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This is for a new show on the Food Network and I suddenly need one more in the NYC area.
I'm looking for food feuds in NYC or within a 2 hours drive of the city. An item of food (say pierogi) where there are two restaurants that make an item and lots of strong opinions about who does it best. Let me know if you have any suggestions. Can't do hot dogs, lobster rolls, pizza, deli or cupcakes.....thanks so much for any suggestions.

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  1. Five Napkin Burger vs. Shake Shack

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    Shake Shack
    Madison Ave and E 23rd St, New York, NY 10010

    Five Napkin Burger
    2315 Broadway, New York, NY 10024

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    1. re: brooklynkoshereater

      Thats quite an arbitrary selection of burger places

      1. re: gutsofsteel

        Ramen - Ippudo Ramen vs. Momofuku Noodle Bar

        Soba - Sobaya vs. Matsugen/Sobakoh/Soba Nippon?

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        Momofuku Noodle Bar
        171 1st Ave, New York, NY 10003

        Ippudo
        65 4th Ave, New York, NY 10003

        1. re: Noodle fanatic

          Pretty sure David Chang wouldn't do it if it was for the Food Network. But you could do Ippudo vs. Ramen Setagaya.

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          Ramen Setagaya
          141 1st Ave, New York, NY 10003

          Ippudo
          65 4th Ave, New York, NY 10003

        2. re: gutsofsteel

          PL v. Wolfgangs=Superman v. Jimmy Olson.

        3. Kyochon vs Bon Chon chicken! (or some Korean fried chicken match-up).

          Ess a Bagel vs Murray's (or...a bagel match up!)

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          KyoChon
          319 5th Ave, New York, NY 10016

          1. Roast Beef Sandwiches in Brooklyn. Within blocks of each other. Broolkyn boys have come to blows.

            Both serve the same type and when squinting, look alike.

            Roll N Roaster Vs. Brenen and Carr. The battle begins!

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            1. re: allenbank

              as someone who grew up in manhattan beach across the bay, you are completely wrong.

              1. re: sam1

                As Sam1 and any other Brooklyn boy knows: Brennan and Carr is famous for it's Roast Beef Sammich triple dipped, sloppy with sauteed onions!

                Roll N Roaster is famous for being the first to have cheese fries!!

                On a hot Summer night (sorry Meatloaf) we'd pick up sammiches at Brennan & Carr, drive over to Roll and Roaster for some cheese fries then to Plum Beach to watch the submarine races.

                1. re: Motosport

                  First > Sam, wrong about what? I said if you squint... they are both served on round buns, visual similarity; that's what I was commenting on. And, Sam & Moto, as one who's had more then his share of each, regarding who should win the "battle", which I wasn't going to comment on, I simply thought it would be an interesting competition, Rn'Rs roast beef, the quality of the beef, although admittedly it has diminished somewhat in the past decade(s). I've been patronizing RnR and B&C when "forced" by some from the "other" camp for 30 + years, is so far superior it needs no explanation. But I will as you seem so sure of your opinion.

                  B&C's beef is, although as you say sloppy with juice, as I say > slices of gray, often grizzled tasteless meat, I can't even refer to it as beef as the meat itself is tasteless. No hint of beefiness. The broth, which I do like, although much of the flavor of the broth / juice comes from what I perceive to be copious amounts of added salt, is responsible for 100% of the flavor of the sandwich. OK 90%.

                  The bun, which is an important, actually essential element to the sandwich, any sandwich for that matter, is of the most inferior quality, with no taste or structure at all. It simply disintegrates destroying any pleasure that might be derived from the sandwich. RnR's rolls are baked fresh; crusty on the exterior and soft, although retaining air-pocketed toothsome texture on the interior. They are ideal for absorbing and retaining a proper amount of their broth when dipped by the RnR counter girls. Nice kids all by the way.

                  In a side by side comparison of the broth, keeping in mind, I did say, and I do like B&Cs broth. RnR's is richer and has a more beefy base flavor. I know as fact from buddy Lamonica, RnR's sole founder and owner that the gravy / broth / juice, whatever are pure unadulterated drippings from the roasted beef.

                  RnR's beef is sliced much thiner (relatively) then B&C's adding to its being more tender.

                  I also prefer RnR's onions, again more flavorful, more cooked down onion essence. Almost a roasted onion compote.

                  So as any Brooklyn boy knows > drippy, goopy gray meat on a white bread bun that takes great effort to make it intact to ones mouth vs. a pink mound of beef on a crusty toothsome fresh baked roll which absorbs the rich beefy broth... Hum!

                  Some other opinions, observations and fact regarding our topic:

                  The / my suggested way to get an RnR sandwich is: rare beef with onions and cheese.

                  B&C wasn't begged, lets just say, wasn't asked to open a location in New York New York, Vegas < that really doesn't mean anything, I'm just sayin'.

                  Not relating specifically to B&Cs sandwich > their Roast Beef Plate is astounding to me. Particularly the canned string beans and awful fries.

                  Speaking of fries > you're welcome Moto. I was the first person, to have cheese put on an order of fries at RnRs. 2 weeks later, it was on the menu. If i only had a nickel... < that also means nothing; I just never think about that. Way ancient history "Cheez On Anything You Please". I guess you might say it's my claim to fame! The detailed story; kind of interesting, can be related upon request.

                  Further off topic irrelevance > try a 1/3 pound of blood rare Eagle Provisions (5th Ave.) roast beef on a Royal Crown Brick Oven Hero (lightly toasted) with roasted garlic, cubes of carmalized blackened sweet onions and Graften Cheader and yes, B&Cs beef broth (not too much) and then squint in satisfaction. Or hit-up Defone's for a roast beef and hot pepper hero.

