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t
Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 7, 2010 06:59 PM

So lately I am not feeling the love from my fellow Ontario Chowhounders. It seems that every restaurant I love, you hate. And vice versa

Some of my favorites (aka your least favorites) include:
Sotto sotto
Terroni (balmoral)
Chippys
and
House of Chan.

on the other hand...I really didn't see what was so special about Trio on Yonge St., Craft Burger, or C'est Bon chinese--all three of which get mostly favorable reviews from y'all.

So is it just me? Do others out there agree with me? What restaurants do you love that we have (and vice versa). C'mon, don't be shy...

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C'est Bon
2685 Yonge St, Toronto, ON M4N2H8, CA

House of Chan
876 Eglinton Ave W, Toronto, ON M6C2B6, CA

Big Smoke Burger
573 King St W, Toronto, ON M5V1M1, CA

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    magic Jun 7, 2010 07:59 PM

    I definitely agree about Sotto Sotto and House of Chan. CHers definitely have no love for Sotto Sotto. I've tried to talk it up a bunch of times only to be beaten down quick. I don't know, the 3 times I've been it was fabulous.

    And House of Chan.... well..... as far as I'm concerned it's an institution for a reason. I honestly haven't been in years but I have wonderful memories. And apparently they now bring in Key Lime pie from Joe's Stone Crabs. Yup, I think I might just have to make a long overdue visit to House of Chan.

    I’ll add Ferraro to your list. I love it. Most people don't.

    I'll also add Centre St. Deli, Golden Star, Sushi on Bloor, and Swiss Chalet. Love all. All 4 get plenty of beatdowns.

    On the reverse, I'll name Le Paradis. Loved it growing up. Now I won't go. The incredibly rude service and increasingly mediocre food.... buh. CHers still love tho it generally speaking. I'll takes Jacque's.

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    1. re: magic
      a
      Arcadiaseeker Jun 8, 2010 09:58 AM

      I so agree about Centre St Deli - we had a feast there on the weekend and I adore their smoked meat.

      On the reverse side for me, I really didn't like Maroli or Tacos El Asador, both on Bloor and both big CH faves. Maroli in particular was disappointing -- we ordered once and thought it was way too sweet and kind of gross overall.

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      Tacos El Asador
      690 Bloor St W, Toronto, ON M6G1L2, CA

      Maroli
      630 Bloor St W, Toronto, ON M6G1K7, CA

      Centre St Deli
      647 Centre, Mount Albert, ON L0G, CA

    2. scarberian Jun 7, 2010 08:15 PM

      As many have mentioned before all these reviews are still more or less a matter of personal taste. Yes there are the definite STAY AWAY restos out there that 99.9999 % of CHers will warn others about and the GO TO place that again 99.9999% will agree upon. However there are those restos that are 30/70 love/hate or even 50/50 that are all based on a matter of opinion.

      I like (and not ashamed):

      Baton Rouge
      Swiss Chalet
      Hot House Cafe
      Pickle Barrel

      38 Replies
      1. re: scarberian
        food face Jun 7, 2010 08:29 PM

        Toronto Fastfoodie...creative post. Nice! Here's some of mine:

        Swiss Chalet
        Smokes Poutinerie
        Cafe Dipamatico (for pasta)
        Red Lobster
        Pannago
        Lahore Tikka House

        1. re: food face
          t
          Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 8, 2010 04:24 AM

          LOVE Panago! I love how I can go with my family of four (diverse tastes) and we all can get our own little pizzas.
          And Cafe Diplomatico is always amazing... whether for brunch or late night drinks (some of the strongest in the city... certainly not shy with the booze.

          And do that many people really like offal? I keep wanting to go to Black Hoof because of all of the recs on this site, but everytime I look at the menu, I just chicken out. Are there that many people out there that like so many unusual kinds of meat?

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          Cafe Diplomatico
          594 College St, Toronto, ON M6G 1B3, CA

          The Black Hoof
          928 Dundas St W, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

          1. re: Toronto Fastfoodie
            food face Jun 8, 2010 05:04 AM

            Offal in general- stuff you love, I hate! Great ethical concept but so G-D pretentious! Horse intestines- no thanks.

            1. re: food face
              pinstripeprincess Jun 8, 2010 05:37 AM

              alert the peasants! they're being pretentious!

              anything can have the air of pretentiousness, just look at the pizza and burger scene. people have been eating offal for a very long time, mostly started out of necessity, but now it's understood how best to cook it and bring out great flavour so others love it. i certainly prize the flavours and texture over a chicken breast any day. if there was a mc'offal and it was done reasonably well, i'd be all over it.

              1. re: pinstripeprincess
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                Arcadiaseeker Jun 8, 2010 09:53 AM

                I can't do offal and hence can't go to Black Hoof. I lived in the UK during the BSE outbreak, a stone's throw away from the town's local cattle market. Suffice it to say, no offal will ever pass these lips.

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                The Black Hoof
                928 Dundas St W, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

                1. re: Arcadiaseeker
                  m
                  myriam5555 Apr 10, 2011 04:40 PM

                  I get that you don't like offal, but why call it pretentious? For those of use who do like it, it's just plain good food.

          2. re: food face
            foodyDudey Jun 8, 2010 06:00 AM

            Food_face, is that a list of your likes or dislikes? I can't tell as some I've not eaten at, and others would be on my "no-eat" list.

            1. re: foodyDudey
              food face Jun 8, 2010 06:31 AM

              Food Dudey- It's my list of my likes your dislikes.

              I'm not going to get into debating the pretentiousness of Offal. There will never be an Mcoffal. Offal was a way for people to be resourceful when times are tough. Now it's for those that can afford to eat it out at a restaurant. Ghetto Fabulous.

              1. re: food face
                Googs Jun 8, 2010 06:49 AM

                Heeeeeyyyyy, some of us actually LIKE kidney and liver. What? You've never heard of Irish people? This is no trend to me. Ghetto Fabulous, indeed. Sheesh.

                1. re: Googs
                  foodyDudey Jun 8, 2010 07:36 AM

                  This talk of offal reminds me of what I'd tell my mother when she served a corned tonque, or some other offal dinner:

                  "I already have a tongue" or " I don't need another kidney, I still have two", or "I still have my brain". :-)

                  But actually everything she would serve would be very tasty, I just never took a liking to it.

                2. re: food face
                  pinstripeprincess Jun 8, 2010 06:51 AM

                  right, because intestines and all those other innards cost an arm and a leg at chinese restaurants and shops.

                  1. re: pinstripeprincess
                    j
                    jamesm Jun 8, 2010 07:11 AM

                    Is Black Hoof really even expensive?

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                    The Black Hoof
                    928 Dundas St W, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

                    1. re: jamesm
                      j
                      JennaBean Jun 8, 2010 07:14 AM

                      Mid price point. Two people with drinks can leave full for $100 including tax and tip.

                      1. re: JennaBean
                        j
                        jamesm Jun 8, 2010 07:18 AM

                        Sorry, that was rhetorical. My point was that Black Hoof and Black Hoof Cafe are making some of the most interesting and tasty food in the city right now and calling it pretentious is a bit of a straw man. Some people can enjoy food on their own accord and not be victims of hype and a herd mentality.

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                        The Black Hoof
                        928 Dundas St W, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

                        1. re: JennaBean
                          estufarian Jun 8, 2010 07:20 AM

                          But it always costs me $80 pp!

                          1. re: estufarian
                            haggisdragon Jun 8, 2010 08:06 AM

                            +1

                        2. re: jamesm
                          pinstripeprincess Jun 8, 2010 07:37 AM

                          rhetorical or not, compared to a $6 family style plate at some of the little northern chinese restos by spadina it can be expensive. no it's not the same food nor necessarily the same time and effort, but if we're talking offal v offal...especially at the black hoof vs the cafe where starchy fillers aren't easy to come by in dishes or you have to pay for it separately. i've never left the black hoof full, more like not wanting to eat any more of what they have on offer.

                          also i see charcuterie as more trendy than offal... everyone now has a charcuterie plate but most euro-centric restaurants had things like sweetbreads on a regular basis as specials when they could get it in. and liver.... my god... that stuff is everywhere.

                      2. re: food face
                        munchieHK Jun 8, 2010 08:32 AM

                        Are you kidding? Who do you think buys all the chicken and calf liver at the local sobey's? Must be a hell of a lot of pretentious people out there, that being the case. I eat chicken livers weekly. I cook them myself and don't eat them with a chi-chi cocktail. I don't mind a healthy debate on subjectivity in food matters, but don't insult me because I'm not as squeamish as you. Hands off my innards!

                  2. re: scarberian
                    m
                    magic Jun 8, 2010 04:18 PM

                    Oh yes, Hot House too. Don't get why it is bashed so much.

                    1. re: magic
                      j
                      JennaBean Jun 9, 2010 07:28 AM

                      It really is my most hated place in the city. I've been more than once (never my choice) and every time I leave feeling gross and wishing I would have skipped the meal and opted to have a drink only.

                      1. re: JennaBean
                        pescatarian Jun 9, 2010 08:12 AM

                        I dread when co-workers suggest Hot House as well. Their food is mediocre chain food, IMO. They used to have awesome nachos, which were worth the trip there, but they have had them off the menu for awhile.

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                        Hot House
                        35 Church Street, Toronto, ON M5E 1T3, CA

                        1. re: pescatarian
                          GoodGravy Jun 9, 2010 09:14 AM

                          I don't get the hate on Hot House. Seems perfectly ok to me. The food isn't terrible nor inventive and I don't think it tries to be. It's tasty and solid, non-fancy, etc. There's certainly much worse places more deserving of the CH ire.

                          1. re: GoodGravy
                            j
                            JennaBean Jun 9, 2010 09:33 AM

                            Late time I was forced to eat there I had some sort of spiced chicken sandwich. The bread was stale, the lettuce on was dripping wet and the chicken was over cooked and dry. Over all terrible.

                            1. re: GoodGravy
                              pescatarian Jun 9, 2010 09:42 AM

                              When I think of Hot House, I think of bland and boring food. The people I know who usually recommend it, like bland and boring food. I know lots of people who love it, and it serves a purpose to many, but just not for me. Not sure if that makes it the subject of ire.

