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Restaurants I love, you hate

So lately I am not feeling the love from my fellow Ontario Chowhounders. It seems that every restaurant I love, you hate. And vice versa

Some of my favorites (aka your least favorites) include:
Sotto sotto
Terroni (balmoral)
Chippys
and
House of Chan.

on the other hand...I really didn't see what was so special about Trio on Yonge St., Craft Burger, or C'est Bon chinese--all three of which get mostly favorable reviews from y'all.

So is it just me? Do others out there agree with me? What restaurants do you love that we have (and vice versa). C'mon, don't be shy...

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C'est Bon
2685 Yonge St, Toronto, ON M4N2H8, CA

House of Chan
876 Eglinton Ave W, Toronto, ON M6C2B6, CA

Big Smoke Burger
573 King St W, Toronto, ON M5V1M1, CA

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  1. I definitely agree about Sotto Sotto and House of Chan. CHers definitely have no love for Sotto Sotto. I've tried to talk it up a bunch of times only to be beaten down quick. I don't know, the 3 times I've been it was fabulous.

    And House of Chan.... well..... as far as I'm concerned it's an institution for a reason. I honestly haven't been in years but I have wonderful memories. And apparently they now bring in Key Lime pie from Joe's Stone Crabs. Yup, I think I might just have to make a long overdue visit to House of Chan.

    I’ll add Ferraro to your list. I love it. Most people don't.

    I'll also add Centre St. Deli, Golden Star, Sushi on Bloor, and Swiss Chalet. Love all. All 4 get plenty of beatdowns.

    On the reverse, I'll name Le Paradis. Loved it growing up. Now I won't go. The incredibly rude service and increasingly mediocre food.... buh. CHers still love tho it generally speaking. I'll takes Jacque's.

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    1. re: magic

      I so agree about Centre St Deli - we had a feast there on the weekend and I adore their smoked meat.

      On the reverse side for me, I really didn't like Maroli or Tacos El Asador, both on Bloor and both big CH faves. Maroli in particular was disappointing -- we ordered once and thought it was way too sweet and kind of gross overall.

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      Tacos El Asador
      690 Bloor St W, Toronto, ON M6G1L2, CA

      Maroli
      630 Bloor St W, Toronto, ON M6G1K7, CA

      Centre St Deli
      647 Centre, Mount Albert, ON L0G, CA

    2. As many have mentioned before all these reviews are still more or less a matter of personal taste. Yes there are the definite STAY AWAY restos out there that 99.9999 % of CHers will warn others about and the GO TO place that again 99.9999% will agree upon. However there are those restos that are 30/70 love/hate or even 50/50 that are all based on a matter of opinion.

      I like (and not ashamed):

      Baton Rouge
      Swiss Chalet
      Hot House Cafe
      Pickle Barrel

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      1. re: scarberian

        Toronto Fastfoodie...creative post. Nice! Here's some of mine:

        Swiss Chalet
        Smokes Poutinerie
        Cafe Dipamatico (for pasta)
        Red Lobster
        Pannago
        Lahore Tikka House

        1. re: food face

          LOVE Panago! I love how I can go with my family of four (diverse tastes) and we all can get our own little pizzas.
          And Cafe Diplomatico is always amazing... whether for brunch or late night drinks (some of the strongest in the city... certainly not shy with the booze.

          And do that many people really like offal? I keep wanting to go to Black Hoof because of all of the recs on this site, but everytime I look at the menu, I just chicken out. Are there that many people out there that like so many unusual kinds of meat?

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          Cafe Diplomatico
          594 College St, Toronto, ON M6G 1B3, CA

          The Black Hoof
          928 Dundas St W, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

          1. re: Toronto Fastfoodie

            Offal in general- stuff you love, I hate! Great ethical concept but so G-D pretentious! Horse intestines- no thanks.

            1. re: food face

              alert the peasants! they're being pretentious!

              anything can have the air of pretentiousness, just look at the pizza and burger scene. people have been eating offal for a very long time, mostly started out of necessity, but now it's understood how best to cook it and bring out great flavour so others love it. i certainly prize the flavours and texture over a chicken breast any day. if there was a mc'offal and it was done reasonably well, i'd be all over it.

