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raspberry sorbet Jul 8, 2010 07:46 PM

Has anyone actually tried Bethenny Frankel's margarita mix in a bottle? I'm just curious! I sort of want to buy it, but I'd like to read some reviews before I fork over my cash. :)

  1. EvergreenDan Jul 8, 2010 08:11 PM

    I'm pretty sure you just walked into the kitchen of a top-rated restaurant and asked, "how good is Campbell's soup?"

    I can't imagine using a Margarita mix, at least not for anyone that I like.

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    1. re: EvergreenDan
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      raspberry sorbet Jul 9, 2010 01:38 AM

      Way to be a snob, really. It's not some crappy supermarket mix, it's made with premium tequila and agave nectar, and is free of preservatives and the like.

      Have you tried it? Can you compare it to something like Campbell's soup based on experience, or are you just being pretentious over something you've never even tasted? I'm willing to bet that with you, it's the latter.

      1. re: raspberry sorbet
        MGZ Jul 9, 2010 04:41 AM

        Easy, now. . . .

        The man’s simply pointing out that you’re bringing your inquiry to a group populated with a lot of serious booze purists. Hell, there’s folks around here that won’t drink a tequila unless they’ve been shown a sworn affidavit proving the aging dates. Frankly, I got a kick out of his analogy. At the end of the day, a mix is a mix. Chefs make their own stock for a reason.

        A “skinny girl” margarita is just a margarita where calories are reduced by substituting agave for simple syrup. Like any other cocktail (or food stuff for that matter), it’s best made from scratch using fresh ingredients. (But, then again, what do I know – I'm just an old man who still thinks that you make a martini with gin . . .)

        Oh, and by the way, welcome.

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          raspberry sorbet Jul 9, 2010 05:00 AM

          You're right, my reaction was a little much, sorry. Sorry, EvergreenDan. But this site has an entire board dedicated to chain restaurants; I didn't think a margarita mix query would make me look like that much of a plebian!

          And thanks for the welcome. I sure know how to create a first impression, right?

          1. re: MGZ
            yarm Jul 12, 2010 10:05 PM

            Also, lime juice goes bad quickly and pasteurizing it makes it taste very different. Think the difference between fresh lime + sugar and Rose's Lime Cordial.

            Agave isn't any lower in calories than sugar and is less healthy than sugar (it's akin to high fructose corn syrup just from a more poetic source).

            1. re: yarm
              alkapal Jul 17, 2010 07:22 PM

              >>>Also, lime juice goes bad quickly and pasteurizing it makes it taste very different. Think the difference between fresh lime + sugar and Rose's Lime Cordial<<<

              ~~
              excellent point -- the pasteurization takes away the natural brightness that manufacturers often try to re-introduce (or boost) by adding citric acid.

              1. re: yarm
                Gustavo Glenmorangie Jul 29, 2010 03:41 PM

                >>>>Agave isn't any lower in calories than sugar and is less healthy than sugar (it's akin to high fructose corn syrup just from a more poetic source).

                Spot on, thank you very much.

                I get so tired of the organicistas singing the praises of agave syrup as though it had some magical properties endowed by the agave gods. I've stopped being a pedant on the subject and just nod my appreciation for their vast knowledge of food chemistry.

                Chemically, and nutritionally, agvave syrup is closer to HFCS than any other sweetener. If you want the trace of agave flavor it may (emphasis on may here) add to your margarita, just buy a better tequila.

                1. re: Gustavo Glenmorangie
                  davis_sq_pro Jul 30, 2010 07:05 AM

                  "May" indeed. I haven't tried the darkest stuff available yet, but the medium amber version just tastes very, very, very sweet to me. Needs to be quite diluted to work well in a cocktail in any case.

                2. re: yarm
                  EvergreenDan Jul 30, 2010 10:08 AM

                  I cut agave syrup quantities in half when substituting for simple. It's like honey versus honey syrup.

                  That said, it does have a subtle flavor, although it is a bit hard to taste because it is so sweet. When I use up my supply, I'm not sure I'll replace it, though. I bet it's pretty subtle in any cocktail with any substantial flavor.

