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I accidentally bought some from Freshdirect. I bought them because they were wild and when I got them I saw that they were from the Gulf. Thanks.

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  1. If I ate shrimp, absolutely I would.

    1. I won't eat shrimp from anywhere else.

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      1. re: Veggo

        Are you kidding? Wild Florida Gulf Shrimp vs farm raised Southeast Asia shrimp raised in water that is never tested, and where there is very little in the way of effective sewer systems........Hmmmmmm
        Actually the inspections of all Gulf Seafood is better than ever Federal, state and private research agencies are all testing shrimp, crabs, oysters, fin fish, etc. I just had some excellent Grouper this week!!!!!

        1. re: ospreycove

          But the question wasn't 'Is Gulf shrimp safer than Southeast Asian shrimp.' Or Chinese shrimp. Or shrimp from any other source.

        2. re: Veggo

          +1 to Veggo's comment.

          They need, and deserve, our support.

          1. re: Monch

            And it's not a sympathy thing, it is simply the best product. I am a bit of a wharf rat and I talk with the fishing and shrimp boat owners on the Florida gulf, and the areas they work are nowhere near the oil plume areas, likewise for the Apalachicola oyster beds and most or all of the Texas fishing and shrimping areas.

            1. re: Veggo

              We're heading there this weekend and I can't wait to go to Apalach for some oysters!

        3. I agree with everyone. The shrimp you have has passed the toughest inspection. Go a head and eat it.

          I haven't seen any seafood being pulled off the menu's here in Florida except for Oysters probably just being very very cautious on that one.

          1. Always have and always will, they are the best.

              1. love gulf shrimp! it is the best. the oil spill was overblown, though the ramifications in job loss are compounded by subsequent policies. support the gulf fishermen, and all the workers in the area.

                1. I live in SWFL and have always bought Gulf shrimp and still do...just wondering though...when you all go out to eat and you see a shrimp dish on the menu that you want, do you ask if it's wild?

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                  1. re: Val

                    well, val, you know i gotta know where my shrimp is sourced from, being a swfl gal myself.

                    1. re: alkapal

                      'pal, I hear you...sometimes, questions like these sometimes send the servers into a tailspin ("gee, not sure...I'll ask chef...etc.")...and I hate doing that to them, that's all. It can be an ordeal to ask, sometimes.

                      1. re: Val

                        A lot of restaurant shrimp is sourced based on price and size. If the restaurant wants U 18 shrimp, the cheapest 5lb frozen block will be what is served, in most cases. Obviously, there are some independent businesses that have high standards and serve what they state they serve on the menu. Gulf Shrimp are the best in taste, color and texture.

                        1. re: ospreycove

                          Thank you, ospreycove...2 of my 3 sons worked as servers in high school and college and I just HATE making any server's job harder than need be...for things like salmon and shrimp, which I MUST eat wild, I just make them at home and when I'm out, try to find other items that will suffice. And I don't eat out very much, so it's not a big deal just wondered how others handle this.

                          1. re: Val

                            val, get to pincher's in north fort myers sometime, and get their 1 1/2 pounds of shrimp -- half done fried, half done in their delicious garlicky scampi preparation. take a friend. you will both love me as you waddle out. (get the green beans side, and skip the fries. slaw is decent). mom loved their crab and corn chowder.

                            ps, their bam bam shrimp (?), though, is not like bonefish grill's bang-bang shrimp.

                            1. re: alkapal

                              ok if I just go to the pinchers down here by me? LOL...will have to try it out maybe next weekend! thanks for the tip, 'pal!

                              1. re: Val

                                i heard the one south of town wasn't that great (or was it the beach one?), but i have never been. aren't they opening one in bonita?

                                ps, my sister was lovin' some crabcakes there, too.

                                1. re: alkapal

                                  Well, the one by us is on the north trail very close to the Lee County line, lo and behold the address says 28580 Bonita Crossings Blvd, Bonita Springs...but it's basically on 41 and it's been there for quite a while...they certainly don't need ANOTHER one, I don't think! sheesh...some of these local chains get carried away too!

                                  1. re: Val

                                    i wish they'd bring one up here to d.c.!

                            2. re: Val

                              Val, it's best to ask. That's the only way the chef or management will know that it's important to some customers.

                              A few months back, the US catfish marketing board ran an ad campaign about asking your server if the catfish is US raised. They must be getting a lot of competition from overseas. My understanding is that US catfish is very sustainable.

                              1. re: CathleenH

                                Thanks, Cath!!! Appreciate your insight...you're right, too!

                    2. Aimee, I just bought 5 pounds of wild Gulf U-12 shrimp; we've eaten 2# so far and looking forward to the rest.

                      It's been years since we've (knowingly) eaten anything BUT wild shrimp and most of that comes from the Gulf. They taste the best!

                      There's also the question of where the farmed shrimp are raised ....... Bacteria-laden SE Asian farmed shrimp from God-knows what kind of water VS inspected Gulf shrimp? No question for me.

                      1. As long as it's available.

                        1. You Betcha..now they come pre-oiled!!!

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                          1. Yeah, I'd eat them. Due to the oil spill, they're probably the most inspected fish on the planet. (Disclosure: This comment comes from a Floridian. However, I'm not seeing much concern by the population along the west coast of Florida.)

