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smartie Aug 1, 2010 09:20 PM

sad to see Brad go, am getting very fed up with Aarti - very one dish wonder.

why was Giada wearing the same black dress from last week?

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  1. DiningDiva RE: smartie Aug 1, 2010 10:09 PM

    I was so hoping it would be Aria not Brad.

    I figured Aarti was safe at least one more week even though she screwed up. Susie essentially called her out on her waffling, but I was kind of surprised to hear Bobby call her "high maintenance". For weeks I thought this was Aarti's to loose, now I'm not so sure.

    Tom's tale of 2 tunas *was* inspired. Loved it. Also loved Herb's dish, but agreed with the "W" going to Tom.

    1. coney with everything RE: smartie Aug 2, 2010 05:35 AM

      Kind of figured it would be a guy, just so they could have two boys/two girls in the final. Last week I figured it would be Tom but of course his "story" was great this week.

      However, I for one am heartily sick of the "Stories" being of more importance than the food. Bring a tear to Susie's eye if you want to win this sucker.

      Which is why I like Ann Burell. She has some (many?) annoying speech quirks, but her stories consist of "this is how we roll at the restaurant". And her food looks good and her technique is viable in a home kitchen. Good enough for me!

      1. chowser RE: smartie Aug 2, 2010 05:52 AM

        Aarti is getting on my nerves but unless you consider Indian food "one dish", she has made many different dishes, different preps, different meats, etc. She made a lamb pilau, mango chutney yesterday. She's never done it before. I find that flower in her hair distracting. Wish she'd do something else, wonder if she's using it as her trademark.

        Tom is growing more and more on me. I was surprised they kept Aria over Brad but he never developed much of a camera personality and his food, though he is the pro as he keeps saying, was not consistent and often bad. I'm glad he finally ditched the "pro" view as something new and different--what an insult it would be to all the pros on Food Network, especially with Bobby Flay and Giada as judges!

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          Joanie RE: chowser Aug 2, 2010 06:13 AM

          I had a feeling Aria would get it over Brad just cuz she won the first part of the nite so since neither of them were great in the 2nd part, she had the edge. Too bad. Her kid was a cutie tho. Kind of funny to see Brad and his "dude" brother whereas everyone else is crying with the kids and SO's.

          1. re: Joanie
            xo_kizzy_xo RE: Joanie Aug 2, 2010 06:30 AM

            I wasn't surprised they kept Aria over Brad, not in the least. He's the better cook, but she has the better presence. As charming as Brad is, he still hadn't reached the point where he could "turn it on" the way Aria and Aarti can. So, from that point...yeah, I understand his elimination.

            Tom's been growing on me too. That jealousy story about the tuna was a riot!

            Herb -- eh, I'm really not sure about him. I like him, but I've never been wholly convinced that he can consistently deliver.

            I LOL'd at Bobby's remark about Aarti being high-maintenance. I agree with him. And yay for Susie slapping her down to earth!

            1. re: xo_kizzy_xo
              The Dairy Queen RE: xo_kizzy_xo Aug 2, 2010 07:24 AM

              You know, I was really sad to see Brad go because he seems so likeable, but Brad's food hasn't been that consistently good, which is really inexcusable for someone who "dubs himself the pro chef." The salmon he served to Wolfgang Puck was good (even though Brad knew the quality of the fish itself was subpar)...the dish he served at Sinatra's house was good, and the chops he at the underground LA restaurant were good, thanks to Herb's idea to slice and grill them. But, Brad has had at least as many food misfires as he has had successes, perhaps more.

              I am so glad Tom won. Loved his dish and the story that went with it.

              I agree with you that Flay's "high-maintenance" criticism of Aarti and Susie's remark that there won't be a team of therapists propping her up and fanning sunshine at her were exactly what needed to be said. Once again, Aarti isn't used to losing and once she lost in the first challenge, it sent her on a tail-spin for the second. But, I still don't get how "Aarti Paarti" is a POV. Bleh. The more I listened to her last night longing for her "mum" the more it reinforced how juvenile I think she is.

              I agree with you about Herb. People keep talking about his "star quality" and I just don't see it. I see desperation when I look at Herb. His "highs" are uncomfortably manic for me and his lows are painful to watch.

