Are there any restaurant or fast food chains you desire for San Diego?
Although it is always nice to dine at quality homegrown establishments, for some foods, I find that chains are better options than the food available at our local establishments (chain or non-chain). Also, there is nostalgia for chains you grew up with. With that in mind, I list 3 chains that I wish opened an outlet in San Diego.
White Castle
White Castle, creator of the slider, is the original fast food chain. It is the hamburger I grew up with in New York. In my opinion, there is nothing like it, with the perfect melding of the bun, grilled onions, and hamburger patty. (As a side note, their sliders are awful as cheeseburgers, although some people appear to love them.
Probability of establishing an outlet in San Diego: 0.0%
Lucille’s BBQ
Lucille’s is a chain that now has 13 restaurants, 11 in California. They offer true smoke bbq, and their menu is extensive and creative. I love their smoked tri-tip. They also have a great inexpensive kids menu.
Probability of establishing an outlet in San Diego: 35%; If they did open an outlet in San Diego, I suspect it would be in the Sports Arena area.
Portillo’s
Portillo’s is an Illinois-based chain of giant cafeteria-like restaurants that has opened 2 establishments in California (Buena Park and Moreno Valley) in the last few years.Their Italian beef sandwiches are very good and cheap (< $5). Their Chicago style hot dogs are also pretty good.
Probability of establishing an outlet in San Diego: >5%
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We just got back from Kansas City and they have a place that Anthony Bourdain states its one of the '13 places to eat before you die'..it's Oklahoma Joe's BBQ..it's in a converted old gas station and though I don't eat meat, the chicken was off the hook.
Would love to see the Chase from Santa Barbara and Brophy's Bros. too!
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Goodberry's Frozen Custard...or really, any good frozen custard chain!
I wouldn't mind an outlet of Patsy's Pizza from New York either
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re: ipsit
Frozen custard places do not survive in San Diego. True Hearts in eastern Poway had passable frozen custard, but few people ever ordered it - probably because it sounded "weird" to them. When they were in their death throes, they ended up more of a cold stonish ice cream place (another concept which seems to have faded).
I laugh at the White Castle suggestions. Your taste buds might remember them fondly, but I think many of you have forgotten the effect those things have on most digestive systems. :)
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re: RB Hound
Ironically, my college-age son had been bugging us to take him to White Castle ever since "Harold and Kumar" came out. Of course, my wife and I kept going: "But it really, really sucks unless you're drunk or stoned". Finally got a chance to take him to one in the midwest last year and after taking about two bites he just went: "This really, really sucks!".
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I am going to pick a strange one, which is Movenpick (sp?) from Canada. It is really an upscale version of Golden Corral or your generic casino buffet. The food is cooked to order, and there are a huge range of choices. It was not all you can eat, which I feel keeps the quality up. Another, perhaps more realistic choice, is Daily Grill. They are the downscale version of the Grill in BH. They do versions of diner classics. When I am up in Newport, I stop by to get a fix.
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i'm another one who's curious about the statement that chains are better for some foods than our local spots.
i've tended to avoid chains & fast food like the plague pretty much since college, with two exceptions when i lived in NYC...
the tossed-to-order salad places:
http://www.choptsalad.com/
http://justsalad.com/home.php
http://www.tossed.com/and The Pump:
http://www.thepumpenergyfood.com/#/menuthose were my go-tos for a quick, healthy lunch or dinner when i wasn't cooking or brown-bagging it. i've always wondered why there's nothing similar to either of those concepts in So Cal - i think both would be a huge hit here in SD and up in LA. there was one build-your-own salad place up in Sherman Oaks called the Dressing Room, but they closed over a year ago.
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re: goodhealthgourmet
I think she may mean Salad Style. They make very good salads, tossed to order.
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Salad Style
807 F St, San Diego, CA 92101-
re: phee
hmm, i can't tell from their website if it's the kind of place i'm talking about. at the places back in NY, *you* create the salad from all the items they have available, and then they toss it for you. so you choose your lettuce mix/base, and then pick from an extensive list of add-ins (veggies, proteins, cheeses, beans, croutons, nuts, etc), choose a dressing, and they toss it all together for you. does Salad Style have that option? if so, i need to lobby for them to open a North County location :)
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Salad Style
807 F St, San Diego, CA 92101-
re: goodhealthgourmet
No, that's not what they do. The salads are just prepared when you order it, but you can make changes/substitutions. On the other hand, what you've described, I'd really like to see. Kind of like a salad bar but you don't have to do the work!
