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Maple and Motor

J.R. Jun 8, 2010 12:48 PM

I'd be interested in folk's take on Maple and Motor burger and place in general. Personally, I think the actual burger is right at the top for Dallas burgers. Everything about the burger seems to be perfectly perportioned. It fits the bill for a "burger joint" in dallas. Love the Coors Banquet on tap. Anyone else?

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    CocoaNut RE: J.R. Jun 8, 2010 01:19 PM

    There was a short discussion on it a few weeks back:


    I saw that DMN's Friday's Guide gave it pretty high marks a week or so ago.

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    1. re: CocoaNut
      DallasDude RE: CocoaNut Jun 8, 2010 01:29 PM

      I am a fan. I particularly appreciate the fried egg on top. Self saucing!

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        J.R. RE: DallasDude Jun 8, 2010 02:21 PM

        I like that you can have a real good glass of wine or good beer with your burger. Don't underrate the jukbox there, either.

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          OCNC RE: DallasDude Jun 8, 2010 02:24 PM

          You really must try the burger at SMOKE, Dallas Dude. They bread and deep fat fry the egg before they put it on th burger. You can barely gat it in your mouth! Decadent!

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            DallasDude RE: OCNC Jun 8, 2010 02:28 PM

            Holy bejesus, I DO need to try that. I am a fan of the Stodg at the Porch, but I have to share it.

            It has loads of beef, cheddar cheese, bacon and buttered with foie then topped with an over easy egg. I have seen people asl for multiple eggs for optimum runniness.

      2. Dallas Alice RE: J.R. Jun 10, 2010 06:16 AM

        They make a fine burger. I love the grilled fresh jalapenos. What keeps M&M a step away from burger greatness is the bun -- it does not hold up to the burger's heft and juiciness.

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          fixer RE: J.R. Jun 10, 2010 09:33 AM

          I like Maple and Motor but I want to like it more. I find that the burger is ofter a little over cooked. I prefer a burger to have some pink/red in the center. I keep going back hoing they get it right bit not yet. I'll give it a few more chances.

          They also need to build a patio out back or put some tables in the parkinglot.

          When I go there and the line is out the door, I go around the corner to Burguesa and eat La Monumental. If you haven't tried it, check it out.

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            sahm2three RE: fixer Jan 25, 2011 09:51 AM

            I also find the burger at Maple and Motor not to be up to snuff. Mine was over-cooked, tasteless and bland. The buns are hard and tasted stale. While I was ordering the owner was rude...I overlooked it, but after tasting the nasty burger I wish I'd walked out.

            I've seen so many other people complain about this jerk...read the reviews before you waste your time and money.

            fyi: While I was there I witnessed the owner being rude to several other customers. This place doesn't deserve a top 10 rating...maybe a top 1000.

          2. twinwillow RE: J.R. Jan 25, 2011 10:25 AM

            He is rude! That's why I won't go back. Besides, I don't like his insistence on on making it, "his way".

            I had a burger the other night at Nova in Oak Cliff that was really, really good. Charred on the outside and medium rare inside. They did it, "my way".

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              DallasDude RE: twinwillow Jan 25, 2011 10:57 AM

              I haven't had that experience. Odd. My burger is made the way I ask each and every time and everyone is full of bright smiles. I treat people well enough, maybe that's it?

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                sahm2three RE: DallasDude Jan 25, 2011 11:02 AM

                If asking for your burger being cooked a certain way and then being barked back that he only does it his way makes me the rude one then I guess it was me...

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                  gavlist RE: DallasDude Jan 25, 2011 12:08 PM

                  I haven't found them to be rude... but I have yet to eat a compelling burger there. I've eaten there three times, and they're not terribly juicy, not terribly beefy tasting, and aside from the awesome crispiness on the cut surface of the bun I can't think of a single reason to eat a fourth. It's not a bad burger... but the fact that they're even considered one of the best in Dallas has me baffled.

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                    DallasDude RE: gavlist Jan 25, 2011 12:52 PM

                    I think some people do not get the burger, and that is ok. I see this as a tribute burger, one that harkens back to simpler times. My burger has always been juicy, plump and meaty. The use of the ground brisket along with ground chuck ensures that for me. It reminds me of Prince of Burgers in some sense.

                    M&M recently went to a custom bun that echoes the flavor profile of the old version, but much more sturdy and holds the fight well to the last bite.