              1. re: pinstripeprincess

                I can't do offal and hence can't go to Black Hoof. I lived in the UK during the BSE outbreak, a stone's throw away from the town's local cattle market. Suffice it to say, no offal will ever pass these lips.

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                The Black Hoof
                928 Dundas St W, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

                1. re: Arcadiaseeker

                  I get that you don't like offal, but why call it pretentious? For those of use who do like it, it's just plain good food.

          2. re: food face

            Food_face, is that a list of your likes or dislikes? I can't tell as some I've not eaten at, and others would be on my "no-eat" list.

            1. re: foodyDudey

              Food Dudey- It's my list of my likes your dislikes.

              I'm not going to get into debating the pretentiousness of Offal. There will never be an Mcoffal. Offal was a way for people to be resourceful when times are tough. Now it's for those that can afford to eat it out at a restaurant. Ghetto Fabulous.

              1. re: food face

                Heeeeeyyyyy, some of us actually LIKE kidney and liver. What? You've never heard of Irish people? This is no trend to me. Ghetto Fabulous, indeed. Sheesh.

                1. re: Googs

                  This talk of offal reminds me of what I'd tell my mother when she served a corned tonque, or some other offal dinner:

                  "I already have a tongue" or " I don't need another kidney, I still have two", or "I still have my brain". :-)

                  But actually everything she would serve would be very tasty, I just never took a liking to it.

                2. re: food face

                  right, because intestines and all those other innards cost an arm and a leg at chinese restaurants and shops.

                  1. re: pinstripeprincess

                    Is Black Hoof really even expensive?

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                    The Black Hoof
                    928 Dundas St W, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

                    1. re: jamesm

                      Mid price point. Two people with drinks can leave full for $100 including tax and tip.

                      1. re: JennaBean

                        Sorry, that was rhetorical. My point was that Black Hoof and Black Hoof Cafe are making some of the most interesting and tasty food in the city right now and calling it pretentious is a bit of a straw man. Some people can enjoy food on their own accord and not be victims of hype and a herd mentality.

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                        The Black Hoof
                        928 Dundas St W, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

                        1. re: jamesm

                          rhetorical or not, compared to a $6 family style plate at some of the little northern chinese restos by spadina it can be expensive. no it's not the same food nor necessarily the same time and effort, but if we're talking offal v offal...especially at the black hoof vs the cafe where starchy fillers aren't easy to come by in dishes or you have to pay for it separately. i've never left the black hoof full, more like not wanting to eat any more of what they have on offer.

                          also i see charcuterie as more trendy than offal... everyone now has a charcuterie plate but most euro-centric restaurants had things like sweetbreads on a regular basis as specials when they could get it in. and liver.... my god... that stuff is everywhere.

                      2. re: food face

                        Are you kidding? Who do you think buys all the chicken and calf liver at the local sobey's? Must be a hell of a lot of pretentious people out there, that being the case. I eat chicken livers weekly. I cook them myself and don't eat them with a chi-chi cocktail. I don't mind a healthy debate on subjectivity in food matters, but don't insult me because I'm not as squeamish as you. Hands off my innards!

                  2. re: scarberian

                    Oh yes, Hot House too. Don't get why it is bashed so much.

                    1. re: magic

                      It really is my most hated place in the city. I've been more than once (never my choice) and every time I leave feeling gross and wishing I would have skipped the meal and opted to have a drink only.

                      1. re: JennaBean

                        I dread when co-workers suggest Hot House as well. Their food is mediocre chain food, IMO. They used to have awesome nachos, which were worth the trip there, but they have had them off the menu for awhile.

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                        Hot House
                        35 Church Street, Toronto, ON M5E 1T3, CA

                        1. re: pescatarian

                          I don't get the hate on Hot House. Seems perfectly ok to me. The food isn't terrible nor inventive and I don't think it tries to be. It's tasty and solid, non-fancy, etc. There's certainly much worse places more deserving of the CH ire.

                          1. re: GoodGravy

                            Late time I was forced to eat there I had some sort of spiced chicken sandwich. The bread was stale, the lettuce on was dripping wet and the chicken was over cooked and dry. Over all terrible.