              There is still something about Aria I like. I wish she could pull it together. I think she's too much of a people pleaser and is making the mistake of letting the feedback she's getting push her away from who she really is.


            2. re: Joanie
              chowser RE: Joanie Aug 2, 2010 09:03 AM

              I shouldn't have said I was surprised Aria stayed as much as I would have liked Brad to stay over her. I felt bad for Brad since he only got his brother. What about parents? Friends?

              I also think, since they told Aarti that they don't have therapists before each episode and she needed to pull it together, that they should have told Herb the same thing. Herb has had even more ups and downs. Anyway, I don't think I'd watch a cooking show with any of them as hosts. But, then, I haven't really watched any cooking show w/ the previous winners.

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                The Dairy Queen RE: chowser Aug 2, 2010 09:44 AM

                HA! Totally agree that Herb needed the same pep talk, although, he doesn't seem to pout and whine in quite the same way, expecting that others will come smooth his feathers. He just internalizes it, causing himself to bomb.


          2. PattiCakes RE: smartie Aug 2, 2010 08:10 AM

            I don't like Aria, although I can't pinpoint exactly why. Perhaps it has something to do with her forced, all-too-desparate delivery? I'd much rather invite Brad into my home than Aria. And I am soooo over Aarti. Talk about a princess! That pout, that whine....grow a set & stop playing the little curried flower!

            I'm still not sure that Herb has a consistant focus, although he is likable. I think it's Tom's to lose. Of all of them, he is coming off as the most genuine, the most natural. And of all of them, he is the one I'd tune in to watch.

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              The Dairy Queen RE: PattiCakes Aug 2, 2010 08:15 AM

              I agree it's Tom's to lose at this point. He needs to figure out what to do with his hands when he's talking though. I hope he can pull it off. I did not like him at all in the beginning, but he's grown on me.

              I think Aria can be either super natural and comfortable or really forced. I think when she's being herself, she's great, but when she's trying to adapt herself to please the selection committee she's awkward.


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                jujuthomas RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 3, 2010 05:47 AM

                ITA. Tom was in it to win it this week, and had a great story and great food. If he keeps going like this we'll see him take it all. :)

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                  The Dairy Queen RE: jujuthomas Aug 3, 2010 05:59 AM

                  I think I might actually watch Tom's show. He does seem to have the cooking chops. As much as I am interested in the idea of Indian cooking, something about Aarti puts me off a little. I'd rather watch Spice Goddess on Cooking Channel. That woman is actually a cookbook author. She seems a little more credentialed than Aarti.

                  Speaking of CC, they have quite a few interesting shows--I'm enjoying Luke's Vietnam, quite a bit.


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                    PattiCakes RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 3, 2010 11:26 AM

                    I need to find CC in my cable channel array and make a point of visiting. Unfortunately it's not in the "cluster" of channels I usually watch, so it's going to mean creating a new habit to force myself to get there. I love ethic cooking shows, and it sounds like CC has them. Thanks, TDQ, for reminding me!

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                      jujuthomas RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 3, 2010 11:46 AM

                      I'm going to have to look for Luke's Vietnam! :)

              2. jmckee RE: smartie Aug 2, 2010 08:14 AM

                I just don't see Herb. I think the one gal -- can't remember her name -- is the one convinced he's got "star quality." He doesn't; he's dull to watch, stumbles over his presentations, and hasn't had a good outing yet. Are they bowing and scraping to his "personal trainer / eat healthy" approach? (Guys -- here's a hint: I don't tune into Food Network to learn how to "eat healthy.")

                Tom's story and dish knocked it out of the stadium -- the best performance yet in this series. I am growing to like him a lot.

                My wife doesn't like ANY of the female contestants. And she noted it was funny that Aria went to Aarti for comfort after her vow to "Pearl Harbor" her when she was running the group meal.

                1. NYCkaren RE: smartie Aug 2, 2010 08:28 AM

                  I was surprised Brad left but I think he's just too young and inexperienced to carry a show. I can see the Food Network keeping him around like they've done with Kelsey, who was also too young.

                  It was weird how they brought the families in and then snatched them away. Very mean to a kid as young as Aria's, who was sobbing.