                            1. Eat them! They are probably the best shrimp you'll ever get. I'd bet even here in Florida, most of the shrimp in restaurants (and certainly the ordinary grocery stores) are Vietnamese farm-raised, unless specified as Wild Gulf shrimp.

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                              1. re: KiltedCook

                                Gulf Shrimp Commercial Season starts i5 August........I wiill be there for my pile of head on jumbos!!!!!!!

                              2. We had them Friday night and Sunday noon.

                                1. Gulf shrimp absolutely!!!! I would and will eat gulf oysters too.

                                    1. About the impact of the spill:
                                      http://www.time.com/time/nation/artic...

                                      About who tested your shrimp and how:
                                      http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html...

                                      It's quite safe. But don't feel silly about asking; a lot of people think it isn't. Even here in Louisiana. There used to be a couple of stands set up on Florida Boulevard and one Mangnolia Bridge (the two roads that cross the Amite River into Baton Rouge) that sold fresh shrimp, crawfish, tomatoes, strawberries, etc. Since the oil spill, they've been getting less and less business, and shutting down earlier. :(

                                      Oh, and I hope you're shrimp are tasty. :)

                                      1. I guess I'll have to be the contrarian.

                                        If I had already purchased the shrimp, as in the OP's case, I would eat them.
                                        But going forward, I won't be eating Gulf shrimp for the next couple of years.

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                                        1. re: racer x

                                          why? you don't think they are safe to eat? what do you know that we don't? you can tell if a shrimp is OK by smelling it.

                                          anyhow, would a little light crude hurt you? it might save you money on your benefiber bill. ;-).

                                        2. I think many are putting more faith in the independence and reliability of the monitoring agencies than may be warranted at this early point in the course of this disaster.

                                          Sandwich_Sister said: “I agree with everyone. The shrimp you have has passed the toughest inspection. Go a head and eat it.”

                                          Altarbro said: “It's quite safe.”

                                          The pressure on the government to minimize the economic impact of the oil spill on Gulf industries has been enormous. Can we be sure the safety agencies will always err on the side of caution rather than political expediency?

                                          “A UC Davis scientist who led the air monitoring of the smoldering ruins of the World Trade Center [following the 9/11 attacks] said dangerous levels of pollutants were swirling about the site at the same time the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency assured the public that the air was safe to breathe....”
                                          San Francisco Chronicle 09/10/2003
                                          http://articles.sfgate.com/2003-09-10...

                                          “In the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, attack on the World Trade Center, the White House instructed the Environmental Protection Agency to give the public misleading information, telling New Yorkers it was safe to breathe when reliable information on air quality was not available.
                                          That finding is included in a report released Friday by the Office of the Inspector General of the EPA....”
                                          Newsday 08/23/2003
                                          http://articles.sfgate.com/2003-08-23...

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                                          1. re: racer x

                                            Gulf Shrimp.....anytime. Asian farm raised imports....NEVER

                                              1. re: ospreycove

                                                +1...once jfood discovered that costco shrimp came from vietnam he crossed that off the shopping list

                                                  1. re: chef chicklet

                                                    I think Costco keeps a closer eye on the quality control of their fw shrimp than most, but I admit I haven't bought any since I started reading articles about the horrendous biohazards those shrimp farms were creating in general.

                                                    1. re: EWSflash

                                                      why? do you think thye actually go to VN and check out the farms? doubt it. but that's just my opinion

                                                      1. re: jfood

                                                        Well, they say they do. I guess it boils down to whether you believe them or not, And on who's doing the inspecting and reporting.

                                                        1. re: EWSflash

                                                          at your store or can you point me to a link?

                                                          TIA

                                                          1. re: jfood

                                                            There was an article in their magazine a couple of years back. Let me see if I can get to it-
                                                            It's there online, the December 2005 issue, page 38, in case this link doesn't take you right there. I remembered it as being more detailed about growing conditions.
                                                            http://www.costcoconnection.com/conne...

                                                            1. re: EWSflash

                                                              very nice and thank you.

                                                              but i think this article realtes to the frozen variety 5 years ago. I do not know if they come from the same ponds as the fresh from VN.

                                                              thanks again

                                                              1. re: jfood

                                                                Right- I also had no idea it had been so long since I read the article. Clearly I had forgotten some detail.

                                                                Is there any such thing here as fresh FW shrimp from overseas?? I wouldn't want to eat something from that far away that hadn't been properly flash-frozen and kept that way. I think the logistics make in nearly impossible- am I talking out of my you-know-what?

                                                1. re: racer x

                                                  "Can we be sure the safety agencies will always err on the side of caution rather than political expediency?"

                                                  Of course not. The FDA approved aspartame and made cannabis a scheduled narcotic. That's why I posted some links to information. A lot of seafood (the damaged goods) isn't being caught right now; if you read the TIME article, only one percent of the gentlemen who were out harvesting oysters last year are doing so now. (Kinda staggering.) The other article actually explains the testing process:

                                                  "Depending on the day and weather, NOAA has two to eight vessels actively collecting seafood samples in the Gulf and brought to the NOAA lab in Pascagoula, Miss., where the seafood is labeled, numbered and logged in.

                                                  The fin fish, shrimp, oysters and crab arrive in Seattle frozen in small blue-top jars, said Walton Dickhoff, a research scientist and division director at NOAA's National Marine Fisheries Service lab. Eighteen to 30 research chemists and other marine specialists move the samples though equipment and work stations spread over two floors. Once Jon Buzitis removes and logs in the carefully numbered jars from the storage freezer, analysis of the samples can take three days, but they can and do run multiple samples.

