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Trader Joe's?!?

Fresh Market's is opening on South Beach, there are 3 different Publix's on South Beach, there's a Whole Foods and Epicure . . . So what is holding up Trader Joe's? I know it doesn't have to be South Beach but in the Miami area? Has anyone heard word of Trader Joe's coming here or anywhere in Florida? I know there's been rumors but the ones I know about are pretty old. So has anyone heard anything recent?

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  1. Well...we have Whole Foods...and Epicure....and Publix....and Fresh Market.......Why do we need a Trader Joe's??.......I've been in a Trader Joe's.....I liked it.........but with great stores like WF, EP, PX and FM - - - what's the NEED for a Trader Joe's??......Please enlighten.....

    EMac

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    1. re: LargeLife

      The basic difference in my mind is that Trader Joes is first about value AND variety. All of those other options are about variety without a mind towards cost.
      M

      1. re: LargeLife

        For those who have not been to one in the N.E. or Cali, I describe Trader Joe's as a cross between Whole Foods and Costco. :-)

        1. re: CFByrne

          I shopped in a Trader Joe's just outside of Boston.....liked it....enjoyed it.....but it wasn't THAT big of a deal.....The Fresh Market that I visit in The Grove and in Vero are much nicer and have a lot more to offer.....at least to my eye.......

          EMac

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          18295 Biscayne Blvd, North Miami Beach, FL 33160

          1. re: CFByrne

            I thinki TJ's is more like Whole Foods meets Big Lots.

        2. this has been discussed a lot on TJ fan club sites etc. Basically it does not sound too good right now.

          Trader Joe’s says Florida not in plans
          posted by bkassab on April, 28 2009 11:51 AM
          http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/busi...

          See also this site:

          http://www.trackingtraderjoes.com/

          1. I just feel the competition is good for everyone plus I have heard very good things about it as an employer. I like making good choices that are based on value, products, convenience and ethical treatment of employees. I know I can't have everything but when I can I try to make a good choice all around. Plus, I like a good selection of natural and organic products. Epicure and Fresh Foods just don't cut it in those departments. I won't shop at Epicure because I have heard that it treats its employees very badly starting with no vacation. If I am wrong on the latter please enlighten me.

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            1. re: sobeiam

              I respect your viewpoint....competition is good....to a point......We have so many choices now.....another choice may make it tough to keep everyone afloat.....And that's when competition isn't so good......That's kind of what I refer to as the "Wal-Mart Way'.....and I don't shop there......I always encourage folks that like 'organic' or natural products to really look in to those......What those folks really mean to say is "organically sustainable"........but they're just not required to say that.....just yet.......

              I think there are enough choices....but that's just MY opinion.......Party on!

              Emac

              1. re: LargeLife

                San Francisco has so many choices. Los Angeles has so many choices. Chicago has so many choices. Heck, Sacramento has so many choices. South Florida, my friend, does not have that many in comparison. And coincidentally what's one of the things those cities with many choices have in common? They've all got Trader Joe's.

                1. re: lax2mia

                  You're right, lax....Los Angeles, Chicago and San Francisco do have so many choices........And the common thread amongst those cities and adjoining metropolitan areas (populations wise) is that they're much LARGER than the combined areas of Dade-Broward.....and those consumer areas can support the wide array of choices........Income and disposable income are other issues to be looked at........

                  I liked Trader Joe's when I visited......Just not so sure this area would support another establishment like this......

                  Emac

                  1. re: LargeLife

                    I agree and I knew that'd be the argument, that's why I threw in Sacramento (which, due to a fiancee with immediate family there, I "fortunately" get to travel to on a regular basis). The population of Sac and the surrounding areas is not more than that of MD/Broward yet they have a slew of quality chains specific to the area (Bel Air, Raley's, Nugget, etc.) as well as others with a more statewide presence (Safeway, Ralphs). Along with these there's national chains like Trader Joe's (been around since close to the inception), Whole Foods and local gourmet stores like Corti Bros.. So why does an area with a population nowhere near that of Dade/Broward have such a greater variety to choose from? No idea on that, but it demonstrates that this area is woefully underserved.

