page.

                                                          Below the "Back to the Site Talk board has a red link, and on the same line "Back to the top' is a blue link. The red one looks a bit more dangerous.

                                                          The links at the very bottom of the page (eg About) are underlined when you mouseover, but that is rarely used elsewhere

                                                          Grey on white can be either on the same page. eg, go to a profile page and the Blog is a link. Best-meal-I-ever-met is not. However the type faces are identical

                                                          Gray on pale gray. Eg 'advertising links to other cbs sites frequently seen beneath the advertisements on the right. There are other bits on the same page which are same colour but not a link.

                                                          Another unusual behaviour. If you are at the 'index' of a board you can click the board name to stay where you are. ie it's a refresh.

                                                          None of these are in themselves bad, but confusion and intuition are on opposite sides of the see-saw.

                                                          1. re: Paulustrious
                                                            Paulustrious Aug 14, 2010 08:35 AM

                                                            Just remembered something from when I first came to this site. I worked out you could expand a collapsed thread that if you clicked on the date. It was maybe two weeks before I realised you could click anywhere on the bar to expand it. It took even longer to find out that you could click "re: LindaWhit" to expand the earlier thread. There is no visual cue at all that this is an option.

                                                            1. re: Paulustrious
                                                              soupkitten Aug 20, 2010 01:31 PM

                                                              ""It took even longer to find out that you could click "re: LindaWhit" to expand the earlier thread. There is no visual cue at all that this is an option."

                                                              um, okay, so that's cool. i wish i'd known about that trick for super-long subthreads w multiple same-poster replies. . . like 3 years ago.

                                                              how come all the cool features on chowhound are like a secret handshake, and nothing is straight-up intuitive-duh for the newcomer or techno-inept oldcomer (like yours truly?)

                                                              it's recipes and restaurant info, fer fook's sake. shouldn't the site be button-mashing neanderthal friendly? & if you can't navigate the site to give your cabbie a restaurant address in an unfamiliar city after 2 glasses of wine, what good is it? maybe they want to restrict the audience of the site to folks who spend all their time tech-ing out, but not cooking?

                                                              going to mash button-mushrooms now.

                                                              1. re: Paulustrious
                                                                BobB Aug 20, 2010 01:49 PM

                                                                That last one does seem to come as a surprise to many people, but it seems pretty intuitive to me. "Re" in this context meaning in response (or reply) to some previous post - that's obvious. And as soon as you mouse over that and see that it changes color to indicate a hyperlink - voila!

                                                                But then, as my wife likes to say - I'm a noticer.

                                                                1. re: BobB
                                                                  rworange Aug 20, 2010 02:31 PM

                                                                  It would be nice if the FAQ was looked at ... adding tips and how to deal with uploading photos.

                                                                  I had to go through an extensive Site Talk search to find the current info about photo uploading ... and decided ... screw it ... I'll just link to flickr.

                                                                  While "re poster" may be a hyperlink, intuitively I thought it took people to their profile page. I learned that it was (in this instance) a way to see the reply.

                                                                  >>> if you can't navigate the site to give your cabbie a restaurant address in an unfamiliar city after 2 glasses of wine, what good is it?

                                                                  Funny. Not so funny is that dead sober it is still hard to get around.

                                                                  1. re: BobB
                                                                    Paulustrious Aug 21, 2010 11:08 AM

                                                                    I too am a noticer. Comes from 35 years designing and building computer systems, interfaces and databases, the last 20 having a lot of front-end design. I've seen simple easy-to-use systems being expanded with extra facilities until it's impossible for a beginner to negotiate. I've been a spectator while new users try mine out while I keep schtum, encouraging them to ask question but refusing to answer them at that session. You sit there and watch them struggle, enter the wrong data, accidentally close windows, not know that entering the first letter of a drop down will jump them down, no idea of the difference between a dropdown listbox and a combobox. I've seen them completely miss the 'obvious' visual cues I leave around. And then I have to go back and re-engineer it until it is usable.

                                                                    There is nothing intuitive about "re: BobB". Your personal abilities, the sites you have visited before, the length of time you have been here, the amount you use your computer may mean that you find it quicker than others.

                                                                    The best designer I ever worked for, Richard D., was giving a presentation examining intuitive systems. The message was that they are all learned. Experience is the mother of intuition. He stated that there is only one intuitive control - then went to the next slide. It was a picture of a breast.

                                                                    @rworange. Every site thinks that it is important, that they want it to stand out by being different. Paraphrasing Marshall McLuhan, the medium is the message, and the visual cues allow you access to that message. I think I am not alone in rarely reading FAQs, the licensing conditions, copyright info, the links at the bottom of a page and other 'helpful' information.

                                                                    Helpful information which is separated from the situation you are in is rarely read. As I type this what do I do if I need help? If this site had the blue international 'Information Office' icon scattered round the site that opened separate help windows, that would improve initial usability drastically. As I write this it would be next to 'Post my reply', 'Attach Photo', 'Permalink | Report | Reply". Go and ask Mr Maninstreet what a permalink is. (In fact it is misused in its context on this site). Google and many other show a picture of a piece of chain and the word 'Link. It will be obvious to some that the report button produces a report that you can print off. These are things that as a system designer you think are patently obvious. They're not.

                                                                    1. re: Paulustrious
                                                                      rworange Aug 21, 2010 11:53 AM

                                                                      I'm respondig because if updating FAQ is even a glimmer in the eye of anyone at Chow, I don't want to discourage it.

                                                                      I rarely read that type of info... until I need it.

                                                                      It is not here if you need it.

                                                                      It would have been so much easier for me when trying to find out what was wrong with photo upload.

                                                                      Life is too short to spend hours here struggling to upload photos. So Chowhound has lost any photos I might provide. I just link to filckr.

                                                                      Yeah, I hear you about screen design. That's how I got my start in IT. I was doing data entry and told my boss he was throwing money away because the screens were so horrible to use. He said if I could redesign them go ahead. I did. It led to a decades long career that has taken me around the world.

                                                                      But I always sit down with the users in the design phase. Like you, I sit next to a user prior to installation and without comment watch them use the screen. If it is difficult, the design changes.

                                                                      There is a post somewhere on Site Talk by a staff member, I think, explaing how easy a certain function is despite repeated posts from many users about how difficult and unintuitive it is.

                                                                      That was my experience during a beta test. While a few things were changed based on Chowhound comments the big issues ... the ones many testers noted ... were written off because they worked fine for the staff.

                                                                      1. re: rworange
                                                                        Paulustrious Aug 21, 2010 12:08 PM

                                                                        In terms of making my response more chowish...

                                                                        Sorry - I didn't mean to teach you to suck eggs.

                                                                        O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us
                                                                        To see our sites as others see us

                                                                2. re: Paulustrious
                                                                  LindaWhit Aug 14, 2010 10:14 AM

                                                                  Sheesh, Paulustrious - whaddya want? Standardization throughout the entire site? ;-) (Would be nice, huh?)

                                                                3. re: LindaWhit
                                                                  small h Aug 14, 2010 08:15 AM

                                                                  Oh. I don't even remember whether those words were italicized in the older version. In the grand scheme, though, a few words in italics doesn't seem like that big a deal to me.

                                                                  1. re: small h
                                                                    LindaWhit Aug 14, 2010 10:14 AM

                                                                    Same with me. I rarely look at those areas that are italicized anyway. It's not going to be the way I navigate around here.

                                                              2. re: kpaxonite
                                                                SnackHappy Aug 14, 2010 10:15 AM

                                                                The italics, the extra bold and the combination of both (!!!). It's busy, ugly and obnoxious. A good designer shouldn't have to resort to that.

                                                              3. NYCkaren Aug 13, 2010 04:17 PM

                                                                I really hate it. The site was much easier to navigate before.

                                                                1. e
                                                                  elliora Aug 12, 2010 09:08 PM

                                                                  Sorry if this has been posted, but what is going on with the search page? Not that search was great before but at least it worked. Now the graphics are all messed up and overlapping each other. It not only blocks the search results but I can't go past the first page of the results.

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                                                                  1. re: elliora
                                                                    rworange Aug 12, 2010 09:45 PM

                                                                    What are you searching for?

                                                                    Now that there is a split for Chow/Restaurants/Chowhound there are fewer search results depending on where you are. There may in fact be only one page of results.

                                                                    I have been getting multiple pages.

                                                                    1. re: rworange
                                                                      grayelf Aug 13, 2010 12:31 AM

                                                                      I haven't been irked by any of the changes so far (lucky, I guess) but there is one really small thing that bugs me. Why does it now say By beside our names on each post? Isn't it kind of obvious who a post is by?

                                                                      I cut and paste a lot from this site for recommendations. All these Bys add a lot more keystrokes for me, and they just seem kind of extraneous.

                                                                      1. re: grayelf
                                                                        queencru Aug 13, 2010 04:16 AM

                                                                        I'm not sure what the alternative would be. Not everyone has an avatar, and I certainly wouldn't recognize everyone by the avatar. The simple addition of "by" really doesn't change that much since the name and date of post have always been there. If you're deleting all of that, then deleting the "by" isn't that much more effort.

                                                                        1. re: queencru
                                                                          grayelf Aug 13, 2010 01:56 PM

                                                                          I did say it was a really small thing :-).

                                                                      2. re: rworange
                                                                        elliora Aug 13, 2010 05:13 AM

                                                                        Using the search box in the top right corner. I get the multiple page correct view for a quick sec and then it gets distorted

                                                                    2. c oliver Aug 12, 2010 07:52 AM

                                                                      In the old version, six or so of the newest new threads were at the bottom of the screen with no screen name or board ID and another 10 or 12 were underneath my profile with the SN and board. I'd guess 90% of the posts I made (and I make a helluva lot of them, don't I???) originated with seeing those. Now what's at the bottom are just new posts and the thread could be years old and the ones under my profile got 86'd. It took me about a day to realize that I find that a really big problem.

                                                                      1. souschef Aug 12, 2010 07:46 AM

                                                                        SOB !! :( I miss the cheery "Hey Souschef" greeting !! :(

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                                                                        1. re: souschef
                                                                          rworange Aug 12, 2010 10:10 AM

                                                                          Yeah ... I reported that elsewhere. It made the site more personal.

                                                                        2. alkapal Aug 12, 2010 07:34 AM

                                                                          i see the collapsed boxes are now smaller. good start!

                                                                          still waiting for "all activity" to return! pleeeeeeeaaaaassseeeee!

                                                                          1. g
                                                                            GSM Aug 12, 2010 05:58 AM

                                                                            Is Chow part of some sort of government conspiracy to make us all go blind? Why must all the "upgrades" result in smaller fonts?

                                                                            1. jfood Aug 12, 2010 05:58 AM

                                                                              Add another one...

                                                                              - why is the search function different on the "my recent posts" page than the boards page?
                                                                              - the expanded "boards" after doing a search is still a mess

                                                                              1. podunkboy Aug 11, 2010 08:47 PM

                                                                                You hear that sound? That's the sound of someone removing chow.com from his favorites and going to look elsewhere on the web for a food-related site that doesn't give him motion sickness, vision problems, and narcolepsy.
                                                                                I've never seen such a counter-productive "upgrade".

                                                                                1. souschef Aug 11, 2010 08:07 PM

                                                                                  The "By" field is blank in the permalink. The next few posts also have a problem.


                                                                                  ....and Report does not work.

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                                                                                  1. re: souschef
                                                                                    tatamagouche Aug 11, 2010 08:32 PM

                                                                                    FWIW, I just "reported" your post with the Q "Does it work?" It did for me. :)

                                                                                  2. im_nomad Aug 11, 2010 08:03 PM

                                                                                    This is *new* ?

                                                                                    1. DonShirer Aug 11, 2010 05:25 PM

                                                                                      When I first saw the new setup, I, too thought IINBDFI. After working with it a couple of days, though, I realize that most of the threads I often use are obtainable in one click, so I'm happy with it now.

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                                                                                      1. re: DonShirer
                                                                                        Gio Aug 11, 2010 06:49 PM

                                                                                        Yes, I'm just hoping it grows on me too. Today I just went about my business here as if I knew what I was doing. Things really did turn out OK. Still, I can't help but disagree with all the dang white space around everything. Now, if I could just understand the little View setting top right I'd feel a lot more comfortable...

                                                                                        1. re: Gio
                                                                                          tatamagouche Aug 11, 2010 07:59 PM

                                                                                          Seriously, ALL I CARE ABOUT IS COLOR SCHEME. I'm a sucker for some good hues. If they just give me back my crimson & cream, I'm fine with everything else. (The darker gray border helps, but still. Gray signifies mold & gristle. Not an appetizing color!)