                            1. re: GoodGravy

                              When I think of Hot House, I think of bland and boring food. The people I know who usually recommend it, like bland and boring food. I know lots of people who love it, and it serves a purpose to many, but just not for me. Not sure if that makes it the subject of ire.

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                              Hot House
                              35 Church Street, Toronto, ON M5E 1T3, CA

                              1. re: pescatarian

                                That's fair enough. I think I just get angry thinking about places that do bland and boring food and yet still stay in business when so many better places have to shut there doors because they just can't make ends meet.

                                1. re: JennaBean

                                  I was actually responding to GoodGravy. Understand why you don't like it ;)

                                  1. re: pescatarian

                                    Depending on the restaurant and whether it's my first time there, I'll ask what the specials are, look at the menu to see if it's the same old tired stuff, then order something w/ ingredients I like and w/ the least chance of screwing it up. If they screw up the most basic dish, I don't go back. And if there's pizza and pad thai and a whole conglomeration of different ethnic foods on the menu (like Pickle Barrel), I try not to go there at all. The food I've had at Hot House wasn't bland, but again, not adventurous or layered or subtle or nuanced. It tasted like whatever was supposed to be in it.

                                    1. re: GoodGravy

                                      I think the point of this thread is that you like it and it's great, but a lot of us really don't. I don't find their food worth going back for personally, unless I'm with people who really want to go and there's no better alternative.

                                  2. re: JennaBean

                                    Agree completely - Hot House is typical of the "boil in the bag" type of places that you can spot a mile off. Is there some Greek mafia that churns out the ingredients in a factory in Markham ("mechanically separated chicken" - I used to work in a slaughterhouse and am horrified by the vile stuff that ends up on your plate) and supplies places like this, and all the Danforth joints too?

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                                    Hot House
                                    35 Church Street, Toronto, ON M5E 1T3, CA

                                    1. re: KitchenVoodoo

                                      Wow, so you mean they use the sous vide method? That's gourmet! See Hot House is good quality.

                              2. re: pescatarian

                                I miss their nachos so much, the only one I remember with bacon!

                            2. re: magic

                              I agree with magic and GoodGravy we just don't get the hate on Hot House and the comment on "a lot of us don't (like Hot House)". A lot of us like Hot House that's why it's always busy. Their food isn't inventive nor terrible, it's just tasty and I've never had a bad experience there. If you can eat at a good diner then you can eat at Hot House. I don't consider their food bland or boring, it's just done right comfort food. Mind you they can't do every dish right, but overall it's pretty solid.

                              1. re: scarberian

                                It's very odd, I've been many many times. The food GoodGravy and pescatarian describe don't sound close to resembling the kind of experiences I've had there. Hey, to each our own!

                                1. re: magic

                                  I guess that's the point, that there's places that some of us CH'ers will never agree about. And the point of this thread is that none of us have to defend our position.

                                  1. re: pescatarian

                                    HERE HERE! As self proclaimed foodies, we should be content with with our discerning tastes regardless of the general concensus. That's why this thread rocks.

                                    1. re: food face

                                      Finally! That's the point. Now the question become this: the restaurants that are generally loved by CHer's, are they really good or is it just a sheep/herd thing?

                                      For eg....

                                      1. re: Toronto Fastfoodie

                                        I say sheep/herd, although there are some other good ones that hit the nail on the head. I read more than post and maybe I should EAT more than post lol...

                              2. re: magic

                                Count me as someone who loves Hot House as well. And I like spicy food, but sometimes I just want a nice plate of pasta or a good brunch within walking distance from my house at a reasonable price.

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                                Hot House
                                35 Church Street, Toronto, ON M5E 1T3, CA

                            3. I'm a fan of New Ho King and Live, both of which get trashed on the boards.

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                              New Ho King
                              416 Spadina Ave, Toronto, ON M5T2G7, CA

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                              1. re: piccola

                                I am all for Smokes Poutinerie about twice a year. Good as it gets in Toronto.
                                BTW their Jarvis St location is a lot easier to park at and seems never crowded...mind you I don't go there at 2 am !
                                Still say for steak qua steak on a good night House of Chan is first-rate. And you haven't really lived until you've had your Amarone decanted in a juice jug !

