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SeoulQueen Jul 20, 2010 02:38 PM

I'm a big fan of Top Chef and was wondering how good these chef-testants really are compared to everyone else in the culinary industry. Obviously they are not at the lofty heights as chefs featured in Top Chef Masters but the ones that make it to the finale really do seem talented/have bona fide skills.

I'm wondering how would they rate against chefs/rstaurant owners featured on shows like No Reservations or Iron Chef or in magazines such as Bon Appetite's Best Restaurants issue or Food & Wine's Best Chefs issue?

I haven't been able to dine at any of the restaurants that these chef-testants own or work in and many of them I've never heard of. So for those of you who have had the pleasure (or perhaps misfortune) to visit their establishments, how good was the food?

  1. goodhealthgourmet Dec 15, 2010 09:39 PM

    review of Harold Dieterle's new NYC spot, Kin Shop, in today's Times:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/15/din...

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    1. re: goodhealthgourmet
      LindaWhit Dec 16, 2010 04:39 AM

      Pretty good review - sounds like he'd *definitely* be able to hold his own with the current All-Stars. :-)

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      attran99 Dec 3, 2010 10:24 AM

      I've been to the following:

      The Bazaar by Jose Andres - One of the most amusing meals I've ever had. The food was innovative and smart. It was also very good. Marcel was in the kitchen that night making sure each plate sent out was perfect. The drinks were spectacular...I still dream amount the salt air margarita.

      Ivan Kane's Cafe Was - It was an okay meal. Thank God for the dineLA. Alex was in the kitchen that night, and I was only mildly impressed. It's not a restaurant I'd want to come back to. I didn't hate it, but I didn't love it, either.

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        selenster Nov 24, 2010 05:12 AM

        harold dieterle's second restaurant, KIN SHOP, opened up recently in NYC's west village. i went for lunch on sunday and the fried pork belly & crispy oyster salad was SO GOOD that my friend and i had it twice - once to start, and again to close the meal. the beef tartar was nice as well, and the pan fried crab noodles were delicious (though a touch salty, and could have used more crab). prices were moderate (four shared dishes, two glasses of wine each) and we paid about 120$ before tip. service was warm and helpful, and the atmosphere was relaxed and bright. (it was still fairly early and lunch service is new so the restaurant was maybe 1/5 full).

        1. goodhealthgourmet Nov 23, 2010 09:51 PM

          thought i'd resurrect this thread to post the latest developent. coming soon from Michael Voltaggio...

          http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dailydish/2010/11/michael-voltaggio-announces-new-restaurant-ink-to-open-on-melrose-next-year.html

          i, for one, am very much looking forward to checking it out.

          and for those who don't read the NY Times Travel Section, Stephanie Izard's restaurant The Girl & the Goat was just singled out as a new reason to visit Chicago...

          http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/...

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            kimfair1 Dec 1, 2010 08:32 AM

            We ate at Girl and the Goat on our last trip to Chicago, and it was fabulous, I also ate at Rick Bayless's restaurant Tomplobambo while there. I have eaten at Tiffani Fasion's place in Boston, Rocca, as well (it's much improved since she took over as executive chef).

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              Siun Dec 3, 2010 01:54 PM

              Had a wonderful meal at Dale Levitski's Sprout - also here in Chicago - right after it opened. Great food ... Prix Fixe for $60 of three courses plus two intermezzos ... Inventive and tasty. He also did a great taste for the Green City Market barbecue - definitely worth checking out when here in the windy city.

          2. aching Sep 16, 2010 11:00 AM

            I recently ate at Ilan Hall's restaurant, The Gorbals (full review here: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7339...). I have to admit, it was fun seeing a Top Chef in person, working his restaurant, and we had a very good meal there. However I would say that even in its own little genre (modern small plates) it is not the best in LA - I prefer both the Lazy Ox Canteen and AOC.

            1. gaffk Sep 16, 2010 10:31 AM

              I ate at 10 Arts (Jennifer Carol) and it was delicious. (And I know she was there that evening, because I saw her.) Best known for fish--it is a Ripert restaurant--but I had a very good steak cooked perfectly and they have quite a pastry chef as well, the desserts were delicious.

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                jeanmarieok Sep 16, 2010 11:41 AM

                I ate at 10Arts a few months back, and had a very very good meal, one of my favorites in Philly, actually. I was actually surprised it was so good, I haven't loved some of my meals in Riperts other places. , I want to eat at Kevin's, next time I am in Atlanta, but I don't usually have a car, and it appears to be a pretty big cab ride from my neck of the woods.

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                  LindaWhit Sep 16, 2010 12:25 PM

                  Maybe they have zipcar rentals down there, jeanmarie?

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                UptownKevin Jul 23, 2010 05:00 AM

                Keep in mind that there are thousands of great chefs working at thousands of great restaurants that will never be featured by the national media. There are really just too many of them. That doesn't make those restaurants any less "great;" it just means they have not been represented. Upon closer inspection, many of the top chef contestants HAVE been given awards and featured in these magazines.

                I think as a nation, we're being conditioned to believe that appearances on TV and in the media gives instant credibility and that chefs who aren't "popular" are not as good.