                                                                                          1. re: tatamagouche
                                                                                            RealMenJulienne Aug 13, 2010 04:00 AM

                                                                                            Yeah, the crimson and cream color scheme was a real classy combination. It reminded me of red velvet, like at an old-school French restaurant or movie theater. On the other hand this whitish gray reminds me of a cheap dress shirt I bought at Wal Mart.

                                                                                            1. re: RealMenJulienne
                                                                                              tatamagouche Aug 13, 2010 05:55 AM

                                                                                              Haha. Yes, bring back the old-school French restaurant colors!

                                                                                            2. re: tatamagouche
                                                                                              hannaone Aug 13, 2010 02:57 PM

                                                                                              This is my color scheme

                                                                                              1. re: hannaone
                                                                                                LindaWhit Aug 13, 2010 04:34 PM

                                                                                                What type of computer system are you using, hannaone? I've never seen the blue/yellow format.

                                                                                                1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                  hannaone Aug 13, 2010 09:23 PM

                                                                                                  Windows XP with Firefox - Using the Stylish add-on.

                                                                                                  Edit: Here is the style info I used in the add-on for anyone interested -

                                                                                                  @namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);

                                                                                                  @-moz-document domain("chowhound.chow.com") {}
                                                                                                  #main_body{background: #bfddee;}
                                                                                                  td h4 {background-color:#668888;}
                                                                                                  .topics_show .post,
                                                                                                  .topics_new .post,
                                                                                                  .topics_show #comments .post {border: 1px solid #9f9f9f !important; position: relative; padding:4px;}
                                                                                                  .post_body {background-color: #f1f1a9;}
                                                                                                  #post {background-color: #c1f1a9;}
                                                                                                  .topics_show .post{border:5px solid #d4d4d4;position:relative;background:#afbff1;padding:10px;}
                                                                                                  .post_title {background-color: #d1eed3;}
                                                                                                  .module {background-color: #d1eed3;}
                                                                                                  td {background-color: #d1eed3;}
                                                                                                  #gallery_module {background-color: #d1eed3;}
                                                                                                  #most_popular_module {background-color: #d1eed3;}

                                                                                                  1. re: hannaone
                                                                                                    LindaWhit Aug 14, 2010 04:22 AM

                                                                                                    Ahh, I have Windows XP with Firefox as well, but I'm not using any add-ons for appearance.

                                                                                            3. re: Gio
                                                                                              Caroline1 Aug 12, 2010 03:20 AM

                                                                                              "Now, if I could just understand the little View setting top right I'd feel a lot more comfortable..." Gio

                                                                                              Click on the tabs next to "View." They collapse and expand the Boards menu. Pretty spiffy! But I'd still rather have "All Activity" back. '-(

                                                                                              1. re: Caroline1
                                                                                                Gio Aug 12, 2010 05:46 AM

                                                                                                Thanks Caroline... I did have fun doing that for a little while yesterday but I thought it was useless.

                                                                                          2. JerryMe Aug 11, 2010 05:11 PM

                                                                                            Yeah, I'm losing the love pretty fast. Can't get or see any boards that I want . . .

                                                                                            1. s
                                                                                              SeoulQueen Aug 11, 2010 03:30 PM

                                                                                              I hate this new format! The color scheme makes the site look amateur-ish and the larger images of the advertising and other chow links take up so much space on my screen that I find myself accidentally hitting links that I didn't want. Plus the huge fonts makes me feel like I have some type of eyesight problem.

                                                                                              I hate that I can't see all the boards in one go and that boards are grouped off so that even if I hit "See all boards" it only shows the boards for that particular group. It's also slower for me now when accessing this website, probably because of all the larger images.

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                                                                                              1. re: SeoulQueen
                                                                                                queencru Aug 11, 2010 03:43 PM

                                                                                                I've heard a lot of the opposite- that the site loads faster, but I haven't really noticed a difference. Especially in the story areas, there are tons more pictures to load than there were in the previous release.

                                                                                                1. re: queencru
                                                                                                  steve h. Aug 11, 2010 04:05 PM

                                                                                                  The site loads a lot faster on my macbook pro, same for my iPhone4.
                                                                                                  I'm not a big fan of the redesign but I do appreciate the speed bump.

                                                                                              2. f
                                                                                                fussycouple Aug 11, 2010 02:23 PM

                                                                                                one more reason not to even come here, never mind post. why does this site consistently get worse instead of better?

                                                                                                1. jfood Aug 11, 2010 12:56 PM

                                                                                                  Here's another one

                                                                                                  - minimize the top top (where the board names are
                                                                                                  - perform a search
                                                                                                  - then with the results page open, open the top box

                                                                                                  Result = Board names and refine search page overlaid on top of each other...many guffaw.

                                                                                                  1. c
                                                                                                    ChowHQ Aug 11, 2010 11:08 AM

                                                                                                    Update here - some fixes are coming please see this thread for details - http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7241...

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                                                                                                    1. re: CHOW HQ
                                                                                                      Paulustrious Aug 11, 2010 11:50 AM

                                                                                                      I never knew about that thread...

                                                                                                      I should have.

                                                                                                      1. re: CHOW HQ
                                                                                                        tatamagouche Aug 11, 2010 12:59 PM

                                                                                                        Thx, ChowHQ, for listening and responding!

                                                                                                      2. thew Aug 11, 2010 10:50 AM

                                                                                                        just want to dd that every browser has a simple way to set font size

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                                                                                                        1. re: thew
                                                                                                          JasmineG Aug 11, 2010 10:57 AM

                                                                                                          The problem (as many have stated) is that while font size is enormous inside threads, it's the regular size on the board list, so you would have to keep changing font size back and forth while reading the boards to keep it readable. That's not a good workaround. The huge amounts of white space are even worse than the huge font size, though.

                                                                                                        2. q
                                                                                                          queencru Aug 11, 2010 10:42 AM

                                                                                                          I'm still not seeing any way to get directly to stories of a certain type. For instance, if I want to see a list of Table Manners posts, I have to go to the newest one posted on the main Chow page and then click Table Manners, or I have to find it on the Top Posts list. Now from My Chow, it takes a minimum of 4 clicks to get to a story of interest that isn't the newest or listed in the Top stories, while before it took two.

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                                                                                                          1. re: queencru
                                                                                                            LNG212 Aug 11, 2010 10:46 AM

                                                                                                            Yeah, I posted about that too. I like the series of pictures of the stories across the top format. But I thought if I click on the one that says Table Manners, then I should to the Table Manners list. I should not go to the current story. If I wanted the current story, I would have clicked on that story's title.

                                                                                                            I think the "too many clicks" problem is all over this site now. They've made it unwieldly to navigate.

                                                                                                            1. re: LNG212
                                                                                                              queencru Aug 11, 2010 11:42 AM

                                                                                                              I asked about this issue yesterday and was told we'd get a right-side nav, which I have yet to see. It's just the three most recent posts in a small box to the right of the big scrolling picture on the main Chow page, and the scrolling video selector on the right in the Top Stories area. There's also a lot more scrolling when I get to the Table Manners (or other) section because the icon is now gigantic.

                                                                                                          2. s
                                                                                                            sadarami Aug 11, 2010 10:24 AM

                                                                                                            what happended to the option to view posts by Date Started? I am not that interested in the 112th post on some string started 2 years ago and would much rather just keep an eye on the new stuff.

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                                                                                                            1. re: sadarami
                                                                                                              rworange Aug 11, 2010 11:25 AM

                                                                                                              When you are in search, click on the view tab to the right of the page to display advanced search options. There you have an options to select a date range.

                                                                                                              1. re: rworange
                                                                                                                sadarami Aug 12, 2010 07:03 AM

                                                                                                                I don't want to have to go through a search to simply view a Board. The previous version let you view posts by either Last Post of Date Started. Why would they remove that option in the new and "improved" release?

                                                                                                                1. re: sadarami
                                                                                                                  rworange Aug 12, 2010 10:08 AM

                                                                                                                  I misunderstood what you said. I thought you were talking about search.

                                                                                                                  It is still on your "My Chow page" I think ... Sort by: recent activity | my post date

                                                                                                                  I have mine set to recen activity. Has the results for the other link changed?

                                                                                                            2. s
                                                                                                              soupkitten Aug 11, 2010 09:20 AM

                                                                                                              so i timed it and as of this post, it's a full minute of scrolling to get from op to the end of the thread. i just don't think the site can deal with the loss of interest and boredom that regular users will get from this, if there isn't a pretty quick fix.

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                                                                                                              1. re: soupkitten
                                                                                                                LindaWhit Aug 11, 2010 09:22 AM

                                                                                                                I usually use the Page Down/Up keys to quickly scroll to find open/New posts.

                                                                                                                1. re: soupkitten
                                                                                                                  JoanN Aug 11, 2010 10:00 AM

                                                                                                                  One thing I have noticed re: scrolling that’s significantly better than it had been before is that if you drag your browser’s scroll button with your mouse, you can go right to the bottom of even a fairly long thread such as this one. It used to be that I would pull the button all the way down and it would keep creeping up on it’s own while the threads continued to load. I assume this means that the long threads are loading a lot more quickly than they used to.

                                                                                                                  1. re: JoanN
                                                                                                                    queencru Aug 11, 2010 10:06 AM

                                                                                                                    That doesn't work if you're on a netbook/laptop. I know on my MacBook it tends to get stuck in that scrolling mode and isn't worth the frustration.

                                                                                                                    1. re: queencru
                                                                                                                      soupkitten Aug 11, 2010 10:16 AM

                                                                                                                      yes, a lot of the time i'm on a small laptop w no page up/down keys (maybe there is a function i don't know about/use), no external mouse. still and all, i think JoanN's observation may be right-- the site seems to load the long threads faster now, and zooming to the end of a long thread, without accidentally skipping a new response in the middle, seems to be easier.

                                                                                                                      i still think the site looks like an iphone app that the rest of us are trying to figure out desktop computer and laptop work-arounds for. and what about new users? should they be expected to like the look/navigation and jump thru the hoops to get some usability out of the site?

                                                                                                                      1. re: soupkitten
                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Aug 11, 2010 10:25 AM

                                                                                                                        sk, do you have a CTRL key? Perhaps using that and the up or down arrow would work?

                                                                                                                        1. re: soupkitten
                                                                                                                          rworange Aug 11, 2010 11:17 AM

                                                                                                                          For years I have been whining about how much slower Chowhound is than any other site on the web.

                                                                                                                          I have to agree with JoanN that things are zippier now. I'm on a little netbook usually. However, both my pc's show a significant improvement in terms of response.

                                                                                                                        2. re: queencru
                                                                                                                          JoanN Aug 11, 2010 10:47 AM

                                                                                                                          Sure it does. You just move the cursor over to the slider and drag it down using your finger instead of a mouse. Ctrl > Page down is faster, but then you have to scroll up again. I like dragging whatever that scrolling button is called because I can go at the speed I want, slowing down if I think there might be replies in the middle of a long thread.

                                                                                                                          I guess it depends on how you're used to working, but for me the scrolling--both on my desktop and my laptop--seems to be faster and more efficient despite the threads taking up much more vertical space.

                                                                                                                          ETA: Not sure what you mean about getting stuck scrolling on a Macbook. Just turned on my Macbook to try it to make sure and didn't have any trouble at all.

                                                                                                                    2. d
                                                                                                                      danny_w Aug 11, 2010 08:54 AM

                                                                                                                      There is far too much wasted space (posts only take about 1/4 of width), requires way too much scrolling, and too white (strains the eyes) and . Please change it back! There may be other good changes in the new design, but these 2 things keep me from being able to see anything good about it.

                                                                                                                      1. HillJ Aug 11, 2010 08:32 AM

                                                                                                                        I believe they call it de ja vu!

                                                                                                                        stick around for the days of wine & roses posts
                                                                                                                        and the pointing out the obvious posts or
                                                                                                                        the just recognize that the obvious is just that posts
                                                                                                                        or the come back when the dusts settles posts

                                                                                                                        does anyone have a job anymore
                                                                                                                        wowzer people
                                                                                                                        life ain't perfect.

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                                                                                                                        1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                          tatamagouche Aug 11, 2010 09:03 AM

                                                                                                                          Therefore no one should try to bring about change?

                                                                                                                        2. Withnail42 Aug 11, 2010 08:00 AM

                                                                                                                          Day two eyes still hurting.

                                                                                                                          1. b
                                                                                                                            Brad Ballinger Aug 11, 2010 07:58 AM

                                                                                                                            Piling on... more clicks = bad. Always.