                                                  Dickhoff says samples are thawed, homogenized and dried with a sodium or magnesium sulfate. To remove bones or connective tissue, samples then are mixed with a dichloromethane, similar to the commercial dry-cleaning fluid.

                                                  They then are moved into a high-performance liquid chromatograph that, over eight or nine hours, removes a lot of compounds that could interfere with the analysis.

                                                  Finally, Dickhoff says, the samples spend 28 hours running through a chromatograph mass spec machine, which cranks out a detailed chart with separate peaks showing the level of each of the 19 polyaromatic hydrocarbons found in the samples."

                                                  If similar testing isn't being done for the Asian shrimp, I'd think that the gulf shrimp are more reliable right now.

                                                  1. re: racer x

                                                    I thought of exactly the same thing. Following the world trade attacks I kept hearing on news that the official word was the air was safe but I looked at the images and thought it could not be right. I mentioned but no one I knew seemed to care, and now, well, apparently it probably was not safe after all. Not really making a comment on the gulf shrimp, but I just feel sometimes things are not always as transparent as they should be.

                                                  2. Why would you NOT eat them? Gulf shrimp are the best, and I'd rather support our economy that that of another country, wouldn't you?

                                                      1. re: thew

                                                        Blue crabs are shallow water creatures, and I believe these were from a marsh oiled bayou. This article has a lot of "We don't know" and crabs are very interesting creatures. They exist on detritus. There are crabs in the Hackensack River in N.J. Big ones in the most polluted body of water in the Northeast. I am not downplaying the investigation, but it is way too early to cry wolf.
                                                        I am more concerned with the Mercury levels in Swordfish, Tuna, Kingfish, and other Pelagic fishes. This heavy metal pollution occurs worldwide.

                                                      2. Not only would I, I'd encourage others to as well.

                                                        I don't know whether it should've been passed at the inspection table or not. I don't know what the criteria are. I can only assume the people who are working there do know what they are doing and I trust them. If they say it's good, who am I to argue??

                                                        Secondly, the area needs support. Both financially and morally. Buying their shrimp puts money back into the area and boost moral. It also shows people that it is safe to eat.

                                                        DT

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                                                        1. re: Davwud

                                                          There are so many "official" and unofficial organizations involved in testing Gulf seafood right now it is probably safer than ever to consume. One interesting situation has surfaced. Mississippi Shrimpers have been very vocal saying they would not eat shrimp. Some further investigation has revealed that these boat owners/deck hands are making piles more money working fo B.P. and the clean up than working the Gulf shrimping. Funny, what money does to people.

                                                            1. re: Davwud

                                                              Dav...Funny as in ironic; Guys are willing to throw away their life's work and disparage the industry and tradition for a" few pieces of silver".

                                                              1. re: ospreycove

                                                                LOL, I know. I could say it's amazing to see what some money will do. We see it so often though, should we really be amazed??

                                                                DT

                                                        2. I know this topic is kinda old, but I'm posting two links just in case other people searched for this topic still. Personally, I've read too many stories from local shrimpers/fishermen to risk it. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gina-so...
                                                          http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/gso...

                                                          In sum, the safety standard test is for 175 lb males (I could be wrong but I'm assuming most women don't reach this weight) and based on 4 jumbo shrimp/3 oz. a week. I don't know about other people but I tend to eat more than 3 oz. of shrimp in a shrimp meal. :/

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                                                          1. re: corai

                                                            a look behind the panel constituents (your citations are related to the NRDC and the gulf coast fund) will give you an idea on their perspective http://gulfcoastfund.org/news-and-eve...

                                                            i see $$$. i'm sure the shrimpers are real happy with the NRDC <sarcasm alert>. uh, right...not unless they can finagle a grant from the gulf coast fund, which appears to be interested more in the "social disparities" in the gulf region.

                                                            ok, call me cynical.

                                                            i'm going to eat gulf shrimp.

                                                            ~~~~
                                                            corai, would you link the stories from the local shrimpers and fishermen, please?

                                                            1. re: alkapal

                                                              I said months ago and repeat today, I won't eat any other shrimp. There is no better than pink Florida gulf shrimp.

                                                              1. re: alkapal

                                                                "Despite the protests of many fishermen concerned about oil on the bottom, the fishing grounds are nearly all open....

                                                                I've seen numerous samples of shrimp people have saved with a black substance in their gills. Just this week, an NRDC colleague was taking photos at the Venice marina when she was shown a large grey shrimp by an irate fisherman who claimed the gills were full of hydrocarbons. Is it oil? We don't know, but people have to choose between catching and selling these shrimp or starving themselves....

                                                                When the government says the oil is gone or dispersed and the seafood is safe--even going into the local schools to convince children--it doesn't go over very well with some people here. They have heard too many stories of oil turning up in crabs and shrimp, too many instances where shrimp boats have churned up sheen behind their nets as they've dragged the bottom.