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                  1. re: NYCkaren
                    Longhorn13 RE: NYCkaren Aug 2, 2010 09:50 AM

                    My wife said the same thing about the kid. Not seeing your mom for however many weeks (eight is what I think I heard them say) and then taking him away.

                    I was surprised to see Brad go. He was trending upwards, and Aria was on somewhat of a down-slide, with the exception of the current episode.

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                    Parrotgal RE: smartie Aug 2, 2010 09:01 AM

                    I actually think the 2 shows I would watch are Herb's and Aarti's. I love, love, love Latin food, but am always looking for a way to make it as healthy as possible. And I love Indian food but am very intimidated by the idea of making it.

                    I also understand Herb's fat fear. All of us who were once big and have managed to change have some food fear. That's one reason it would be nice to have that program to watch.

                    As someone else said, I just don't like Aria that much. Don't quite know why, but I don't. And I don't find her food especially inspiring or interesting.

                    1. ipsedixit RE: smartie Aug 2, 2010 09:37 AM

                      Anyone else find the whole "bringing in a loved one to intro the ingredient they hate" thing just a bit strained and over-the-top?

                      I actually stopped watching after that.

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                      1. re: ipsedixit
                        The Dairy Queen RE: ipsedixit Aug 2, 2010 09:43 AM

                        I think they stole the "loved one" concept from Survivor, and I think it just reinforces that they realize NFNS exists more for its own entertainment value than for identifying the next star...


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                        jackbauer RE: smartie Aug 2, 2010 09:47 AM

                        Who was the Top Chef contestant from several seasons ago who also had to do a dish based on jealousy? I remember he did 2 types of fish, I think the trout was jealous of the salmon or something along those lines.

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                          The Dairy Queen RE: jackbauer Aug 2, 2010 09:50 AM

                          Oh no! Say it ain't so! Tom didn't come up with the jealousy idea on his own?


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                            PattiCakes RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 2, 2010 10:06 AM

                            Even if he didn't, kudos for having done some exceptional research and having the accuity to apply it. ANY cheftestant on ANY show should have points deducted right off the top if they haven't done their homework.

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                              The Dairy Queen RE: PattiCakes Aug 2, 2010 10:50 AM

                              I would respect him more if he credited his inspiration. Perhaps he did and that was edited out.


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                                chowser RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 2, 2010 10:56 AM

                                I think his was creative enough and different from using two different fish that it was probably his own idea. But, even if he got it from someone, his twist was different enough that he might not have thought he needed to, or, as you said, maybe he did and it wasn't shown. I give him credit for a clever, well thought out idea. I think his was the most clever interpretation of an emotion that I've seen, for both Top Chef and this show. Most seem to cook whatever they wanted and contrived why it fit the word.

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                                  The Dairy Queen RE: chowser Aug 2, 2010 11:04 AM

                                  Well, I didn't see the jealousy "salmon" episode, so, I can't really say how much Tom "borrowed" from the Top Chef contestant, but if all he basically did was change the fish from salmon to tuna and change the names of the fish (which I thought were very cute, Ahina and whatever the other one was), but kept the story and and the recipes basically the same, I think he should have given credit to the person who inspired him. Hard to say without having seen the salmon episode, but, in general, I prefer when people err on the side of giving credit than not, which, again, he may have done and we just didn't see. I think uncredited plagiarism is a slimy, despicable thing.

                                  I'd like to hear more from someone who saw that Top Chef episode.

                                  I hate to say it, but this tarnishes Tom in my eyes, if it's really true.


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                                    chowser RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 2, 2010 11:15 AM

                                    Yes, plagiarism is wrong but,as you said, we have no idea what happened. I'd rather give him the benefit of the doubt since we don't even know 1) if someone has done two different fish being jealous and in what respect, 2) whether Tom saw the show and remembered it for this challenge, 3) whether Tom thought he had put enough of a twist to make it a completely different idea, 4) whether they edited it out if he had said it (why show a credit to a competitor show, or 5) in the heat of the moment, he forgot to say he'd see it elsewhere but it slipped his mind?). I'm sure there are many duplicate ideas with all these cooking shows and challenges and no one cooks in a vacuum--we're all influenced by things we see but forget where/when.