                3. re: MGZ
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                  hawkeyeui93 Aug 10, 2011 05:51 PM

                  MGZ: Is there such as thing as a Vodka Martini? I often try ordering one of my favorite gin drinks in most bars and get a blank stare [Gin Buck] ....

                  1. re: hawkeyeui93
                    MGZ Aug 11, 2011 09:56 AM

                    Nothing like having to walk a bartender through making a cocktail instead of simply placing an order. I've heard stories, possibly apocryphal, of guys carrying printed cards containing instructions for their favorite drink.

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                      tanker64 Aug 11, 2011 07:12 PM

                      I actually have printed them for me and my two daughters, but I only use them when I get a blank stare..
                      Aviation/Gimlet

                4. re: raspberry sorbet
                  EvergreenDan Jul 9, 2010 08:38 AM

                  No hard feelings. Sometimes humor doesn't transmit well on the internet.

                  I think others have made my point. A bottled mix isn't fresh because it's pasteurized and therefore cooked.

                  OTOH, this forum seems happy to go on and on over Bloody Mary mix. I bet some tomatoes, cucumber, green pepper, onion, worcestershire sauce, fresh horseradish, lime, hot sauce, salt, pepper, and celery seed in a blender would kill any bottled brand. Now that I've typed up the idea, it sound both delicious and a lot of work.

                  On a vaguely related topic, I recently had the best gazpacho I've ever had. The big difference? No canned juice of any kind, just pureed vegetables and other ingredients.

                  I can make a Margarita in about the same amount of time as a typical drink (Manhattan, Martini, Negroni, etc.). You also have the freedom to mix it the way you like it. I find most recipes, including the one ChowHound just emailed me today, to be too sweet. I like 2:1:1. That way it is a tart, sipping drink that doesn't go down too quickly. It is also "skinny" because there is less sugar from the orange liqueur. If you want to make it skinnier, you could add a little fresh orange juice, which would have fewer calories than the tequila and orange liqueur.

                  A Margarita also requires good ingredients. It's mostly tequila, so you taste it a lot. Cheap triple sec will ruin the drink. I like Cointreau, but any quality orange liqueur will do.

                5. re: EvergreenDan
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                  donnacc Aug 6, 2011 05:58 PM

                  It's terrible - very bitter - don't waste your money

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                    perk Sep 2, 2011 02:28 PM

                    I'm with you. Pretty bad. Not worth the calories....even reduced.

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                  nickls Jul 9, 2010 06:08 AM

                  I imagine it is about as good as Toby Keith's I Love This Bar & Grill.

                  Seriously though, why take all the fun out of making a drink by buying a premixed product? Just like orange juice, lime juice is best when freshly squeezed, so the mix will never come close to the real deal. All you need to make your own is tequila, limes, and some orange liqueur. To make it "skinny" replace some of the orange with agave syrup. To make it really skinny, add a few drops of lime juice to a shot of tequila and drink.

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                  1. re: nickls
                    davis_sq_pro Jul 9, 2010 07:53 AM

                    I second that. A nice reposado and a little squeeze of lime is a wonderful thing to sip.

                  2. tommy Jul 9, 2010 06:41 AM

                    Why not just buy 100% agave tequila, limes, and triple sec? What's the advantage of this bottle of stuff?

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                      Diamond Jul 9, 2010 06:59 AM

                      Can I just say that I think I understand why you want to try it in the first place? Bethenny's all over the TV these days, her books sell like crazy, and I can understand the curiosity. It's not like you're asking for help with a Sandra Lee recipe; you want to try a premium product by a celeb chef. I get it!

                      I haven't had it, but you should just give it a whirl. It's all natural, so it might not be the best thing you've ever tasted, but it won't kill you either. If there was any in my area to be found, I'd certainly taste test it for you.

                      Welcome to the boards. I like your fiestiness girl! :D

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                      1. re: Diamond
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                        worldwarz Jul 9, 2010 07:29 AM

                        Celeb-chef yeah not so much.