                                                                'If anyone wants to eat the shrimp here then that's their decision,' says Kindra Arnesen, wife of a fisherman in Venice and a representative of the Louisiana Coastal Heritage Society. 'But I'm not feeding it to my kids until I know it's safe. And I don't have much faith the government knows what's safe and what isn't.' "
                                                                http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rocky-k...
                                                                Rocky Kirstner, posted at HuffPost 10/20/10

                                                                "Gulf Seafood Is Safe to Eat, FDA and NOAA Say
                                                                As of Nov. 1, 96% of relevant Gulf of Mexico waters became available for commercial and recreational fishing....
                                                                Fishermen and shrimpers themselves still feel somewhat wary: although the loss of business because of the spill has been economically catastrophic for them, the impact of a single batch of tainted fish could be much worse."
                                                                http://healthland.time.com/2010/11/02...
                                                                Time 11/2/10

                                                                1. re: alkapal

                                                                  Sorry, I haven't checked the forums in a while. Here's a link:

                                                                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHw0P8...
                                                                  A quick google search should also turn up some stories. Again, they COULD be a minority, but in light of the recent shutdown would you be willing to risk it? Also, here's the FDA report on how they test.

                                                                  http://www.fda.gov/Food/ucm217601.htm...

                                                                  Like I said, hey tested safety for a 80 kg adult, and came up with safe figures of 4.4 meals every 30 days of 90g of shrimp/crab. 4.4 x 90 = 396 g/30 days. That's 0.87 pounds of shrimp per MONTH IF you weigh 173 pounds. AND if you devein and dehead the shrimp. And does not apply to the elderly, pregnant, children, or people with compromised immune systems.

                                                                  1. re: corai

                                                                    the white house just made a big deal about eating gulf shrimp.

                                                                    they loved it. http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/1...

                                                                    """The White House Mess today has a menu overflowing with seafood from the Gulf, including:

                                                                    Seafood Gumbo
                                                                    Andouille, Gulf Shrimp from Venice, LA, Bayou La Batre, Alabama Lump Crab

                                                                    Oyster Po-Boy
                                                                    Fresh Alabama Gulf Oysters, Housemade Tartar, French Bread, Cajun Fries

                                                                    Stacked Eggplant with Shrimp and Lump Crab Cream Sauce
                                                                    Garden Eggplant, Angel Hair Pasta, Gulf Shrimp from Venice, LA and Bayou La Batre, Alabama Lump Crab

                                                                    BBQ Shrimp
                                                                    Traditional New Orleans Family Recipe with Gulf Shrimp from Venice, LA and Crusty French Bread

                                                                    Speckled Trout
                                                                    Speckled Trout from Gulfport, Mississippi, Brown Butter Sauce, Red Smashed Potatoes, Snap Peas with Candied Pecans""""

                                                                    ~~~~~~~

                                                                    i grew up in sw florida (as i've mentioned before). i trust the shrimpers -- and not the ones chompin' for a "grant" from the environmental anti-oil lobby.

                                                                    1. re: alkapal

                                                                      Good thing we all chow at the White House on a regular basis.
                                                                      Hehe

                                                                      1. re: alkapal

                                                                        If only the legislature our Congress passes could be on a par with what they pass the day after these fine lunches....

                                                                        1. re: Veggo

                                                                          Just last night went to a friend's "house warming" and he had 25 lbs of Gulf shrimp prepared( peeled deveined and steamed) by Star Fish in Cortez. The Shrimp went very quickly with guest after guest commenting how good they were.
                                                                          This morning, we finished them off in Shrimp and sauted onion scrambled eggs and Biscuits........

                                                                          1. re: ospreycove

                                                                            HUH? leftover shrimp?

                                                                            i can take care of that "problem" next time. you just give me a holler, ok?

                                                                            1. re: alkapal

                                                                              Actually, I'm about to through some leftover fried shrimp in the toaster oven in a few minutes. I always buy extra to feed on later. I'm living dangerously on the edge. Friday I had fried shrimp and fried oysters, along with a few raw. Saturday, leftover shrimp. Sunday, paneed oysters and more raw. Today, more shrimp. The shrimp are Texas gulf, the oysters from Galveston Bay. At this rate I won't last much longer until the tainted seafood gets me.

                                                                              1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                James: to rearrange Blondie "Tell 'em you're dead and withered away - you gotta live fast 'cause it won't last - so die young and stay pretty"

                                                                                1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                  talk to me! shrimp salad on croissants! remoulade, buttery croissant, shrimp, a little celery for crunch. you'll live forever on that ambrosia.

                                                                    2. re: corai

                                                                      I hate to say this; but some of the shrimpers and oysterman are playing the litigation game looking for the pot of Gold. An associate of mine, in Apalachicola, mentioned that lawyers are encouraging the Oystermen to claim mental problems as well as physical ailments along with projected dire economic forecasts.
                                                                      As far as the article in the Huffy, it is not factual; as there are more chemical tests, growth analysis tests and water quality tracking by Mote Marine Research, USF Marine Science dept,
                                                                      U.F. School of Marine Science, the Fl. Dept of Environmental Protection, and this is just what originates in florida, include, la.,ms, al, and Federal regulating agencies and there is more scrutiny of the Gulf now than ever before in U.S. history The author states "This does not SEEM sufficient" The NRDC or Natural Resources Defense Council, certainly has a well voiced political bias.

                                                                      1. re: ospreycove

                                                                        Oh, forgot to mention, I only eat Gulf shrimp!! No comparison with Asian Farmed shrimp, and the mysterious production methods!!!!!