                                                                                                                            1. c oliver Aug 11, 2010 07:38 AM

                                                                                                                              After a great night's sleep, I got to wondering. What do you suppose CH based the decision on to make these changes? Was it user input or IT people? My husband worked for several years as kind of the "conduit" (my term) between the IT people and the users at his company. There was a serious disconnect cause the IT folks just wanted to design what THEY thought the users should use. Bob's background was on the operations end of the business but he had just enough IT knowledge to translate for both groups. Seems like this isn't what happened here. Just a few first-cup-of-coffee thoughts.

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                                                                                                                              1. re: c oliver
                                                                                                                                tatamagouche Aug 11, 2010 07:42 AM

                                                                                                                                I think Carswell's theory that it was done for mobile/tablet users makes sense...

                                                                                                                                Of course, confirming that would be easy. I use almost no apps on my iPhone precisely b/c reading a screen that small & typing w/ one finger is a PITA. And I don't have/need an iPad. But can anyone who does report?

                                                                                                                                1. re: tatamagouche
                                                                                                                                  JoanN Aug 11, 2010 08:19 AM

                                                                                                                                  Don't have a phone or a pad, but just checked it out on my iPod Touch. First let me say I spent practically no time on either CHOW or CH on my Touch but I can say this: The type, when a whole line fits on the screen, is readable. Before, to make the type readable, I had to enlarge it so that I couldn't see both the beginning and the end of a line on the screen at the same time. And on the Touch you don't see any of the vast real estate on either side of the comments panel. It's really quite neat and clean.

                                                                                                                                  I think you may have hit the nail on the head, tatamagouche.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: tatamagouche
                                                                                                                                    soupkitten Aug 11, 2010 08:20 AM

                                                                                                                                    judging from the comments on Jfood's thread for positive comments, almost everyone with something positive to say is saying the phone app is much improved-- see Jfood's post below.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: soupkitten
                                                                                                                                      tatamagouche Aug 11, 2010 08:26 AM

                                                                                                                                      Haven't looked at that thread yet. Will now. Would be interesting to see the numbers on users by types of device.

                                                                                                                                      Still, isn't the assumption basically correct that iPhone screen use/iPad use will always be supplementary to computer/laptop use? Or is that just me?

                                                                                                                                      1. re: tatamagouche
                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Aug 11, 2010 08:41 AM

                                                                                                                                        That's exactly what I thought - wonder what the user numbers would be for iPhone/iPad vs. desktop/laptop?

                                                                                                                                        I still go back to the Beta testing. Was NONE of this properly tested on all formats to make it really usable for all? There's been no response to my several queries about testing. Was testing done in-house by the IT folk? Or were long-time users allowed to test? I can't believe that long-term users who had seen a facsimile of the site as it was rolled out yesterday would have thought it was usable.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: tatamagouche
                                                                                                                                          shanagain Aug 11, 2010 08:49 AM

                                                                                                                                          Please know that I've forgotten nearly everything I knew from my designing/developing days, so my terminology is rusty as hell, and the last thing I worked extensively with were .asp /vb.net pages. On top of that, I don't want to be too confusing.

                                                                                                                                          When you design a web page, you (generally) put a little javascriptlet in the code that identifies the incoming browser. If your user is coming from Chrome with a 1280x760 resolution, you will need to have things render a little differently than if they're using IE, 800x600. Basically, the script tells the server to display the page a certain way depending on the user.

                                                                                                                                          So as things have changed, I'm sure they've changed so that the browser-checker reads & directs iPad users to a slightly different rendering (so the page will show correctly) than a traditional user.

                                                                                                                                          Why are we all being subjected to an iPad/phone friendly rendition when it's so easy to simply create a different style/theme/schema based on the user's interface?

                                                                                                                                          1. re: shanagain
                                                                                                                                            jgg13 Aug 11, 2010 01:06 PM

                                                                                                                                            These days a lot of things are done with floating design & proportional specifications. So instead of telling a widget to take up 500 pixels you tell it to take up 25% of the screen. That gets around that sorta thing.

                                                                                                                                            Not everyone likes this because it can cause things to look wacky for extreme browser sizes, resolutions, etc ... the people that want you to always see *exactly* what they see, even if it's terribly annoying for others.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: jgg13
                                                                                                                                              shanagain Aug 11, 2010 01:15 PM

                                                                                                                                              That had just started taking over when I was easing out, but I remember that I used a script to tell me (well, the server) if the rendering was going to a mobile device or more traditional browser, because at the time it was a pain to write. (Then I got visual studio.) But the point being - that still has to be an option in most development/authoring, right?

                                                                                                                                              I know there are a ton of sites I go to that redirect me to their mobile site if I'm browsing on my phone (and at times I hate that, too).

                                                                                                                                              1. re: shanagain
                                                                                                                                                jgg13 Aug 11, 2010 01:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                They should be able to tell that from the useragent, although those things aren't 100% reliable (like all of the idiots who spoof their browsers UA to tell the server that they're using IE so they can view a site properly instead of simply voting with their feet and eschewing sites which claim to only work with IE) - I would assume that's now most sites do that sort of thing. I'm not really an expert by any means.

                                                                                                                                    2. re: c oliver
                                                                                                                                      jfood Aug 11, 2010 07:52 AM

                                                                                                                                      What jfood finds interesting is the positive responses from the I-Phoners and the thrasing from the computer people. Blackberry access still stinks big time, this site is, well, less than well-received.

                                                                                                                                      Could CBS have assigned this to the wrong skill set, i.e. the i-phoner? Are they more focused there than here? Has ANYONE who was involved in the Beta Test stepped up on this Board to say either yup there was a good cross-section or Wow that is not what the beta site looked like (jfood has a real hard time believing most of these guffaws would not have been caught in a well designed beta).

                                                                                                                                      It just makes NO sense that this got past beta and into the CH domain.

                                                                                                                                      PS - Jfood humbly apologizes that his three paragraph response encompasses anyone's ENTIRE screen). As little jfood would say "That is so not my fault."

                                                                                                                                      1. re: jfood
                                                                                                                                        ChowHQ Aug 11, 2010 08:46 AM

                                                                                                                                        Hi Jfood - We are just as invested in developing a better Blackberry experience as the Iphone and Android experiences. The goal is to have the Blackberry site redesigned by the end of the year.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: CHOW HQ
                                                                                                                                          jfood Aug 11, 2010 11:01 AM

                                                                                                                                          jfood just did a similar prioritization analysis w his business and will give this advice. roll out things that are tested and customer focused and do NOT try to boil the ocean. This on-line relase probably means the latter point was not adhered to.

                                                                                                                                        2. re: jfood
                                                                                                                                          iluvtennis Aug 13, 2010 02:42 PM

                                                                                                                                          I tested it on my ipad, and yes, it's better than it was before, but i rarely even care to look at chow on my ipad. That's not what i use ipad for so i really don't care if they improved it for ipad or not. Do most people who have an ipad or blackberry have a computer as well. I would still think most of your viewership would come from computers...isn't there a way you can make it friendly for all kinds of users???? please!

                                                                                                                                      2. SanityRemoved Aug 11, 2010 06:21 AM

                                                                                                                                        I'm about two feet away from a 27" monitor. I read this thread and the eye strain is incredible. If this was a tv show it would be off the air within three episodes of its new season. Very disappointing considering this was my favorite food site.

                                                                                                                                        1. g
                                                                                                                                          Glendale is hungry Aug 11, 2010 06:07 AM

                                                                                                                                          It looks as though someone threw a bunch of little items like toy jacks onto a blazing white counter top. Everything appears to float across the screen. It's hard to follow what is in line on the left with what is on the right.

                                                                                                                                          DUMP THIS! IT'S A COMPLETE DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                          1. alkapal Aug 11, 2010 04:32 AM

                                                                                                                                            i just noticed that collapsed replies don't have the avatars showing. did they in the past?

                                                                                                                                            i thought i used them to "spot" my posts or certain posters who have "non-standard" avatars.

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                                                                                                                                            1. re: alkapal
                                                                                                                                              BobB Aug 11, 2010 04:47 AM

                                                                                                                                              No, they never did, just the names. The avatars collect at the top right. No change there.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: BobB
                                                                                                                                                alkapal Aug 11, 2010 05:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                thanks. maybe it seemed "odd" because there is so much space around the collapsed posts (within even the "reply box").

                                                                                                                                            2. k
                                                                                                                                              kpaxonite Aug 11, 2010 12:44 AM

                                                                                                                                              Im seriously about to stop using CH this is ridiculous

                                                                                                                                              1. Peripatetic Aug 10, 2010 10:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                For me, the single biggest annoyance introduced by the redesign is the amount of space taken up by unexpanded replies. Previously they had thin borders and a small amount of white space. Now they have wide borders, a generous complement of white space. Moreover, there's now even whitespace _between_ the replies!

                                                                                                                                                This makes for a lot of work when scrolling through large, frequently read threads.

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                                                                                                                                                1. re: Peripatetic
                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Aug 11, 2010 06:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                  The white space around collapsed posts has been addressed in a separate thread and will be fixed, per the CH Engineering Team.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                    soupkitten Aug 11, 2010 08:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                    woo hoo! that's a good step that will eliminate some of the scrolling issue.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                      Peripatetic Aug 11, 2010 06:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                      Yay, and like magic, it's fixed! Thanks!

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                        ibew292 Aug 12, 2010 05:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                        This change is the best part of the new release. If we keep complaining maybe we can get them to change it more towards the way it used to be.

                                                                                                                                                    2. alkapal Aug 10, 2010 09:31 PM


                                                                                                                                                      how much empty, glaring space!!

                                                                                                                                                      how much "scrolling, scrolling, scrolling,... rawhide!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m9BG_...

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                                                                                                                                                      1. re: alkapal
                                                                                                                                                        Caroline1 Aug 10, 2010 09:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                        Not to worry! CBS created it so they can fill it with new and future ads. It won't be bare long. Have faith!

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: alkapal
                                                                                                                                                          soupkitten Aug 10, 2010 10:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                          for sure. there should be "space and stars" on both sides of the response boxes, and the theme to "star wars" playing, while we're doing all this endless scrolling. at least it would be easier on the eyes and entertaining, at least for the first 3 or 4 times.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: soupkitten
                                                                                                                                                            kpaxonite Aug 10, 2010 10:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                            I dont know if you are serious but to me it looks like they created a site a site for handicapped or mobile users.

                                                                                                                                                        2. Caroline1 Aug 10, 2010 09:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                          For what it's worth, I've been tied up most of the day and came to Chowhound around ten tonight, my time (CST). I've read nearly all of the complaints so far and am forced to assume many of the problems have been taken care of. Is this true?

                                                                                                                                                          I keep three different browsers loaded and have tried the site with IE, Chrome, and Firefox. The problems that jfood talks about with missing or only partially visible letters only happens on IE for me. Both Chrome and Firefox are pretty clear. But Chowhound and IE have been incompatible on my computer for quite some time. In fact, that is the reason I have the other two browsers loaded. They're carry overs from the last site revision.

                                                                                                                                                          I'm not sure what all the talk about lousy fonts is about. I use Arial as my default font in my "Display" preferences in my Windows Control Panel, and that's the font that shows up on Chow and Chowhound. In other words, I see no font changes between the new and the old versions.

                                                                                                                                                          For the record, I had grey type face before and I have gray typeface now, except for things in Big Bold Black, such as titles and such. As a work around for those who may have problems with a lighter gray than is comfortable, I find that when that happens, I just hi light what I want to read, and it's much clearer.

                                                                                                                                                          I have noooooo idea of how bad things may have been this morning, but this late in the day (night), it doesn't look all that bad to me. Yes, there are things that are changed, but they seem to be fairly intuitive, and I'm figuring them out. So from me a tentative "Good job," but I strongly reserve the right to bitch my head off if I change my mind! '-)

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                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Caroline1
                                                                                                                                                            JasmineG Aug 10, 2010 09:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                            You may have something special set up with your fonts, because the font is still enormous and there's still a crazy amount of white space on the page. No improvements have been made (on those fronts) since this morning. It literally hurts my eyes to have even typed this reply, because it's just glaring on the page, I had to look away while typing.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: JasmineG
                                                                                                                                                              Caroline1 Aug 10, 2010 10:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                              Sounds like you need to adjust the brightness on your monitor! That sounds painful.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Caroline1
                                                                                                                                                                JasmineG Aug 10, 2010 10:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Well, I would rather not, because all of the other websites that I visit don't have this kind of white space, so this current Chow is the only one that hurts my eyes like this. I'm not going to adjust my monitor for one site.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Caroline1
                                                                                                                                                                  rworange Aug 10, 2010 10:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  Then a lot of people n this thread and others need to adjust brightness .,, for once site ... since the new release.