                                    1. re: chowser
                                      ChefJune RE: chowser Aug 2, 2010 11:27 AM

                                      The odds that Tom's concept had anything to do with a potential past Top Chef episode is really stretching, imho. I have watched all the episodes of all the seasons of Top Chef, and have absolutely NO recollection of such a dish.

                                      I thought Tom's story was clever, and clearly his dish was delicious. Why are you trying to diminish what he did? These contestants have to do an awful lot of thinking and reacting on their feet in these shows. Going back in one's brain to some years-ago episode of a TV show is pretty unlikely (even IF there was a similar "jealousy fish" episode).

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                                        The Dairy Queen RE: ChefJune Aug 2, 2010 11:42 AM

                                        I assume you intended to reply to me, not chowser. I did not see the Top Chef episode, but based on donovt's comment below http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7247... I am satisfied that Tom's idea was different enough from the "Top Chef" contestant's idea that it doesn't sound like Tom substantially copied the other person's concept.

                                        But, let me just say, in creative fields, being "forgetful" about where you get your creative inspiration is not a very good defense. It might be very human, but it could still be plagiarism, even if unintended. But, as I just said, it doesn't sound to me that that's what's happened here, so it's pretty moot.

                                        But, again, I don't think it sounds like Tom got enough of his inspiration from this Top Chef episode to make it an ethics problem and, even if he did, and even if he did give credit to where his inspiration came from, there's no way for us to know if FN edited that out. So, even if it seemed like plagiarism, which it doesn't, there's no way to know the whole story.


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                                          chowser RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 2, 2010 12:23 PM

                                          It's a fine line between getting inspiration from someone else and stealing an idea. I am a calligrapher and it's discussed often, and in depth, in the community. The best defining line, that I've heard, is that if the original artist looks at the piece and sees his/her idea, it's stealing. But, if someone does a piece in a certain color that you like and you use that color scheme in another piece, where the person doesn't recognize it, it's not stealing.

                                          So, if another chef had used fish in a jealousy challenge, he/she might not think of his/her own dish. If he/she (we need a generic pronoun) did a raw fish and a spicy fish, saw Tom's and said, "Hey, I did that!" then it's more questionnable. But, using the same protein means nothing.

                                          1. re: chowser
                                            The Dairy Queen RE: chowser Aug 2, 2010 12:34 PM

                                            As someone who also belongs to a creative community where plagiarism is oft discussed, I agree with you that it doesn't seem to apply in this situation. (I've said that several times now, in response to several people.) But, for the record (not really relevant to this discussion), I don't actually think the line between stealing an idea and getting inspiration from someone else is all that fine. I think it's a thick, heavy, dark line.

                                            But, again, this situation with Tom and the Jealous Tuna doesn't appear to be the former (stealing), and might not even be the latter (getting inspiration from).


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                                              chowser RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 2, 2010 02:05 PM

                                              I don't know--Person A makes a fish dish for a challenge that has been done before. Different techniques, different fish. Person B has previously used fish for that challenge that Person A saw. Stealing? I didn't think so, nor did others, but you did. So it is a fine line.

                                              1. re: chowser
                                                The Dairy Queen RE: chowser Aug 2, 2010 02:32 PM

                                                Actually the situation you are describing--different techniques, different fish (and no apparent mention of the story)-- is much broader than the situation I described above. http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7247... In my post above I specificically said "if all he basically did was change the fish from salmon to tuna and change the names of the fish [...] but kept the story and and the recipes basically the same, I think he should have given credit to the person who inspired him."

                                                I was giving a huge amount of importance to the "story" and the "recipes" (by recipes I meant the "fiery/chili" tuna vs. the "cool" tuna, but I probably should have used the word "technique" as you did. It's more precise).

                                                The broader situation you describe doesn't sound like plagiarism at all to me, and that's why I was saying the line wasn't that fine.

                                                In that same post I also specifically said that I hadn't seen the Top Chef Episode so I couldn't really say and that I hoped to hear more from someone who had seen the episode. And I included a fair amount of cautionary "if" kinds of language along the longs of "it's it's really true." I also noted that it's possible that he gave credit, but we didn't see that for whatever reason.