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                              Hot House
                              35 Church Street, Toronto, ON M5E 1T3, CA

                              1. re: pescatarian
                                j
                                JennaBean Jun 9, 2010 10:13 AM

                                That's fair enough. I think I just get angry thinking about places that do bland and boring food and yet still stay in business when so many better places have to shut there doors because they just can't make ends meet.

                                1. re: JennaBean
                                  pescatarian Jun 9, 2010 10:20 AM

                                  I was actually responding to GoodGravy. Understand why you don't like it ;)

                                  1. re: pescatarian
                                    GoodGravy Jun 9, 2010 10:43 AM

                                    Depending on the restaurant and whether it's my first time there, I'll ask what the specials are, look at the menu to see if it's the same old tired stuff, then order something w/ ingredients I like and w/ the least chance of screwing it up. If they screw up the most basic dish, I don't go back. And if there's pizza and pad thai and a whole conglomeration of different ethnic foods on the menu (like Pickle Barrel), I try not to go there at all. The food I've had at Hot House wasn't bland, but again, not adventurous or layered or subtle or nuanced. It tasted like whatever was supposed to be in it.

                                    1. re: GoodGravy
                                      pescatarian Jun 9, 2010 11:22 AM

                                      I think the point of this thread is that you like it and it's great, but a lot of us really don't. I don't find their food worth going back for personally, unless I'm with people who really want to go and there's no better alternative.

                                  2. re: JennaBean
                                    k
                                    KitchenVoodoo Jun 19, 2010 08:00 PM

                                    Agree completely - Hot House is typical of the "boil in the bag" type of places that you can spot a mile off. Is there some Greek mafia that churns out the ingredients in a factory in Markham ("mechanically separated chicken" - I used to work in a slaughterhouse and am horrified by the vile stuff that ends up on your plate) and supplies places like this, and all the Danforth joints too?

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                                    Hot House
                                    35 Church Street, Toronto, ON M5E 1T3, CA

                                    1. re: KitchenVoodoo
                                      scarberian Jun 20, 2010 05:34 AM

                                      Wow, so you mean they use the sous vide method? That's gourmet! See Hot House is good quality.

                              2. re: pescatarian
                                c
                                callitasicit Apr 10, 2011 05:44 PM

                                I miss their nachos so much, the only one I remember with bacon!

                            2. re: magic
                              scarberian Jun 9, 2010 05:15 PM

                              I agree with magic and GoodGravy we just don't get the hate on Hot House and the comment on "a lot of us don't (like Hot House)". A lot of us like Hot House that's why it's always busy. Their food isn't inventive nor terrible, it's just tasty and I've never had a bad experience there. If you can eat at a good diner then you can eat at Hot House. I don't consider their food bland or boring, it's just done right comfort food. Mind you they can't do every dish right, but overall it's pretty solid.

                              1. re: scarberian
                                m
                                magic Jun 9, 2010 07:09 PM

                                It's very odd, I've been many many times. The food GoodGravy and pescatarian describe don't sound close to resembling the kind of experiences I've had there. Hey, to each our own!

                                1. re: magic
                                  pescatarian Jun 9, 2010 08:04 PM

                                  I guess that's the point, that there's places that some of us CH'ers will never agree about. And the point of this thread is that none of us have to defend our position.

                                  1. re: pescatarian
                                    food face Jun 10, 2010 03:14 AM

                                    HERE HERE! As self proclaimed foodies, we should be content with with our discerning tastes regardless of the general concensus. That's why this thread rocks.

                                    1. re: food face
                                      t
                                      Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 10, 2010 04:28 AM

                                      Finally! That's the point. Now the question become this: the restaurants that are generally loved by CHer's, are they really good or is it just a sheep/herd thing?

                                      For eg....

                                      1. re: Toronto Fastfoodie
                                        MeXx Jun 13, 2010 01:55 PM

                                        I say sheep/herd, although there are some other good ones that hit the nail on the head. I read more than post and maybe I should EAT more than post lol...

                              2. re: magic
                                j
                                jaedalaurez Jun 11, 2010 05:32 PM

                                Count me as someone who loves Hot House as well. And I like spicy food, but sometimes I just want a nice plate of pasta or a good brunch within walking distance from my house at a reasonable price.

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                                Hot House
                                35 Church Street, Toronto, ON M5E 1T3, CA

                            3. p
                              piccola Jun 7, 2010 09:34 PM

                              I'm a fan of New Ho King and Live, both of which get trashed on the boards.

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                              New Ho King
                              416 Spadina Ave, Toronto, ON M5T2G7, CA

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                              1. re: piccola
                                b
                                Bigtigger Jun 7, 2010 10:23 PM

                                I am all for Smokes Poutinerie about twice a year. Good as it gets in Toronto.
                                BTW their Jarvis St location is a lot easier to park at and seems never crowded...mind you I don't go there at 2 am !
                                Still say for steak qua steak on a good night House of Chan is first-rate. And you haven't really lived until you've had your Amarone decanted in a juice jug !

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                                House of Chan
                                876 Eglinton Ave W, Toronto, ON M6C2B6, CA

                              2. t
                                TexSquared Jun 7, 2010 10:24 PM

                                Great topic, similar to two popular threads over on the General board:

                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/710806
                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/710833

                                Here's my list of restaurants I enjoy that snobs hate:

                                Ruth's Chris Steak House -- downtown
                                Canyon Creek Chophouse -- Scarborough
                                Chicago Pizza Kitchen -- Maple (Chicago deep dish pizza in general
                                )Ten-Ichi -- Scarborough (AYCE sushi in general)
                                Buster Rhino's -- Whitby (it has its share of haters)
                                Memphis BBQ -- Woodbridge (lots of haters for this one)
                                Camp 31 BBQ -- Paris and Ribfests
                                Ribfests in general
                                Big Boy's Burgers -- Pickering
                                Chipotle -- downtown

                                What I will say about Swiss Chalet: they used to be great. Fond memories of going there with my parents when I was a kid. Now, the sauce is thin, the chickens are tiny, the fries are limp and greasy, and the rolls feel like they came off the day-old rack at No Frills. Seems to me, once St-Hubert left Ontario they lost all incentive to "try harder" since they no longer had to compete. Other posters have said it's a very inconsistent chain, some locations better/worse than others. If SC ever returned to the way they were when I was in school, they join my list.

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                                Chicago Pizza Kitchen
                                2338 Major MacKenzie Dr, Maple, ON L6A3Y7, CA

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                                1. re: TexSquared
                                  Notorious P.I.G. Jun 7, 2010 11:39 PM

                                  They also changed the crust on the coconut cream pie. Last straw.

                                  1. re: TexSquared
                                    TorontoJo Jun 8, 2010 04:28 AM

                                    I'm not sure who hates Chicago Pizza Kitchen. I'm pretty sure it's gotten mostly love on this board. They turn out a very good product!

                                    And to Toronto Fastfoodie, I'm not sure anyone has ever said that there is anything special about Trio and C'est Bon. For me, at least, they are simply good neighbourhood options in a neighbourhood that has a LOT of uninspired Italian options and absolutely zero Chinese food options (though a new place just opened up that I need to try).

                                    Add me to the Chipotle lovers list.

                                    I also enjoy Milestone's when I go to the movies up at Empress Walk. Not everything is good, but there are a few items that I consider reliable and tasty.

                                    I don't get the love for Grazie (though perhaps that more from the general public than chowhounds). And I had a terrible meal at Segar, which has gotten some great reviews here.

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                                    C'est Bon
                                    2685 Yonge St, Toronto, ON M4N2H8, CA

                                    Grazie
                                    2373 Yonge St, Toronto, ON M4P2C8, CA

                                    Chicago Pizza Kitchen
                                    2338 Major MacKenzie Dr, Maple, ON L6A3Y7, CA

                                    Segar
                                    1568 Bayview Ave, Toronto, ON M4G, CA

                                    1. re: TexSquared
                                      Davwud Jun 8, 2010 05:20 AM

                                      Hey Tex.

                                      If you really like Memphis in the Bridge, maybe you could head up to Big Bone BBQ in Newmarket and do a comparison.
                                      The former Purple Pig guys work there. They are affiliated with Memphis but don't actually work there.

                                      CPK gets some bad pub but over all, it's well liked here.
                                      I agree that Swiss Chalet is a shadow of it's former self. I haven't been in years. This from someone who went often.

                                      Baton Rouge doesn't appeal to me. I think their ribs aren't all that great but people love them.

                                      I tend to agree with Jo. I like Milestones. The one in Newmarket turns out a consistently reliable, good meal. The last time I was there the bartender made me a fantastic Bombay martini.

                                      DT

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                                      Purple Pig
                                      1 Richmond St W, Toronto, ON M5H3W4, CA

                                      1. re: Davwud
                                        t
                                        TexSquared Jun 8, 2010 06:35 AM

                                        I never listed Baton Rouge. Actually, count me as one of the haters for that one!

                                        Thanks for the heads-up on Memphis. I haven't been back since Buster Rhino's opened in my backyard...

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                                        Buster Rhino's
                                        2001 Thickson Rd S, Whitby, ON L1N, CA

                                        1. re: TexSquared
                                          Davwud Jun 8, 2010 09:41 AM

                                          Did not mean to say that you did like BR

                                          I'm just responding to the OP

                                          DT

                                          1. re: Davwud
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                                            phoenikia Jun 8, 2010 10:02 AM

                                            Davwud,
                                            your reply re: BR (BR for Baton Rouge) reminded me that I like Baskin Robbins.
                                            I like Baskin Robbins' ice cream more than most of the ice cream and gelato served in the GTA.

                                            1. re: phoenikia
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                                              Arcadiaseeker Jun 8, 2010 10:09 AM

                                              I agree -- love BR ice cream.

                                              1. re: phoenikia
                                                TorontoJo Jun 8, 2010 10:23 AM

                                                Ha. Given that i just ate an entire pint of BR's chocolate chip ice cream for lunch, I may have to agree with you. But I still love Hollywood Gelato for the great textures and some of the flavours. I think I just put them in different categories.