                -Kevin

                1. Miss Needle Jul 22, 2010 09:49 AM

                  I've been to the following restaurants when these Top Chef contestants were present. I can't say that the chefs personally have cooked what I ate. But here is my list and my opinions:

                  Season 1
                  Harold Dieterle -- Perilla -- delicious; solid neighborhood restaurant
                  Dave Martin -- Crave -- tasty, but similar to a slightly upscale version of a TGIF or Cheesecake Factory; execution bit sloppy -- eg. no proper sear on meat, things drenched in sweet sauces; after I ate there I understood why Tom Colicchio was surprised that he made it into the Top 3 -- have a feeling that Lee Anne Wong, Stephen Aspirinio and Miguel Morales were more talented (even though I haven't tasted their food)

                  Season 2
                  Marcel Vigneron -- Bazaar -- excellent, very ambitious food

                  Season 3
                  Lia Bardeen -- Jean-Georges -- not really my thing with flavor profiles, but execution of everything is perfect; fine dining; one of the top restaurants in NYC; can understand why a lot of the chefs thought that Lia would have gone further in the show

                  Season 4
                  Mark Simmons -- Public -- good neighborhood restaurant

                  Season 5
                  Jennifer Carroll -- Le Bernardin -- excellent and really refined seafood restaurant; one of the top fine dining restaurants in NYC; when she was on TC she wasn't at Le Bernardin; but I've probably eaten there when she was working at Le Bernardin

                  Season 6
                  Angelo Sosa -- Xie Xie -- very good casual sandwich shop; tasty; would be curious to see what he could do with higher end food

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                  1. re: Miss Needle
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                    SeoulQueen Jul 22, 2010 11:13 AM

                    Given how Angelo was upping himself bigtime and name dropping like crazy on Ep1 of this season, I'm surprised to hear that he only operates a casual sandwich shop. But I'm always on the lookout for good sandwich shops so will have to check it out.

                    My husband has been wanting to try Harold's Perilla restaurant so that is definitely on our list, we just haven't done it yet. We've walked past the 24 prince st restaurant where Nikki Cascone (season 4) cooked but never went in - I wasn't impressed when she was on the show, the only thing she ever did was make pasta. and I recently saw that the restaurant had closed.

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                      Miss Needle Jul 22, 2010 11:29 AM

                      I think Angelo has worked for some big names in the past. These days with the economy the way it is, it seems like more casual burger and sandwich joints are the big thing. I did like Xie Xie, but DH thought it was a bit overpriced. But ingredients were good quality and things were freshly made. I think it's worth checking out.

                      And, yes, Perilla is definitely a must-do if you're a TC fan. It does give you perspective of the difference between Top Chef and Top Chef Masters. Perilla was the first TC restaurant I've been to. I was expecting Masters quality (Eric Ripert, Daniel Boulud, etc.), especially as Dieterle won the title. But it just wasn't at the same level. Nevertheless, I have enjoyed my meals there.

                      Nikki also never impressed me on the show. I haven't been to 24 Prince. But I remember reading somewhere that she doesn't even do that much pasta at 24 Prince but was thinking about opening up a pasta restaurant because she's known as the pasta chef! She was definitely advertising her TC connection -- til the day her restaurant closed, the large Top Chef sign was posted outside her restaurant. Show appearances definitely do help a great deal, especially if you make it to the final 7 or so.

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                        dach Jul 22, 2010 04:09 PM

                        In addition to upscale hamburger and sandwich, there is the upscale pizza trend as well.

                        1. re: Miss Needle
                          hcbk0702 Jul 22, 2010 05:03 PM

                          Eric Ripert and Daniel Boulud would never actually compete on Top Chef Masters. Chefs like Thomas Keller, Jean-Georges Vongerichten, and Grant Achatz wouldn't either. They command the stature to be judges, not contestants.

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                            cowboyardee Jul 22, 2010 06:04 PM

                            Their reputation has more to lose than to gain from such a competition. Though maybe someone could convince the 5 of em to compete against each other in 'Top Chef Culinary Gods.' Even then, i suspect most of em would turn you down just based on how long it's been since they've picked up a knife (maybe Achatz aside).

                            1. re: cowboyardee
                              chefhound Jul 23, 2010 12:25 PM

                              I suspect Ripert could still hold his own. There was an episode of No Reservations where Anthony Bourdain went back to Les Halles to see if he could still work the line and he invited Ripert to join him. From what I recall, Ripert was amazing!

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                                hcbk0702 Jul 23, 2010 02:20 PM

                                Ripert's technical training is probably the best out of all the prominent US-based chefs:

                                Commis at La Tour d'Argent, when it had 3 Michelin stars and was considered the best in France at executing classic French cuisine
                                Chef Poissoner at Jamin, arguably the greatest restaurant Paris has ever seen, under Joël Robuchon (when he was still a legendary terror in the kitchen)
                                Sous Chef at the Watergate Hotel, under Jean-Louis Palladin
                                Sous Chef at Bouley, when David Bouley was still among the top in NYC

                                That is a crazy résumé for any cook.