                                                Anyway, jackbauer has now filled us in with more info, the fish were different (salmon and trout vs. tuna prepared two ways) and the emotion was different (envy vs. jealousy) and donovt has said there was no story, just a remark. That sounds very different to me, not plagiarism and perhaps not even enough similarity to suppose that Tom drew inspiration from Top Chef, though he could have. If he did, that wouldn't bother me one bit.

                                                EDIT: P.S. not to beat a dead fish...but now I can go back to loving Tom's dish and story--as I originally did (paragraph #2) http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7247... :).


                                                1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                  chowser RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 2, 2010 03:08 PM

                                                  When I was talking about fine line, I meant, there are situations where it's hard to distinguish. Sure, using the exact same method/food is stealing, using fish is not. But, what if someone had used beef in the same way? Probably? What about fish, two different types, one being sushi, the other not spicy? What about using tuna in two different ways, one seared with wasabi? There are many scenarios where you could credit the original idea but it's so different that no one would associate the two. As I've said, there are few completely original ideas anymore. If someone drew a picture of a farmer couple, does he have to credit Wyatt, if he had seen the picture first? That's what I mean by fine line.

                                        2. re: ChefJune
                                          chowser RE: ChefJune Aug 2, 2010 12:19 PM

                                          As DQ said, I was defending Tom. I had said his was one of the most creative and clever dishes I've seen on any cooking show.

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                                            jackbauer RE: chowser Aug 2, 2010 12:48 PM

                                            When I started this side topic about the previous Top Chef challenge, it never occurred to me to think Tom was plagiarizing. I did think, however, that Food Network was posing a pretty unoriginal challenge. I may be thinking of the season (4?) episode of Top Chef with the comedy troupe and the chefs had to do a color, emotion and something else. Dunno, these shows all run together after a while!

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                                              DiningDiva RE: jackbauer Aug 2, 2010 12:54 PM

                                              HGTV Design Star has had contestants (a truly sorry lot) this season design rooms based on a muscial instrument and a flower. Scripps Media owns them as well, hopefully, the "Secret Ingredient" for next week's IC Food Star event will be neither musical nor floral

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                                                kprange RE: DiningDiva Aug 2, 2010 04:04 PM

                                                They are a sorry lot! I can't believe I am watching the show this year!!

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                                                  DiningDiva RE: kprange Aug 2, 2010 04:34 PM

                                                  I quite watching Design Star, none of these people were entertaining, nor are any of them very good designers. We did a whole house remodel last year, and *I* could do a better job than any of these designtestants

                                              2. re: jackbauer
                                                The Dairy Queen RE: jackbauer Aug 2, 2010 01:00 PM

                                                FN was plagiarizing!



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                                                  jackbauer RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 2, 2010 01:26 PM

                                                  NOW I REMEMBER! Good old Mikey from season 2 had the dental surgery and had someone else present his food to Debbie Mazar. He had the deadly sin of envy, and his trout envied his salmon. Whew, now I feel better!

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                                                    The Dairy Queen RE: jackbauer Aug 2, 2010 01:41 PM

                                                    That is pretty hilarious.


                                                    1. re: jackbauer
                                                      donovt RE: jackbauer Aug 2, 2010 02:59 PM

                                                      Yes, that was it. The challenge was the 7 deadly sins.

                                                  2. re: jackbauer
                                                    chowser RE: jackbauer Aug 2, 2010 02:07 PM

                                                    LOL, there are VERY few completely unique ideas out there. I'm sure everyone is guilty of jumping off someone else's idea. As I said, no one works in the vacuum. Ooh, see, there I stole a cliche,

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                                              donovt RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 2, 2010 11:16 AM

                                              If I remember the tc episode correctly there was no story behind it. The chef just said that trout is jealous of salmon.

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                                                The Dairy Queen RE: donovt Aug 2, 2010 11:17 AM

                                                Ah, okay, that makes me feel better.


                                  2. DiningDiva RE: smartie Aug 2, 2010 11:40 AM

                                    Am I the only one who thought it was really odd that Aria made Milanese with a filet mignon? Seemed like an inapporpriate cut of meat to me for that treatment?