                    Is there a better burger? Dunno, depends on your taste. The Ava burger kicks ass on all fronts and each component is made in house. It isn't in the same league since it is a "chef driven burger" and the price reflects such.

                    On our recent burger tour we checked out the Boots Burger in Rockwall, minutes away from Ava. Their burger was cheap (like 2.90 with tax) and was served with a crazy good jalapeno relish. I thought it was delicious but again, not the same as the M&M.

                    Other burgers that people jimmy about is Angry Dog. Not a fan as it has a distinct 'steamed' flavor on a plethora of visits aimed at curing a hangover.

                    Major Name Dropping:

                    Burger House: Meh.
                    Jakes: Very good.
                    Kellers: Just OK.
                    Dairy-ette: Very good burger but a bit winsome.
                    Wingfields: Fantastic, but a bit obese and steamy which is problematic when you cook so many so close under cover.
                    Farnatchi: Love this burger's flavor profile and different.
                    Burger Girl: No thanks.
                    Twisted Root: Good, inconsistent. Last one I had blew me away.
                    Scotty P: Just OK.
                    Love Shack: Love it..
                    Snuffers: Good.
                    Stoneleigh P: Greatness on a bun.
                    Lee Harvey: Great.
                    Square Burger: Excellent. Love the lamb burger. Pricey.
                    Grazing Cow: Never open.
                    12 Burgers: Sucked.
                    Smashburger: Good chain.
                    5 Guys: Grease bomb, sometimes I want that.
                    Alee: New place, good, cheap, huge. Not the best but their fries sure could be construde as such. Give them time to figure their massive bun and grill out.

                    2010 was definitely the Year of the Burger, running side-by-side to the taco. I had plenty, some I failed to mention here. I like the M&M burger. It is more convenient than some, tastier than others, and I like how people get riled up over the guy - some who never met him. That alone would get me back in the door.

                    Summation: I likes me a good burger and you can find them all over town. Thank the Lord we can have a nice meat-centric sandwich almost everywhere in Dallas.

                    Boots Burger
                    701 Austin St, Rockwall, TX 75087

                    Burger House
                    6248 E Mockingbird Ln, Dallas, TX 75214

                    Lee Harvey's
                    1807 Gould St, Dallas, TX 75215

                    Angry Dog
                    2726 Commerce St, Dallas, TX 75226

                    Stoneleigh P Restaurant
                    2926 Maple Ave, Dallas, TX 75201

                    4980 Belt Line Rd, Dallas, TX 75254

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                      the_sneeb RE: DallasDude Jan 25, 2011 02:11 PM

                      In my experience, Jack has been nothing but amiable and well dispositioned. That place is so small and so frequently slammed he has to run a tight ship or else you'd never be able to get 'cho burger on. I part ways with you on Jake's, however. That is a terrible burger.

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                        twinwillow RE: sahm2three Jan 25, 2011 02:55 PM

                        Maybe Jack should expand and then he could be nicer to people.

                      2. re: DallasDude
                        gavlist RE: DallasDude Jan 25, 2011 02:48 PM

                        What is there to "get" about a hamburger?? Either it's beefy and juicy, or it's not. Apparently we just disagree about whether M&M burgers have these properties, although it's tough to imagine that these are terribly subjective. Maybe they do use brisket and chuck, but as far as I can tell it just doesn't show up in the juiciness or flavor. The Neighborhood Services burgers use ground brisket and chuck (granted, very high quality meats) - and those are rather delicious. I'm also not sure I get your comparison to The Prince... that was a fairly thin patty (assuming you're referring to the drive up that used to be on Lemmon), while M&M's is not.

                        since we're talking, I'll also respectfully disagree with you (and many many others) regarding Wingfields. I've eaten three of those monstrosities - you're right that it's obese. I also find it to be made of exceedingly low quality meat (little blebs of un-rendered fat throughout the patty) and not terribly flavorful at all. Again, baffled.

                        Angry Dog, however, I do find to be flavorful. It's the most consistently beefy tasting burger around - I've eaten it tons of times. I'm not sure about "steamy"... I don't have a clear idea of what you mean by that. I've eaten burgers that were actually steamed, and Angry Dog's taste nothing like them. It is a little (ok, very) on the greasy side, and once drove me to a 6 day stint of vegetarianism, but when I'm in the mood for a burger that's where I head.