                                                1. re: phoenikia
                                                  Full tummy Jun 8, 2010 10:53 AM

                                                  Me too! Favourite flavour peanut butter & chocolate.

                                          2. re: TexSquared
                                            Davwud Jun 8, 2010 05:24 AM

                                            Hey Tex.

                                            If you like Memphis maybe you can give Big Bone BBQ in Newmarket a try and compare. They guys who started Memphis are now at Big Bone (and are mostly divested of Memphis).
                                            http://www.bigbonebbq.ca/

                                            I don't see all the love for Panago. I think it's good but not great. It's fast food pizza. A bit better but not great.

                                            Also don't get Baton Rouge. Their ribs get a lot of love but they simply aren't nearly as good as what I'm looking for.

                                            I agree with Jo about Milestones. The one in Newmarket I can count on for a good meal and the bartender the last time I was there made a fantastic Bombay martini for me.

                                            DT

                                            1. re: Davwud
                                              t
                                              Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 8, 2010 06:03 AM

                                              Panago- it is good, fast food, pizza. I would not compare it to Liberetto but when you want takeout pizza with the kids, its great!

                                              I also like Milestones...and the ribs at Baton Rouge. But the one at North York, not the Eaton Centre.

                                              1. re: Toronto Fastfoodie
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                                                stet Jun 8, 2010 07:22 AM

                                                Panago is my go-to delivery pizza. It's not amazing pizza by any stretch of the imagination, but when you're faced with the other fast options: Pizza Pizza, Pizza Hut, Pizza Nova and Pizzaiola, it's by far the best.

                                                1. re: stet
                                                  Davwud Jun 8, 2010 09:39 AM

                                                  I agree with that but sometimes it sounds like people think it's the new paradigm for pizza

                                                  DT

                                            2. re: TexSquared
                                              Dimbulb Jun 8, 2010 05:24 AM

                                              You forgot Krispy Kreme and Wegman's.

                                              1. re: Dimbulb
                                                t
                                                TexSquared Jun 8, 2010 06:37 AM

                                                Yes, I'll repeat it until I'm blue in the face. Krispy Kreme doughnuts > Tim Horton's donuts. Count me as a Timmies hater.

                                                1. re: TexSquared
                                                  GoodGravy Jun 8, 2010 10:35 AM

                                                  I'm a foreigner from down south so it boggles my mind that people think Tim Hortons coffee and donuts are good. The only thing the coffee's good for is staining your teeth and the donuts are meh.

                                                  To add to the list, I tried the veal sandwich downstairs in SLM. I don't see why people recommend that place. It made me regret choosing it over getting some pork adobo at the store in my office's lobby.

                                                  1. re: GoodGravy
                                                    t
                                                    TexSquared Jun 8, 2010 08:26 PM

                                                    As many of the regulars here know, I'm married to a Southerner (so is Davwud actually). The first time she brought me to a Krispy Kreme in the south I was blown away. Hot Original Glazed, fresh out of the fryer. Wow. The first time I took her to a Tim Horton's (out of necessity, it was 2AM and we were hungry) she said "what's this garbage?"

                                                    As for the veal sandwich at SLM (that would be Mustachio's), that place has been universally panned on this board. I agree, it sucks. Those out here in Durham Region recommend Bellagio's in Pickering for veal sandwiches, theirs are delicious. If you're ever out this way, it's at Whites and Kingston. Just north of the 401.

                                                    1. re: TexSquared
                                                      Dr Butcher Jun 9, 2010 05:32 PM

                                                      TexSquared, have you tried Sinatras in Oshawa? Just wondering your opinion of their veal sammy.....

                                                      1. re: Dr Butcher
                                                        t
                                                        TexSquared Jun 9, 2010 05:48 PM

                                                        Thanks, next time I'm in Oshawa (which isn't often) I'll keep that in mind. I live in Pickering and can WALK to Bellagio's.... so convenient for me....

                                                        1. re: TexSquared
                                                          scarberian Jun 9, 2010 09:54 PM

                                                          How about the veal sammy at Lamana's in the plaza beside the Esso station at Port Union and Kingston Rd.?

                                                        2. re: Dr Butcher
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                                                          xiolablue Jun 10, 2010 08:07 AM

                                                          used to eat the breaded chicken sandwich at Sinatra's all the time, on par with the original California sandwiches location except that I think the tomato sauce wins out at California but still very good for Oshawa given your choices in the area

                                                          1. re: Dr Butcher
                                                            t
                                                            TexSquared Dec 4, 2010 01:46 PM

                                                            I went to Sinatra's in Pickering today (Clements at Squires Beach, in the industrial park) and I was impressed with their Rat Pack sandwich (veal, eggplant, provolone).... Wow... Bellagio's just lost a regular! Sinatra's charges about the same but gives you a sandwich twice as big...

                                                      2. re: TexSquared
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                                                        magic Jun 8, 2010 06:06 PM

                                                        For those of you who love Krispy Kreme like me the original Toronto location at Mavis Rd/Britannia is unbelievably still open and churning out fresh donuts!

                                                        Go!!!!

                                                        1. re: magic
                                                          t
                                                          TexSquared Jun 8, 2010 08:28 PM

                                                          I agree, it's amazing that one location survives. I missed having the location in Scarborough I could get to easily (now it's a Swiss Chalet). KK took a beating they may never recover from by stupidly expanding during the Atkins craze. They don't have any locations in upstate NY either; all 3 locations in Buffalo are gone.

                                                        2. re: TexSquared
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                                                          AngelSanctuary Jun 13, 2010 09:38 PM

                                                          Do people really like TH donuts more than KK? I mean besides some nationalistic thing...which is silly cause they're owned by Wendy's.

                                                          1. re: AngelSanctuary
                                                            t
                                                            TexSquared Jun 13, 2010 10:54 PM

                                                            My point exactly. Side by side taste test of a KK Hot Original Glazed vs its TH counterpart the Honey Dip. No contest.

                                                            You can read what I think of them in this old thread:

                                                            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/4962...

                                                            Read the posts below that one for more deserved hatred of TH.

                                                            1. re: TexSquared
                                                              Davwud Jun 14, 2010 05:54 AM

                                                              Completely agree.

                                                              However I'll take the rest of the TH line up over that of KK.
                                                              There's just no beating the KK Original Cream.

                                                              DT

                                                            2. re: AngelSanctuary
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                                                              FrankD Jun 14, 2010 05:23 PM

                                                              Not to prick your bubble, but Wendy's sold all of their TH shares back in 2006. With the usual corporate brilliance, Wendy's sold at pretty much the bottom (~$25/share); Timmy's now trades about $33/share. Major holders are institutions and mutual funds.

                                                              1. re: AngelSanctuary
                                                                Googs Jun 15, 2010 05:24 AM

                                                                I tried KK donuts. Once. After the sugar shakes subsided I vowed 'never again'.

                                                                TH may not exactly be healthy, but at least they don't induce an overdose reaction.

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                                                                  Snarf Jun 15, 2010 06:00 AM

                                                                  You need a certain amount of ballast to handle a KK donut. Thus the heightened popularity to our southern neighbours who are offered KFC products that we aren't.

                                                                  As an aside, never quite understood why Eddie Shack Donuts didn't take off with the same alacrity as TH. Much better hockey player.

                                                                  1. re: Snarf
                                                                    T Long Jun 15, 2010 06:25 AM

                                                                    Did Eddie try to sell the coffee with his Christmas trees?

                                                                  2. re: Googs
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                                                                    Atahualpa Jun 16, 2010 12:08 PM

                                                                    That was my experience. Soooooooooooooooooo sweet. Arg . . .

                                                                    All you could taste was sugar. Now, I don't really like TH either. If I have a doughnut from them it is an UN-glaze sourcream.

                                                                  3. re: AngelSanctuary
                                                                    JamieK Jun 15, 2010 04:31 PM

                                                                    Tim Horton's is not owned by Wendy's.

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                                                                      nouseforaname Jun 16, 2010 06:40 PM

                                                                      It's true.

                                                                      From TH's website.

                                                                      *Tim Hortons is no longer owned by Wendy's and is a stand-alone public company trading on the Toronto Stock Exchange and the New York Stock Exchange. Tim Hortons corporate head office is in Oakville, Ontario, Canada.

                                                                      also, see

                                                                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Hort...

                                                              2. re: TexSquared
                                                                scarberian Jun 8, 2010 02:15 PM

                                                                That is true about Swiss Chalet. I have found that the one on Hespler (?) in Cambridge is quite consistent the number of times I've been there in terms of good quality. They usually give generous portions and the fries are not greasy.

                                                                I second Ten Ichi. Excellent place to just eat pseudo Japanese food with some buddies.

                                                                As for all this talk about offal all I can say is ...mmmmmm..... tripe..... and sweetbread cooked at Susur's was out of this world. All offal haters out there, get your game on and just try some chicken hearts and livers in a nice stew or simple calve's liver cooked in butter and onions.

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                                                                Susur
                                                                601 King St W, Toronto, ON M5V1M5, CA

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                                                                  magic Jun 8, 2010 04:21 PM

                                                                  Buster Rhinos I would argue is an absolute Chowhound darling.

                                                                  Well deserved too I'd add.

                                                                  1. re: TexSquared
                                                                    jiminy Nov 27, 2010 05:01 AM

                                                                    I get Swiss Chalet pretty often but I think its the location that is good or bad not the chain in general, when I lived in brampton on location was always great and the one closer to home was alwat mediocre. I've noticed the same in mississauga too.

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                                                                      Toronto Fastfoodie Nov 27, 2010 05:42 AM

                                                                      I agree. Its location, location, location. There is a Swiss Chalet/Harvey's express outlet near my house that is total crap. The fries are not the delicious Chalet fries (my opinion so don't try to dissuade me) but the crappy Harvey's fries. Whereas the location at Bayview & Cummer makes a Festive Special I can't resist.