                                                                        1. re: ospreycove

                                                                          Be that as it may, I'm still hearing stories of problems from independent labs that tested shrimp. Of course, there's always the possibility they have their own agenda, but the report does give one pause. After all, it's certainly not natural for there to be so many fish and crab kills. If something is killing some of the sealife, will the remaining ones make a healthy meal? At the standards set by the FDA itself, I don't think anyone can say it's safe for the majority of people to eat shrimp. Here's a link to an article with some test results:
                                                                          http://www.southernstudies.org/2010/1...

                                                                          And as for "Gulf Seafood Night" at the White House, why were shrimping areas closed again days before the seafood was shipped to the White House? Just saying that, as much as I love shrimp, I'm holding off. Dying sealife = unhealthy seafood.

                                                                          1. re: corai

                                                                            Institute for Southern Studies does have a progressive agenda and I have researched their positions; I would use their findings.....with a grain of salt..as the saying goes.

                                                                        2. Bought 10 pounds from the shrimp truck last week; divided them up, covered with water, and froze. The shrimper is out of Galveston, and I've been buying from him for years. These latest shrimp looked, smelled, and tasted as pure and sweet as ever. I trust my senses.

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                                                                          1. re: pikawicca

                                                                            that's the good way to freeze fish, too -- in a block of ice.

                                                                            1. re: pikawicca

                                                                              the shrimp truck... I grew up in STL and was always jealous of those in LR that got those rounds.

                                                                              I'm late to the party, but gulf shrimp? - hell yeah!

                                                                              1. re: pikawicca

                                                                                Ditto. Born and raised in Pensacola/Perdido Key area in Florida, landlocked in OK for the past ten years with no fresh seafood in sight.. Went home for vacation this summer and ate shrimp and mullet and oysters until I couldn't walk. I grew up eating and catching seafood and I could pretty much tell if something was safe to eat by the way it smelled and looked. Of course, if you grow up with this kind of thing it's an advantage. Out here people hunt deer and they always smell nasty to me when they bring them in, so I don't eat it. Like you, I trust my senses.

                                                                              2. my choice here is usually farm raised in Mexico or Asia. Frankly, when I see gulf shrimp I grab as much as I can.

                                                                                1. Does anyone have a link to estimated seafood kill counts and remaining populations in the Gulf? I have not been able to find any. I would think this is the issue of primary concern, NOT whether or not Gulf Shrimp is safe to eat. The Gulf just had a shit load of oil dumped into it and I would think - just guessing here - that it's important to let shrimp populations recover before lowering them even further by putting the fishing boats back to work.

                                                                                  In the absence of population data, no I would not eat Gulf Shrimp or any other Gulf seafood for that matter.

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                                                                                  1. re: RealMenJulienne

                                                                                    Real.....Do you consume any of the pelagic fishes that are Globally sourced? Tuna, (Yellowfin, Big Eye Blue Fin, etc.) swordfish, or the following non Pelagics Grouper, Chilean Sea Bass, American Red Snapper, Black Cod.....well better stop, they are all on the decline due to overfishing, growth cycle interuption, natural predator caused depletion. So far as far as the Gulf goes none of the many organizations including those I mentioned above) who are now scrutinizing every form of change in the ecology, pollutant levels, seafood safety, tonnage of catches, and growth cycle interruption; have any indication of population decline, I know it is early in the after effects of the spill but all baseline data is normal.

                                                                                    1. re: ospreycove

                                                                                      I do not. And even if I did, two wrongs don't make a right. The federal government is under immense pressure to produce scientific results which will help the Gulf fishing economy bounce back; long-term conservation does not seem to be their primary concern. It is good to hear that baseline data is normal but I think longer-term, more levelheaded results are necessary before responsible consumption can resume.

                                                                                      Can you please provide links which address specifically, kill count and remaining populations? I am unable to find this information published by the organizations you list.

                                                                                      1. re: RealMenJulienne

                                                                                        Real....I agree on the "unknown" of the future but there is tremendous pressure, as you noted, on getting the Gulf Coast out of the Depression caused by the Spill, As a side comment, there was a huge and prolonged "Red Tide" in this area about 5 years ago; only now are we feeling the effects of it. There is a gap in the Grouper population of the over 22inch adult Gag and Red Grouper, which represents the size after 5 years of growth.

                                                                                        1. re: RealMenJulienne

                                                                                          compare the spill size in gallons, and the size of the gulf, real men julienne. while it appears "huge" to us as we watched the gushing well, the amount in proportion to the gulf is relatively minor.

                                                                                          ~~~~~~~
                                                                                          """If The Gulf Was A Football Stadium...
                                                                                          If the Gulf of Mexico - the 7th largest body of water in the world, containing approximately 660 quadrillion gallons of water (that's 660 with 15 zeros) - was represented by Cowboys Stadium in Dallas - the largest domed stadium in the world - how would the spill stack up?

                                                                                          In this example, the amount of oil spilled - if the Gulf of Mexico was the size of Cowboys Stadium - would be about the size of a 24 ounce can of beer.

                                                                                          Cowboys stadium has an internal volume of approximately 104 million cubic feet, compared to the just over 50 cubic inches of volume in a 24-ounce can.

                                                                                          Just like the can, the spilled oil represents only .00000002788% of the liquid volume present in the Gulf of Mexico, although as the oil is dispersed, the amount of water affected becomes substantially greater."""
                                                                                          http://www.cnbc.com/id/38294088/What_...

                                                                                          1. re: alkapal

                                                                                            Here's a recent article about dead and dying coral reefs nearby:

                                                                                            http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spi...