Any entrepreneurs out there looking for a good restaurant idea? :-)
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re: goodhealthgourmet
SDSU does the salads the way you described. You select what you want and they toss it for you, in front of you. They also offer a selection of hot protein add-ons including, steak, chicken, salmon and tofu. They offer chopped romaine, spring mix and baby spinach as the bed and about 35-40 veggies, fruit, herbs, cheeses, nuts, crunchies, etc. to add in.
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re: goodhealthgourmet
YES! I completely agree - when I moved here from NYC in 2003, the build your own salad (with exceptional ingredients) concept was just taking off in NY, and I thought for sure that Californians would be all over it, but I haven't seen anything like it here. This is the place where you pick out your greens (of various types) and thenthe chef behind the counter puts them in a stainless steel bowl, and you tell him what additional ingredients you want added. He works down the line, adding whatever delicious fresh things you specify, starting w/other veggies (from standard to exotic, either raw or grilled, steamed, etc), then starches (from items like cous cous, quinoa, homemade croutons, etc) then proteins (fresh grilled salmon, tofu, steak, etc) and then you pick a dressing (again all original, fresh and delicious - not your standard goop). Then they toss it all in the stainless steel bowl with tongs, put it in a takeout container and you go eat it at your desk, like most other NYC midtown office workers.
When I worked in the Chrysler bldg, there was one around the corner on 43rd St that I loved but I can't for the life of me remember the name. It was a new chain (in '03) with only a couple locations around Manhattan...I thought about contacting them and seeing about opening a franchise out here but never did. I've since heard of the good salad place in Liberty station in Pt Loma but haven't tried it and don't know if it's same concept. Also, I see there's a place called Croutons near Trader Joe's in La Jolla...is that similar?
My favorite bagels come from Myer's Bagels in Montreal. I'd be living on them if they were out here - so fantastic!!
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re: carli
The name of the Liberty Station restaurant you are thinking of is Tender Greens. Locally farmed produce and other sustainable ingredients. They make every salad fresh to order, you can also choose greens/dressing and add your own "hot stuff" (protein). Great soups, sandwiches and desserts as well.
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Tender Greens
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re: goodhealthgourmet
It's one of their most popular concepts. It went from $0 to $30,000 a week when it opened. Think there's a market for this concpet? You betcha
There's a concpet in Colorado that does this. I ate there several times when I was at a conference in Denver. I can't remember the name of the little chain, but even though I really liked it, they had some operational issues I didn't care for. They had 18 "signature" salads that had set ingredients and were reasonably priced. If you chose to do create our own salad from their ingredients it was super expensive. Their signature salads were good and had some creative aspects to them but sometimes you just want to specify certain things and be done with it. The place was set up cafeteria style so you walked down the line as your salad was being assembled. This wouldn't have been so bad if their staff hadn't been so inept. Good idea, marginal execution.
SDSU has gotten it right. They have an order sheet with every ingredient they offer listed. You check off what you want, give it to the server who makes and tosses it and hands it back to you. No muss, no fuss and you're out the door fairly quickly, and for about $7 +/-.
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re: goodhealthgourmet
looks like we're finally getting a similar franchise here in LA - made-to-order salads, plus wraps and rice bowls, including breakfast! hopefully it'll make its way down to all of you in SD...
http://www.freshii.com/menu.php
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re: honkman
It's pretty easy to see why dining at Ad Hoc would be a lot more consistent than at Bouchon. For each day, there is only one type of salad, one type of entree, one type of vegetable dish, and one type of dessert available. At least that's my understanding from visiting the website.
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re: Encinitan
Ad Hoc has only one 4-course menu everyday but it is not only the consistency which we found missing from Bouchon (which shouldn't be an issue anyway at that level) but quite a lot of dishes are way overpriced for what you get compared to similar restaurants and are mainly reasoned by the name Keller not the quality. In addition we found the service at Ad Hoc overall much better than at both Bouchons
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I wouldn't mind seeing a Beard Papa open up somewhere for an occasional treat, though I heard one once opened up somewhere in East County... It's a Japanese chain noted for their Shu Creams (Choux à la Crème or cream puffs).