                                    Aside from the fact Tom knocked it out of the park this week, he's got my vote...his favorite FTV star is Ina Garten.

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                                      NYCkaren RE: DiningDiva Aug 2, 2010 11:48 AM

                                      I agree. Her dish was poorly conceived. And her story about wanting to get back together with her son's dad was a bit TMI, in my opinion.

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                                        The Dairy Queen RE: NYCkaren Aug 2, 2010 11:52 AM

                                        Totally TMI, in my opinion, but the judges on this show eat that kind of stuff up (e.,g Melissa's mother's suicide revelation last season). The problem for Aria this time around was that even if she connected the dots to "joy", which she forgot to do, the connection was too convoluted.


                                        1. re: NYCkaren
                                          kprange RE: NYCkaren Aug 2, 2010 04:06 PM

                                          It was TMI in the way it was presented - it sounded awkward and contrived to me. While I didn't understand why Melissa chose to disclose her mother's suicide at that particular moment, I did feel that it was at least relevant to her cooking.

                                          1. re: NYCkaren
                                            Withnail42 RE: NYCkaren Aug 2, 2010 05:25 PM

                                            A few years back it was 'Big Daddy' talking about his son running away.

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                                              kprange RE: Withnail42 Aug 2, 2010 07:08 PM

                                              Oh yea, that made me feel weird too. That didn't have anything to do with cooking either.

                                        2. goodhealthgourmet RE: smartie Aug 2, 2010 08:48 PM

                                          i was extremely disappointed to see Brad go. i liked him, and though he may not have taped into his camera presence just yet, i'd watch him over Aria any day.

                                          i'm glad to hear that i'm not alone in my annoyance with Aarti's fear/self-doubt/self-sabotage nonsense. get over it, or get off the show.

                                          Tom surprised me this week, in a good way. i thought his "Jealousy" story was creative and fun. his delivery still doesn't sit well with me, but perhaps he'll grow on me :)

                                          did anyone else catch the commercial that aired right after the camera challenge for a new FN show called "Family Style?" i totally freaked out and rewound it, thinking someone at FN had ROYALLY screwed up and aired a spoiler. i don't think Aria is going to win this, but if she does, she'll have to choose another name for her show!

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                                            Withnail42 RE: goodhealthgourmet Aug 3, 2010 03:36 AM

                                            I remember when 'Jag' was on and doing well, and before any of his 'issues' came to light, he wanted to do a latin show because FN didn't have one. Then while the contest was still going adds started running for Ingrid Hoffmans Latin cooking show. So it became clear to the viewer that Jag was not the winner,

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                                              Joanie RE: goodhealthgourmet Aug 3, 2010 03:54 AM

                                              Here's a little interview with Brad from Netscape news.


                                            2. pdxgastro RE: smartie Aug 2, 2010 10:05 PM

                                              I think the judges/producers/powers that be had Aarti in mind from Day 1. What kind of cooking show is the Food Network missing? Indian. Plus she has a great personality.

                                              Then again, they have only female Latin cooking hosts. So maybe they want Herb?

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                                              1. re: pdxgastro
                                                chowser RE: pdxgastro Aug 3, 2010 03:47 AM

                                                Come to think of it Food Network is heavy on processed food shows, quick and easy, southern but little on any ethnic shows. No Chinese, Thai, Indian, Japanese, anything.

                                                1. re: chowser
                                                  The Dairy Queen RE: chowser Aug 3, 2010 06:05 AM

                                                  I completely agree. The new Cooking Channel, which I think is a sister company to the FN has Chinese, Vietnamese, French, and Indian cooking shows. Those are the ones that I have just happened to notice ads for. The only ones I've really watched are about a half episode each of "Luke's Vietnam" and "Spice Goddess" (the Indian show). I was pretty charmed by Luke's Vietnam, actually. The guy is quite a character.


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                                                    chowser RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 3, 2010 10:30 AM

                                                    That makes me want to subscribe to it to catch them. I can't think of many food network cooking shows I can watch. Brian Boitano is the only one I can think of (don't bash me) and he's not even a cook! A show on Vietnamese cooking would be fascinating.