                                                                                            I do think the effects are going to be slower being discovered and quantified. I hadn't thought about the overfishing aspect. I guess it would be a hard sell to the fishermen down there.

                                                                                            1. re: c oliver

                                                                                              the dying coral is a worldwide phenomena for years now.

                                                                                              1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                Yes. But these are reefs that are part of an ongoing study and this is a new phenomenum since they were visited last.

                                                                                            2. re: alkapal

                                                                                              The Gulf and the Cowboys (1-7) are both having a tough year.
                                                                                              The long line ban for grouper fishing was imposed in January and was lifted on Sept 1. I don't know if there was a connection to industry pressures or sympathy, but that moratorium had nothing to do with the grouper reproductive stock and all to do with turtles being caugh and drowning.
                                                                                              The shrimp boats on Florida's central gulf do not range as far as where the plume was defined, but I suppose nobody can be certain of the perimeter if there is one. It appears that currents are favorable to the Apalachicola area and its oyster beds, which has me wonder why some local restaurants are sourcing oysters from Texas. I like the plumper Apalachicolas.
                                                                                              A big concern every year is the size of the "dead zone" where all the phosphates carried down the Mississippi River are deposited in the gulf and create a huge constant plume that is too oxygen depleted to support marine life. As alkapal points out, the gulf is a large area, but still I wish there was more and trustworty information. Meanwhile I will continue to enjoy the gulf's bounty although stone crabs are wickedly expensive this season.

                                                                                              1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                The demand for Apalachicolas in the state of Florida has always been quite heavy, and the supply has been hit of miss this year because a lot of oystermen took retainers from BP, and you couldn't harvest while you were technically on BP's dime.

                                                                                                So I could see sourcing from Texas for cost and relaible supply chain reasons.

                                                                                              2. re: alkapal

                                                                                                The football stadium comparison is not convincing to me, because as a non scientist I don't know if that is a meaningful comparison. It triggers an emotionally positive reaction, nothing more. For all I know the stated .00000002788% is thousands of times more than is necessary to totally destroy the Gulf ecology... or not.

                                                                                                Because of economic suffering by Gulf fishermen it is overwhelmingly in the short term interest of the federal government to declare Gulf seafood sustainable. I still think it's best to abstain from or severely reduce our intake of Gulf seafood until long-term, more levelheaded figures become available.

                                                                                                1. re: RealMenJulienne

                                                                                                  well, it doesn't take a scientist to know that a can of beer in a domed stadium ain't squat. there is oil leaking up from the basin of the gulf NATURALLy everyday. the gulf deals with it in its ecologically wonderful way. i'm not excusing there being consequences to alleged bad actors from real malfeasance, should it be proven.

                                                                                                  but, you (and others) go ahead and refrain, and let the shrimpers suffer because of your unsubstantiated concerns. i'll try to help them as i can; there is nothing as good as gulf shrimp, in my book.

                                                                                                  the largest devastation to the local economy and the people who live and work there in the gulf region is not the oil spill, but the f'n moratorium on drilling.

                                                                                                  1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                    A can of beer poured poured onto your scalp and a can of beer poured into your lungs are very different. The quantity of oil spilled relative to the volume of the entire Gulf is not the relative consideration. It's where the oil spilled and what the sensitivities of wildlife dependent on those areas are that are relevant.

                                                                                                    1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                      Alkapal -- I too agree that the beer can analogy doesn't hold water (+1 for the pun!). The exxon spill in Alaska is still affecting the shorelines to this day. The BP spill was MUCH larger and in a completely different ecosystem -- to shrug it off with a proportion analogy is unfortunate.

                                                                                                      Do you have sources, preferably authored by a benthic ecologist or geologist, that there is oil leaking into the Gulf of similar proportions to the BP spill?

                                                                                                      1. re: mateo21

                                                                                                        mateo, i never asserted that oil leaks naturally at the same rate as the well was leaking. second, how exactly is the exxon valdez spill still affecting the shoreline ecosystem in alaska? i did not "shrug" the spill off; but i think it is not sensationalist enough for some to point out the common sense approach looking at the volumetric analysis.

                                                                                                        racer x, you don't tell me how the can of beer is in the lungs. has there been gross widespread degradation of shrimp spawning areas in the estuaries? what about the numbers of fish affected? wouldn't someone fishing avoid selling tainted product? it is easy to find anecdotal evidence of "wary fishermen" if you want to do so to support a political/environmental agenda. i'd like to look at the overall situation with the vast majority of shrimpers and fishermen.

                                                                                                      2. re: alkapal

                                                                                                        "well, it doesn't take a scientist to know that a can of beer in a domed stadium ain't squat"

                                                                                                        Actually, it does take a scientist to know. The 'common sense approach'? What we call common sense has little to do with reality and is very easily manipulated by outside influences and by our own biases.

                                                                                                        The only way for us to get truly accurate, less biased information about Gulf sustainability is to wait and see. When political pressure has died down we may be able to see some trustworthy results. Until then, I'll avoid Gulf seafood.

                                                                                                        1. re: RealMenJulienne

                                                                                                          Sadly, many Oystermen in the Apalachacola, F.l fishery are being contacted by unscrupulous lawyers (is there any other kind?) to testify to physical and mental problems, stress, economic chaos, marital and family problems etc. etc. in the hopes of getting that pot of gold!!!! So, of course with the image of hitting the lottery; they will say anything that will cast blame on the spill.