                                                                      http://runningandrecipes.blogspot.com/

                                                                      1. re: Toronto Fastfoodie
                                                                        ekim256 Apr 11, 2011 12:14 PM

                                                                        how are the downtown ones?
                                                                        I actually ahve $100 in gc for swiss chalet. Also valid for Harveys, Kelseys, and Milestones - SC seems like my best bang for my "buck"

                                                                        Erin
                                                                        http://www.cookiesandtomatoes.com

                                                                        1. re: ekim256
                                                                          Googs Apr 13, 2011 08:49 AM

                                                                          Kelsey's definitely ain't. That place has gone downhill in both quality and menu choices. I used to go there for the sake of an easy meeting place with by bff. Now I wouldn't go there if Johnny Depp asked me.

                                                                          1. re: Googs
                                                                            foodyDudey Apr 13, 2011 08:54 AM

                                                                            Would you go there if the Beeb asked you?

                                                                            1. re: Googs
                                                                              shekamoo Apr 13, 2011 11:21 AM

                                                                              for the record, I would go to Kelsey's if Johnny Depp asked me nicely, and I am willing to bet Mrs. Shekamoo wouldn't really mind me going either..

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                                                                      Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 8, 2010 04:20 AM

                                                                      Am so glad that there are more out there that feel like me.
                                                                      Thanks for reminding about the Chalet. Love it. But just the chicken and fries. And what awesome chicken and fries they are. What I love about it is it really is fresh rotisserie chicken. All day long! I have to admit, the first "festive special" commercial of the season? My heart beats a little faster.

                                                                      Also love Centre St. Deli--especially for the sandwiches and mohn cookies.

                                                                      Adding two more "likes" to the list: Bistro on Ave. and Duffs, both for a great wing fix. And Bistro also makes a mean pub house salad.

                                                                      I know that none of these places are fancy or gourmet, but good tasting food is just simply good tasting food (hence my chow name)

                                                                      PS . Dutch Dreams? Why do you people love this place? Are you sure they really make their own ice cream? I've been there a couple times and do not see how it can even compete with Greg's, La Paloma, or Hollywood Gelato.

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                                                                      Dutch Dreams
                                                                      78 Vaughan Rd, Toronto, ON M6C2L7, CA

                                                                      La Paloma
                                                                      1 Bass Pro Mills Dr, Thornhill, ON L4K5W4, CA

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                                                                        Bigtigger Jun 8, 2010 06:09 AM

                                                                        O come on, Toronto Fastfoodie - I am not sure Dutch Dreams make their own ice cream, either. But the adornments to cones and shakes alike, the kitschy nature, the tribal rites of lining up , the smell of the waffle press....should warm even the stoniest heart. The point is they are not in competition with the too cool vibe of Paloma and the other parlours you mentioned. (BTW I often think some of Greg's flavours would be enhanced by a contrasting element in the mix, but that is another topic.)

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                                                                        Dutch Dreams
                                                                        78 Vaughan Rd, Toronto, ON M6C2L7, CA

                                                                        1. re: Bigtigger
                                                                          Full tummy Jun 8, 2010 06:47 AM

                                                                          I just don't like that they don't know they don't serve real whipped cream. Maybe they do now, but they didn't some years ago, resulting in my having an enormous blob of hydrogenated oil product on top of my sundae. Yuck!

                                                                        2. re: Toronto Fastfoodie
                                                                          Full tummy Jun 8, 2010 06:47 AM

                                                                          I'm with everybody on Swiss Chalet chicken, but one piece isn't enough these days, given the apparent shrinking of the birds they roast. I do recall one time eating at Square restaurant, which used to be on Mt. Pleasant, and the two fellows next to me (who considered themselves foodies) spent a considerable amount of their dinner conversation on how it is simply not possible for anyone with taste to eat at Swiss Chalet. Too funny.

                                                                          I am also a Keg fan. Not all the side dishes, though. But the prime rib, steaks, lobster, etc. I like the atmosphere, too, and the general good service. And Milestones in the same way.

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                                                                            Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 8, 2010 07:13 AM

                                                                            LOVE the Keg! But like mcds vs. Bymark for burgers, or Liberetto vs. Panago for pizza, Keg is great for a steak dinner with the teenagers & Chan is good for steak dinner with grown ups.

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                                                                            Bymark
                                                                            66 Wellington St. W, Toronto, ON M5K 1J3, CA

                                                                        3. Rabbit Jun 8, 2010 04:57 AM

                                                                          The Chalet Swiss is my secret go-to for takeaway. Although I've never liked that weird Chalet sauce.

                                                                          And I was very pleasantly surprised on my last visit to Milestone's (was stuck in suburban mall-land)... they were offering a specials menu with attention to seasonal and healthy ingredients (and surprisingly good execution) and really excellent and attentive service.

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                                                                            juno Jun 8, 2010 07:16 AM

                                                                            A most entertaining subject. But the OP, and everyone else, shouldn't be surprised at the strongly conflicting opinions on most restaurants. There's a major emotional component to eating out, and we all bring those emotions to the table. Agreed, food, service and atmosphere are most important, but emotion - a combination of so many personal variables - can tip the balance one way or the other on the approval scale. So, for example, while magic says he/she doesn't care for Le Paradis's rude service and mediocre food, I regard it as the benchmark of French bistros in Toronto. There are better bistros, and many lousier ones, but for me it sets the standard. I've never had outrageously rude service there, though I'm sure many have - hell, it's a French bistro, so you should expect it, and be prepared to sass them back. And I think the food, if not terrific, is - given its modest prices - satisfying and solidly consistent. For me, Le Paradis has warmth and character and a lightness of spirit - and good memories. I've averaged two to four visits a year almost since it opened a few decades ago and wish it were more often. Yet magic feels otherwise. Not surprising. He/she brings a whole different experience, mindset and emotional history to the premises. That's what makes a ball game.

                                                                            I also like Asian Legend, a smallish chain of Chinese restos, which often gets trashed here by those who know Chinese food better than I. Charles Yu and company are right, of course. There are a lot of much, much better joints than Asian Legend, which does a dismal job on many of its dishes. But I like the place - especially the Finch-Leslie outlet - and damned if I know why. Maybe because, after years of working my way through the menu, I've decided which dishes it seems to do a decent job on.

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                                                                              bogie Jun 8, 2010 07:35 AM

                                                                              I agree with your opinion on Le Paradis. I would also add that they have the most reasonable wine markups/prices I've found in Toronto. We always order a bottle when we go, they're almost all under $35.

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                                                                                Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 8, 2010 08:05 AM

                                                                                I LOVE Asian Legend...especially the Yonge Street Location. And also, Lee Garden, which many people disregard when we discuss the best chinese in T.O. Not authentic chinese, just great, fresh food with chinese flavours and style.

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                                                                                Lee Garden Restaurant
                                                                                331 Spadina Ave, Toronto, ON M5T2E9, CA

                                                                                1. re: Toronto Fastfoodie
                                                                                  T Long Jun 15, 2010 06:21 AM

                                                                                  My last visit to Asian Legend on Yonge was very enjoyable, and Lee Garden's food is great....but what's so unauthentic chinese about Lee's?

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                                                                                  Lee Garden Restaurant
                                                                                  331 Spadina Ave, Toronto, ON M5T2E9, CA

                                                                            2. estufarian Jun 8, 2010 07:29 AM

                                                                              I guess I'm in the 'don't agree' faction - don't like ANY of your favourites - but please don't get dissuaded. All decent places need support - and nothing will please everyone.

                                                                              On the lighter side, it seems that Chowhound itself seems to disagree with you.
                                                                              While I'm reading this, the little google map to the right of your post is carefully mapping (or trying to) all your recommendations on to a map of San Francisco! That's a great way to make sure no one finds them!

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                                                                              1. re: estufarian
                                                                                Full tummy Jun 8, 2010 07:51 AM

                                                                                Or Chowhound agrees, as nobody has bothered to enter any of them in the database, hahaha.

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                                                                                  Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 8, 2010 08:06 AM

                                                                                  I just saw that and now I am really getting a complex. What are your favorites? Maybe I can disagree with those, too.

                                                                                  1. re: Toronto Fastfoodie
                                                                                    estufarian Jun 8, 2010 09:12 AM

                                                                                    They're on my profile!I lost 2 of my faves last year!
                                                                                    So obviously not everyone agrees with me either.

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                                                                                  bogie Jun 8, 2010 08:10 AM

                                                                                  I love, other CHers don't:

                                                                                  Kama Sutra Restaurant
                                                                                  Penrose Fish & Chips
                                                                                  Queen & Beaver

                                                                                  I hate, other CHers like:

                                                                                  Boom Breakfast-Bennys made with powdered Knorr hollandaise, yuk.
                                                                                  Pizza Libretto-Seriously anorexic, overhyped and overpriced pizza
                                                                                  Expensive, pretentious, trendy Toronto places to be "scene" -take your pick...

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                                                                                  1. re: bogie
                                                                                    haggisdragon Jun 8, 2010 08:13 AM

                                                                                    Queen and Beaver is incredibly pretentious, but I love it, and many other hounds do.

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                                                                                      bogie Jun 8, 2010 08:15 AM

                                                                                      You've found it pretentious, really? That suprises me because I've had nothing but warm and friendly service there.

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                                                                                        JennaBean Jun 8, 2010 08:20 AM

                                                                                        Me too. I feel like it is a place where I can go have a good pint and some decent food unlike many pubs where the grub is second rate at best!

                                                                                        1. re: bogie
                                                                                          haggisdragon Jun 8, 2010 08:23 AM

                                                                                          Me too. I don't necessarily equate pretentious with unfriendly. I was thinking of the ambitious menu and the prices, which are a little high for your average working stiff.

                                                                                        2. re: haggisdragon
                                                                                          Googs Jun 9, 2010 05:23 AM

                                                                                          Calling the Queen and Beaver pretentious is pretentious. I think they deliver bang for the buck. Sure the prices are higher than the average pub. So's the quality.

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                                                                                            downtownfoodie Jun 9, 2010 06:31 AM

                                                                                            I think haggis was saying he liked it anyway, but i am confused about how anyone could call it pretentious. I don't like the mismatched crockery etc but at the end of the day, good food is good food. The mushroom tart, the fish and chips, the venison...all very well done. I found the service to be very friendly (if a little harried when they get busy), but since when do CH'rs ever complain about ambitious menus (unless they are poorly executed)?

