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deweyweber54 Jul 27, 2010 06:22 PM

All - Greetings!
I'm certain that this post is on the wrong board, but here we go.

I really like watching chowhound type cooking shows on TV, but Good Eats starring Alton Brown is horrible. In addition, Adam at Man Eater or Man vs. food, pretty much unwatchable.

IMHO, Bourdain is the best the networks have to offer, Zimmern a 2 on a scale of 1 to 10.
What's out there on network/Cable TV that's interesting to watch?

Host, please put this topic on the correct board.

Cheers!

Dewey

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    ZagChef RE: deweyweber54 Jul 28, 2010 07:56 AM

    Honestly for me good eats is the only show other than iron chef on Food Network that I watch and it is one of my favorites because its the only show that I can acctaully learn something off of. As a chef I like to know as much about food as possible where it comes from, if something isnt happening whats the scientific reason that is making this not work. Even some of the most basic things Ive should of known I pick up on once in a while. So i guess it just depends on what your interst are.

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      applehome RE: ZagChef Jul 30, 2010 08:44 AM

      As a chef, I'm surprised you don't have a copy of McGee's _On Food and Cooking, The Science and Lore of the Kitchen_ ( http://www.amazon.com/Food-Cooking-Sc... ).

      There's nothing on Alton's show that isn't discussed in much greater detail in McGee's book. Another primary source for good food science and lore is Shirley Corriher's _CookWise: The Hows & Whys of Successful Cooking, The Secrets of Cooking Revealed_ ( http://www.amazon.com/CookWise-Succes... ).

      TV is TV, but for real information, look to the primary sources - like books! Alton is basically just a TV producer who's latched onto the shtick of taking things out of McGee's book and making TV shows out of them, dumbing down the material and making "science lite" productions. I would think that as a chef, you'd want the real thing - especially as it's all clearly indexed and easy to look up individual questions - you'd have a hard time queueing up Alton's shows looking for a particular answer.

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        Bada Bing RE: applehome Jul 30, 2010 09:39 AM

        With all due respect, your reply seems unnecessarily condescending. The thread is not about whether TV (or Alton) is the best cooking information source. It was about what food tv shows a person finds worth watching. You can't dispute what someone else likes watching. They like it, end of story.

        That said, I appreciate your tip about the McGee and Corriher books, which sound interesting.

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          applehome RE: Bada Bing Jul 30, 2010 01:45 PM

          "You can't dispute what someone else likes watching. They like it, end of story."

          Respectfully disagree.

          It's not the end of the story, at least not on a discussion board such as this. It's valid to ask, why? Is there something better? Liking something is not the be-all and end-all, just as deliciousness in and of itself is not where we stop learning. It's where we start learning, by asking questions.

          If Alton is a good show because you learn from it, I present another learning tool - something that I feel is better in many ways. That's my opinion, just like it was his that Alton's show was good because he learned something. Back and forth, pretty soon, you have a dialectic, and we all learn.

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            mateo21 RE: applehome Aug 23, 2010 09:42 PM

            Apple -- I believe it was more the "... taking things out of McGee's book... " that sounded to me like he was somehow stealing information from McGee in some plagiaristic way (e.g. Alton's "shtick" as you put it). I would have to agree with Bada here, it was rather condescending -- McGee most likely didn't do the research that produced his book, should we inveigh him for simply "latching onto the shtick" of taking information from publishing scientists and editing a book about it? I think not.

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              applehome RE: mateo21 Aug 24, 2010 04:58 AM

              McGee is well respected in the food science community amongst such powerhouse scientists as This and chefs as Adria. He wrote his tome many years ago (fairly recently updated) and while such reporters as him have staff, I imagine that he did do most of the initial work. Alton is a TV producer - he's not even in the same class, not even close.

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                paulj RE: applehome Aug 24, 2010 09:06 AM

                McGee isn't in the same class as Brown - when it comes to being a TV producer and performer.

                Did you know that McGee has a BS in English - from the best techie school in the country? This dual science and English training probably helps him be the pioneer writer about cooking and food science.

                I see from the short Wiki article that he has a new book coming out - Keys to Good Cooking.

        2. re: applehome
          alanbarnes RE: applehome Jul 30, 2010 01:15 PM

          Information on television is no less "real" than information in books. And the running patter and goofy models on "Good Eats" communicate moderately complex ideas to some people more effectively than words on a page.