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                                House of Chan
                                876 Eglinton Ave W, Toronto, ON M6C2B6, CA

                              2. Great topic, similar to two popular threads over on the General board:

                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/710806
                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/710833

                                Here's my list of restaurants I enjoy that snobs hate:

                                Ruth's Chris Steak House -- downtown
                                Canyon Creek Chophouse -- Scarborough
                                Chicago Pizza Kitchen -- Maple (Chicago deep dish pizza in general
                                )Ten-Ichi -- Scarborough (AYCE sushi in general)
                                Buster Rhino's -- Whitby (it has its share of haters)
                                Memphis BBQ -- Woodbridge (lots of haters for this one)
                                Camp 31 BBQ -- Paris and Ribfests
                                Ribfests in general
                                Big Boy's Burgers -- Pickering
                                Chipotle -- downtown

                                What I will say about Swiss Chalet: they used to be great. Fond memories of going there with my parents when I was a kid. Now, the sauce is thin, the chickens are tiny, the fries are limp and greasy, and the rolls feel like they came off the day-old rack at No Frills. Seems to me, once St-Hubert left Ontario they lost all incentive to "try harder" since they no longer had to compete. Other posters have said it's a very inconsistent chain, some locations better/worse than others. If SC ever returned to the way they were when I was in school, they join my list.

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                                Chicago Pizza Kitchen
                                2338 Major MacKenzie Dr, Maple, ON L6A3Y7, CA

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                                1. re: TexSquared

                                  They also changed the crust on the coconut cream pie. Last straw.

                                  1. re: TexSquared

                                    I'm not sure who hates Chicago Pizza Kitchen. I'm pretty sure it's gotten mostly love on this board. They turn out a very good product!

                                    And to Toronto Fastfoodie, I'm not sure anyone has ever said that there is anything special about Trio and C'est Bon. For me, at least, they are simply good neighbourhood options in a neighbourhood that has a LOT of uninspired Italian options and absolutely zero Chinese food options (though a new place just opened up that I need to try).

                                    Add me to the Chipotle lovers list.

                                    I also enjoy Milestone's when I go to the movies up at Empress Walk. Not everything is good, but there are a few items that I consider reliable and tasty.

                                    I don't get the love for Grazie (though perhaps that more from the general public than chowhounds). And I had a terrible meal at Segar, which has gotten some great reviews here.

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                                    C'est Bon
                                    2685 Yonge St, Toronto, ON M4N2H8, CA

                                    Grazie
                                    2373 Yonge St, Toronto, ON M4P2C8, CA

                                    Chicago Pizza Kitchen
                                    2338 Major MacKenzie Dr, Maple, ON L6A3Y7, CA

                                    Segar
                                    1568 Bayview Ave, Toronto, ON M4G, CA

                                    1. re: TexSquared

                                      Hey Tex.

                                      If you really like Memphis in the Bridge, maybe you could head up to Big Bone BBQ in Newmarket and do a comparison.
                                      The former Purple Pig guys work there. They are affiliated with Memphis but don't actually work there.

                                      CPK gets some bad pub but over all, it's well liked here.
                                      I agree that Swiss Chalet is a shadow of it's former self. I haven't been in years. This from someone who went often.

                                      Baton Rouge doesn't appeal to me. I think their ribs aren't all that great but people love them.

                                      I tend to agree with Jo. I like Milestones. The one in Newmarket turns out a consistently reliable, good meal. The last time I was there the bartender made me a fantastic Bombay martini.

                                      DT

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                                      Purple Pig
                                      1 Richmond St W, Toronto, ON M5H3W4, CA

                                      1. re: Davwud

                                        I never listed Baton Rouge. Actually, count me as one of the haters for that one!

                                        Thanks for the heads-up on Memphis. I haven't been back since Buster Rhino's opened in my backyard...

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                                        Buster Rhino's
                                        2001 Thickson Rd S, Whitby, ON L1N, CA

                                        1. re: TexSquared

                                          Did not mean to say that you did like BR

                                          I'm just responding to the OP

                                          DT

                                          1. re: Davwud

                                            Davwud,
                                            your reply re: BR (BR for Baton Rouge) reminded me that I like Baskin Robbins.
                                            I like Baskin Robbins' ice cream more than most of the ice cream and gelato served in the GTA.