                                                                                            1. re: downtownfoodie
                                                                                              pinstripeprincess Jun 9, 2010 06:51 AM

                                                                                              i've only been there a couple times, but i wouldn't say that all their food is well executed.

                                                                                              regardless, the people who work there are earnest folk offering food at a quality level that i feel matches the surroundings. just because they've got a space that is beautiful, detailed, and comfortable (with a menu to match) doesn't make them pretentious. now a place that's trying to sell me a pint of 50 for $6 with dismissive service... that's where i take issue.

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                                                                                                canadianbeaver Jun 9, 2010 06:51 AM

                                                                                                I was just at Q & B last night. I sat on the third floor, and we asked them to change the TV to play basketball, and they happily obliged. I had the B.L.T, which was delicious -- yes, it might be $2 more than chicken fingers down the street at Duke of Gloucester, but it was delicious, real food. Nothing seemed pretentious about this place at all - we sat on the couch and ate off the little table.

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                                                                                                  jamesm Jun 9, 2010 07:05 AM

                                                                                                  pretentious is the most over and mis-used word on this board, next to possibly "hipster."

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                                                                                                    Dimbulb Jun 9, 2010 10:32 AM

                                                                                                    And then there's the pretentious hipsters!

                                                                                          2. re: bogie
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                                                                                            stet Jun 8, 2010 08:14 AM

                                                                                            CHers hate Penrose? Is this a new development?

                                                                                            1. re: stet
                                                                                              Full tummy Jun 8, 2010 08:28 AM

                                                                                              I think that it is often considered overrated and overpriced.

                                                                                            2. re: bogie
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                                                                                              Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 8, 2010 08:32 AM

                                                                                              Funny, I always find that CHers tend to hate the see-and-be-seen places, even when they are great, like Sotto Sotto, Bistro 990, and the like.

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                                                                                              Bistro 990
                                                                                              990 Bay St, Toronto, ON M5S3A8, CA

                                                                                              Sotto Sotto Restaurant
                                                                                              116 Avenue Rd, Toronto, ON M5R2H4, CA

                                                                                              1. re: bogie
                                                                                                munchieHK Jun 8, 2010 08:38 AM

                                                                                                Yep, I like Queen and Beaver and I couldn't give a flying crap if it's pretentious. Good ale, good food, decent atmosphere, live football...what more can you ask?

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                                                                                                  phoenikia Jun 8, 2010 09:07 AM

                                                                                                  I like Queen & Beaver. I've only been to the 3rd floor, and everyone I encountered was down-to-earth.

                                                                                                  Strongly dislike 7 West, and can't believe how often posters on this board recommend it!

                                                                                                  Dislike Cafe Diplomatico. Yuck.

                                                                                                  Not a fan of Le Paradis, which is often recommended on this board. One of my friends loves it, and will drive 45 minutes out of her way to dine there.

                                                                                                  Not a fan of Chippy's. Once was enough for me ;-)

                                                                                                  Underwhelmed by Beer Bistro. It's a decent option for the neighbourhood and certainly fairly priced, and I like the frites and the dessert sample, but I don't understand the raves it gets on this Board.

                                                                                                  One place that gets some negative comments on this board is Ki. I have enjoyed any of the starters I have ordered at Ki. I wouldn't choose to dine there afterwork, when it's a zoo, but the food was much better than I expected.

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                                                                                                  7 Charles St W, Toronto, ON M4Y1R4, CA

                                                                                                  Queen & Beaver
                                                                                                  35 Elm St, Toronto, ON M5G, CA

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                                                                                                    julesrules Jun 9, 2010 06:00 AM

                                                                                                    I think people rec 7 west specifically as a first date type of place. It's very central and you can order once and sit forever. Alcohol or coffee, sweet or savoury - all the bases are covered for a very small commitment of your time and money, but if the date goes well, you can linger. I don't think people suggest it for chow reasons. I'm married now but the place still comes in handy sometimes, as a step up from Second Cup or whatever when I have an hour to catch up with someone before we hop on the subway.

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                                                                                                      phoenikia Jun 9, 2010 07:56 AM

                                                                                                      I realize people are recommending 7 West for 1st dates, or for a latenight bite, rather for the "chow", but I've found the food and service at 7 West to be worse than what I've come to expect at the Second Cup. The cappuccino I was served at 7 West was the worst I've tasted, and the hot chocolate on another visit was terrible. The dip plate was reminiscent of Hemingway's, the tortilla chips and pita tasted stale IIRC, and the layer cake was roughly grocery store-bakery quality. The Second Cup's sweets usually taste good, and many of the tarts they sell come from Dufflets ;-)

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                                                                                                      7 West
                                                                                                      7 Charles St W, Toronto, ON M4Y1R4, CA

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                                                                                                        julesrules Jun 9, 2010 09:08 AM

                                                                                                        7 west also has Dufflets iirc. I don't actually eat there though, a drink, maybe dessert. But I mainly meant a step up in terms of atmosphere/comfort, with the option to have alcohol. I don't enjoy the general atmosphere, counter line up, competition for seats, paper cups etc at the chain cafes, especially for a date, but that's just my preference. Again, I'm not claiming any chow value here :)

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                                                                                                        787 Queen St W, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

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                                                                                                          phoenikia Jun 9, 2010 09:16 AM

                                                                                                          They might serve some Dufflets cakes, but the layer cake I tried didn't look or taste like Dufflets.

                                                                                                          I understand what you're saying, but I guess even for a date, I'd take a chain & paper cups over 7 West.

                                                                                                          Chacun à son goût ;-)

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                                                                                                          Dufflet
                                                                                                          787 Queen St W, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

                                                                                                          7 West
                                                                                                          7 Charles St W, Toronto, ON M4Y1R4, CA

                                                                                                  2. re: munchieHK
                                                                                                    haggisdragon Jun 8, 2010 10:38 AM

                                                                                                    Also agreed.

                                                                                                  3. re: bogie
                                                                                                    Brain of J Jun 8, 2010 01:57 PM

                                                                                                    Re: Penrose. If there's one spot that all CHers should be onside about, it's Penrose. When it comes to fried halibut, they're about as good as you're going to get in Toronto. I might give the tiniest edge to High Street, but Penrose does rock.

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                                                                                                    55 Underhill Dr, Toronto, ON M3A2J8, CA

                                                                                                    1. re: bogie
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                                                                                                      xiolablue Jun 10, 2010 08:15 AM

                                                                                                      Bogie-totally agree with you about Boom..powdery cold hollandaise sauce and cold eggs at both college and st. clair locations

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                                                                                                      garfield Jun 8, 2010 08:17 AM

                                                                                                      Chef Of India Buffet - I hate it.
                                                                                                      Cest Bon - Ditto.

                                                                                                      1. munchieHK Jun 8, 2010 08:44 AM

                                                                                                        I hate Zucca and Guu, it has to be said.

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                                                                                                        Guu
                                                                                                        398 Church Street, Toronto, ON M5B 2A2, CA

                                                                                                        1. Dr Butcher Jun 8, 2010 08:52 AM

                                                                                                          Mustachio's at SLM, I like it, others seem to have mixed feelings.
                                                                                                          The Double Stack burger at Wendy's is pretty decent for fast food.
                                                                                                          Swiss Chalet chicken and fries as others have stated.
                                                                                                          The Keg, I have had the occasional tough steak but I still go back.

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                                                                                                            radiopolitic Jun 8, 2010 09:18 AM

                                                                                                            I like
                                                                                                            - Terroni (on Adelaide)
                                                                                                            - Black Hoof BUT I think they charge way too much for offal. I've been eating it since growing up on a farm back home and I can't bare to spend 14 dollars on blood sausage or 15 dollars on sweetbreads. (prices may have changed recently, dunno)
                                                                                                            - Swiss Chalet (its my ritual meal before departing T3 at Pearson)

                                                                                                            Dislike
                                                                                                            - Zucca
                                                                                                            - Caplansky's
                                                                                                            - Canyon Creek, Milestones, Jack Astor's, etc etc.
                                                                                                            - Panago didn't do anything for me. I'd rather order from Pizza Nova.

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                                                                                                              phoenikia Jun 8, 2010 09:20 AM

                                                                                                              It's funny, I liked Panago the first few times at tried it, maybe 4 years ago. In fact, I even had recommended Panago for pizza in London, ON. Over the last 18 months, I'm picking a somewhat unpleasant commercial taste in the Panago sauce, sausage and dough.

                                                                                                              I much rather order from Mamma's Pizza ;-) Actually, better yet, I'd much rather splurge on the alici (white anchovy) pizza at Buca, which will do take-out, if you ask.

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                                                                                                                radiopolitic Jun 8, 2010 09:24 AM

                                                                                                                I have yet to get to Buca. I've definitely been meaning to check it out.

                                                                                                                Maybe I'll take a girl I've been seeing recently over there. Is the atmosphere appropriate?

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                                                                                                                604 King St. West, Toronto, ON M5V 1M6, CA

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                                                                                                                  phoenikia Jun 8, 2010 09:28 AM

                                                                                                                  Yep ;-) Nice place to dine with someone special.

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                                                                                                                Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 8, 2010 09:52 AM

                                                                                                                OMG! Totally agree with you about Caplansky's! Was afraid to admit it as I thought I was the only one in the city. The meat gravy is overkill & disgusting. THe homemade mustard tastes weird, and I REALLY hate how Zane walking around telling the patrons about all the famous people who have eaten there and who are now his close and personal friends.

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                                                                                                                356 College Street, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

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                                                                                                                  jamesm Jun 8, 2010 10:46 AM

                                                                                                                  You thought you were the only one? Have you not read any of the threads here regarding Caplanskys?

                                                                                                                  Love: Chippys. Fish and Chips in the park on a sunny Saturday? What's not to love?

                                                                                                                  Hate: La Paradis -- boring, bland uninspired. Food, decor and location. There are so many other places I'd rather go than there.

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                                                                                                                  356 College Street, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

                                                                                                                  1. re: Toronto Fastfoodie
                                                                                                                    duckdown Jun 9, 2010 10:20 PM

                                                                                                                    Caplansky's "hater" here, checking in! Not a fan at all.