                  ALL the above is nothing more then my opinion of course.

                  And finally, I apologize for the above rant and reaction. It's not "usually" my style, nor do I have the time or inclination to go on and on and on > although, I have been reminded more then once that, "brevity is wit". I'm not sure what set me off as I was, as evidenced by... maybe Sam's assertion that I was "completely" wrong. I am often wrong, but not often completely wrong, coupled with the fact that 2 weeks ago a guy came zooming out of B&Cs parking lot, and without looking (his admission) smashed into me. Maybe, that with my sincere belief in the superiority of RnRs sandwich over B&Cs.

                  Anyway, that's my opinion and I'm...

                  ...I guess this is Brooklyn boys coming to blows 2010 style.

                  1. re: allenbank

                    allenbank, you must be as old as I. I was saying that there is no basis for a fued since both places are famous for different things. The "feud" you proposed would be like comparing Dairy Doll to Buddies. Are you old enough to remember Dairy Doll and Buddies? Apples and oranges.

                    I stand by my affection for Brennan and Carr roast beef sammiches. They are in a league of their own. Totally different than a sammich you might get at a deli. Once again bananas and cherries.

                    1. re: Motosport

                      Moto, yes I agree with you. I was thinking about Roast Beef Sandwiches in the general, larger sense. They are indeed different animals. Yes, I must be as young as you and although I don't remember Dairy Doll, I do have fond memories of Buddies. At the time, it seemed to me, Disneyland had nothing on Buddies.

                      And do you remember Nathan's Back Room? If you're interested, some time ago when I was a regular poster at CH, I wrote a lengthy piece about a number of places in the area when time rolled by at a slower pace, when "we" were young(er). If you'd care to search it > I believe the title of the thread was END OF THE CENTURY. It included a bit about Nathan's Back Room.

                      Another "joint" you might remember, which I still hold in great affection was the late lamented Bluebird Diner on Utica Ave. Near Ices Queen. I wrote in detail, about The Bluebird, which before being the Bluebird was the Paris Diner in another post from long ago called, I believe FAVORITE DINERS.

                      Now that would have been some setting for a reality TV show!

                      Both these posts, if you care to, and can't be found by searching their titles, can I believe, be found by searching my name with a space between allen & bank. It later was morphed into allenbank.

                      Also, and finally, of possible interest; for the nickel, along with all the pleasure and cholesterol I imparted on you with French Fries with Cheese, I'll send you an original Lundy's lobster bib. When the Late Lamented Lundy's was being demolished I rummaged through the debris one summer evening and found a box of the original tufted lobster bibs. I had intended to mount them in frames with a photograph of Lundy's in its hay-day which I'd gotten from the Brooklyn Historical Society and market them in Boca, Miami and West Palm Beach. They're in my closet!

                      And truly finally, in full disclosure, about 6 years ago, 1 evening I had returned from Paris craving a Roast Beef Sandwich (and an order of "French!" with cheese) and knowing I would be close to RnR on my way from JFK, we pulled off The Belt at Knapp St. and headed to RnR. While on line, I heard someone, who it turned out was a "member of the gang" a childhood pal telling his wife about the day I hum, "invented" french fries with cheese and she scolded him with what she stated to him as unquestionable truth. "I'd been eating French Fries with Cheese at Bun n Burger long before Roll and Roaster had them".

                      I choose to believe she was hallucinating as I greeted my long lost friend and we didn't speak of it. She might have been right!

                      1. re: allenbank

                        Moto:

                        Went way way back to check...

                        The 2 posts I referenced were both from 1999 < of course, End Of The Century...

                        ...the correct titles of the posts were:

                        End Of The Century Chowhound Favorites

                        Best Coffee Shop?

                        Must have had a lot of free time in '99.

                        ab

                        1. re: allenbank

                          Dairy Doll was across Flatbush Av and up a couple of bolocks from Buddies.
                          Nathan's Back Room was my go to place to impress the Manhattan girlfriends who always said, "there's no dining room at Nathan's" "Wanna bet?" and I always won the bet. I remember there was a waiter who was a double for John Garfield. Good memories.
                          Lundy's!!!!!!! What a shame? The best dinner biscuits ever! Jackson was our favorite waiter for the Shore dinner.
                          I remember the Paris when it was still the Paris.
                          Before Brooklyn had McD's and Burger King we had Wetsons and Quick Burger where I worked for a couple of years. More fond memories.
                          Favorite diner, The Foursome on Ave U.

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                          The Back Room
                          102 Norfolk St, New York, NY 10002

                          Burger King
                          401 5th Ave, New York, NY 10016

                      2. re: allenbank

                        P.S. Where do I send the nickel? If you are responsible for cheese fries then I say grazie mille!!!!!

                2. Black and Whites: Donut Pub v. William Greenberg
                  Cheese: Murrays v. Saxelby
                  Halal plate: SE corner 53rd and 6th v. Kwik Meal

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                  Donut Pub
                  203 W 14th St, New York, NY 10011

                  Kwik Meal
                  45th St and 6th Ave, New York, NY 10036

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                  1. re: therenowtoo

                    Not sure how to do it, but maybe Economy Candy v. Dylan's Candy Bar?

                    Cannoli: Veniero v. Rocco v. new place that serves only cannoli

                    Meatballs: Locanda Verde v. Meatball Shop

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                    Veniero's
                    342 E 11th St, New York, NY 10003

                    Economy Candy
                    108 Rivington St, New York, NY 10002

                    Dylan's Candy Bar
                    1011 3rd Ave, New York, NY 10021

                    Locanda Verde
                    377 Greenwich St, New York, NY 10013

                    1. re: therenowtoo

                      Re. Black and Whites > make it a 3 way. Add Leske's to the mix.