                                                                                                          1. re: ospreycove

                                                                                                            Actually, there is an interesting article in Sunday's New York Times Magazine discussing how plaintiff lawyers are being left out of any litigation...BP didn't willingly put up a fund because they thought it was the moral thing to do, it was done to distract and deter litigation.

                                                                                                            http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/07/mag...

                                                                                                            1. re: FoodChic

                                                                                                              um, let me say as an attorney that plaintiff's lawyers are never going to be "left out" of any litigation that might make them some money.

                                                                                                              how are they "left out" anyway? who is stopping them from getting clients or suing?

                                                                                              3. re: RealMenJulienne

                                                                                                You make a lot of sense- I completely agree with your first paragraph. Sorry about the fishermen having a drastic drop in income, but then I work in health care, we've been desperately trying to recover for years from economic downturns.

                                                                                              4. "... Louisiana Bayoukeeper Tracy Kuhns urged the state to do a better job in collecting and testing samples from water bottoms along the coast for the presence of oil than the Coast Guard and other federal agencies, which have repeatedly denied finding oil.

                                                                                                'We get reports every day from recreational and commercial boats that behind their boats is oil, and it's coming from somewhere.... How are we going to do restoration in those areas when the oil is in the sediment?' "
                                                                                                http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spi...
                                                                                                NOLA.com 10/27/10

                                                                                                "Last Friday, the boat captains said they were frustrated by a lack of response from the Coast Guard, after they had been reporting the sightings for a week.

                                                                                                Dean Blanchard, of Dean Blanchard Seafood Inc. in Grand Isle, Louisiana, spoke with Truthout about the Coast Guard claim that the substance was likely algae.

                                                                                                'Hell, we got oil coming in here everyday, it's all around us; we know what oil is,' Blanchard said. 'The Coast Guard should change the color of their uniforms, since they are working for BP.' ...

                                                                                                [Environmentalist Jonathan] Henderson is angered by what he saw Saturday [October 23]. 'Much of the water we flew over today was open for commercial and recreational fishing.... We saw shrimp boats trawling in a bay full of oil.... What we ascertained from conversations with aviators flying through these waters today was that that scientists had gone out and then returned and reported these waters clear....
                                                                                                But we went out and flew over these same areas and sensitive marshlands and found them completely covered in oil, and with shrimp boats trawling in them.' "
                                                                                                http://www.truth-out.org/fishermen-re...
                                                                                                truth-out.org 10/27/10

                                                                                                "One local activist, 'Mac' Mackenzie of NOLA Emergency Response, decided that it was time to take matters into her own hands.... She obtained two pounds of locally caught shrimp from Venice, a small town located in the heart of Southern Louisiana. The samples were promptly transported on ice to a laboratory in Mobile Alabama, where Chemist Dr. Robert Namen tested the digestive tracts of the shrimp for components of crude oil. What they found was an alarming 193 parts per million of 'Oil & Grease' ...."
                                                                                                http://www.opednews.com/articles/URGE...
                                                                                                Project Gulf Impact posted in OpEd News 11/6/10

                                                                                                1. I agree that there are reasons for all parties who are criticizing the government's assurances of the safety of the Gulf seafood to be very biased in their assessments. But is not the same true of those who are insisting the seafood is safe?

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                                                                                                  1. re: racer x

                                                                                                    Yes. And if it's killing coral, why isn't it killing/harming seafood?

                                                                                                    1. re: c oliver

                                                                                                      oh here is your coral argument again, but you never addressed worldwide coral demise happening for years. instead you attribute it to the spill. what about other areas, where they're not driliing?

                                                                                                      1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                        Did you read the article I linked to?

                                                                                                        1. re: alkapal

                                                                                                          people die every day. that doesn't mean shooting people in the head isn't killing them, just because they die other ways too. the coral is dying off, oil or no oil. that doesn't mean the oil spill did not kill more coral.

                                                                                                          1. re: thew

                                                                                                            gotta chime in, coral is far more fragile and can't move for "greener" pastures. so it's sad. but this tragedy is not their biggest threat.

                                                                                                    2. Beyond the safety factor, the question is if the populatiion of gulf shrimp is still sustainable with current fishing levels. Answer me both questions, and I'll give you my answer.

                                                                                                      1. I'd eat 'em if I didn't have a shrimper friend who brings me SC shrimp straight off the boat. Don't hate me 'cause I lucky!

                                                                                                        1. For what it's worth. I can certainly understand a persons concerns with consuming Gulf shrimp.

                                                                                                          I'm sure we've all heard about the microbes that are present in the warm waters of the Gulf that have consumed a good amount of the oil from the spill. And I think there is some concern among scientists about those microbes, which are in turn consumed by other larger organisms and so on and so on and thus 'moving up the food chain'.

                                                                                                          I also think there is yet much more research that needs to be, and is being, done to make any real determinations as to the continuing and or final effects of the spill on the environment and the living organisms and other animals that inhabit the Gulf.

                                                                                                          We must also remember that before this spill the the Gulf has always been subject to 'natural' leakage.

                                                                                                          If someone wants to eat creatures from the Gulf that's their choice. But I certainly don't discount those who have concerns and or choose not to.

                                                                                                          http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/1...

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                                                                                                          1. re: crt

                                                                                                            Thanks for your reasonable response.