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                                                                                                                      childofthestorm Jun 10, 2010 06:32 PM

                                                                                                                      Yeah, we know.

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                                                                                                                        marc Bernstein Jun 20, 2010 11:06 PM

                                                                                                                        I happen to love Caplansky's and feel that he is special.
                                                                                                                        Closest thing to Schwartzes in my view in Toronto.
                                                                                                                        I also really love Yitzes,United Bakers,along with Chez Piggy in Kingston.
                                                                                                                        Other faves out of town:
                                                                                                                        Ottawa: Domus Cafe:
                                                                                                                        John Taylor is an extraordinary chef,and I think his place is one of the finest in Canada. I also love the scones at Scone Witch in Ottawa.
                                                                                                                        Places I can't stand: Studio Cafe, Mesis.

                                                                                                                        Other places that I am partial to:
                                                                                                                        Globe Bistro, Mildred's Temple Kitchen.
                                                                                                                        USA: Ponzios Diner in Cherry Hill,New Jersey.
                                                                                                                        Places that I think have slipped down in quality in Toronto:
                                                                                                                        Mama's Pizza, China House, Toni Baloni in Yorkville.
                                                                                                                        Seems alot of Chowhound Snobs have a hate on for Caplansky's Deli. Guess he isn't pretencious enough eh?!
                                                                                                                        I didn't know that Bill Clinton reviews Toronto restos for Chowhound!

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                                                                                                                        Domus
                                                                                                                        85 Murray St, Ottawa, ON K1N5M5, CA

                                                                                                                        Caplansky's
                                                                                                                        356 College Street, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

                                                                                                                        Mildred's Temple Kitchen
                                                                                                                        85 Hanna Avenue, Toronto, ON M6K 3S3, CA

                                                                                                                        Scone Witch
                                                                                                                        388 Albert St, Ottawa, ON K1R5B2, CA

                                                                                                                        Chez Piggy Restaurant
                                                                                                                        68R Princess St, Kingston, ON K7L1A5, CA

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                                                                                                                          Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 21, 2010 04:16 PM

                                                                                                                          I think that the reason we are finally admitting that there is not the unanimous love for Caplansky's is because it/he is too pretentious. Not because we are. Personally, I love Pancer's. Best smoked turkey/fries/pickles/coleslaw/cream soda Sunday dinner.

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                                                                                                                          356 College Street, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

                                                                                                                          1. re: Toronto Fastfoodie
                                                                                                                            haggisdragon Jun 21, 2010 08:33 PM

                                                                                                                            Thats a bunch of bull. The only criteria that you can use to judge Caplansky's is your personal experience there, and it has nothing to do with who's pretentious or not. Basically, you like the sandwich or you don't. Can we please have moratorium on the use of the word pretentious?

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                                                                                                                            356 College Street, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

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                                                                                                                              Snarf Jun 21, 2010 09:30 PM

                                                                                                                              Grumble waddle quirk pretentious kobe poutine.

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                                                                                                                                Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 23, 2010 04:43 PM

                                                                                                                                Ok. Then how about this: the sandwich is good, but not good enough to make me want to sit in the restaurant and eat it. Same as the Chalet: love the chicken but cannot tolerate the ambiance. That is why I do takeout. And unfortunately, I do not live close enough to Caplansky's that takeout would be worth it. So instead I stick to Pancer's and Wolfies for my smoked meat needs.

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                                                                                                                                356 College Street, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

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                                                                                                                                  jamesm Jun 23, 2010 06:11 PM

                                                                                                                                  Yes, because there is an overwhelmingly homogeneous crowd at Caplanskys all the time.

                                                                                                                                  People see what they want to see.

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                                                                                                                                  356 College Street, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

                                                                                                                          2. re: duckdown
                                                                                                                            Googs Jun 21, 2010 05:31 AM

                                                                                                                            Hey, duckdown, we're all naming places we LOVE that others hate. So far you've only (re)told us what you hate. That's the question the OP posed.

                                                                                                                            Put on your flak jacket with the rest of us and give it up.

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                                                                                                                              torontogal Jun 21, 2010 11:39 AM

                                                                                                                              Actually, the thread states "What restaurants do you love that we have (and vice versa)." I'm going with the "vice versa" part of the thread and have to say that Caplanskys was a major disappointment. We didn't like it at all.

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                                                                                                                              356 College Street, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

                                                                                                                              1. re: torontogal
                                                                                                                                Googs Jun 22, 2010 05:54 AM

                                                                                                                                Vice versa is so unadventurous. We can all hate a place with relative impunity compared with loving a place.

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                                                                                                                        FrankD Jun 8, 2010 11:39 AM

                                                                                                                        One word - Johnny's

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                                                                                                                          Davwud Jun 8, 2010 11:41 AM

                                                                                                                          Oh god ya. Add Webbers to that too.
                                                                                                                          Any place that serves frozen patties can not be the best burger.

                                                                                                                          DT

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                                                                                                                            acd123 Jun 8, 2010 11:53 AM

                                                                                                                            I have to second Webers. Judging by the line ups, somebody must like them, but why? The burgers suck. It's just a name. Go to Burger Pit instead.

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                                                                                                                              Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 8, 2010 12:50 PM

                                                                                                                              For once I think that all CHers can agree: Webers is just a frozer hamburger joint on the side of the road. Buuuutttt...it is definitely a tradition for cottagers and such as it signals the start of a vacation. WIth that in mind, I stopped there once on my way up because I heard about it...and have passed by it ever since.

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                                                                                                                                MeMeMe Jun 8, 2010 01:01 PM

                                                                                                                                I do love their fries with the seasoned salt and the hamburger buns. And you get to eat in a pretty field or Via train.

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                                                                                                                              FrankD Jun 8, 2010 01:36 PM

                                                                                                                              You missed my point, my friend.

                                                                                                                              First, this isn't the "best burger" thread. Second, I didn't claim that Johnny's had the best burgers. This is the place "I" like that everybody else hates.

                                                                                                                              I like Johnny's. So their burgers are frozen - so are McD's, and I don't see anyone ripping them for that. Half the fish we get in Toronto is frozen. I buy frozen ribs, and they turn out fine. What's all the hate for frozen foods?

                                                                                                                              A Johnny's cheeseburger with fried onions, tomatoes, mustard and relish, with a side of onion rings and their dill pickles is a very satisfying, inexpensive meal for me. I appreciate that you don't like it; I'm not asking you to.

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                                                                                                                                scarberian Jun 8, 2010 02:24 PM

                                                                                                                                Johnny's! Especially at 2 a.m. It just tastes better at that time and their fries are okay if you put gravy on it. Actually a lot of places taste good at 2 a.m. =o

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                                                                                                                                  Davwud Jun 8, 2010 04:04 PM

                                                                                                                                  Yes I did miss your point.

                                                                                                                                  No one claims that McD's has the best burgers either. Nor would they send Guy Fieri there.
                                                                                                                                  Johnny's is what it is. If you like it fine but to say they're anything more than they are is mind boggling to me.

                                                                                                                                  DT

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                                                                                                                                    Pizza Lover Jun 9, 2010 08:27 AM

                                                                                                                                    But at least at McD's you can break the burger apart and see real beef. At Johnny's the patty is so generic and has been over processed to death.

                                                                                                                                    But Johnny's fries hit the spot for some reason and fighting off the seagulls is fun too.

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                                                                                                                                      Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 9, 2010 02:00 PM

                                                                                                                                      I agree about the McD's thing: there is just something about that place. The fries, the big mac. I have "copied" the special sauce at home and for some reason, it just isn't the same. Likewise with other crappy burger places; it isn't the quality of the food, but rather a combo of getting that quick burger "fix" and having that special place to get that fix. If you like Webers or Johnny's, great! I just happen to like McDs, Goldenstar. and Burgershak. Gasp! C'mon, CHers, at 2am, after a night out, do you want a kobe burger with blue cheese and shaved truffles or a 1 inch cheeseburger on a white bread bun with maybe just ketchup as a fixin'? Which one sounds more delicious to you? I know what I think...

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                                                                                                                                        Full tummy Jun 9, 2010 04:56 PM

                                                                                                                                        I am an Egg McMuffin fan. Same thing when I try to copy it at home. Seems so simple, but I guess the grocery store doesn't have the same suppliers and I don't have the same rubbery egg technique, haha. Don't know why I love that rubbery egg...but I do.

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                                                                                                                                          pinstripeprincess Jun 9, 2010 05:26 PM

                                                                                                                                          i normally like my eggs as runny as can be, but when i try to copy the sausage & egg mcmuffin that egg has to be cooked all the way through. still doesn't taste the same, gotta give in to the real mccoy.

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                                                                                                                                            Full tummy Jun 9, 2010 10:28 PM

                                                                                                                                            Me, too. I'm a runny egg for dipping kinda person.

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                                                                                                                                          sloweater Jun 9, 2010 05:38 PM

                                                                                                                                          Number 2 at the drive-thru in the morning.... guilty pleasure.

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                                                                                                                                            xiolablue Jun 10, 2010 08:33 AM

                                                                                                                                            love for GOLDENSTAR

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                                                                                                                                          fryerlover Jun 17, 2010 01:10 PM

                                                                                                                                          I also love McDonald's, although my healthy inner voice yells at me when I do give in and go. Junior chicken with a slice of tomato please.

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                                                                                                                                          tjr Jun 12, 2010 08:30 AM

                                                                                                                                          I am intentionally going to eat at Weber's on my way up to Muskoka when I get back. It will likely be my first meal after returning, and will therefore set the bar as low as possible for future meals. I'll never be disappointed again :-)

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                                                                                                                                            pluckypear Jul 24, 2010 01:48 PM

                                                                                                                                            Masa near Bloor and Yonge is much better then Katsu. The thing I hate at Katsu is the service. I have been 3 times with friends and sent dishes back because the server had his thumb on the food. I see the servers often have their sleeves and thumbs on the food as they carry the plates to the table.

                                                                                                                                            At one visit we asked for more tea 4 times and finally gave up. The plates have been slammed on the table and orders forgotten.