I'd also like to see Aji Ichiban, a Taiwan-based chain (with the Japanese name!) of Asian confectionery stores, particularly specializing in various forms of preserved fruits (particularly plums - think Ling Hi Mui and the like) and seafood (such as Sawagani, squid, and cuttlefish) and sold by weight.
The small Hawaiian chain Crack Seed Center would be a good substitute in lieu of an Aji Ichiban.
And really I wouldn't mind at all the Japanese version of 7-11's to replace all of the 7-11's we have here. They actually offer, as well as the other so-called Combini's (convenience stores), decent food at a good price for a quick grab and go meal, and is nothing like the pitiful stores we have here. On my last trip to Japan I remember briefly walking into the nearest Combini from my hotel to pick up a small bunch of the incredible Kyoho grapes. If only I could do the same here!
...and not a restaurant or fast food chain, but would love to see UK's Waitrose chain of grocery stores open up here. They've managed to strike the perfect balance between cost, quality, selection, customer education and service, and cutting edge food products that will give Whole Foods and the like a serious run for their money. And their magazine and free recipe cards are incredible, a Foodies resource to be sure!
Oh I think I can go on and on...
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re: cgfan
There was a Beard Papa that opened in Plaza Bonita last year, but it closed, mostly because it was disgusting. I doubt they will be building another location in San Diego, if word got out...
(I'm guessing that whoever was running the place was "doing it wrong," because there are bakeries on Convoy that make much, much better creme puffs-- which in turn pale in comparison to ones I've eaten in LA.)
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re: ikeg
Wow, that's really surprising. Any details?
I've never come across a Beard Papa that produced anything but a very good cream puff. Yes one can find better, but there will always be independents that can outdo a chain. Never saw the one in Plaza Bonita, but I'd still give BP (oh oh, bad initials these days...) a second chance in San Diego... Wonder why they located there in the first place? The demographics would favor a location like Kearny Mesa...
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re: cgfan
Well, from what I remember, the shell was very soggy, like it had been made much earlier in the day and then refrigerated. The fillings were way too sweet as well, and the filling had a weird, thick texture that kind of reminded me of cheap pudding. Actually that mmm-yoso review sums it up pretty well, so I guess it wasn't an outlier.
As far as Plaza Bonita, my guess is that they were probably trying to cater to the large Filipino population that lives in the area. This place was in the new addition they built on, a stones throw from a Jollibee and and the new theatre.
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Jollibee
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re: cgfan
Plaza Bonita Beard Papa started incredibly strong and then went downhill incredibly fast as if they had very little turnover and their inventory sat longer than they intended it to, resulting in a vasty inferior product. It was no suprise they didn't last.
Luckily the one on Sawtelle in LA is close enough to my in-laws to give me my Beard Papa fix.
Hoping for a Dunkin Donuts to return, very unlikely.
Any good bagel chains? I'd love to have them as well.
Although not a chain, Japadog in Vancouver would be a nice addition to the city. Yes, hotdogs with a Japanese twist. Yum.
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re: Ewilensky
"Any good bagel chains? I'd love to have them as well. "
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nope. the problem with bagels is the water - if you want true NY or Montreal bagels, you need the same water they use in those cities. it's been years since i had a bagel, and even longer since i had one from a chain, but no chain bagel i've had was anything more than a roll with a hole in it.-
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re: JRSD
i imagine so, if they use water with the right mineral content. any idea if the "good" pizzerias use local water? unfortunately i'm no longer able to eat pizza so i can't judge for myself. i've actually never even eaten a slice - good OR bad - here in SD (or in LA, for that matter)!
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re: goodhealthgourmet
San Diego used to have excellent bagels back when Baltimore Bagel Company was in business. Then in August 1995 the chain was purchased by Progressive Bagel Concepts, Inc. (PBCI, later renamed Einstein/Noah Bagel Corporation) and the existing stores were converted to Einstein Bagel stores.
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re: cgfan
I'd 2nd Aji Ichiban--wandered through one in Honolulu and it was the Asian version of the Sweet Shop (?) stalls that used to populate the malls.
I'd LOVE Brent's Deli down here. Or any good Jewish deli, for that matter.
King Hua from Alhambra for excellent dim sum.