                                              1. re: phoenikia

                                                Ha. Given that i just ate an entire pint of BR's chocolate chip ice cream for lunch, I may have to agree with you. But I still love Hollywood Gelato for the great textures and some of the flavours. I think I just put them in different categories.

                                                1. re: phoenikia

                                                  Me too! Favourite flavour peanut butter & chocolate.

                                          2. re: TexSquared

                                            Hey Tex.

                                            If you like Memphis maybe you can give Big Bone BBQ in Newmarket a try and compare. They guys who started Memphis are now at Big Bone (and are mostly divested of Memphis).
                                            http://www.bigbonebbq.ca/

                                            I don't see all the love for Panago. I think it's good but not great. It's fast food pizza. A bit better but not great.

                                            Also don't get Baton Rouge. Their ribs get a lot of love but they simply aren't nearly as good as what I'm looking for.

                                            I agree with Jo about Milestones. The one in Newmarket I can count on for a good meal and the bartender the last time I was there made a fantastic Bombay martini for me.

                                            DT

                                            1. re: Davwud

                                              Panago- it is good, fast food, pizza. I would not compare it to Liberetto but when you want takeout pizza with the kids, its great!

                                              I also like Milestones...and the ribs at Baton Rouge. But the one at North York, not the Eaton Centre.

                                              1. re: Toronto Fastfoodie

                                                Panago is my go-to delivery pizza. It's not amazing pizza by any stretch of the imagination, but when you're faced with the other fast options: Pizza Pizza, Pizza Hut, Pizza Nova and Pizzaiola, it's by far the best.

                                                1. re: stet

                                                  I agree with that but sometimes it sounds like people think it's the new paradigm for pizza

                                                  DT

                                            2. re: TexSquared

                                              You forgot Krispy Kreme and Wegman's.

                                              1. re: Dimbulb

                                                Yes, I'll repeat it until I'm blue in the face. Krispy Kreme doughnuts > Tim Horton's donuts. Count me as a Timmies hater.

                                                1. re: TexSquared

                                                  I'm a foreigner from down south so it boggles my mind that people think Tim Hortons coffee and donuts are good. The only thing the coffee's good for is staining your teeth and the donuts are meh.

                                                  To add to the list, I tried the veal sandwich downstairs in SLM. I don't see why people recommend that place. It made me regret choosing it over getting some pork adobo at the store in my office's lobby.

                                                  1. re: GoodGravy

                                                    As many of the regulars here know, I'm married to a Southerner (so is Davwud actually). The first time she brought me to a Krispy Kreme in the south I was blown away. Hot Original Glazed, fresh out of the fryer. Wow. The first time I took her to a Tim Horton's (out of necessity, it was 2AM and we were hungry) she said "what's this garbage?"

                                                    As for the veal sandwich at SLM (that would be Mustachio's), that place has been universally panned on this board. I agree, it sucks. Those out here in Durham Region recommend Bellagio's in Pickering for veal sandwiches, theirs are delicious. If you're ever out this way, it's at Whites and Kingston. Just north of the 401.

                                                    1. re: TexSquared

                                                      TexSquared, have you tried Sinatras in Oshawa? Just wondering your opinion of their veal sammy.....

                                                      1. re: Dr Butcher

                                                        Thanks, next time I'm in Oshawa (which isn't often) I'll keep that in mind. I live in Pickering and can WALK to Bellagio's.... so convenient for me....

                                                        1. re: TexSquared

                                                          How about the veal sammy at Lamana's in the plaza beside the Esso station at Port Union and Kingston Rd.?

                                                        2. re: Dr Butcher

                                                          used to eat the breaded chicken sandwich at Sinatra's all the time, on par with the original California sandwiches location except that I think the tomato sauce wins out at California but still very good for Oshawa given your choices in the area

                                                          1. re: Dr Butcher

                                                            I went to Sinatra's in Pickering today (Clements at Squires Beach, in the industrial park) and I was impressed with their Rat Pack sandwich (veal, eggplant, provolone).... Wow... Bellagio's just lost a regular! Sinatra's charges about the same but gives you a sandwich twice as big...