                      2. MGZ Jul 9, 2010 11:15 AM

                        About an hour ago, I saw the stuff for the first time. It's basically just a premade margarita - not really a mix. The ingredients are not actually listed, but the concoction appears to be agave tequila sweetened with agave nectar and flavored with "natural flavors." It was on sale for $16.99.

                        I drink tequila neat, don't watch reality tv, avoid processed foods, and have no interest in being a "skinny girl." Ultimately, the product seems like form over substance to me. On the upside, it seems like an easy way to get drunk . . .

                        1. JMF Jul 9, 2010 12:25 PM

                          It's a mediocre at best RTD cocktail. I actually thought it was terrible.

                          See what my friend Darcy has to say. He is one of the top mixologist/scientists in the world.
                          http://www.artofdrink.com/2009/05/ski...

                          I have had some good RTD's lately. Given (proniunced Jee-vahn) is a tequila / lime "liqueur' but is in fact an RTD. Very well made, well balanced, good flavor; similar to a margarita. I am a cocktail snob, it's part of what I do for a living, but Given is good.

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                            davis_sq_pro Jul 9, 2010 12:41 PM

                            Well Darcy didn't comment on the premixed stuff, just her terrible video (the part with the knife really made me cringe -- unbelievable). I wouldn't trust her to make me a margarita or any other drink based on that performance, but the drink mix was probably formulated by some company so they could slap her name on it (I assume she's well known in some form?)...

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                              JMF Jul 10, 2010 04:58 AM

                              I guess she has some type of popularity as an actress and reality show participant. I never heard of her until this brand came around. The cocktail community isn't even really aware of it. When the high end cocktail community hasn't heard of a brand, you know it isn't much. She supposedly went to the Natural Gourmet Culinary Institute, some cooking school that has no credibility among any of my chef friends. It's obvious from her knife skills, or lack thereof, and other culinary mistakes, that she isn't really trained as a chef.

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                                JMF Aug 5, 2010 02:48 PM

                                But from what I've heard she's taking it all the way to the bank. It's supposedly become one of the most popular RTD's on the market.

                                1. re: JMF
                                  davis_sq_pro Aug 5, 2010 03:26 PM

                                  No doubt. I read an article yesterday with a quote from a liquor store company that said something along the lines of "the only problem with this product is that we need to print more out of stock labels!"

                                  1. re: davis_sq_pro
                                    JMF Aug 5, 2010 11:41 PM

                                    It's a sad, sad, world.

                            2. re: JMF
                              EvergreenDan Jul 10, 2010 08:15 AM

                              Just read this blog and watched her video. The linked recipe isn't too bad (although it needs more than a "splash" of triple sec and I'm not sure how big 4 lime wedges are -- one whole lime, maybe, which would be about right.

                              But the video. Oh my. First, her personality doesn't come across as appealing. And her technique? I'd like to see her cake: "here's a 3 count pour of flour out of the 50# sack...."

                            3. invinotheresverde Jul 12, 2010 08:49 PM

                              I don't want to be a cocktail Cee U Next Tuesday, but there's an easy way to make a skinny margarita:

                              100% agave tequila (blanco, rep, or anejo, based on your preference)
                              Scant orange liquer
                              Lime juice

                              That's it. If you want it sweeter (and non-traditional) make a simple syrup with Splenda, and add according to your own taste.

                              Voila.

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                              1. re: invinotheresverde
                                tommy Jul 13, 2010 08:30 AM

                                It seems like people think that Cointreau has a lot more calories than tequila. This isn't the case.

                                A "skinny girl margarita", in my area, is lime juice, triple sec, and tequila. I also call that a "margarita". The "skinny" part of it is the lack of sour mix or added sugar, which shouldn't come anywhere near a margarita anyway.

                                1. re: tommy
                                  invinotheresverde Jul 13, 2010 09:49 AM

                                  Agreed, the calorie difference is tequila and Cointreau is minimal. I was more concerned with the sugar.