                                                                                                                                                                  The type shrinks in the replies and is smaller than in the OP. Here's a screen print if you are not seeing the same on your computer.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: rworange
                                                                                                                                                                    Caroline1 Aug 10, 2010 11:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    Here's what I'm seeing. Seems logical that the differences have to be due to the way we each have our computers and monitors set up. If it was a site problem, we'd both be seeing the same thing. Or so it seems to me. As you see, I'm using Firefox, not IE.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Caroline1
                                                                                                                                                                      kpaxonite Aug 11, 2010 12:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      the vertical piling of photos in enlarged mode is so annoying!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: kpaxonite
                                                                                                                                                                        Caroline1 Aug 11, 2010 05:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        Not a problem for me. I simply never look at that side of the page! '-)

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Caroline1
                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit Aug 11, 2010 06:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          I think kpaxonite means when a member posts photos in their own post - if there are multiple photos posted, they are now all vertical vs. the thumbnails being in a horizontal line.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                            c oliver Aug 11, 2010 06:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            So is that just for new posts? I just checked one from a few days ago and they're still horizontal.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: c oliver
                                                                                                                                                                              chowdom Aug 11, 2010 06:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Did you click to enlarge?

                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Aug 11, 2010 06:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Check out the photos in this Permalink in silvia_italy's thread about Eat Pray Love food:


                                                                                                                                                                              Click on the first photo, and you'll see what I mean after scrolling to see the thumbnails of the other photos.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                                chowdom Aug 11, 2010 06:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                You can read more advertisements this way.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: chowdom
                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Aug 11, 2010 06:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  I've got an AdBlocker installed, so I'm not seeing all the ads that others seem to be seeing. :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                                    kpaxonite Aug 11, 2010 06:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    exactly what I was about to say lol

                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                                  c oliver Aug 11, 2010 06:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Ah, I see now.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Caroline1
                                                                                                                                                                            queencru Aug 11, 2010 04:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            I don't think it has anything to do with monitor/computer setup. It's possible to change the defaults, but for those people who just allow pages to come up as they are designed, the page should come up as it shows up on rworange's screen. I use a MacBook and a PC with Firefox, and both have the same huge font issues. All I can see on my MacBook now is your post and this reply window. If your post were just a few lines longer, I would have to scroll to be able to read it all.

                                                                                                                                                                            It's not possible to shrink the font because then the Reply links and the text in the Reply window would be almost microscopic. The contrast in the font sizes means that we're pretty much stuck with the way it is.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: queencru
                                                                                                                                                                              alkapal Aug 11, 2010 04:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              >>>"""All I can see on my MacBook now is your post and this reply window. If your post were just a few lines longer, I would have to scroll to be able to read it all.""""<<<

                                                                                                                                                                              creencru and caroline, it is the same here about how much screen space is taken up.

                                                                                                                                                                              i am on a macbook pro and use safari, without any tweaks to any settings.

                                                                                                                                                                          3. re: rworange
                                                                                                                                                                            carswell Aug 11, 2010 06:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            You're seriously suggesting that people whose monitors are set to work properly with other sites, whose monitors were set to work properly with the former site, should now adjust their monitors every time they drop by Chowhound? Or use workarounds like Ctrl - to reduce the font size when they read a thread and then Ctrl + to enlarge the font size when they look at the thread listing or go to another site? Are you aware how many hundreds of times a day some of us would have to do this? And that's in addition to all the extra clicks and scrolling that the new design already forces us to do?

                                                                                                                                                                            Or maybe you're suggesting that we all switch to Microsoft Explorer <shudder> just for this website so that pages render correctly?

                                                                                                                                                                            The new release is deeply flawed. It breaks several basic tenets of good interface design: make things simpler; reduce clicking, scrolling and mouse movement; minimize eye strain; make how to do things obvious; increase functionality; display more useful information per screen (not less); use standard settings; adapt to the user (don't make the user adapt to you); and so on.

                                                                                                                                                                            One can only conclude that most of these changes are intended to improve the interface not for computer users but for mobile phone and tablet users. In other words, the redesign -- along with earlier fluff like the mapping function, brain-dead autolinking function, restaurant section, useless eye-candy and, even (I suspect) the Chow section -- is geared to gaining new occasional users, new eyeballs (and thus advertising dollars), not to making the lives of longtime hounds (who are also the main content providers) any more pleasant or easier. Thanks, CBS!

                                                                                                                                                                    2. rworange Aug 10, 2010 08:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      I miss the black "special coverage tabs at the top of the page. That was another feature that occasionally drew me over to Chow.

                                                                                                                                                                      Frankly, because I increase font size to read the site without glasses, the right hand side is mostly cut off, so I'm not catching the Chow stories and videos there.

                                                                                                                                                                      I rarely look at the bottom of the screen once I've read the last post.

                                                                                                                                                                      It was also a nice informational place to announce site changes. I doubt most people read Site Talk. I usually only catch up on posts there when something is going wrong with the site or there is some major change.

                                                                                                                                                                      As to the bottom of the page, the grouping was better before where the Chowhound information was to the left and the rest of the Chow info was grouped together

                                                                                                                                                                      The old format

                                                                                                                                                                      Boards Recipes Stories Blogs

                                                                                                                                                                      The new format

                                                                                                                                                                      Recipes Discussion Stories Video

                                                                                                                                                                      So instead of
                                                                                                                                                                      Chowhound Chow Chow Chow it is
                                                                                                                                                                      Chow Chowhound Chow Chow

                                                                                                                                                                      Maybe you can consider moving the Chowhound links at the bottom of the page back to the far left

                                                                                                                                                                      Speaking of cutting off part of the screen. Why can't the tabs at the top of the page for "choose a board" and "Show saved boards" just toggle on and off by hitting the tab. When I increase my screen size it means I need to scroll right to expand or collapse that section.

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                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: rworange
                                                                                                                                                                        Paulustrious Aug 10, 2010 09:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        All good points.

                                                                                                                                                                        They really do need a designer. And by that I do not mean someone who responds to technological issues, but to create an intuitive design. The only problem is that it will alienate the old guard :-}

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Paulustrious
                                                                                                                                                                          c oliver Aug 11, 2010 07:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          I think you've given some great input here. But re your last sentence here, the "old guard" seem to be as vociferous in their criticims as anyone else :)

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                                                                                                                                                                        pasuga Aug 10, 2010 08:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        Agree... too much white and not as easy to navigate. It was a really attractive and an easy site to read and click through before.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. c oliver Aug 10, 2010 07:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          Where's the Chowhound Team et al? Seems like they've been conspicuously quiet the last number of hours. We're giving feedback; I think we'd like some acknowledgment at least,if not a commitment to stop fixing things that aren't broke :)

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                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: c oliver
                                                                                                                                                                            Chris VR Aug 10, 2010 08:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            It's 8pm on the West Coast. Even software engineers get to go home (says the wife of a software engineer.)

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Chris VR
                                                                                                                                                                              c oliver Aug 10, 2010 08:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Oops, you're right :) Sorry about that. Sleep tight, kiddos. You've got a big day ahead of you!

                                                                                                                                                                          2. the_MU Aug 10, 2010 07:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Too much white space around each post. Takes up way too much room.

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                                                                                                                                                                              monku Aug 10, 2010 07:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              My finger's getting tired scrolling at least twice as much.

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                                                                                                                                                                              chocolatstiletto Aug 10, 2010 07:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              I've been lurking and posting on Chowhound for something like four or five years, and I abhor the gray scheme after ten minutes of dealing with the icebergs floating around the replies in this thread. And I'm twenty-three. How is this supposed to be useful for reading recipes, or any of the large, paragraph-heavy restaurant reports? This feels like m.chowhound-- something designed for my ipod, in which the fonts are clunky and the sizes larger to accommodate the tiny screen. But I'm reading this on a 15 inch laptop screen, and it's ridiculous. Even pinching in (macbookpro) only makes it slightly more legible for quick scanning, and the font sizes are irregular and disproportionate to their roles. Seriously, this is making me rethink my chowhound addiction, because I use my laptop as a cookbook, and no part of me wants to pore over the site with the redesign.

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                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: chocolatstiletto
                                                                                                                                                                                winedude Aug 10, 2010 07:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                Please please please cut down on the whiteness, and increase the font size!

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                                                                                                                                                                                Star12 Aug 10, 2010 06:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                I do not like this either. Also the name of the poster is overprinted by the date and time on my screen, and as I type the letters are squished together or spread apart in the same word and it looks like poor type as you would find on packages of frozen oriental foods, or instructions to a gadget made in an asian factory. And the posts are just not easy to read. too much line space. Also the site is no longer user friendly. Ugh.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. Josh Aug 10, 2010 06:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Who moved my cheese?

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. agoodbite Aug 10, 2010 06:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Wow. I'm blinded by all the whiteness and unwieldy is euphemistic where navigation is concerned. The revamp is deeply flawed just as most corporate overhauls are. It's push push push then go live before any of the major issues are resolved. You've got a captive audience here. Why don't you listen to us?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: agoodbite
                                                                                                                                                                                      kpaxonite Aug 10, 2010 06:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Seriously... I wonder if any other thread has gotten 220 or so replies his fast before.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      randyjl Aug 10, 2010 06:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Why do so many web designers think they can "improve"? I have known at least 2 sites that have gone down in flames because the new, improved design was so unfriendly! I hope this does not happen to Chowhound. I will miss it!

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. JohnE O Aug 10, 2010 06:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Terrible, clunky and totally not needed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Cachetes Aug 10, 2010 04:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          The aesthetics of this new version are horrible. My world just got a little bit colder and uglier.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. The Professor Aug 10, 2010 04:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            Why do they do this???
                                                                                                                                                                                            The new layout is a disaster.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I vote "no"

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                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: The Professor
                                                                                                                                                                                              Kajikit Aug 10, 2010 04:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              I've just come to the board for the first time since they rolled out the new format. And I HATE IT! The new menu at the top of the page is meh... I could get used to it. But I can't read the messages (or the thread titles) to save my life. They're way too small and squashed up. What purpose does it serve to have the 'side bar' virtually the same width as the actual message screen? Oh yes, it's to make sure that we can't miss seeing the advertising. I've got eyestrain just from trying to write this post. For pity's sake, please make the font larger!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Kajikit
                                                                                                                                                                                                greygarious Aug 10, 2010 05:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                I propped a piece of cardboard against the right half of the screen to cut the glare - maybe if we all do that the advertiser complaints will make the PTB fix the problem. In the interest of full disclosure, I've never clicked on a CH ad but I imagine the buyers would be a little peeved that I am not even SEEING them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: greygarious
                                                                                                                                                                                                  BMartin Aug 10, 2010 06:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  That seems like a viable way to cut the horrible glare--using the cardboard. Otherwise my eyes start to get tired. I always change my backgrounds in word processing programs etc to a light blue to eliminate the glare.

                                                                                                                                                                                            2. c oliver Aug 10, 2010 04:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              This spacing issue is ridiculous. I posted a two line reply to someone's three line post and it took up almost the entire screen. Come on, people.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Just for a test, I saved a board. Seems like it was more clicks than just using the old dropdown menu.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. c oliver Aug 10, 2010 04:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                I just did a search and when I got the page, it wouldn't let me click on any of them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Father Kitchen Aug 10, 2010 04:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I find it difficult to navigate, and my computer froze the first time I tried to get on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. k
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Kelli2006 Aug 10, 2010 03:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    It takes more clicks to navigate to the boards that I read because the drop down menus are gone. The old site was very usable so why the change?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I might check back in a week.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. mcf Aug 10, 2010 03:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I hate it, too, but change is hard when an old, comfortable familiar isn't. So I'm giving it a while before I start whining in earnest, just to be fair. Maybe I'll get more used to it, but as hard as it is to imagine it possible, I think they've made it more clunky than before.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Being a CH mod must feel like a dirty, thankless job tonight; I'm sure they anticipated some revolt. :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        vinhotinto75 Aug 10, 2010 03:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        This is simply dreadful and pathetic! Somebody needs to be made redundant over the decision to change the site, yet knowing how the other CBS sites have gone, that person will probably be promoted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Have you ever heard of a focus group or beta testing? Evidently not...

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. SnackHappy Aug 10, 2010 03:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm willing to give this thing a bit of time before passing judgement, but the love of Pete get rid of the italics!