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                                                      The Dairy Queen RE: chowser Aug 3, 2010 10:36 AM

                                                      Thank you for admitting you like WWBBC. I think Boitano is hilarious, and his food is always appealing and creative. If you're going to feature home cooks on your network, why not feature a famous one?

                                                      Luke's Vietnam is fascinating. I don't know how good the recipes are as I haven't looked for them online or anything, but just watching him interact with the locals is fascinating.


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                                                        ipsedixit RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 3, 2010 10:59 AM

                                                        I like Luke's Vietnam as well, but half the time it just seems like he's tossing random ingredients together to make some sort of salad (e.g. dried shrimp, pomelo, scallops, Viet mint, etc.). Sounds tasty, but it just seems kind of odd. But I love how he just plops down on the middle of the street and starts cooking.

                                                        1. re: ipsedixit
                                                          The Dairy Queen RE: ipsedixit Aug 3, 2010 11:05 AM

                                                          Exactly! I'm thinking of the segment where it appears that he's just taken over some woman's booth at the open air market and starts making a salad. That's why I'm wondering if there are actually real recipes that accompany the show. In that segment, he split a wooden chopstick down the middle and used it to skewer pork (or something) so he could grill it. I loved how the old woman came in and tied the chopstick closed at the end with some twine for him. As in, "No, you're forgetting something, let me fix it for you." HA!


                                                          1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                            ipsedixit RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 3, 2010 11:16 AM

                                                            Recipes here : http://www.cookingchanneltv.com/lukes...

                                                            1. re: ipsedixit
                                                              The Dairy Queen RE: ipsedixit Aug 3, 2010 11:23 AM

                                                              Thanks for that! This is the one I saw him do with the chopsticks. Pretty interesting recipe, I think. http://www.cookingchanneltv.com/recip...


                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                The Dairy Queen RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 3, 2010 11:27 AM

                                                                P.S. before you get too excited about the awesomeness of cooking channel, be forewarned that they apparently also will be having a show by HungryGirl. http://www.hungry-girl.com/news/newsd... She's the Sandra Lee of diet food.


                                                                1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                  jujuthomas RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 3, 2010 11:48 AM

                                                                  Ah, but Hungry Girl doesn't claim to be a chef!

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                                                                    The Dairy Queen RE: jujuthomas Aug 3, 2010 11:56 AM

                                                                    It probably costs extra points. ;-).


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                                                                      jujuthomas RE: The Dairy Queen Aug 3, 2010 02:13 PM

                                                                      LOL it probably does! ;)

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                                                Reignking RE: smartie Aug 4, 2010 06:15 AM

                                                I can't believe that no one pointed out that Brad said, in the first challenge, that "instead of finishing of my risotto with heavy cream, as I always do, I used the ranch dressing." Glad to see he won't be getting his show "The Pro" any time soon.

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                                                1. re: Reignking
                                                  ChefJune RE: Reignking Aug 4, 2010 08:00 AM

                                                  He ws obliged to use the ranch dressing in his dish. I thought it was an inventive way to go.

                                                  1. re: ChefJune
                                                    The Dairy Queen RE: ChefJune Aug 4, 2010 08:07 AM

                                                    Me too!


                                                    1. re: ChefJune
                                                      Reignking RE: ChefJune Aug 6, 2010 12:00 PM

                                                      That's not the point -- the fact that he uses cream to "finish" his risotto means he doesn't know how to make a good risotto.

                                                  2. iL Divo RE: smartie Aug 4, 2010 07:59 AM

                                                    I'm done with Aria. Her little boy is adorable and I'm sure she's close to the top, but wish Brad would have stayed. Herb has to step it up, and yes, Aarti needs more confidence

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                                                      cmvan RE: smartie Aug 4, 2010 05:32 PM

                                                      We should all keep in mind that not winning TNFNS or TC doesn't mean you won't end up with your own tv or web show. Plenty of examples of this, including Lee Ann Wong, Kelsey Nixon, Adam Gertler.and Kevin Gillespie.

                                                      So as certain people are eliminated from these shows, you may very well see them again. To lose THE show is not necessarily to lose A show...

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                                                      1. re: cmvan
                                                        dmckean RE: cmvan Aug 6, 2010 12:16 PM

                                                        Plus the timeslot for the show they do win is awful.

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