                                  We seem to agree that a real margarita shouldn't be loaded up with all that high-calorie extra garbage anyway.

                                  1. re: invinotheresverde
                                    tommy Jul 13, 2010 10:38 AM

                                    Yup. Wasn't even really referring to your post in particular, but rather to what people have been saying overall about this skinny girl thing (here and elsewhere).

                                2. re: invinotheresverde
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                                  kathleen440 Aug 11, 2011 09:37 AM

                                  Agreed. I don't sweeten my margaritas at all - just the juice of 1 lime, a shot of reposado tequila, and 1/2 a shot of Cointreau. Salt rim, ice, done.

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                                  heysab Dec 3, 2010 05:51 PM

                                  I just bought a bottle of this the other day from Whole Foods ... I am pleasantly surprised and actually was doing a search to see what other people thought and stumbled across this post.. I have not tried the recipe floating around the net, my review is just from the pre mixed bottle.

                                  Not too sweet at all, and I am very sensitive to very sweet tasting things. It tastes like a very well made margarita to me and I would buy more... you can smell the tequila when you pour into your glass but none of the ingredients are overpowering. Two glasses in and feeling good. I would recommend you try before commenting. :)

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                                  1. re: heysab
                                    tommy Dec 4, 2010 02:45 PM

                                    Here's my review: it's dreadful.

                                    1. re: tommy
                                      JMF Dec 5, 2010 06:34 AM

                                      what review?

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                                        davis_sq_pro Dec 5, 2010 08:15 AM

                                        I think that was the review... rather terse, but straight to the point :-)

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                                          JMF Dec 5, 2010 10:16 AM

                                          True, but a bit verbose. It could have been cut down to just "dreadful"

                                    2. re: heysab
                                      yarm Dec 7, 2010 06:43 AM

                                      A well made Margarita would have the flavor and aroma of fresh lime juice -- something that is impossible to capture with preserved lime even if it's bolstered with citric acid and other chemicals.

                                      Great marketing though!

                                    3. alkapal Dec 14, 2010 02:21 PM

                                      i understand that it is selling very well. i saw it this week at the liquor store, and it was located prominently on the checkout counter, right next to the cash register.

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                                      1. re: alkapal
                                        tommy Dec 14, 2010 03:44 PM

                                        Next to the cash register along with beef jerky and cheap corkscrews.

                                        Dreadful stuff. Here is an excerpt from a taste test conducted by me and some friends:

                                        " With no exaggeration, I split the first sip into the sink. Another taster winced and practically cried during a side-by-side blind tasting including Skinnygirl and a proper margarita made with Hornitos, fresh lime juice, and Cointreau. And those were not tears of joy. "

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                                          donnacc Aug 6, 2011 05:59 PM

                                          I agree - it's dreadful

                                        2. re: alkapal
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                                          reatard Dec 14, 2010 07:21 PM

                                          This maybe a case of pay for placement as opposed to a sign of popularity.

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                                            alkapal Dec 16, 2010 04:15 AM

                                            i don't think so, but i'll find out. i'm friendly with the store personnel, as i have been tracking down a boutique pear brandy. these are stores run by the state, so the "pay for placement" is unlikely, in my opinion.

                                            1. re: alkapal
                                              alkapal Mar 24, 2011 08:02 AM

                                              i asked, and the prominent placement on the counter is not paid for by the distributor. it is consumer demand that makes them put the display there.

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                                                Alcachofa May 2, 2011 07:49 AM

                                                There's basically a free hour-long commercial for it every time that stupid Bethany show comes on. That's why it's popular. This isn't rocket science, people.

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                                                  hawkeyeui93 Aug 10, 2011 06:06 PM

                                                  It is the reason why Bud Light is considered beer by most Americans ... tell them that there are less calories and voila, taste and other considerations go out the window!

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                                          ediblover Dec 14, 2010 02:44 PM

                                          http://www.chow.com/food-news/62474/l...

                                          I've tried a lot of his higher rated items and usually find myself in agreement. So... Usually I have to try it just to see, but I trust Mr. Norton's buds and will pass.