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. ibew292 Aug 10, 2010 03:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            This is the worst change to date. Don't you ever do any testing?? You really can be stupid!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. JMF Aug 10, 2010 03:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Lousy design, clunky, ugly, not user friendly, and painful to look at. Tried to sign in and it froze up. Had to close browser and reopen and then I was logged in. What morons built this and who tested it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. Paulustrious Aug 10, 2010 03:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                A roll-back is usually very difficult as there may have been database changes. Since I spent twenty years writing and designing user interfaces there are a few things that come to mind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1) The roll-out isn't smooth, but in a web world that's ok. Any updates to the web servers are immediately reflected. (As opposed to a new release of, say, Microsoft word.) It's usually considered bad practice to use your users to debug the software, but that stuff happens.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                2) When a change is made the current users invariably dislike it. However give the system to a new user, let them use it for a while and then put them on the old system and they will (also invariably) cry foul.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                3) The older you are the more likely you will dislike change. Sorry - it's human nature.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                4) The 'thread space' is more open and cleaner. There are fewer disruptive elements on the screen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                5) The facility to select your boards is good even if it has a few errors. Odd that Chow did not go with the current convention of saying 'My Boards'. Following conventions like that make it easier on new users.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                There are a number of facilities that were missing and still are:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1) There is little in the profile that allows you to modify your environment. This includes font size and contrast, especially to those who are older or who have poorer vision. For the main thread area black on white is fine. Pink on red and shadowed red areas are not good design. Remember that you can use ctrl +/- to change font sizes. OI the right of the thread area in the 'Most Popular' section the headings (such as recipe) is grey-on-grey. Not a great choice even when you are trying to de-emphasize. Additionally, in chow, it is not immediately obvious which emboldened text is a hyperlink. There is no consistency. This does not matter to most of us as we are 'used to it'. It is difficult to be a designer and see things through fresh eyes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                6) Ease of use facilities are still missing: Here are a few:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                * No way of jumping or automatically positioning on the next unread message:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                * If you hover over things there are no tips. An example of this would be in a message where it shows the higher level poster. (ie where it says "re: kpaxonite" in this message. ) I would like a little pop-up box that shows the message.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                * Navigation is not intuitive

                                                                                                                                                                                                                7) And then there are many 'odd' things that we just accept as normal. For example, why does the '+ Attach Photo" bar extend the full width? forcing "Post my reply" to be on another line

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'll stop here before I come across totally negative.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Paulustrious
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jgg13 Aug 10, 2010 04:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  As someone else upthread pointed out - the ability to change font on the fly doesn't really help because the main problem is the font and size in *only* the messages in the thread but the changes are applied across the whole thread. My main issue is that I see far less content in one screen than I did before (and I"m not talking about 'busy' content like random adverts and such, but actual posts)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Paulustrious Aug 11, 2010 11:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I had the opposite of a deja vu moment before I realised that up-thread in this case was also down-time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am not entirely sure why this 'message column' is a fixed width, except that it does give the advertising a better chance of being seen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I agree about the quantity of messages that are visible at any given moment. The message perimeters are a touch wide. There are approximately 5 lines lost between the last line of message x and the start of message x+1. In terms of compacting, if you reply to a message, then the space surrounding the your reply text is a lot less.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As an aside, I never understood why we were given such a small area to enter a reply. You end up scrolling as you try to read your response if it is over 5 lines long. Some people have sentences that long. There must have been an SMSer in charge of that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. philbkr Aug 10, 2010 03:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What's with this font? We seniors will definitely not be here if we have to get a magnifying glass to read the replies!! This is really awful.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. CindyJ Aug 10, 2010 02:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There's just way too much wasted space now and it's so cumbersome. Where's "My Chow"? And who decided that the only domestic regional boards that should be accessible with one click are on the west coast? It was really just fine before these "improvements."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. carswell Aug 10, 2010 02:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Users have to click more with the new design. FAIL.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Users have to scroll more with the new design. FAIL.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Users see less on a given screen with the new design. FAIL.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Users experience more eye strain with the new design. FAIL.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Navigation is less intuitive and more cumbersome with the new design. FAIL.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The new design does not fix several major flaws in the old design (e.g. the small size of the window for composing a reply). FAIL.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: carswell
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        carswell Aug 10, 2010 02:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Why has the All Activity link on user profiles been deleted? Despite the misnomer (it displayed only one page's worth -- not all -- of the user's most recent posts), it was a useful feature. It would have been more useful if the user's entire posting history (divided into digestible chunks, of course) had been displayed, but now even the hobbled version is gone. FAIL.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kpaxonite Aug 10, 2010 02:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          What do you mean? If i click on your name I can see back 110 pages of threads you posted on...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            carswell Aug 10, 2010 02:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            You see a thread listing. The former All Activity link displayed the complete text -- not just the titles -- of the user's 25 or so most recent posts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: carswell
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jacquilynne Aug 10, 2010 02:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It wasn't really working well -- it was supposed to include comments from all over the site, but in reality, included comments on CHOW stories (but not comments on blogs or recipes) and Chowhound only. Until they can retool it to actually be more like it's name suggests it should be, it's been removed, and it's spot in the profile nav given up as a new home for hot posts / your unread posts.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              carswell Aug 10, 2010 02:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              So a useful feature has been axed because it wasn't exhaustively useful?! FAIL.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                alkapal Aug 10, 2010 03:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                bring back "all activity."!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                who cares if a "chow" blog comment wasn't there? those are inconsequential.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                "all activity" allowed me to see what was remaining of my own recent posts, and to get a gauge on who some other poster was, in terms of outlook.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                please please bring it back.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                all this light color hurts my eyes, too. look at your demographics. we ain't all 24 years old. our eyes are aging.....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  iluvtennis Aug 10, 2010 03:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hey, i'm 27 and it hurts my eyes...maybe i'm just aging very quickly.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    jfood Aug 10, 2010 04:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    on jfood's screen there are 6 already read poster's nmaes...nothing else.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Veggo Aug 10, 2010 04:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  With whatever faults the "all activity" feature had, it was very useful and frequently accessed. It's a major loss.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Caroline1 Aug 11, 2010 05:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes. I *REALLY* miss that one! Maybe it will come flittering down from heaven, like manna! Please....!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Caroline1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      rworange Aug 11, 2010 05:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've been running in and out doing errands today and wanted to respond to a comment you made somewhere about some of the other links on the My Chow page

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My Posts - All the posts where you have participted sorted by your choice of "my post date" or "recent activity". You can scroll back to your very first post under your user id

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Unread posts - All posts whether or not you participted in them. You can scroll as many pages back as the last time you selected the unread posts link. Sorted by most recent posts Formerly called hot posts

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Reading List - if you have selected posters in the "People I'm Reading" section of your My Chow page, these are all the posts they have participated in. Sorted by most recent posts. It is scrollable

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      BTW, as of this post, thanks to the tech team for fixing the formatting and spacing issues.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Caroline1 Aug 11, 2010 06:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well, the reason I miss "All Activity" so much was because it was such an easy way to find a thread that I've participated in, but has a subject line/title that is so very similar to others that are going on. For example, right now there are two major threads about the new site in site talk. I've particpated in both of them. Last night I p osted a picture showing how the new site looks on my screen, but for the life of me I couldn't remember which one. And they're both now teetering on the verge of "gargantuan." It would have been so easy to go to All Activity and find it. Instead I had to go to My Photos, click on the picture, go to that as a full size image, then click on the show-me-this-post thingie... If that post had not had a picture attached, I would have had to pour through a gazillion tons of stuff to find my needle in the haystack.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jaqueline said something about the "All Activity" not being utilized as it was originally meant to be. Sometimes such turns of fate turn out to be very good things. I really miss All Activit6y!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Caroline1
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          maria lorraine Aug 12, 2010 02:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "All Activity" was a very useful feature. It should not have been left out of the new design.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bring it back.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: carswell
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                kattyeyes Aug 10, 2010 07:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                +1 and an additional, extra-special +1 for your FAIL re all activity, which made me laugh out loud. Go to the head of the class, carswell!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And to jfood who started a "let's be positive about the new release" thread, then contributed nothing to it, that was amusing as all get out as well. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: carswell
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  carswell Aug 11, 2010 07:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Users have to move the mouse more with the new design. For example, to get to our My Chow page, the link to which is now located far away in the upper right corner of the page. Similarly, opening and closing the board listing requires moving the cursor over to the far right edge of the screen, after which you usually need to move it back to the centre or left side of the screen. FAIL.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. shanagain Aug 10, 2010 02:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  While we're at it, autoplay Chow Tips is back and that needs to be optional without using particular browser plugins.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Veggo Aug 10, 2010 02:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I like the 2 sort options on our individual page, but the "all activity" feature is gone? I used it a lot as the quickest way to get a feel for a hound.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I like the larger print, just not the font. Others have noted lack of contrast and lack of color as not easy on the eye, and all the blank space will make long threads a chore to scroll through.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      runwestierun Aug 10, 2010 02:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ow, my finger hurts from scrolling through all this negative space and giant font.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Chris VR Aug 10, 2010 02:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Press the space bar to scroll down a long web page. It's easier on your hands.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Scagnetti Aug 10, 2010 01:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The new format is aggravating my Agent Orange condition.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Agent Orange Aug 10, 2010 07:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hey don't bring me into this, I had no part in it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Glendale is hungry Aug 10, 2010 01:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          couldn't agree more! this is a big step down (like jumping off a cliff!)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. Foody4life Aug 10, 2010 01:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Search function in red CHOWHOUND header doesn't accept apostrophes.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            [Ralph's] in [Philadelphia]

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Comes back with an error:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Your search for ralph%27s did not return any results

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            and pops up a new dark grey search band across the page. Type your apostrophised name in this new area and search works fine - displaying appropriate results.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Foody4life
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              kpaxonite Aug 10, 2010 02:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I dont understand why chowhound doesnt just use the google custom search for the website. It is highly effective and proven.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Engineering Aug 10, 2010 03:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                This is fixed. Thank you for the bug report. These are really useful.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. c oliver Aug 10, 2010 01:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I read through these replies pretty quickly so maybe I missed it. I don't see how to search on a particular board. Don't tell me that's gone. Please.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                PS: I hate all this white.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: c oliver
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LNG212 Aug 10, 2010 01:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The search bar is now across the top right (where your user name is). It seems to have two boxes -- where you put the search term -- separated by a tiny "IN" -- and where you put presumably the board name. I like the prominence of the search box at the top like that. But I don't like that I have to start typing the board name. If I click in the box shouldn't a drop down list appear? Or allow you to select "this board I am on right now"?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    jfood Aug 10, 2010 01:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks L. They told us how great that function would be and then they hid the little puppy out of site. glad you found it for us.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jfood
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LNG212 Aug 10, 2010 01:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Somewhere in this thread (I think this one) is a question by MMRuth about the advanced search function and the chow people's response as to how to find it. So there's more functionality there (supposedly) than I've tried yet.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      c oliver Aug 10, 2010 01:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks. I found it. I guess "best match" is the old "relevance"? At least that's the default. But I've yet to see anything here that is an improvement. I'm a change lover in my life but I crave change that is for the better. Oh well, as someone said, I certainly need to be spending less time on CH. This oughta do it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. c
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Chimayo Joe Aug 10, 2010 01:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't like it either. If you're using Firefox, NoSquint is a big help on forums that are not visually appealing. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fire...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      sekelmaan Aug 10, 2010 01:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I hate it when people don't even try a product before they start hating it. It has been less than two hours that the new format is up. From what I can see in such a small period of time are very small format changes that make the boards look a little more up to date and on the plus side the search engine, a real flaw of the old format, is returning much more accurate results.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This is a good thing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jfood Aug 10, 2010 01:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        "I hate it when people don't even try a product before they start hating it"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Every post above is a result of people using the new site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jfood just started a new thread so people can place positive feedback on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: sekelmaan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          steve h. Aug 10, 2010 01:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Disruption requires a purpose. Goals need to be clearly stated.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            queencru Aug 10, 2010 01:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think most people who dislike the board have tried it and we're pointing out what we dislike as we use the site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: sekelmaan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 01:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "I hate it when people don't even try a product before they start hating it"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              That's funny. I thought my posts about issues with the new design were a direct result of actually USING the site. I stand corrected.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                sekelmaan Aug 10, 2010 01:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Two hours of use is not enough time to evaluate a new product. This thread is a typical response of the type of people who always "hate" something new. I say give it a week. Then post, with the exception of bug reports.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: sekelmaan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jfood Aug 10, 2010 02:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jfood was blessed with the ability to see glaring errors in under a week. You like it, that's cool, but many of us have seen this movie before and glaring mistakes do not need a week to see, post and hopefully fix before the traffic decreases.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: sekelmaan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    BobB Aug 10, 2010 02:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I see your point on some things - maybe we'll get used to the new mix of font sizes and colors, maybe not - but it's plenty of time to determine that something like taking away the list of boards from the top of the "My Chow" page, so that there is no longer direct access to Chowhound boards from what most of us consider our "start" page, is a major step in the wrong direction.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    One ongoing theme that I've noticed whenever they make changes to Chowhound lately is that they almost always involve making the user click multiple times to get what used to take just one click. For example, they recently changed the behavior of the Story pages. You used to be able to go to a story and read it, along with all the responses to it, in one place. Now you have the story and the last three replies on one page, and each set of ten replies on a different page. Before, I could just scroll down however many replies there were - now I have to click multiple times and wait for multiple page loads to get the same info - and there isn't even an option to "Show All" (well, there is a button that says that, but all it does is show you the next ten). You can't even see the original story next to the replies, except for that one page that shows the last three.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    EXTREMELY counterproductive, and a classic example of misguided site designers adding a "feature" just because their new software tool kit enables it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    How can this in ANY way be considered progress?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: BobB
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      tatamagouche Aug 10, 2010 02:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, is that even a feature, or is it to get more page clicks? That's what I assumed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: BobB
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        thew Aug 11, 2010 07:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        if you click on your name in the topright it goes to where mychow went before