                                                                                                                                            Each visit leaves me perplexed as to why people return. The food is mediocre and the service is horrid. I will add that at each visit it was not overly busy and there were many staff on hand.

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                                                                                                                                            15 Charles E, Toronto, ON M4Y2A1, CA

                                                                                                                                      2. pescatarian Jun 8, 2010 12:14 PM

                                                                                                                                        I don't like the AYCE, but I like some of the a la cart maki at Katsu Sushi on the Danforth. I'm not under the illusion that it's first rate sushi, but it's tasty and fresh enough for me. I'm sure there's lots of haters of Katsu Sushi on here.

                                                                                                                                        Don't like much of the menu, but when fresh, can get into a Freddy's Tuna Salad at The Pickle Barrel and still love their coleslaw.

                                                                                                                                        LIke Centre Street Deli also, especially their eggs and onions. Like the smoked turkey at Caplansky's (I'm not a MSM expert, but the sandwich my ex-BF was eating seemed fresh and moist and tasty and the fries we had were good, as was the service.

                                                                                                                                        Hate most things at Timmie's and Starbuck's, and I'm sure there's lots of lovers of both.

                                                                                                                                        I think, in general, there are a lot of places that are not well liked, but if you know of a dish or two that they do well there and stick to those items, you might not mind them.

                                                                                                                                        Oh, I love the Vegetarian "Thai" Noodle Salad at Milestones, although haven't had one in years. It's my go to when I'm there.

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                                                                                                                                        356 College Street, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

                                                                                                                                        Centre Street Deli
                                                                                                                                        1136 Centre St, Thornhill, ON L4J3M8, CA

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                                                                                                                                          piptal Jun 9, 2010 08:16 AM

                                                                                                                                          Great thread!

                                                                                                                                          I like the Mill Street Brew Pub, which has been pretty much universally panned on this board.. There is much worse pub food in town and there are some tasty items on the menu ( I am fan of their club sandwich) and it's child-friendly and the kids' menu actually has some decent stuff on it)
                                                                                                                                          I like Terroni as well (am I the only one??) and I don't think that their "no substitutions policy is a sin against restaurant goers everywhere :-)

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                                                                                                                                          55 Mill St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

                                                                                                                                          1. re: piptal
                                                                                                                                            JamieK Jun 9, 2010 08:35 AM

                                                                                                                                            I confess I like Mill Street Brew Pub too. I try to refrain from mentioning it (and mentally duck when I do) but it has its uses, -- location, patio, kid-friendly and good beer being some of them. I like the crab cakes.

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                                                                                                                                            55 Mill St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

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                                                                                                                                              duckdown Jun 9, 2010 10:19 PM

                                                                                                                                              Wow, that's news to me that Mill Street Brew Pub is hated on here. I've never been, but everyone I've ever talked to really likes it. And I'm a fan of their beer.

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                                                                                                                                              55 Mill St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

                                                                                                                                              1. re: duckdown
                                                                                                                                                Wahooty Jun 9, 2010 11:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                Beer = good. Food = awful. The factors JamieK mentions are the reasons it is successful and will continue to be, but I have yet to try anything on the menu that was worth the money or calories. To be fair, I haven't tried the crab cakes or the club sandwich. :) It's just such a wasted opportunity...chain pub food in a location where a really good brew pub would just soar. I want more from it than it will ever provide. :(

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                                                                                                                                                  c.cow Jun 10, 2010 05:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                  I've only been once for a Brewmaster's Dinner event last fall, and it ranged from lovely - a really nicely spiced butternut squash soup (paired with an even better pumpkin beer) - to fine - steak (IIRC a little over-seasoned for my taste, but not bad). Wish I could remember the other courses - I do remember enjoying the meal a lot.

                                                                                                                                                  I might be out on a limb here, but it reminds me of my old uni residence catering service - they'd put out any old slop for us on a "normal" day, but on a special occasion (whether for us or a wedding held on site) they'd suddenly be capable of producing real food - you could tell what everything was!!

                                                                                                                                                  So maybe Mill Street is a special case, capable of doing better than the normal fare it puts out... or maybe I'm in the same camp as Piptal :) Would have to try a "normal" day to find out for sure.

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                                                                                                                                                    pinstripeprincess Jun 10, 2010 07:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                    mill st brewpub used to put out great affordable food in its first few months of opening, i'm not sure if the mega pub chain owned them from the get go but whom ever they had in the kitchen must've been fighting them tooth and nail for quality control if they did. it was one of my go to destinations, then things took a gigantic nose dive and i wonder if the efficiency consultants came in and took a major swipe at things.

                                                                                                                                                    i suspect they're hiring decent people who could put out a good meal, but the chain masters aren't concerned about that. so perhaps when given some leeway the chefs/cooks try a little harder. or maybe they're bringing in another chef for special events.

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                                                                                                                                                      pescatarian Jun 10, 2010 07:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                      I can't remember the specifics, but I was there for a beer tasting tour about a year after they were opened and I remember the guy explaining that there was a change in management at some point in the first year. I think it was more of a personal operation at the start and then came the bigger investors/changes.

                                                                                                                                                      I do have to say, that I haven't eaten there in a long time, so I can't comment on the food quality, but I love the Coffee Porter and the Tankhouse is good beer, as is the Organic lager.

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                                                                                                                                                        pinstripeprincess Jun 10, 2010 08:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                        what i had suspected was that it was originally run by the mill street people but it had probably become too much for them, so they brought in the conglomo-pub people. the nights i was there eating the tasty food.... the place was DARN empty. the less tasty food started happening and then space filled up, go figure!

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                                                                                                                                                Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 9, 2010 02:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                You are not the only one who loves Terroni. I think they have a great product. And they do have some slight accommodations to the menu (they are not that bad). If you ask, they will make pasta with butter and cheese for kids (if the kids are happy, the parents are happy and will come back).

                                                                                                                                            2. estufarian Jun 9, 2010 10:02 AM

                                                                                                                                              OK. I'll bite (in a nice way).
                                                                                                                                              My guilty pleasure is a Friday at Tim Hortons when I can get their Clam Chowder with a sesame seed bagel. And throw in the coffee too (as it's part of the deal). I'm more of a tea drinker EXCEPT 'bad' tea is far worse than 'bad' coffee. And hard to describe Tim's coffee as 'bad' as it has absolutely no aroma and minimal taste.

                                                                                                                                              And I won't enter into any discussions on my taste (or lack of it). But someone has to show some love for Tim's!

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                                                                                                                                                downtownfoodie Jun 9, 2010 10:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                Garden Vegetable Sandwich on a bagel or a croissant is my go-to travel meal. Healthy, fast, cheap and reliable.

                                                                                                                                                Now if I could just teach them to make a proper cup of tea I could stop asking for the teabag and the milk on the side, lol.

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                                                                                                                                                  TorontoJo Jun 9, 2010 11:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                  I don't drink coffee, but my husband loves his Tim's coffee and a plain donut whenever he's on the road. It makes him happy. He also loves his expensive americanos and caffe lattes, but sometimes a plain old Tim's coffee just hits the spot for him.

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                                                                                                                                                    Snarf Jun 9, 2010 11:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                    Tim's chili is a guilty pleasure after a long ride on a cool day. Apologies to all who have seen me in my cycling shorts.

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                                                                                                                                                      Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 9, 2010 02:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                      Tim's chili is great! As it Wendy's. It was my late grandmother's favorite meal out. And not too unhealthy, either!

                                                                                                                                                      Perfect Wendy's meal: chili with a side of fries and that chocolate milkshake thing they have (forget the name of it) to dip the fries in.

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                                                                                                                                                        Underdog Rally Jun 9, 2010 03:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                        I actually don't really like coffee. Funnily enough, I'm most willing to drink Tim's coffee, because it doesn't really taste like anything except whatever sugar and cream I add.

                                                                                                                                                        I love egg mcmuffins. More specifically, I like the pseudo-english muffins that they come in. I really don't know why, since it's not particularly tasty, but it's still a treat for me every couple of months that I find incredibly satisfying.

                                                                                                                                                        I love pizza subs from Mr Sub, heated in the microwave. I think it's mostly nostalgic, since pizza subs used to be a treat when I was little. Come to think of it, so were Egg McMuffins, maybe this is a trend...

                                                                                                                                                        Reading through the best burger thread and sampling Toronto's ridiculous overabundance of burger shops, I've come to realize that I don't like buying high quality burgers. My favourite places are Gourmet Burger Co (it's nearby, and I actually like the toppings and sweet potato fries... the burger is incidental), and Molly's Bloom's $4 Monday burger special. Every time I eat a really sophisticated burger patty made with quality meat and high end toppings (i.e. Nota Bene), I walk away frustrated. The burger may be fantastic, but the closer it is to what I make at home and the higher quality the cut, the less satisfied I am with it and the more judgemental I am! Kind of like how the idea of lobster sausage makes me think "Why didn't they just give me lobster!?"

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                                                                                                                                                          GoodGravy Jun 9, 2010 08:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                          LOL the reason you like Tims coffee is the reason I don't like it! A double double is like drinking beige milk w/ a hint of coffee flavor. And not good coffee either.

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                                                                                                                                                            GoodGravy Jun 17, 2010 11:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                            Ah, I'm not the only New Yorker that thinks Tim's coffee is weak. From a NYT article, "A Canadian company’s coffee was deemed too weak for New York taste buds." (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/17/nyr...) I'm pretty sure they didn't mean Second Cup, but there are Tim Hortons in NYC now.

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                                                                                                                                                          jiminy Nov 27, 2010 05:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                          wow someone else dips there fries in the frosty!!!!! I mentioned that to my wife when we first started dating and she looked at me like I had three eyes!

                                                                                                                                                          I love the cold sweet chocolate against the hot crispy salty fries.
                                                                                                                                                          Guilty pleasure if ever ther was one

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                                                                                                                                                          torontogal Jun 21, 2010 11:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                          Agree on Tim's chili. Also Wendy's chili on a baked potato with sour cream. Great lunch for $3.

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                                                                                                                                                          magic Jun 9, 2010 07:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                          It's so funny you say that about Timmy's bagels. As much as I hate their godawful donuts I actually love their bagels. I know they are mass produced or whatevs but goddamn they are good toasted with some butter! I like Tim's coffee too. Their donuts and cookies, blech.