                        Lee Harvey's and the Stoneleigh P are also quite good.

                        Neighborhood Services
                        5027 W Lovers Ln, Dallas, TX

                        Lee Harvey's
                        1807 Gould St, Dallas, TX 75215

                        Angry Dog
                        2726 Commerce St, Dallas, TX 75226

                        Stoneleigh P Restaurant
                        2926 Maple Ave, Dallas, TX 75201

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                          amokscience RE: DallasDude Jan 25, 2011 03:17 PM

                          I've eaten at most of that list and my favorites are Wingfield's and Smashburgers (partially because of the fries). Dairyette was pretty good as well and I will see if In-N-Out lives up to memory. I can easily live without ever returning to the rest of the dozens of places I've had overpriced/mediocre burgers. My experience with M&M was an average burger, average fries, and an unremarkable interaction with the cashier.

                          Also, I just can't bring myself to pay for those $10+ concoctions. I'd rather make them at home and ever since I bought a meat grinder I've done just that. It's fun grinding up tri-tip, skirt steak, ribeye, short ribs, etc and seeing what they taste like in burger format. Killed my drive to try other burgers.

                          4980 Belt Line Rd, Dallas, TX 75254

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                            air RE: DallasDude Jan 25, 2011 07:57 PM

                            DD: you forgot to mention a key one, the Grape!

                            With regard to your summation - I also don't get the hubbub over some chain place coming into town, considering all the options available (different or better, whatever may be). But I guess that's the beauty of it, enjoy the throngs while it lasts.

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                              sahm2three RE: air Jan 26, 2011 05:29 AM

                              YES!!! The Grape...I also like Kincaid's (the original one in Fort Worth).

                            2. re: DallasDude
                              CocoaNut RE: DallasDude Jan 26, 2011 05:19 AM

                              >> 5 Guys: Grease bomb, sometimes I want that.

                              Another reason why chains are difficult to review as a single entity. The 5 Guys in Southlake is not greasy, but has no flavor either.

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                                sahm2three RE: CocoaNut Jan 26, 2011 05:30 AM

                                I'm not a huge fan of 5 Guys burgers, but their bacon cheese hot dog is pretty darn good.

                      3. twinwillow RE: J.R. Jan 25, 2011 02:54 PM

                        'Dude, with all due respect - and you know I like you personally. But, I think you're totally off base when it comes to
                        many of the burger joints you mentioned.

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                        1. re: twinwillow
                          DallasDude RE: twinwillow Jan 25, 2011 03:03 PM

                          Vive la différence, I call 'em like i see 'em.

                          About 'steamed' quality of a burger, if too many are on a flat top at once they steam rather than grill. If this takes place they will never brown and achieve that desired char on the outside that carries so much flavor. I know both of you can cook and this would be true for any food that is crowded on a flattop or saute pan.

                          Now excuse me while I head to Lee Harvey for half price burger night.

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                            twinwillow RE: DallasDude Jan 25, 2011 03:04 PM

                            I concur!

                            'Dude, you've got to try the big, Bison burger at Nova! Text me with your opinion.

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                              DallasDude RE: twinwillow Jan 26, 2011 11:57 AM

                              I was at Nova a few weeks ago and the burger didn't stand out much on the menu. It rarely occurs to me to order a burger at a chef driven restaurant unless I am there for that purpose. I sometimes go with Rob Banes to eat these burgers when he is reviewing for his blog. I would like to try the Nova, Salum, Hatties, the Moth and a few others. The Camembert Burger at Common Table is really nice.

                              Salum Restaurant
                              4152 Cole Ave Ste 103, Dallas, TX 75204

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                              gavlist RE: DallasDude Jan 25, 2011 03:21 PM

                              ah - so (if I follow correctly) what you're calling "steamed" flavor is the absence of the flavors that develop from browning? Makes sense for a VERY crowded grill (which I've seen at Wingfield's as you mentioned) although I haven't noticed it at Angry Dog. It could have something to do with timing... I'm not usually there during busy hours.

                              Angry Dog
                              2726 Commerce St, Dallas, TX 75226

                              1. re: gavlist
                                DallasDude RE: gavlist Jan 25, 2011 03:24 PM

                                Since its a hangover cure meal I have been seen there usually Sunday afternoons when it is jammed packed.

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