                                                                                                            1. re: Pincus

                                                                                                              You're welcome Pinus. As with any topic, no matter the subject, often times there are people on both sides who are highly defensive of their beliefs to the point that they will totally discount each other. Unfortunately that usually doesn't foster understanding and respect for each others belief.

                                                                                                          2. Scientists, academia ones, not ones from the Dept. of Energy being paid by grants from BP, are now re-thinking the micorobe theory. In fact it seems that these microbes may have only consumed 10% of the spill. They are finding the the bottom is still oily...and dead.

                                                                                                            So again I can certainly understand anyone's apprehention when it comes to consuming seafood from the Gulf region.

                                                                                                            http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Scienti...

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                                                                                                            1. re: crt

                                                                                                              Currently Yellow edge Grouper, Habitat is in the 500 ft and deeper range, is being brought in by the longliners to A.P. Bell in Cortez. The fish are beautiful we purchased some at dockside, very tasty, usually they never make it to restaurants, as they are difficult to obtain, way too deep!
                                                                                                              Also Stone Crab season is in full swing as well as Gulf Shrimp, Pompano, Flounder and inshore, Red Fish, Speckled Trout, are plentiful now. I eat all of the above as Gulf Seafood has no competition in taste and freshness!!!!

                                                                                                            2. Not only would I....I just did!! ~~ Shrimp Po-boys for supper tonight!

                                                                                                              1. thought of this thread because i just saw a report of unusual numbers of dead baby dolphins in the gulf. the scientist said the highest numbers he has ever seen in wintertime. did not mention the spill, but they have no idea why.

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                                                                                                                1. re: thew

                                                                                                                  Thew, Could be result of very cold winter here. Last year it was the same and many Snook, a tasty shallow water game fish experienced a huge die off, so much so the season is effectively closed for 2011. Manatees were also killed in numbers way above the average, last year. We spotted and reported a dead adult near Longboat Key in January. The link below is for 2010, as the tabulation is not complete for this winter.
                                                                                                                  http://www.tbd.com/blogs/weather/2011...

                                                                                                                  1. re: ospreycove

                                                                                                                    I think the number was less than ten, and there are zillions of the damned things out there. It's not uncommon to see a half dozen or so while out wadefishing. I call them damned things because fishing usually shuts down when they appear. I just bought some Gulf snapper and shrimp today, and I hate buying fish, but the snapper was on sale, and because of the Feds draconian limits on snapper, two plus closed seasons it just doesn't pay to go offshore anymore.

                                                                                                                    1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                                      James, I agree with you about going off shore,Grouper???, especially with the current spike in fuel $. That is why I am relying on A.P. Bell more I check to see when some of the boats I know are going to unload, that is where I get Yellow Edge Grouper. Thgat is one fish that is way too deep for us to fish for!!!! The actual number for manatee found "floating last winter was 279 killed as a result of "cold chill" total deaths for the year was almost 800. Whenever a dolphin or a manatee comes into the flats, like turning off a switch the fish stop biting.

                                                                                                                      1. re: ospreycove

                                                                                                                        Ospreycove, the boats I go on don't get to grouper land, but they are one great tasting fish. I'll pick one up ine Galveston now and then. We just dodged the bullet on a fish kill/freeze here in the Galveston Bay area, and there's been some bad ones in the past. As far as Flipper showing up and ruining the fishing, one time two years ago the hated dolphin were there but the group of guys I was with were slamming the trout and reds. I had to go to work, landed a 26 inch red, and waded back in, turning my back on incredible action with 7 trout and 1 red, three trout and two reds short of a limit I know I would have had, and at 20-25 dollars a fish market, ouch! Like you said, usually the dolphins are the kiss of death, and we don't get many manatees over here.

                                                                                                                        1. re: ospreycove

                                                                                                                          As I type I'm watching 180 fishermen in St. Pete protesting against yet another proposed grouper moratorium. We just had one from Jan. to August.
                                                                                                                          I went to Bell Fish and Star today, bought slabs of swordfish and yellowfin tuna loins, (sashimi tonight -lots of it!) and 12-count pink gulf shrimp. Purty as a Georgia O'Keefe painting.

                                                                                                                          1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                            How much do y'all give for them there 12 count shrimp over there. I saw some for 11.98 at a local HEB grocery in Houston today, but I'm sure they're less in Galveston, and in Florida. I bought the 26-30's for 6.47. As far as these Gulf restricions, the conventional wisdom over here is that the Feds are beyond a clue.

                                                                                                                            1. re: James Cristinian

                                                                                                                              My tuna, swordfish, and 12-count shrimp were all $15/lb. There aren't as many boats trawling and fishing the Florida gulf as 5 years ago, so I'll get it while I can. I'm pretty sure my shrimp have at least a 2-day start on those at the HEB. Florida shimp are noticeably less available in the major grocers here.

                                                                                                                              1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                Just came back from A.P. Bell, Cortez, The "Katie Belle" , a commercial boat, had just finished unloading; my friend and I picked out 5 Scamp ,(grouper), whole fish @$6.00/lb. they were beautiful, we had the fish dressed out there for another $15.00. We got the cheeks, to sautee for appetizers, throats, for Fruta di Mare and frames, (for stock), as well as 21 pounds of filets. Counting only the filets we paid just $10.25/lb for Scamp filets, fresh off the boat!!!!! Having grilled Scamp tonight......