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          BobB Aug 12, 2010 04:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I know that, but it's not what I was writing about. It was the question of how to get FROM Mychow TO the various boards. Which one of the mods told me above is in the works.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: sekelmaan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LNG212 Aug 10, 2010 02:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Did you even read any of the replies here? Because of people posting here there are a number of bug reports out. A number. Meaning stuff that shouldn't have happened or happened incorrectly. All because of feedback from users posting here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And, yes, finding a color scheme difficult to read isn't something that one needs to "give it a week" to figure out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: sekelmaan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 02:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          sekelmaan, the issues being reported are MAJOR bugs. Things no longer working when they worked this morning under the old version of the site. Please don't tell me 2 hours isn't enough to figure out that the site isn't working the way it should. Because it's not working the way it should.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          This is a BTDT situation - long-time posters have been through this situation at least 3 times since CH was bought out by CNET. You've been here what...a year? If you like it, fine. Post away on whatever board you usually post on.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          But there are many other long-time users who've dealt with these exact same issues in the past. So posts will continue about bugs that make the site less usable. Sorry if that's not to your liking. But the majority of these posts are not bitching because we don't like the changes. We're bitching because the changes make the site less usable.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            boyzoma Aug 10, 2010 02:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            +1 - very well said LW!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              tatamagouche Aug 10, 2010 02:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              +1. As I noted above, we had this very color scheme before, and we all complained, and they thankfully gave us other options, and now we've got the bad scheme back, and no options for changing it that I can find.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                sekelmaan Aug 10, 2010 02:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have been here three years and have tolerated the archaic boards due to the generally excellent content. This board's functionality has received a long needed face lift, aesthetically and technically. It is about time that the search field returned the words that you searched, that the indentation on replied-to threads indented correctly, etc. I have been using the internet since a bulletin board was a dial-up session. Luckily though we have made enough changes to the internet that the web can be used and we can have colors and frames and pretty fonts and technically challenged people can easily share their opinions. Thank jebus for change!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: sekelmaan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jgg13 Aug 10, 2010 02:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Some of us still prefer text based usenet readers and email clients, ya know ;)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And BTW, generally frames are considered bad design these days.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: jgg13
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    sekelmaan Aug 10, 2010 03:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hehe. My bad. I am in data center design, not web site design.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    tatamagouche Aug 10, 2010 03:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks jebus for contrary opinions, too, which is what Chowhound's all about. No doubt some of the new changes *are* good. Not trying to beat up on you here. But clearly, many changes are already disliked by a vast majority of people. The point is to fix what's broken and not what ain't.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: sekelmaan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 03:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      "his board's functionality has received a long needed face lift, aesthetically"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yet again, as someone said earlier - In your opinion. Aesthetically, it's not better. It's worse...in MY opinion. The functionality as it stands RIGHT NOW is not better. It's worse. You seem to be the only one in this thread that is enamoured of these changes and functionality that doesn't work. Interesting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Your "more up-to-date" comment from a color standpoint is something my company used almost 10 years ago for their website. It was ugly then; it's ugly now. And frames in websites aren't a good thing from a design viewpoint either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So this "technically challenged" reader of Chowhound disagrees with you. Despite the fact that I'm not technically challenged, as much as you might insinuate. Just because I disagree with you doesn't make me technically challenged.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        kpaxonite Aug 10, 2010 03:37 PM


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          scoopG Aug 10, 2010 06:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Exactly! It is like the entire site has been taken over by Microsoft - and their idea of "improvements." And any complaint means you are wrong, not them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: scoopG
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Paulustrious Aug 10, 2010 08:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have to completely disagree with you. Microsoft are one of the most pro-active companies I know in terms of dealing with problems with their software. Granted I only deal with certain elements - mainly to do with software development. But their forums, their active response to constructive complaints, their ability to take onboard suggestions and their immediate and complete involvement with problems has to be respected.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If you start from here and dig down you will see that your remarks are completely unjustified.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Every single bug, complaint, suggestion or remark I have put in the appropriate Microsoft bug reporting system has been logged, registered, analysed and responded to. Not always to my satisfaction but, in general, pretty damn good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            All-in-all that is a most remarkable facility, better than I have seen anywhere.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Paulustrious
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              scoopG Aug 11, 2010 06:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I switched to Apple some time ago and have no complaints.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: sekelmaan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Quine Aug 11, 2010 01:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          sekelmaanm you may have been around since dial up BB m and are in love with colors. I have also been here at CH for 4 years or more and was the Cooking Moderator for Byte BB CBIX, yes, started the cooking section.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've been through a few of these "wow gee ain't these nifty" changes that the codes boy with new software toy have made here. And you know, the changes are not all good. CH last week was not had at all to use, so your :technically challenged people" were posting away.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Right now I am looking at a tiny font cramped into a tiny space as I type, under over an inch of floating white space border, inside that box floating in 5 inches suspended in blue-grey web air. A waste! The already posted reply above mine is a different size fone and has different space and white. !!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thank goodness for change and the smarts to know bad changes and the wisdom to know when to change BACK.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Paulustrious Aug 11, 2010 03:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            As a developer I sit here staring at three 27 inch monitors. I don't have that much of a problem. I suspect others on a laptop would have a different view - in both senses.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Paul: Fido Sysop 2:250/1000, 2:250/218 (approx 1989-1993)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Original config:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Intel 386-33,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            4Mb memory,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2 * 127mb disks,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            = about $8000

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: sekelmaan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jgg13 Aug 10, 2010 02:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Problem is, what you call a "more up to date" look is something that I generally don't like anyways. They've gone and found those things which I dislike and done them even further in my "bad direction". It only takes a second for me to realize that I loathe the way they have the threads laid out because I've seen it happen on other websites (most of which I"ve ceased going to over time).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: sekelmaan
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      shanagain Aug 10, 2010 02:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You know what they say about how long it takes to form a first opinion.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jfood Aug 10, 2010 02:36 PM


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        never heard that one so by asking he does not know if he is setting himself up for a big old whack on the side of the head.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          shanagain Aug 10, 2010 02:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          lol, not at all - you never whack a good dog, in particular one with spectacular typing skills and a mad sense of style.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          But.. first opinions are formed in roughly 10 seconds if you're dealing with people.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          In web design, you get about 2 seconds for users to scan the "above the fold" section of your site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Pretty snappy, really.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: shanagain
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            jfood Aug 10, 2010 02:46 PM


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That was sorta like hitting on 16.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks S.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 03:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              But there will always be those that need a few weeks to form an opinion, shanagain. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        allyoucanet Aug 10, 2010 01:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I have the window as big as I can get on my MacBook and I still have to scroll back and forth to see the whole thing. Must have been designed on a desktop. Trouble is, most people have laptops.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. steve h. Aug 10, 2010 01:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Why are "Recipes, Discussions, Stories, Videos" consuming so much valuable real estate at the bottom of the page?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Shouldn't the CBS "about" stuff at the very bottom be collapsed/condensed?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Neither of these two footers are revenue producers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            jfood Aug 10, 2010 01:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Nor did they check to see if the font they used supported e-egu, and they placed the Manifesto between Guidelines and FAQ...gives you an idea of their POV and "visit other CBS sites in the lower left is dark grey on red and totally unreadable. Did they have a graphic artist at all on site when these decisions were made.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              steve h. Aug 10, 2010 02:06 PM


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Icantread Aug 10, 2010 01:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Wow, people start yelling pretty quick. To be fair, I think the South containing Miami/Ft. Lauderdale has completely disappeared and been replaced by two Southwests

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              tatamagouche Aug 10, 2010 01:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's true, Chowhounds are a vocal/opinionated bunch, and any changes to our beloved site rarely go down well. But in this case, given that they're making some of the *exact* same changes we yelled about before (e.g. terrible color scheme), I think the chorus is warranted.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: tatamagouche
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Icantread Aug 11, 2010 01:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ok, still staring at black type on white on gray on gray. That's 2 releases now. Who has such a hard on for shades of gray?! Why would people obsessed with food want shades of only one eye-straining color on their monitors?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Chemicalkinetics Aug 10, 2010 01:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              This is very bad. I cannot stand this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. boyzoma Aug 10, 2010 01:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Do you need some help with this site? I'm looking for a job and could probably make some of these improvements for you (I'm not a programmer, but could probably figure it out!). Just let me know. It couldn't be worse than the current format.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. PattiCakes Aug 10, 2010 01:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Do your programmers have day jobs at Yelp? Are they deliberately trying to drive us away?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    menuinprogress Aug 10, 2010 01:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Don't blame the programmers - they just do what the "designers" tell them to do.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Gio Aug 10, 2010 01:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I wonder where the designers learned to design...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 01:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Online courses?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kpaxonite Aug 10, 2010 01:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I doubt it... then they would be familiar with what a website looks like

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. jfood Aug 10, 2010 01:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Add..no separation from the Sticky Posts to the in-play posts

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Fydeaux Aug 10, 2010 01:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Good Lord, what in the world happened? The Southeast has disappeared, I cant access the list of boards other that the ones I have managed to save...this site is useless if it's going to be this much work to use. PLEASE go back to the previous format!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        kpaxonite Aug 10, 2010 01:04 PM


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Fydeaux Aug 10, 2010 01:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You just posted a link to this same thread. Was this intentional, or is this another glitch?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: kpaxonite
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LNG212 Aug 10, 2010 01:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            No. As others have pointed out, South WEST is listed twice and South EAST has apparently seceded. :(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Fydeaux
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            jfood Aug 10, 2010 01:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jfood bought some Gulf Coast property in Georgetown last week...Yippee!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. boyzoma Aug 10, 2010 01:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It would also be great if we could move windows. Such as doing a view all board list and move the window somewhere else.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. steve h. Aug 10, 2010 01:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              White space around collapsed (already read) replies is HUGE.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. chowdom Aug 10, 2010 01:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh I get it, reading advertisements will be more user friendly!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  iluvtennis Aug 10, 2010 01:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Lol...i do have a HUGE blank gray space to the right of this thread. This really is ridiculous. I know a lot of people just like to complain when there's change, and they don't want to give it a chance, but i just cannot see how this has improved anything at all...or what the point was behind this except for maybe what you said. Maybe i'll get used to it, but if you keep it like this for months and change it back to the old way, i guarantee you i will not miss this format at all, ever!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. jfood Aug 10, 2010 12:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Why does the top banner say CHOW and there is a radio button "take me to Chowhound" when you are ALREADY IN chowhound. Then you go back and it changes back. OMG did you guys BETA test this at all?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  NO no here's the answer. When you are on "My Recent Posts" you are in CHOW and when you are on the Boards youare in Chowhound. OMG

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Jacquilynne Aug 10, 2010 01:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What page are you on when you're seeing that? (Your mychow profile is actually on CHOW.com, if that's where you're seeing it.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Jacquilynne
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      jfood Aug 10, 2010 01:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Click on "Jacquilynne (view profile)" in the upper right and you go to My recent posts"; Banner = CHOW; Click on any of the Board and the Banner = CHOWHOUND.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If that is the design then that is a different discussion

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Caitlin McGrath Aug 10, 2010 01:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That has always been the case, i.e., the profile pages were always under the Chow banner - it just wasn't a problem, because you could access Chowhound boards via the shared menu at the top, which they've removed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Caitlin McGrath
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          jfood Aug 10, 2010 01:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks CM...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Jfood will continue his defaults as follows:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1 - Search - go to www.google.com and type chowhound <firstsearchword> <secondsearchword>
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2 - Navigate amongst Boards - He placed his go-to boards in his "Favorites" in Explorer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          This "improvement" is NOT.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      chowdom Aug 10, 2010 01:02 PM