                                                      2. re: TexSquared

                                                        For those of you who love Krispy Kreme like me the original Toronto location at Mavis Rd/Britannia is unbelievably still open and churning out fresh donuts!

                                                        Go!!!!

                                                        1. re: magic

                                                          I agree, it's amazing that one location survives. I missed having the location in Scarborough I could get to easily (now it's a Swiss Chalet). KK took a beating they may never recover from by stupidly expanding during the Atkins craze. They don't have any locations in upstate NY either; all 3 locations in Buffalo are gone.

                                                        2. re: TexSquared

                                                          Do people really like TH donuts more than KK? I mean besides some nationalistic thing...which is silly cause they're owned by Wendy's.

                                                          1. re: AngelSanctuary

                                                            My point exactly. Side by side taste test of a KK Hot Original Glazed vs its TH counterpart the Honey Dip. No contest.

                                                            You can read what I think of them in this old thread:

                                                            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/4962...

                                                            Read the posts below that one for more deserved hatred of TH.

                                                            1. re: TexSquared

                                                              Completely agree.

                                                              However I'll take the rest of the TH line up over that of KK.
                                                              There's just no beating the KK Original Cream.

                                                              DT

                                                            2. re: AngelSanctuary

                                                              Not to prick your bubble, but Wendy's sold all of their TH shares back in 2006. With the usual corporate brilliance, Wendy's sold at pretty much the bottom (~$25/share); Timmy's now trades about $33/share. Major holders are institutions and mutual funds.

                                                              1. re: AngelSanctuary

                                                                I tried KK donuts. Once. After the sugar shakes subsided I vowed 'never again'.

                                                                TH may not exactly be healthy, but at least they don't induce an overdose reaction.

                                                                1. re: Googs

                                                                  You need a certain amount of ballast to handle a KK donut. Thus the heightened popularity to our southern neighbours who are offered KFC products that we aren't.

                                                                  As an aside, never quite understood why Eddie Shack Donuts didn't take off with the same alacrity as TH. Much better hockey player.

                                                                  1. re: Snarf

                                                                    Did Eddie try to sell the coffee with his Christmas trees?

                                                                  2. re: Googs

                                                                    That was my experience. Soooooooooooooooooo sweet. Arg . . .

                                                                    All you could taste was sugar. Now, I don't really like TH either. If I have a doughnut from them it is an UN-glaze sourcream.

                                                                  3. re: AngelSanctuary

                                                                    Tim Horton's is not owned by Wendy's.

                                                                    1. re: JamieK

                                                                      It's true.

                                                                      From TH's website.

                                                                      *Tim Hortons is no longer owned by Wendy's and is a stand-alone public company trading on the Toronto Stock Exchange and the New York Stock Exchange. Tim Hortons corporate head office is in Oakville, Ontario, Canada.

                                                                      also, see

                                                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hort...

                                                              2. re: TexSquared

                                                                That is true about Swiss Chalet. I have found that the one on Hespler (?) in Cambridge is quite consistent the number of times I've been there in terms of good quality. They usually give generous portions and the fries are not greasy.

                                                                I second Ten Ichi. Excellent place to just eat pseudo Japanese food with some buddies.

                                                                As for all this talk about offal all I can say is ...mmmmmm..... tripe..... and sweetbread cooked at Susur's was out of this world. All offal haters out there, get your game on and just try some chicken hearts and livers in a nice stew or simple calve's liver cooked in butter and onions.

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                                                                Susur
                                                                601 King St W, Toronto, ON M5V1M5, CA

                                                                1. re: TexSquared

                                                                  Buster Rhinos I would argue is an absolute Chowhound darling.

                                                                  Well deserved too I'd add.

                                                                  1. re: TexSquared

                                                                    I get Swiss Chalet pretty often but I think its the location that is good or bad not the chain in general, when I lived in brampton on location was always great and the one closer to home was alwat mediocre. I've noticed the same in mississauga too.