          Of course, no television show is a substitute for a detailed reference work on kitchen science. And if you've already mastered everything there is to know about the hows and whys of cooking, then no show is going to do much to expand your knowledge base. But Shirley Corriher's a well-regarded biochemist who has been applying her scientific background in the kitchen for better than half a century, and she thinks enough of what Alton Brown is doing to be a regular guest on his show.

          You've repeatedly noted that you don't care for this particular show. Fine; don't watch it. But you can't seriously dispute that Brown explains kitchen science in a way that makes it easier for many people to understand. And although his demeanor may be annoying and his material derivative (which he acknowledges by frequent nods to the likes of McGee and Corriher), the simple fact of the matter is that he's putting out basic but solid information to a wide audience. Including chefs. What's wrong with that?

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            Bada Bing RE: alanbarnes Jul 30, 2010 01:20 PM

            To alanbarnes response, I'll add this supportive aside: I am not a chef, but I am a teacher, and what Alton Brown does is, technically, one variety of sound pedagogy. Use models and images, insert humor, change the pace, acknowledge the most challenging matters, and so on.

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              applehome RE: alanbarnes Jul 30, 2010 01:56 PM

              But I do watch Alton, and I am certainly entertained. He's a great entertainer! How dare you tell me not to watch him!

              If he's a great teacher to you, great. Perhaps he should have taught high school social studies. Nothing wrong with that. But personally, I'm glad he didn't - I'm glad he stuck it out as a TV producer and put himself in front of the camera. He's entertaining, and as they say - that's that - end of story.

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                alanbarnes RE: applehome Jul 30, 2010 02:30 PM

                I never said he was a great teacher, especially not to me, since I don't watch television. But he is more than entertaining - he's informative. Is he the best possible source for the information he's presenting? Of course not. But the perfect need not be the enemy of the good.

        3. dave_c RE: deweyweber54 Jul 28, 2010 09:29 AM

          For me, Good Eats is #1. I haven't seen Man Eater and don't have any interest in it.
          I like Alton's props, the scientific explanation and the fun vibe of the show.

          Man vs Food, Bourdain and Zimmern are all enjoyable shows, but interchangeable.

          Other cooking shows... Top Chef Master and Top Chef (I've missed this season know that I work the swing shift). PBS has good cooking shows too - Rick Bayless (Mexico-One Plate at a Time), Jacques Pepin (Baking with Julia) and America's Test Kitchen.

          1. Niblet RE: deweyweber54 Jul 28, 2010 10:39 AM

            My favorite on FN is Barefoot Contessa. When I hear the opening piano music I'm like, "hooray!" I actually kinda like Alton Brown's show if it's a topic I'm interested in, but I'll avoid the opening silliness. I appreciate his Monty Python references, for instance any chance to reference 'wafer thin' and he's all over it.

            I like some of the stuff on the new Cooking channel, like Chuck's Day Off and a couple of others.

            And I really like Top Chef on Bravo.

            1. Bada Bing RE: deweyweber54 Jul 29, 2010 01:41 PM

              What makes Alton Brown's show "horrible" for you? Everyone's got their own taste and needs, of course. But since you're asking for tips, we'd need to know why you dislike Brown's show enough to make a special point of it.

              For my own part, like ZagChef and others, I find Good Eats to be one of the only shows that actually teaches me something with any regularity about food or cooking.

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                TuteTibiImperes RE: deweyweber54 Jul 29, 2010 07:31 PM

                I like Alton's Good Eats. Some shows are better than others, and it can be a bit basic at times, but I have picked up some skills and learned why things happen from watching. I don't agree with his science or his reasons or methods all the time, but generally I'm in the pro-Alton column.

                I love Bourdain, and will watch anything he is in.

                Zimmern's shtick has gotten old hat. I love offal and strange shellfish as much as the next guy, but I feel like I am watching the same show over and over again now.

                Man vs. Food would be better if it didn't have that whole eating competition thing at the end. I like the concept of highlighting local joints and street food in various US cities, and I enjoyed The Hungry Detective when it was on. I generally just fastforward through the last third of M vs F though as I don't really care if the guy can eat 10 lbs worth of something or other in less than an hour. Diners, Drive Ins, and Dives does this format better, and I am in the camp of people who like Guy Fietti.

                Top Chef is of course the best cooking or food related program on television.