                                          1. EvergreenDan Mar 24, 2011 07:46 AM

                                            http://www.esquire.com/blogs/food-for-men/skinnygirl-margarita-0211

                                            I grinned.

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                                              zin1953 Mar 24, 2011 08:04 AM

                                              Grinned? Heck, I nearly chocked on my coffee!

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                                                invinotheresverde Mar 24, 2011 08:34 AM

                                                Poor Esquire dudes. I could've told them that without tasting it.

                                              2. re: EvergreenDan
                                                TheHuntress May 3, 2011 06:15 AM

                                                Brilliant. Best laugh I had all day.

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                                                marymag Jul 26, 2011 09:52 AM

                                                Don't waste your money on it. Horrible!

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                                                  klb2222 Aug 5, 2011 02:50 PM

                                                  I tried it and thought it was quite good for a bottled mix. It's not very sweet, but I thought the light and tart lime flavor was refreshing. The tequila taste isn't too strong.

                                                  Obviously making a margarita from scratch is preferable, but for a fun girls' night where you just want to pick up a bottle rather than several ingredients, this does the trick. Less cals than wine and a bit more of a buzz too. Enjoy!

                                                  I'm looking forward to trying the sangria.

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                                                  1. re: klb2222
                                                    tommy Aug 6, 2011 05:39 AM

                                                    The tequila taste is supposed to be strong in a margarita. It's not supposed to be hidden. Just as you'd want to taste the rye in a Manhattan.

                                                    "several ingredients" are tequila, triple sec, and limes. This shouldn't be too much of a challenge for most people, so I'm not sure why this product even exists.

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                                                      zin1953 Aug 6, 2011 07:24 AM

                                                      Because "there's one born every minute . . . "

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                                                        klb2222 Aug 6, 2011 07:40 AM

                                                        Some of us don't like a strong tequila taste. I know I don't, especially if it's not great tequila. I really enjoyed the taste of this product and it offered a nice buzz, but obviously opinions may differ. I don't have agave syrup, triple sec, etc. and didn't feel like lugging all of those bottles on a train trip during which we had this drink. It's relatively inexpensive and pre-measured to be low calorie, which is important to some of us. Don't understand where all of the snobbery is coming from.

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                                                          invinotheresverde Aug 6, 2011 08:33 AM

                                                          Color me confused. If you don't like tequila, why would you drink a tequila-based drink?

                                                          1. re: tommy
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                                                            klb2222 Aug 6, 2011 10:10 AM

                                                            For example, I enjoy Patron Silver. It has a lighter, smoother flavor than other tequilas. The original Skinny Girl margarita that this drink is based off of is made with patron silver. Perhaps I'm not articulating this correctly, as I am not a tequila connoisseur, but I do prefer a lighter tequila flavor. This drink seems to offer that without being too watered down and is relatively inexpensive. I'm not saying this means everyone will enjoy it. It suits my preferences and apparently the preferences of a number of others. I also like that I don't have to worry about properly measuring the calories myself - someone else did it for me. I'm not saying I'm always obsessed with caloric intake and proper measurements when I drink cocktails, and I realize they are not a diet food, but that is one rather unique appeal of these products. Can it be improved upon tastewise? I'm sure, but some posters seem to be wondering why these drinks are being sold at all. I enjoy it for what it is. *Shrugs*

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                                                              ncyankee101 Aug 6, 2011 10:26 AM

                                                              So it's the Bud light of Margaritas. Personally, I would rather drink water than Bud light, it has even fewer calories and tastes better.

                                                              I also wouldn't buy patron since there are better tasting tequilas for half the price, such as Corazon or Espolon. But it is great for people who like to be seen drinking it and don't really like Tequila.

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                                                                tommy Aug 6, 2011 04:41 PM

                                                                I don't think there's anything wrong with Patron, other than the price. You can certainly like tequila and drink Patron.