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                              ChefJune Jul 23, 2010 06:43 AM

                              <Eric Ripert and Daniel Boulud would never actually compete on Top Chef Masters. Chefs like Thomas Keller, Jean-Georges Vongerichten, and Grant Achatz wouldn't either. They command the stature to be judges, not contestants.>

                              It all depends upon the attitude of the chef. Hubert Keller is in the same stratosphere as the above named chefs, and he competed on TCM. So did Rick Bayless.

                              1. re: ChefJune
                                hcbk0702 Jul 23, 2010 11:19 AM

                                Hubert Keller and Rick Bayless are both great chefs, but running Le Bernardin, French Laundry or Alinea is clearly different from running Fleur de Lys or Topolobampo/Frontera Grill.

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                                  ChefJune Sep 10, 2010 12:35 PM

                                  Fleur de Lys is in the same category as le Bernardin.

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                                    Ruth Lafler Sep 10, 2010 12:54 PM

                                    I'd have to disagree. I think Fleur de Lys is a step down from Le Bernardin.

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                                      SDGourmand Sep 16, 2010 01:45 PM

                                      no way is Fleur de Lys in the same category as Le Bernadin. FDL is a great restaurant but le Bernadin is on a whole other level..

                          2. re: Miss Needle
                            huiray Nov 24, 2010 11:12 PM

                            Jennifer Carroll was in Season 6, not 5.
                            Angelo Sosa was in Season 7, not 6.
                            You skipped Season 5.

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                            Maximilien Jul 21, 2010 09:16 AM

                            Me think most of them are still young and relatively inexperienced and need to get out of the spotlight and get their focus back on the restaurant business instead of the "chef star" business.

                            anyway, I will probably not eat at one of their restaurants. so my relevance is near zero.

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                              bookhound Jul 21, 2010 10:12 AM

                              How old do you think you have to be to be an accomplished chef? I think it's a young persons game. Most of the working chefs, actively cooking in kitchens, I can think of in all the top restaurants in Manhattan are younger than 40 and many are in their 20's.

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                                ChefJune Jul 21, 2010 11:00 AM

                                Actually, bookhound, I think if you ran stats, most of the working chefs in Manhattan are NOT under 40. They may be "around" 40, but only SOME are in their 20's. You just hear more about the "wunderkinds" than the others.

                                Boulud, Bouley, Nicotra, Batali, Vongerichten, Malouf, Moreira, Barber, Hamilton, Ripert are all over 40 ( for starters).

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                                  bookhound Jul 21, 2010 11:09 AM

                                  Most of the people you named aren't working in the kitchens of the restaurants they own. If you check to see who the chef de cuisines are I'll bet my stats are right on.

                                  Do you really think Boulud or Bouley, Batali, Vongerichten cook in their kitchens on a regular basis? I know Hamilton doesn't or at least she wasn't last year when my friend worked at Prune.

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                                    ChefJune Jul 22, 2010 11:15 AM

                                    Sorry, but the chefs de cuisines are NOT THE chefs of those restaurants. The big names are the ones who are responsible for the food going out each and every night, whether or not they are cooking. And I believe you will find Boulud in his kitchen (probably expediting, but supervising, nonetheless) most evenings when he is in town.

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                                      bookhound Jul 22, 2010 11:21 AM

                                      How do these chefs magically appear in all their kitchens at once? Most of them own multiple restaurants.

                                      1. re: ChefJune
                                        cowboyardee Jul 22, 2010 02:49 PM

                                        According to his website, Boulud has 12 restaurants in 6 cities. In 4 countries. On 3 continents.

                                        While celebri-chefs often (though not always) have a role in quality control and menu planning, you give chefs de cuisine far too little credit.

                                2. re: Maximilien
                                  chris2269 Jul 21, 2010 10:24 AM

                                  Actually most of them have won pretty relevant non hype awards and have been in the industry under some very respectable chefs so your statement without back up is a little weak.

                                3. chris2269 Jul 21, 2010 09:09 AM

                                  I like you had a similar curiosity. I have looked up a lot of the Chef's restaurants and reviews.

                                  Personally I have eaten only at SeaBlue (Chef Stephen) and Xie Xie (Chef Angelo.)

                                  Seablue- A Michael Mina Restaurant (I have never been blown away by any meals in his restaurants - Though his Lobster Pot Pie is to die for. My meal there was not bad, not great. Good ingredients wouldn't rush back. Still I expected an Executive Chef from one of his restaurants to bring it more than he has this season. Especially since MM restaurants are so fish based and his fish on the grill challenge failed.

                                  Xie Xie - I had to be reminded by a friend we had dinned here. Its basically a chic sandwich shop. Which before the reminding I had envisioned his restaurant as some avantgaurd Asian Fusion hybrid. Sandwiches were good I would still go to Witchcraft instead.

                                  Just as a side note ( I as part of a bet that I lost on last season) took my Girlfriend to Michael Voltaggio's restaurant "The Dinning Room at Langham" and had a meal that is in the top 5 including French Laundry, Robuchon, Garry Danko, and Fleur De Lys (Hubert Keller from Top Chef Masters)

                                  I think Last year was a little bit stronger not overall but certainly in the Top 4

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