                I watched the first couple seasons of Hell's Kitchen, but I haven't bothered since. The emphasis is too much on restaurant line skills, not enough on vision and recipe creation, so it doesn't really interest me. Plus, Gordon yelling at people incessantly gets old fast. Oddly enough, I do like seeing The F Word when it comes on BBC America, so I don't think Gordon is to blame for Hell's Kitchen's failings as much as Fox is (as if I need another reason to dislike Fox in addition to their right wing pandering and their cancellation of Firefly and Dollhouse).

                If you are into old stuff, the new Cooking Channel is showing re-runs of Julia Child and the Galloping Gourmet. Both were well before my time, and after hearing so many people ramble on about how Julia was their inspiration for getting into cooking I was sad to see how disgusting looking so much of what she prepares on that show is, but then again, it was a product of a different time, so maybe it was groundbreaking cuisine back then. Jeff Smith and The Frugal Gourmet was the go to cooking show on TV while I was growing up, and I remember watching it with my dad. I'd like to see it get re-run, but who knows if it would stand the test of time any better than Julia.

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                  gfr1111 RE: deweyweber54 Aug 3, 2010 05:53 AM

                  I think that "Good Eats" is brilliant. Alton Brown has a rare combination of professional cooking education (Johnson and Wales, I think) and the television production skills necessary to put on "Good Eats." And let's face it, his knowledge reflects a far broader education in the science of cooking than most chefs have.

                  On top of all of the foregoing, he has to be a pretty writer to script his half-serious half-humorous scripts.

                  The success of Alton Brown's show has caused the birth of several imitators but no one does it as well as he does.

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                    applehome RE: gfr1111 Aug 3, 2010 06:55 AM

                    He went to the New England Culinary Institute in Vermont. He has a great staff for the Good Eats show - he isn't so spot on all the time on ICA. His food lore knowledge, especially with Asian and other foreign foods, is weak. I respect that he often turns to the chefs (true especially with Mario) for an explanation. Some of the gaffs, especially with Morimoto, could be because the chefs don't explain well or don't want to explain, and he knows better than to ask.

                  2. Hank Hanover RE: deweyweber54 Aug 3, 2010 10:54 PM

                    I like America's Test Kitchen. I think it is very informative. I like Good Eats for the same reason, although his humor is sometimes hard to take.

                    For entertainment value, I like the contest ones like chopped, Iron Chef and Top Chef.

                    I like the info on Rachel ray's 30 minute meals but I can't stand to listen to her. I hate gigglers. Sandra Lee's show Semi-Homemade is likable but I don't think I like her.

                    Ina Garten's show is good. I like Tyler Florence's Ultimate show.

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                      jackiecat RE: deweyweber54 Aug 7, 2010 05:11 PM

                      Just to add that Alton won a Peabody Award for Good Eats. (Which the Foodnetwork in it's wisdom never acknowledged)

                      1. howlin RE: deweyweber54 Aug 21, 2010 01:26 PM

                        just caught this show today for the first time.(had other things to do before)and i like it ,funny and informative,entertaining and thats what matters.

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                          LiviaLunch RE: deweyweber54 Aug 21, 2010 04:47 PM

                          Goods Eats is our fave cooking show. Somehow matches my off-centre sense of humour, plus he's actually a trained chef. I've always been spellbound by technique and method as my cooking experience widens.

                          Curiously the OP mentions Bourdain (presumably referring to No Reservations), which we also like much -- but it's not a cooking show, it's a chowish culinary tour of the world with Bourdain's marvellous peasant-food evangelism pricking food pretensions.

                          1. epabella RE: deweyweber54 Aug 23, 2010 06:44 AM

                            "Good Eats starring Alton Brown is horrible"

                            how very unkind - alton brown remains the only respectable talent in the doofus network roster. one has to appreciate the research and work put into good eats that many foods shows severely lack. there's alot that can be learned and alton is a great 'teacher' - possibly my favorite educator on american food tv today (though the early seasons of good eats were the best). it's his participation in the copycat iron chef that's more questionable - alton is too good for a rip-off show and your favorite (and mine) anthony bourdain even has an award for alton.

                            "What's out there on network/Cable TV that's interesting to watch?"

                            there's alot but start with all the julia child shows (even if that's all you'll watch), you're on your way to being a better cook and eating tastier and more healthful food.

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