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                                                                  ncyankee101 Aug 6, 2011 10:28 PM

                                                                  I meant it is very smooth and rather on the bland side - which is why people who don't really like agave flavor seem to go for it. It is not a bad tequila, but I would not say it is a good (or at least interesting) one - especially for the price, $48 here for a 750. I had a chance to get it for $30 online recently and still passed, as I would rather buy Corazon on sale for $27, since I find it far more flavorful and just as easy to drink.

                                                                  I like Espolon, and consider it comparable to Patron - but I paid $20 for it, if it were over $30 I would not likely buy i

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                                                                    tommy Aug 7, 2011 06:40 AM

                                                                    " it is very smooth and rather on the bland side - which is why people who don't really like agave flavor seem to go for it"

                                                                    That's quite a leap. People seem to go for it because Patron does a very good job of marketing tequila (thank goodness for Patron, who was very pivotal in opening up the US market to 100% agave tequilas).

                                                                    What's wrong with "very smooth"? Isn't that one of the elements that tequila makers aspire to? Sure, you want some bite and whatever flavor profile it is that you're going for, but you want balance. I don't recall it being bland, but I'll do a side-by-side after the clock gets past 10:00 am.

                                                                    You are making broad sweeping generalizations about _people_ based on what brand of 100% agave tequila happens to be popular. I'm not convinced of these generalizations.

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                                                                      ncyankee101 Aug 8, 2011 09:26 PM

                                                                      I am making generalizations about Patron based on not only my personal experience but the opinions of some very knowledgeable Tequila aficionados at tequila.net.

                                                                      I just remember long ago, the first time I tried Patron silver - long before I got into drinking any liquor straight - I liked it, but did not think it tasted at all like tequila.

                                                                      I have only had the blanco once since then, a mini bottle, which I tasted side-by-side with Corazon - and found it rather bland and boring.

                                                                      I have had a LOT of the Anejo at a bar where the selection is limited and the bartender is, shall we say, extremely generous with his pours - and though it has a pleasant taste and is easy to drink, it has almost no agave taste and I just don't find it interesting compared to other good aged Tequilas I have tried such as El Tesoro anejo, Conquistador Repo and Don Julio Repo. It actually tastes more like a mild Scotch to me than Tequila.

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                                                                        tommy Aug 9, 2011 04:35 AM

                                                                        I'm not doubting you think it's bland when compared to your favorites. I am taking exception with statements like "which is why people who don't really like agave flavor seem to go for it" and " it is great for people who like to be seen drinking it and don't really like Tequila", even if they come from tequila aficionados like the ones on some website.

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                                                                          invinotheresverde Aug 9, 2011 06:44 AM

                                                                          I don't know. Those two statements describe Patron drinkers perfectly in my experience. Patron is tequila lite.

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                                                                            zin1953 Aug 9, 2011 07:19 AM

                                                                            Agreed . . .

                                                                    2. re: ncyankee101
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                                                                      zin1953 Aug 7, 2011 07:15 AM

                                                                      The Hendrick's Gin of tequilas?

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                                                                        invinotheresverde Aug 7, 2011 09:15 AM

                                                                        The Grey Goose of tequila, also.

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                                                                          hawkeyeui93 Aug 10, 2011 06:19 PM

                                                                          zin1953: Good one. The other gin that price is rising rapidly alongside its popularity is Plymouth. I drink Boodles for half the price (and just hope it doesn't drive me to die penniless).

                                                                  2. re: klb2222
                                                                    tommy Aug 6, 2011 04:42 PM

                                                                    Where have you read that this product is based off of Patron silver?

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                                                                      klb2222 Aug 9, 2011 07:44 PM

                                                                      Bethenny Frankel's original recipe (love her or hate her) calls for clear premium tequila. She has used patron silver herself in demos, but I guess any clear premium tequila is called for.

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                                                                    hawkeyeui93 Aug 10, 2011 06:16 PM

                                                                    Certainly wouldn't pay the premium for Patron with so many other tequilas that are great for less than $40/bottle, but I wouldn't throw out a bottle if given to me for free .... As far as adjudicating Patron as a poor tequila because a few blowhards dislike it on tequila.net, would you believe that a Porsche 911 is a sh.itbox because there was a small, vocal minority on the internet telling you that a Hyundai Tiburon was a better car? Seems strange to me. Do your own thinking ... I can appreciate that one doesn't like it after having tried it, but because others tell them not to is strange to me.