                                                                    1. re: jiminy

                                                                      I agree. Its location, location, location. There is a Swiss Chalet/Harvey's express outlet near my house that is total crap. The fries are not the delicious Chalet fries (my opinion so don't try to dissuade me) but the crappy Harvey's fries. Whereas the location at Bayview & Cummer makes a Festive Special I can't resist.

                                                                      http://runningandrecipes.blogspot.com/

                                                                      1. re: Toronto Fastfoodie

                                                                        how are the downtown ones?
                                                                        I actually ahve $100 in gc for swiss chalet. Also valid for Harveys, Kelseys, and Milestones - SC seems like my best bang for my "buck"

                                                                        Erin
                                                                        http://www.cookiesandtomatoes.com

                                                                        1. re: ekim256

                                                                          Kelsey's definitely ain't. That place has gone downhill in both quality and menu choices. I used to go there for the sake of an easy meeting place with by bff. Now I wouldn't go there if Johnny Depp asked me.

                                                                          1. re: Googs

                                                                            Would you go there if the Beeb asked you?

                                                                            1. re: Googs

                                                                              for the record, I would go to Kelsey's if Johnny Depp asked me nicely, and I am willing to bet Mrs. Shekamoo wouldn't really mind me going either..

                                                                    2. Am so glad that there are more out there that feel like me.
                                                                      Thanks for reminding about the Chalet. Love it. But just the chicken and fries. And what awesome chicken and fries they are. What I love about it is it really is fresh rotisserie chicken. All day long! I have to admit, the first "festive special" commercial of the season? My heart beats a little faster.

                                                                      Also love Centre St. Deli--especially for the sandwiches and mohn cookies.

                                                                      Adding two more "likes" to the list: Bistro on Ave. and Duffs, both for a great wing fix. And Bistro also makes a mean pub house salad.

                                                                      I know that none of these places are fancy or gourmet, but good tasting food is just simply good tasting food (hence my chow name)

                                                                      PS . Dutch Dreams? Why do you people love this place? Are you sure they really make their own ice cream? I've been there a couple times and do not see how it can even compete with Greg's, La Paloma, or Hollywood Gelato.

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                                                                      Dutch Dreams
                                                                      78 Vaughan Rd, Toronto, ON M6C2L7, CA

                                                                      La Paloma
                                                                      1 Bass Pro Mills Dr, Thornhill, ON L4K5W4, CA

                                                                      4 Replies
                                                                      1. re: Toronto Fastfoodie

                                                                        O come on, Toronto Fastfoodie - I am not sure Dutch Dreams make their own ice cream, either. But the adornments to cones and shakes alike, the kitschy nature, the tribal rites of lining up , the smell of the waffle press....should warm even the stoniest heart. The point is they are not in competition with the too cool vibe of Paloma and the other parlours you mentioned. (BTW I often think some of Greg's flavours would be enhanced by a contrasting element in the mix, but that is another topic.)

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                                                                        Dutch Dreams
                                                                        78 Vaughan Rd, Toronto, ON M6C2L7, CA

                                                                        1. re: Bigtigger

                                                                          I just don't like that they don't know they don't serve real whipped cream. Maybe they do now, but they didn't some years ago, resulting in my having an enormous blob of hydrogenated oil product on top of my sundae. Yuck!

                                                                        2. re: Toronto Fastfoodie

                                                                          I'm with everybody on Swiss Chalet chicken, but one piece isn't enough these days, given the apparent shrinking of the birds they roast. I do recall one time eating at Square restaurant, which used to be on Mt. Pleasant, and the two fellows next to me (who considered themselves foodies) spent a considerable amount of their dinner conversation on how it is simply not possible for anyone with taste to eat at Swiss Chalet. Too funny.

                                                                          I am also a Keg fan. Not all the side dishes, though. But the prime rib, steaks, lobster, etc. I like the atmosphere, too, and the general good service. And Milestones in the same way.

                                                                          1. re: Full tummy

                                                                            LOVE the Keg! But like mcds vs. Bymark for burgers, or Liberetto vs. Panago for pizza, Keg is great for a steak dinner with the teenagers & Chan is good for steak dinner with grown ups.

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                                                                            Bymark
                                                                            66 Wellington St. W, Toronto, ON M5K 1J3, CA