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    3. jfood Aug 10, 2010 12:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And why is the name of the board more important than the subject matter when you are on MyChow. The font size and the red letters draw your eyes there instead of the topic.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        bookhound Aug 10, 2010 12:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The site now makes me nauseated.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. jfood Aug 10, 2010 12:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Add more:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          - Tab on top says "HOOSE A BOAR"; barely see the beginning "C" and the ending "D"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          - next to the board name is the orange "save this board" - then there is a shadow in gray just below it in grayscale
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          - when you look at "See all Boards" under United States noone instituted the wrap-text feature so the long names in one column overwrite the names in the column to the right; Likewise Washing & Baltimore Are" should be "Area"
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          -Did you guys hire Jefferson Davis and Robert E Lee as programmers. The entire Confederacy has succeeded from the US? Man, miss one day of the WSJ and the world changes.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            kpaxonite Aug 10, 2010 12:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The C and D show up perfectly for me

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              tatamagouche Aug 10, 2010 01:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In all fairness, I appreciate the invitation to HOOSE A BOAR.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Otherwise all I care about is COLOR SCHEME! I can live with anything so long as I can choose something besides this. Ugh.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                jfood Aug 10, 2010 01:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                jfood was not going there on any "boar" related sub-threads. The Mods would have a field day if that got started.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: tatamagouche
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 01:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Didn't we go through this color scheme issue when CH was taken over a long time ago? This white/gray/maroon color scheme wasn't appreciated then - specifically because of readability issues.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And yet they bring it back.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    jfood Aug 10, 2010 01:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    EXACTLY...the old red/black versus grey/white battles...oh how Darwin would be proud of Chowhounds advancement

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      shanagain Aug 10, 2010 01:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      You will probably both appreciate this - the first thing I did when confronted with this change was look for a series of buttons which would allow me to toggle different themes on or off to my liking. (Remember that? Brilliant!)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        tatamagouche Aug 10, 2010 01:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yep, I've already looked for the option to get my maroon background back and can't find it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Gray is not an appetizing color. That's why kitchens aren't generally gray. Seriously.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: tatamagouche
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 01:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'd be fine going back to the cream-colored background. But I'm OK with the gray. I just don't like the WHITE! background at MyCHOW or when you're on a main board.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            shanagain Aug 10, 2010 01:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ironically, I think the front Chow page is quite attractive. (That slideshow is making me "seasick," though, which is weird.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It makes me, as a chowHOUND, feel rather like this site is even more of an also-ran than it used to be.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Powers that be - you realize we bring page-hits to the site, yes? WE are your demographic, not just some chatty cathy stepchild?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Gio Aug 10, 2010 01:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            It's curious some folks are seeing grey. All I see is a white background behind everything with just a light grey border around each post.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 01:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              All of the space to the left and right of this thread - you're seeing white, Gio? I've attached a screen shot of what I'm seeing as I was typing this post...is this not what you see? The white text box, surrounded by darker gray border, with light gray to the left and right?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                shanagain Aug 10, 2010 01:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I see what Linda sees, and feel it REALLY needs a containing box. When you scroll quickly down the page to get to new comments it's very - as I mentioned before, "floaty" - and a little too dizzying.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Gio Aug 10, 2010 02:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  <"All of the space to the left and right of this thread - you're seeing white, Gio?">

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, Linda. Left and right of the entire thread is white with a grey border only around the reply box (container?).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    steve h. Aug 10, 2010 02:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There's a soft, dusty rose color left and right on my screen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That's the good news. The bad is that the space to the left and the right of the posts is huge. Maybe the designers should consider stacking the convoluted footer stuff parallel to the vertical borders as opposed to taking up valuable real estate at the bottom of the page.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    just my $0.02.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 03:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ugh. Now THAT I would hate. It's like that for me on the main board links and at MyCHOW. But not within a thread.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    JoanN Aug 10, 2010 02:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Way back, when many of us couldn't stand whatever color combination was then being thrust upon us, people were posting workarounds for various browsers. Firefox, for instance, has an add-on called Stylish that allows you to change the look--and the color--of Web pages. I set up CH at that time to show me a grey rather than a white or beige background. I suspect that other people may have played around with restyling their pages at that time and are seeing, as am I, the results here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      shanagain Aug 10, 2010 02:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've switched to Chrome since the last Big Switch, and use default pages & styles, meaning I see what the designer's style sheet tells my computer to produce. (Come to think of it, I've switched computers as well.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So, I'm seeing white/grey/darker grey on Chrome. Maybe it renders differently in other browsers and depending upon user settings. Having said that, I'd still expect it to look somewhat like the Chow page, though - with a white content box with whatever content inside (in this case, the discussion at hand) with clearly defined borders.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        kpaxonite Aug 10, 2010 12:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Just noticed that in posts with images if you click to see the image large (if there are multiple images) the other images are stacked vertically one on top of the other meaning you have to scroll down to select the next image you wish to view if there are more than two or three images..lame

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          millygirl Aug 10, 2010 12:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          HAAAAAAAAAAAATE IT!!!!!!!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I've been thinking that I need to reduce my time spent on Chow. This change will allow me to do that quite easily. I've only been on for a few minutes and already my eyes hurt. And where do I find my fav list, etc.?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. chowdom Aug 10, 2010 12:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Horrible absolutely horrible please change it back. Thanks LNG

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 12:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I would say it's a safe bet that they're NOT going to change it back. Hopefully we can get fixes that will improve the "negative improvements" they've attempted to make - but they won't change it back.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. steve h. Aug 10, 2010 12:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Navigation is clunky.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. southernitalian Aug 10, 2010 12:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Where's the Southeast?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 12:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Oh, it's there, southernitalian - along with the Midwest. Unfortunately, the "box" around the list of boards doesn't go over far enough. See the picture I've attached.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                This definitely needs to be fixed, CH Techies.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  OCEllen Aug 10, 2010 01:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  No, that seems to be a repeat of the southwest boards.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 01:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yeah, I realized that after LNG pointed it out in another thread. ::::Sigh:::::

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Withnail42 Aug 10, 2010 12:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                This was not a good idea!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. boyzoma Aug 10, 2010 12:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I also notice that when I click on US "see all boards" that the right column falls almost completely out of the window which makes it unreadable as the text overlaps on the back page. I'm not really liking this yet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. shanagain Aug 10, 2010 12:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    This is such a silly thing to hate, but I really hate not having a container box of some sort around the posts - the staggered look w/out a table/container/placeholder is hard on my eyes, which are 20/20.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    (ETA: Other than just the darker gray that's around each individual comment. Somehow my eye needs a line around the entire conversation, not just the individual replies.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Also, it makes everything look rather.. floaty. The "most popular" to the side at least need a container of some sort.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Additionally, you're really going to roll out these changes and <i>still</i> deny us the use of at least basic html tags? I mean, even free proboards have [b]this kind[/b] of limited markup available.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    In short, it's just really ugly on both the design and the GUI front.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Cachetes Aug 10, 2010 04:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This was precisely my thought! That it lacked a sufficient 'break' b/w text and background. It's extremely disorienting. In a certain way, I feel like I am trying to read one of those silly, handwritten college blue books. No structure, just lots of random writing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. yumyum Aug 10, 2010 12:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      We'll all eventually figure it out but the fonts are seriously LULZY. Lots of different fonts, some titles in ALL CAPS, some very very tiny font, some *ITALICIZED* for excitement! I hope this is a work in progress.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. MMRuth Aug 10, 2010 12:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm not seeing how to access the advanced search options on the search function now. Is one still able to search by title, user, etc.?


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Jacquilynne Aug 10, 2010 12:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes -- you can drop down the advanced search options using the expand collapse buttons up on the right hand side. If you're searching the boards, then the username option will appear.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            rworange Aug 10, 2010 05:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Maybe 'view' isn't the best word. I had the same problem finding advanced search and just happened to be playing with the new links and buttons and up came the advanced search option.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Maybe replacing the word 'view' with a toggle between the words 'expand' and 'collapse'

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            From my limited look at the site this seems to have different functionality on where you are. On a board it toggles from collapsing and expanding saved boards. In search it opens and closes advanced search. So I kind of understand the generic label, but it is confusing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The words 'advanced search' seem to be pretty standard throughout most websites.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            On those that do something else, I find it annoying to have to try to fingure it out. Some sites I just abandon because I can't find the feature.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Though it may be redundant, maybe having an explicit 'advanced search' link on the search page would make search easier to use for most.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              SteveG Aug 11, 2010 04:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ugh, really? That's a major user interface no-no. If the web site has bars and headers with consistent layout, they should do consistent things. Context-dependent menus on web sites are very confusing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                rworange Aug 11, 2010 04:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                >>> . Context-dependent menus on web sites are very confusing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Unlike this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I am more than aware of design philosopy and the latest trends. Some don't work and make things less user friendly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I really wonder how many people are going to instinctively catch on to what 'view' means or know how to find advanced search.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                No one is going to make changes here according to my specs. It was just a post to say it took me quite a while to figure out and I'm web savy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Paulustrious Aug 12, 2010 04:24 AM


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1) Move the 'view' toggle to the left hand side. I didn't see it at first cus it was off my page.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2) A toggle or switch should look like one. Yours looks like two independent switches that just happen on this occasion to do the same thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I had the pleasure and privilege of working with one of the best system designers, Richard D. He was explaining the concept of intuitive controls, ones that you know how to use automatically and what they do. He then said that they are only intuitive because you have seen them before in other systems. As he moved to the the next slide he said "There is only one intuitive control..."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              There was a picture of a breast.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              "After that, they are all learned".

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                rworange Aug 12, 2010 10:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have to agree with that 'view' tab moving to the left. It is always off my screen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It would also be nice to reduce the tab size of "choose a board" and "show saved boards" . They take up too much room and I'm getting tired of scrolling past them all the time. With the view button to the left, these tabs would make more sense. I have to think people don't know how to collapse the tabs once they click on them. It took me quite a while to figure that out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It would also be nice to have the link to Chow or Chowhound to the left. That also needs to be in a more consistant place on all screens. I'll put my comments in the search thread, but it is often not possible to get from Chow to Chowhound or visa versa from search.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  shanagain Aug 12, 2010 10:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  One more "would be nice..." if the Saved Boards showed up on your profile page.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Gio Aug 10, 2010 12:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well my user name is such a very light pink against a very white background I really can't see it and I wear reading glasses. Next comes the issue of a very light grey font and small size.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I do not like. At all. . This is a HUGE mistake.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ospreycove Aug 10, 2010 12:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              IF IT AIN'T BROKE..................................................