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                                                                      EvergreenDan Aug 10, 2011 06:20 PM

                                                                      I believe the analogy would be a 928 with an auto tranny. ;-)

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                                                                        hawkeyeui93 Aug 10, 2011 08:53 PM

                                                                        .... you mean a Volkswagen! LOL

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                                                                        ncyankee101 Aug 10, 2011 08:51 PM

                                                                        I never said people on tequila.net disliked Patron, they are just in general agreement that there are better, more flavorful, more complex tequilas for less money, and ones that are equal to Patron for half the price or less. And the few "blowhards" at tequila.net that rate everything have tasted hundreds of tequilas and really know their stuff, are really obsessed with it.

                                                                        Also, most poeple I know who "only drink patron" when it comes to tequila, have never even heard of brands such as Don Julio, Herradura, casa noble, el tesoro, etc - usually they say they drink Patron because it's better than Cuervo. And they usually shoot it.

                                                                        I finally got ahold of a bottle of Casa Noble for about 20% less than Patron, and it is in a whole different world of flavor.

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                                                                          hawkeyeui93 Aug 10, 2011 08:58 PM

                                                                          How is Carlos Santana's tequila BTW?

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                                                                            ncyankee101 Aug 10, 2011 09:12 PM

                                                                            I tried it after opening the bottle, it was very complex and interesting but perhaps a little hotter finish than I had exepcted, I haven't had the chance to revisit it on a clean palate and I know from experience many spirits improve after a couple days to a week of having been opened.

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                                                                              ncyankee101 Aug 11, 2011 11:39 AM

                                                                              To give you a better answer - after having been open for two days, the harsh edge to the finish has dissipated and I must say Casa noble has lived up to the hype (from Tequila aficionados, hardly anyone else has heard of this brand) Hopefully Santana's involvement won't lead to exploding demand, higher prices, and lower quality.

                                                                              The nose on this tequila is amazing, i could just sit here and sniff it all day - there is everything you could want in the flavor, agave, earth, fruit, and a nice long peppery finish. It is everything that patron is not.

                                                                              I am concerned that there may be some inconsistency in the product, judging by the mixed reviews at tequila.net. If so, I am glad that I seem to have gotten one of the good bottles. I am evern happier it came with free mini bottles of the repo and anejo, and am looking forward to trying them.

                                                                          2. re: hawkeyeui93
                                                                            invinotheresverde Aug 10, 2011 10:27 PM

                                                                            Uh, I never mentioned tequila.net. Not sure why you think I give a crap what some random strangers (whose palates I know nothing about) decide is good/bad. I, as in ME, think Patron is tequila lite.

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                                                                              hawkeyeui93 Aug 11, 2011 09:31 AM

                                                                              invino: My comment was directed at ncyankee .... and I agree that one should let their own tastes guide their decisions.

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                                                                                ncyankee101 Aug 11, 2011 10:20 AM

                                                                                In which case it made no sense because I clearly stated that I have had Patron silver a couple times and even did a side-by-side with Corazon - and have drunk copious amounts of the anejo.

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                                                                                  hawkeyeui93 Aug 11, 2011 12:00 PM

                                                                                  We're confusing threads here ncyankee ... I agree that you own palate should be your guide. "Invinotheresverde" jumped me saying I cited him as mentioning tequila.net and I told him the comment was directed towards your use of information gleaned from it. However, I have looked at tequila.net and what surprised me is that many mixtos are ranked higher than Patron. I don't care what one thinks about Patron versus other premium 100% Blue Agave Tequilas, but Patron will always be at least one step above the world's best mixto IMHO ....