                    1. re: lax2mia

                      south Fl is woefully under served - it was a great shock to me when I moved to Fl from England to find such awful produce and a poor choice of produce. Coming from London every Tescos, Sainsbury's and Waitrose have the most amazing display of produce, not just 1 type of pear but 6, probably 10 types of apples, great soft fruits, etc etc. All those supermarkets carry their own lines of ready cooked foods which are really good. Marks and Spencers a huge chain is unrivalled. Not to mention huge refridgerators full of cheeses, butters, great yoghurts, fab selections of meats, desserts, as well as all the trashy stuff.

                      I also think Publix is quite expensive - yes there is Walmart and Winn Dixie but ........... yep fine for canned goods, cereals and other regular groceries but south fl is lacking in the fine foods departments.

                      I don't know why we don't have better foods and produce here. An interesting discussion.

            2. having never been to a TJ could somebody please explain what they are all about?

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              1. re: smartie

                Lax...I haven't been to Sacramento....and know nothing about it......But as a generalization.....it takes disposable income (and alot of it) to shop at Whole Foods....Fresh Market of the like......And perhaps SAC has more of that than many areas of South Florida.....which aren't very affluent.......I hit Fresh Market in The Grove and in Vero Beach on a regular basis.......and one look at the cars in the parking lot.....tells you who shops at those kinds of grocery stores.......It's not the same folks that shop at Winn Dixie.......

                I'm a Publix kind of guy.....but I'm a foodie and I hit the high end grocers once and sometimes twice per month.....I peruse the aisles and shelves closely.....always looking for something unusual or fun......Not sure if even I'm the 'typical' shopper for Whole Foods....Fresh Market.....and the like......And I'm blessed to make really decent money.......

                Fun discussion......

                EMac

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                2640 S Bayshore Dr, Miami, FL 33133

                1. re: LargeLife

                  That's the thing. The markets I mentioned above (Raley's, Bel Air, Nugget, Safeway and Ralph's) are all supermarket chains a la Publix. It's not about inexpensive vs. expensive out there, it's more about competition (believe me, the affluence factor is much higher in S FLA than Sac, believe me). Imagine a Publix that carried the full line of Columbus salumi products from San Francisco, that had a bakery and cheese section to rival Epicure's, but that you could also buy Clorox and Doritos and that'd be Nugget. Imagine a Publix where you could get grilled tri-tip sandwiches and hard-to-find regional bottled sodas and that'd be Bel Air. Their prices are comparable, and many times cheaper, than Publix.

                  I'm saying that even in the middle market grocery store category we're woefully underserved in what is pretty much a Publix monopoly. We've got the high end covered (me personally, I like Fresh Market over WF just because it's much less preachy (sp)). But for everyday shopping, I know it's possible to have more choices, I just don't know what spell Publix cast over the throngs of Floridians to make them accept just one mediocre chain.

                  Agree, fun discussion.

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                  2640 S Bayshore Dr, Miami, FL 33133

                  1. re: lax2mia

                    I have been reading this board for several years, but almost never post... but this topic is particularily interesting to me.
                    I don't know why there is such a lack of choice is SFl, but I certainly noticed that it exists. Is there some connection between the lack of a large urban farmers market (not farmstand market or resale market, but one with people who grow the unprocessed food that they sell) and the lack of Trader Joes?
                    It feels pretty crazy that St. Louis, MO and Columbus, Ohio and Detroit, Michigan all have large urban markets and TJ but we don't.

                    m

                    1. re: Mega

                      Don't think the lack of market has anything to do with it. When I lived in DC a lot of TJ's produce (I remember basil and tomatoes specifically) were from FL (and cheaper than what Publix would sell for!) so I guess they source where they can get a good price.

                      As for locations, I believe one of the metrics TJs looks at when opening a store is % of college graduates surrounding a given location. Thus the TJ's in Columbus and Raleigh-Durham, both small metro areas but w/ a large number of college grads.

              2. I visited my first Trader Joe's last year while I vacationed in Santa Fe ,New Mexico. Honestly, it was very nice but I couldn't see what all of the excitement was about. Maybe it was this particular store, but It just didn't ring my bell. I will spend a few dollars more here in Palm Beach countyat Publix that I feel I am getting top knotch food and service. Winn-Dixie will probably save me a few bucks but the quality isn't always there. As for steaks, I think Costco is the best for the price.