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                BobB Aug 10, 2010 12:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Not an argument that Chow techs have much regard for. See this thread...http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/700441

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 12:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Just a note on the size font - hold down the CTRL key and scroll up one click on your mousie's roller button and you can resize it to a reasonable readability.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                But I agree on the light gray font color (WHY are more websites doing this?).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  jgg13 Aug 10, 2010 12:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't know why it's a current trend, but original browsers (before you could set background color & such) always used light grey because it provided the best general contrast.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 12:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Light grey font against a white background provides MORE contrast than a darker gray font or black? I can't see how that's possible.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      jgg13 Aug 10, 2010 12:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, that's the story I was told back then, who knows. Text was always black, so white background would make sense - however you could have images inlined on a page as well and there might be white on the borders of the image. Something like that.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 01:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Very interesting, I didn't even SEE your response, jgg. It was closed when I came back to read other new posts and realized there might be a new post in response to my post.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        MAJOR issue, CHOW Techies. I've noted that several others have said the same thing to Jacquilynne - didn't see that she had responded to them because the post was closed, even though it should have had the NEW! Radio button next to it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        (GOD I hate that the reply box font size is so much smaller than what the actual post will look like!)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gio Aug 10, 2010 12:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Osprey: Just what I thought when I first opened the site a few minutes ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks Linda. I did click up a notch. This is the worst possible font. I'm getting a headache trying to see what I'm typing. And as Shanagain says below we didn't even get basic html.,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Bah Humbug. Coming here ought to be a pleasure, not a problem...!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JasmineG Aug 10, 2010 12:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That doesn't work, though, because the font size for the board list and other things are normal, so when I tried decreasing the font size it made it great for inside a thread, but then when I went back to a board list or My Chow it was tiny. I don't want to have to constantly switch back and forth.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 01:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm not sure what you mean by the board list then gets tiny.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        However, the fact that your post wasn't OPEN to be a new post for me to read IS a big issue, as I said to jgg just above this thread.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JasmineG Aug 10, 2010 01:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I mean that if I change the font size inside a thread to be smaller, it's not a good workaround, because the board list is a normal sized font, so if I go back to the board list the font size is tiny. However, given the responses by Chow HQ on this, it's something that they're working on, thank goodness.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 02:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Just saw your response. Yes, I'm glad that they're looking into the font issues.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And I wonder if a new thread should be opened up about NEW posts not showing up and being closed, despite not having been read? Because yet again, that happened. I've been in this thread several times in the last 10 minutes - and your post was either not there, or closed. I only opened it because I knew I had responded to you re: the font size issue, and saw you had responded.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 12:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Were there any long-time users who were allowed to beta-test this product? I cannot believe that long-time Chowhounders would have said this version was even remotely good.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Quine Aug 10, 2010 01:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Linda Exactly what I was thinking!!!! This happened the last time they made "new, exciting, great !!" changes.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I guess it is true; those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And Beta testing works so well, reducing bugs before releases etc. Costs are lower too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jfood Aug 10, 2010 01:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        jfood was a beta tester 2 releases ago and his first feedback was DO NOT RELEASE THIS yet. If this version received beta-tester approval then enough said. The stuff caught so far is simple to see on a Beta. Bad job.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 02:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If this version received approval during a beta, then the testers need to be replaced.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. jfood Aug 10, 2010 12:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The FoNt Size Is ReaLly HaRD to FOllOw. Some ARe Big aNd some Are SmAlL

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      - Why is the font on the OP smaller than the rest of the posts.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      - It appears that the programmer are paid on how much background you see versus words
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      - why the focussing an emphasis on change of day since this only relates to one time zone in the world.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      - why do you have the "NEW" icon next to the permalink in lower right. absolutely redundant. if it is open it is new if it is closed it is old
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      - In "stories" below "Quinine Your (Ap%^tif) Wine. Middle of word took on Asian letter

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JoanN Aug 10, 2010 12:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And speaking of which, it still annoys me, as it has from the very earliest CNET days, that our names on our profile page are in small caps so that I am forever JOANN on on this site. I was told years ago that the designers hadn't considered that initially. I can only presume they've had plenty of time to consider it and just don't care.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          SteveG Aug 11, 2010 04:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Haha, jfood you noticed thew "New" indicator, which should be a feature but is useless. On other message boards I use, "New" is in text, so if I search the page for "New" in a long thread, I can jump to new posts. This version is a graphic, so it isn't searchable.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Add me to the list of people who think the layout is harder to read, with too much blank white space that makes it hard to see several posts on the same page. I can't imagine how the site looks on a mobile phone or iPad now--it used to be just barely usable if I needed to look something up on the go.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. E Eto Aug 10, 2010 12:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          While it's going to take some time to adjust to the new settings, I did notice that it's much harder to navigate from the profile page back to the boards. If I want to navigate from my profile to the France board, I would have to click on "Take me to Chowhound" and then select the France board from the pull-down menu (or my saved boards if I have this saved, which I don't). From one mouse click, it's turned into navigating 3 pages. This seems like a step backwards from a usability standpoint.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            queencru Aug 10, 2010 12:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That was what I was trying to say in my initial post. Yes, you can go to My Chow by clicking your profile, but it takes quite a while to get from there to the other boards.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ospreycove Aug 10, 2010 12:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Problems, resolution, contrast of colors, and lack of compactness in individual posts, too much border, crappy font.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Caitlin McGrath Aug 10, 2010 12:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              This is my issue. The profile pages are under the Chow banner, which has now been separated from Chowhound, meaning that there is no easy access to any boards (unless it's a board one of the posts in My Recent Posts is on, so I can click through via the red link below the thread title). This is a huge step back in usability, not having access to the board menu or even saved boards from the profile page, and needs to be rectified ASAP.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                JoanN Aug 10, 2010 12:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That, in a nutshell, is what I see as a MAJOR problem. If you want MY POSTS, you get sent over to CHOW. The only way to see other boards is to then go back to CHOWHOUND. Am I missing something here? That just makes no sense at all. What possible reason could there have been to set things up that way?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  BobB Aug 10, 2010 12:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  It does seem to create a greater separation between Chow and Chowhound than used to exist - and also assumes that we're all primarily Chow readers, not Chowhound readers, which is not remotely true.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Caitlin McGrath Aug 11, 2010 03:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  So, this is till my one complaint - not being able to access boards menus from the profile page - but I wanted to mention how I get TO my profile page, since that is an issue for some. I do it the same way I had been before the release, which is via a bookmark (I have a folder for Chowhound with bookmarks for various pages). This obviates the need to scroll up the page at all and the problem of sighting the low-contrast user name.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. LNG212 Aug 10, 2010 12:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And just to add -- I hate that the Manifesto has taken another hit in prominence. I couldn't even find it!! Or the FAQ either. Putting it in teensy tiny lettering at the very bottom is really kinda sad given that the "Manifesto" is supposed to articulate what Chowhound is all about.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  rworange Aug 10, 2010 04:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hmmm .. I still have a screen that I haven't closed from early this morning on my computer prior to the new release. The manifesto seems to be exactly where it was prior to the changes. Took a quick look at the manifesto itself and it seems to have changed again since I read it a few months ago, but don't remember and if it has changed, I doubt it is release specific.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LNG212 Aug 10, 2010 05:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If I recall correctly, when you moused over the "phantom" boards menu, the FAQ and Chowhound Manifesto links appeared along with all the other board names. So basically they were there in front of you whenever you were going to click on another board. Now they are not there in the boards menu at all. The only place they appear is the tiny little writing on the very bottom of the page.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think that's the difference from the old to the new. Though you are probably correct that the FAQ and Manifesto *also* appeared at the bottom of the page in the old version.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  vinhotinto75 Aug 10, 2010 11:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The new layout is dreadful and it seems like every CBS affiliated site has gone to this horrid scheme. Please change it back.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. LNG212 Aug 10, 2010 11:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm on board with the "I hate the new look" contingent. The colors, the size, the empty space are all suitable for third grade.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I haven't explored all the new features yet. But thus far the "saved boards" is not working as it should (or if this is the way it should then it sucks too). But I'll reserve judgement on the features until I've explored further.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Jacquilynne Aug 10, 2010 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Can you provide more detail on what you're seeing vs. what you were expecting with regard to Saved Boards?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        BobB Aug 10, 2010 12:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The biggest problem is that they all stay in a single stack so once you've saved more than a few they end up taking up an inordinate amount of vertical space on the screen. It would be much more efficient to distribute them in columns as the "All Boards" (or "Choose a Board" as it's now called) does.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          BobB Aug 10, 2010 12:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Also - I just noticed that there is now no access to boards directly from My Chow. The top of that page would be an ideal place to display My Boards - spread across the page in columns, of course. ;-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jacquilynne Aug 10, 2010 12:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree, that would be an improvement in the design. It sounded like the feature itself wasn't working -- perhaps not adding boards -- for LNG212, though, so I wanted to check if there was a larger problem some people were experiencing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              LNG212 Aug 10, 2010 12:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Twice now I've not seen what you wrote. Both times your posts have been collapsed as though I've read them when I haven't. Is there some technical problem with the new system as well?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              lainiecosgrove Aug 10, 2010 12:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hi BobB - the single stacking of saved boards is a bug. This should be fixed in the next couple days so that the boards compile from left to right first then open a new row.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 12:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                That's good to know - thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  BobB Aug 10, 2010 12:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Good to hear, thanks. What about putting Saved Boards at the top of My Chow? Other than the spacing/font sizing changes, that seems to be the biggest and most widely-echoed complaint today - there's now no access directly to a Chowhound board from My Chow, as there used to be.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Caitlin McGrath Aug 10, 2010 12:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Not just saved boards, but the whole board menu, so you can get anywhere on Chowhound from your (or anyone's) profile page, is needed. I don't care that they wanted to uncouple Chow and Chowhound generally, but it makes no sense to uncouple the profile pages from Chowhound.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      lainiecosgrove Aug 12, 2010 09:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi BobB - thanks for the feedback, this is a great idea. We are working on displaying the header/navigation dependant on where the user came from. We hope to have this solved by the middle of next week. Again thanks for the feedback - keep it coming!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LNG212 Aug 10, 2010 12:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That is good to know. Thanks. Are you one of the chow tech people? If so, I'll reiterate what I said above to Jacquilynne. When I opened this thread your post was collapsed as though I had read it. I had not. This is a real problem.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LindaWhit Aug 10, 2010 01:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I've been saying that in other threads as well, LNG. Your post immediately below in reply to ChowHQ was also collapsed - and I know I haven't read it yet.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        MAJOR bugaboo!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          shanagain Aug 10, 2010 01:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I can deal with the bugs because I know *those* will get fixed. Tthe design issues are what I perceive to be the big problem here. Because those? Probably not on the top of the "Things To Sort Out Now That We've Rolled Out THe Redesign" list.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Jacquilynne
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    LNG212 Aug 10, 2010 12:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    jacquilynne, I've posted what I am seeing on the original thread about the release. Others are getting what I'm getting too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    --the "saved" list puts all the board names in one single *very* long column
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    --this long column now over-writes the header ("site talk" for example) and the original post paragraph of whatever page I am on
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    --the "edit" feature allows one to add or delete. that's it. seriously? why can't I put the saved boards in the order I want them. or in columns. or whatever.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ChowHQ Aug 10, 2010 12:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi LGN212 -

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      --The saved list putting the board names into one single long column is a bug that we are working on fixing along with the fact that it overwrites the header.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      --the edit feature should allow you to remove multiple at a time. However we are working on functionality to allow the user to rank them in any order they want. It didn't make this release but will be coming in the following couple weeks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks for alerting us about these bugs.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        LNG212 Aug 10, 2010 01:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Perhaps you haven't seen the bug I've posted twice now -- I keep missing posts because they are collapsed when I have NOT read them. I almost missed your post here because it was COLLAPSED already. What is going on that this keeps happening?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          nsxtasy Aug 10, 2010 02:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          If I click to get into the EDIT BOARDS feature, how do I get out of it, so it gives me back the list of saved boards on which I can click to get to them?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. rob133 Aug 10, 2010 11:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It seems preety bad so far

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      queencru Aug 10, 2010 11:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thus far, I agree. It's much harder to get into My Chow (several clicks) and I did all the story categories go away? I can't figure out how to find stories in anything other than the Top Stories area, which is annoying when you may be looking for a specific story.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: queencru
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Jacquilynne Aug 10, 2010 11:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If you're logged in, you should be able to get to myCHOW from any page by clicking on your username in the top right corner of the page.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          queencru Aug 10, 2010 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Are stories no longer put in specific categories?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            davina Aug 10, 2010 12:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The navigation isn't showing up yet, we're still in the middle of the release, so not everything is there yet. But there will be right-side navigation in the top stories section.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              queencru Aug 12, 2010 07:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's been two days now and I still don't see any right side navigation- just the scrolling video selection.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                lainiecosgrove Aug 12, 2010 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hi queencru - we are working on getting this fixed as soon as possible, its looking like it should be up on Tuesday.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  queencru Aug 12, 2010 09:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks for the update!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          kpaxonite Aug 10, 2010 11:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yes the colour scheme is a serious problem..as jacquilynne said your profile is at the top of the page by the contrast is poor and makes it hard to see... the rest of the site just looks like someone made a failed attempt to create a streamlined or modern look

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            jgg13 Aug 10, 2010 11:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Everything that you just said, plus the font and individual posts are HUGE compared to the old ones. It looks like an 8th grader made it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              kpaxonite Aug 10, 2010 11:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              hahah I just posted the exact same thing on your post

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                tatamagouche Aug 10, 2010 11:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yeah, we used to have color choices b/c we all hated the *last* new release with all this paleness...do we no longer have those? I can't find them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                queencru Aug 10, 2010 11:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The font just doesn't make sense. I can see the initial post and possibly the first reply before I have to scroll.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Additionally, I just tried to log in from the laptop and the little pop-up window was just stuck. I had to refresh in order to see that I had logged in.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  iluvtennis Aug 10, 2010 01:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Me, too. I am on my laptop and tried to log in about ten times...the log in screen would not go away. I assumed it was frozen and just gave up, but lo and behold, i was somehow logged in and didn't even know it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    boyzoma Aug 10, 2010 01:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I got the same thing. Just one "more" bug!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      El Presidente Aug 14, 2010 08:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Can anybody help with my food ????ss.

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