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                                                                                    ncyankee101 Aug 11, 2011 12:32 PM

                                                                                    I hadn't really looked at the mixto ratings before, but it appears that not many of the top reviewers bother to rate mixtos so I wouldn't place much faith in them. I also look at the reviewer and place more credence in those who are "top 10" or the couple of top reviewers such as Tequila Joe or Pina or eljefe who have tried everything.

                                                                                    I also suspect some may have been misclassified by whoever initially rated it, like the El Gran Viejo extra anejo which is listed as a mixto, scores 94 and cost around $100 - I can't read the bottle well enough to tell for sure but one retailers lists it as 100% agave.

                                                                                    1. re: hawkeyeui93
                                                                                      invinotheresverde Aug 11, 2011 12:48 PM

                                                                                      She. ;)

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                                                                                        EvergreenDan Aug 11, 2011 03:32 PM

                                                                                        Hey - how's the baby? I recall you weren't drinking during your 9 months of internment. ;)

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                                                                                          invinotheresverde Aug 11, 2011 04:46 PM

                                                                                          Amazing. Simply amazing.

                                                                                          Thank you for asking. The nine month hiatus was tough, but I'm having a couple cocktails a week now to maintain sanity. Working on number two already. ;$

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                                                                                    invinotheresverde Aug 11, 2011 12:47 PM

                                                                                    It said re: invinotheresverde, so I was confused.

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                                                                                      hawkeyeui93 Aug 11, 2011 04:35 PM

                                                                                      Sorry invino!

                                                                      3. JMF Sep 2, 2011 02:26 PM

                                                                        Guess what, it causes cancer!
                                                                        http://www.observer.com/2011/09/low-c...

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                                                                          tommy Sep 2, 2011 03:10 PM

                                                                          Sodium benzoate is in plenty of foods, and has been for years. Claims that a product that it's found in "causes cancer" is a bit of an exaggeration.

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                                                                            JMF Sep 3, 2011 06:57 AM

                                                                            supposedly it's the combination with vitamin c and other substances that changes it and forms a cancerous substance.

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                                                                              tommy Sep 3, 2011 07:59 AM

                                                                              Yup, so does creating char on a steak.

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                                                                                EvergreenDan Sep 5, 2011 05:46 AM

                                                                                One is delicious and a great pleasure in life. The other is easily avoided.

                                                                                I'm agree that the risk is overblown. You gotta find the "whole" thing funny, though ;)

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                                                                        2. JMF Sep 12, 2011 06:39 AM

                                                                          I was bartending at a friends annual memorial party Saturday and some prissy girls brought that skinny crap and asked me to serve it. I joked around and told them they could go off and drink it warm from the bottle in a corner, or pour it out and I would make them real margaritas from scratch. They took me seriously and made some nasty remarks and retired to a corner, while I muddled up some limes with simple syrup and tequila, shook on ice, then strained it over hand crushed powdered ice julep style for all the other guests. A few hours later they came asking for a real margarita after trying a taste of mine, and I just laughed and kept 'forgetting' to serve them. I also made virgin ones, basically limeade, for the kids. There was a huge patch of lemon mint and lemon verbena growing in the garden nearby so I jazzed up the cocktails by muddling that into the margaritas, daiquris, and Old Weller Antique juleps. It was really fun getting the kids involved picking mint, and whacking at the ice in my lewis bag with a huge antique wood mallet to crush the ice into a fine powder. Several future bartenders were in that crowd and at one point I got them chanting, "NO SKINNY STUFF ALLOWED!" ;-)>

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                                                                            hawkeyeui93 Sep 12, 2011 12:22 PM

                                                                            Good for you JMF! LOL

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                                                                              TheHuntress Sep 13, 2011 02:03 AM

                                                                              LOL I love this story!

                                                                              1. re: JMF
                                                                                John E. Sep 22, 2011 04:46 PM

                                                                                We recently had a backyard party and a female relative brought a bottle of this stuff. I did not notice until clean up time. I later tried some and it was hideous. The bucket of green stuff at the liquor store where tequila is added and frozen is much better but still not close to the real thing. I'm with you...buy some limes, triple sec and tequila.

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