Burma Superstar and Kowloon Tong Dessert from SF.
Fugetsu-Do from Little Tokyo (the mochi from the place Chula Vista's were strangely salty--at least the ones I got from Nijiya).
Pearl Bakery from PDX. Ohhhh, I can taste their croissants and gibassier bread!!!
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re: daantaat
daantaat - I, too, was missing Fugetsu-Do ever since I moved out of LA, that is until I actually visited Hogetsu-do's store in Chula Vista. What a difference over the items pre-packaged for distribution. Fugetsu-Do still remains my reference, but since my first visit to Hogetsu-do's shop the difference seems to be much, much smaller...
However I still wouldn't complain if Fugetsu-Do were to open up here, as unlikely as that'll be...
BTW have you ever come across the Crack Seed Center in Honolulu? Very much like Aji Ichiban, but with a country store kinda feel...
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re: cgfan
cgfan, I hold your comments in really high regard...but I'll respectfully disagree for this one for Beard Papa. I thought them meh at best; I thought their creme to be too heavy and their choux just okay. But ITA on Crack Seed Center and a J-version 7-11 (for their oden and pretty good rice in their riceballs)!
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re: OCAnn
OCAnn, while we're on the subject by chance is there anything close to a Crack Seed Center or an Aji Ichiban in OC? If so a drive from SD would be worth it. (On the other hand have you ever checked out Aji Ichiban in San Gabriel, in the Focus Plaza? A good alternative to not having a Crack Seed Center if you happen to be in the area!)
Believe it or not there once used to be an Aji Ichiban kiosk just outside of the Cineplex in Mission Valley Center, but the selection was really abbreviated and most who passed by the cart seemed to be puzzled by what they carried! Would have been a killer business had it been located in Kearny Mesa!
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re: cgfan
I'm not aware of a Crack Seed Center-like shop or Aji Ichiban in OC. =( The closest of something like that is the Hawaiian section of Marukai in Gardena, which is a very small portion of an aisle. Perhaps the Rowland Heights area (just north of OC) would have shops similar to that, but I've not been adventurous in my middle age.
And unfortunately, I've not been to Aji Ichiban in SGV. =(
If you ever make it up to OC, you might try Cream Pan. Their cream puffs are better than BP's. =)
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Ichiban
1449 University Ave, San Diego, CA 92103
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I'd be curious to know which foods you think chains are better for.
Anymore, after reading so much about the industrialization of our food supply, I've come to see the vast majority of restaurants (chain and "independent" included) as little more than Sysco reassembly fronts - with pre-made commodity food defrosted, reconfigured, and assembled by low-paid, unskilled workers. Chains in particular exemplify this depressing trend.
Also, historically, I'm pretty sure the dubious honor of inventing the fast food chain goes to Carl's Jr.
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re: mikec
Interesting - this prompted me to do more digging, and it looks like there's some dispute between whether or not A&W or White Castle is the second fast-food restaurant. New York's Automat is considered the first fast food place. The MacDonald brothers are credited with the first hamburger-oriented fast food place, with a menu limited to burgers and fries only, and assembly line production.
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re: Josh
If wikipedia is right (as it usually is about everything, excluding bios and politically charged topics), the first automat (Horn and Hardart) opened in Philadelphia in 1902. The first automat in New York (also Horn and Hardart) opened in 1912.
White Castle is "hamburger-oriented" and is fast food, so why would you state that McDonald's is the first "hamburger oriented" fast food place?
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I've seen a few Lucille's up in Orange County but never eaten there. Might have to give it a try next time. Have you been to Woodfire Ranch? It's another chain that exists up in LA that I haven't seen in SD. I ate there once and the food was ok but nothing to write home about. I'm wondering how Lucille's compares.
In any case it would be interesting to see another BBQ joint go head to head with Phils in the Sports Arena area.
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re: mayache
Dunkin' Donuts might be the only chain I wish was in San Diego. We do buy the coffee from Costco, but it's not really the same.
I can think of a few chains we always visit when we travel to certain parts of the country, but we really don't eat at chains regularly enough to miss them when we come home. I still haven't been to the Sonic that opened up and I rarely stop at In 'n Out, either. Even if we did have a DD, we wouldn't go every morning. But it would definitely replace the occasional Starbucks run on weekends.
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