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                                                                                                                                                            morefoodplz Jun 9, 2010 07:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                            Tims puts way too much butter and cream cheese on everything. You can scrape the cream cheese off the bagels and put it on another, I'm just saying....

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                                                                                                                                                              magic Jun 9, 2010 08:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                              You're right. Somtimes I dab the bagel with a napkin. Problem solved. Good times after that.

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                                                                                                                                                                Full tummy Jun 9, 2010 10:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Wha??? There's such a thing as too much butter? I don't believe it.

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                                                                                                                                                                  Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 10, 2010 04:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Agree. My order: Extra-large coffee with milk and a cinnamon bagel with butter. Double cup, double toasted, and double butter. Real foodies can't have too much butter.

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                                                                                                                                                                    Full tummy Jun 10, 2010 05:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    Now that's my kind of bagel!

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                                                                                                                                                                Arcadiaseeker Jun 10, 2010 06:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                I agree -- I like Tim's bagels. They are not too big and bready. Just the right size.

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                                                                                                                                                                  jiminy Nov 27, 2010 05:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  the butter is what makes timmies bagels good, and I have to admit I love the old fashioned plain with a coffee...prefer my home brewed coffee though

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                                                                                                                                                                    estufarian Dec 1, 2010 07:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    My local Tim's uses Lactantia - it's excellent.
                                                                                                                                                                    HOWEVER, flew out of town for the weekend and at the airport the butter was AWFUL.
                                                                                                                                                                    Clearly a different brand - I'm surprised Tim's haven't standardized this.

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                                                                                                                                                                  TexSquared Jun 9, 2010 08:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  I think Tim's gets more than enough love from the sheep that line up at their drivethrus every day. They don't need any from us....

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                                                                                                                                                                    tuttebene Jun 10, 2010 05:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    Mmm...clam chowder Fridays. I share your shame.

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                                                                                                                                                                      fryerlover Jun 15, 2010 06:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      I have not been to Tim's on ages, and only go when on road trips and there is nothing else. It is really bothersome to see how many cars are idling in their drive through and out on the road. Tim's should have an enviromental (for the idling) and traffic/road (for the cars lining up on the streets) tax placed on them. That being said, years ago, when I did go there, I loved the French Crueller and the flavored coffees, although have not had either of those in years.

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                                                                                                                                                                        scarberian Jun 15, 2010 06:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        I do like their Crueller Tim Bits IF you can find a location that has them. That's the thing with TH, there's no consistency between locations.

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                                                                                                                                                                      garfield Jun 9, 2010 10:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      Ill add Spring Roll's curry pad thai and Salad King's Islamic noodles to the list.

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                                                                                                                                                                      340 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON M5B1R7, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                        estufarian Jun 9, 2010 10:33 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        RIP Salad King - the building has been closed down because of the 'demolition'! That's gotta hurt (financially)!

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                                                                                                                                                                        340 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON M5B1R7, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                          Dimbulb Jun 12, 2010 04:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          I'm sure they're insured.

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                                                                                                                                                                        summ3r Jun 9, 2010 03:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        I think I must be the only Chowhounder that can take a pass on Buca.
                                                                                                                                                                        After reading the comments and reviews here we decided to try it out last weekend.
                                                                                                                                                                        pffft. Never again.

                                                                                                                                                                        It was so loud that my dining companion & I couldn't hear each other speak. The food was so-so but after all the fuss that was made with "sourcing" on the menu, it failed to impress.

                                                                                                                                                                        There are so many other, more welcoming, comfortable (places you can have a conversation with your dining companion(s) without resorting to shouting!), restaurants around I'll take a pass on Buca.
                                                                                                                                                                        ven if I have to miss dishes served with "Ottawa Valley Sweet Butter"! (as someone who grew up in the Ottawa Valley I had to laugh at that one!)

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                                                                                                                                                                        604 King St. West, Toronto, ON M5V 1M6, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                          iheartpie Jun 10, 2010 12:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          well I personally have never have a bad meal at Le Paradis. I have great memories of meals with my family there for birthdays. I loved their mussles and homemade ketchup on the frites.

                                                                                                                                                                          Swiss Chalet is still yummy to me too, although I do agree it's not the same as it was when I was young..

                                                                                                                                                                          I love a good nature burger from Licks, dripping with toppings.

                                                                                                                                                                          I've had wonderful meals at Ruth's Chris, but last time I went the kitchen was really struggling with the steaks, I had to send my stead back TWICE. Asked for medium well and got rare both times. I know many love rare steaks, it's just not my personal taste.

                                                                                                                                                                          I love dim sum and take out from Perfect in Scarborough, and will never pass up a burger and fries at Guildwood Pizza and Burger. I don't care if the patties are thin and frozen, it just reminds me of such great high school memories.

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                                                                                                                                                                          166 Bedford Road, Toronto, ON M5R 2K9, CA

                                                                                                                                                                          Ruth's Chris
                                                                                                                                                                          77 City Centre Dr., Mississauga, ON L5B 1M5, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                            millygirl Jun 10, 2010 01:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            Have to agree with others on LeParadis. Not a fan. Same with Pangea and Tutti Matti. Poor food, with bad service is never a good thing.

                                                                                                                                                                            And a Timmy's bagel and coffee stop is always a must to start any road trip!

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                                                                                                                                                                            364 Adelaide St W, Toronto, ON M5V1R7, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                              Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 10, 2010 04:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              I actually really like Tutti Matti. That is one of those places that has been much debated on this site. I love the commitment chef/owner Alida has to authentic Tuscan Cuisine, and didn't go all mainstream , especially considering it is in the entertainment district.

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                                                                                                                                                                              364 Adelaide St W, Toronto, ON M5V1R7, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                                JennaBean Jun 11, 2010 06:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                Me too! I have never had bad service nor bad food. I really enjoy Tutti Matti.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  millygirl Jun 11, 2010 06:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                  I've only been once and it was BAD. They managed to screw up all 3 mains, and in particular the tortellini dish was still frozen inside. It was close to 3 years ago now so I don't remember all the facts except that we walked away shaking our heads, but laughing at the same time. It was a girls night out. Our waiter kinda creeped us out too. He was an older gentleman. Maybe the father??

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                                                                                                                                                                                    phoenikia Jun 11, 2010 08:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    I had one mediocre but extremely loud lunch, and one very mediocre dinner at Tutti Matti. Everything sounded great in concept, but the execution was sloppy. The daily fish I ordered for dinner was completely dried out. I don't know how that could happen unless it was forgotten in the oven.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    364 Adelaide St W, Toronto, ON M5V1R7, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Arcadiaseeker Jun 14, 2010 05:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Tutti Matti was mediocre at best and terribly expensive when friends of mine and I organized a special party for our birthdays. The chef created a special menu for us that really wasn't great. I had read about it here and had a great lunch there so that's why we picked it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      364 Adelaide St W, Toronto, ON M5V1R7, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                                  siki2 Jun 14, 2010 02:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  Tutti Matti is one of my favourites - for authentic Tuscan food. If I crave generic "Italian" I don't go. When I crave "pinci" (from Montalcino, where the chef Alida learned to cook), like "pici" (what it's called near Florence), or cingale, that's where I go. I think of it more as winter food, and tend not have Tutti Matti cravings in the summer. Alida always pays us personal attention, and I've never had anything that I thought was not well-executed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  364 Adelaide St W, Toronto, ON M5V1R7, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                              Snarf Jun 11, 2010 08:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              I notice people have been sort of pussyfooting around this post, mostly putting out the safe choices. So, here goes.

                                                                                                                                                                              Weber's on the highway. Yes, the burgers are frozen now. Yes, the toppings are day-glo. But the atmosphere, the efficiency with which they move masses of people through the lines, and the fact that you remember sitting at a particular table with your grandparents, or run a 50/50 chance of seeing an old high school girlfriend in the lineup still makes it special. And the simplicity of Lowrie's seasoned salt on the fries sets them apart. A tip, try the chocolate shake and the chowder, though not necessarily together.

                                                                                                                                                                              In town, I have to nod towards Zin, Debu, Il Posto and the Miller (drinks only). Let the barbs fly.

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                                                                                                                                                                              148 Yorkville Ave, Toronto, ON M5R1C2, CA

                                                                                                                                                                              Zin Restaurant
                                                                                                                                                                              90 Avenue Road, Toronto, ON M5R 2H2, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                                phoenikia Jun 11, 2010 11:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                I still like Weber's burgers, and their fries. I always stop if I'm passing by.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  food face Jun 11, 2010 12:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  I like your Webbers memory lane opinion. I totally agree. I love this place too. I also get a kick out of the adorable teenagers who are working so hard at making the system efficient. I take all complaints about this joint with grain of salt. I went there after gfawing at all the suckers lined up. Then I went when it wasn't busy. It reminds me of my childhood and eating McDonalds in the 80's with my parents. The thin patties are tasty and the seasoned salt is simple but works. Webbers get's no love on Chowhound, once again, I could care less. I like Webbers. STAND BY YOUR TASTEBUDS!

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                                                                                                                                                                                    TexSquared Jun 11, 2010 02:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    "STAND BY YOUR TASTEBUDS!"

                                                                                                                                                                                    Couldn't have said it better myself, FF. If it tastes good I'll eat it. If it doesn't taste good I won't. If the service sucks I won't go there. Regardless of if it's a chain or not, if the CH majority like it or not, etc.... I won't go somewhere, find I like it, and then change my tune and stop going only because the foodies don't like it.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Now don't take this as a comment on Weber's as I have never been.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      iheartpie Jun 11, 2010 03:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      I agree wholeheartedly. Go with what you like.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I will happily eat at Guildwood Pizza and Burgers knowing full well the patties are thin and frozen, but it tastes so good.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Just like you, Tex, if I don't enjoy my meal at a restaurant, I can choose not to eat there again, regardless of who told me how great it was. It's not ALWAYS because the food is bad. I've tried different styles of food, and certain spices I simply don't care for. (NUTMEG< BLEH) so if a dish is heavy on the nutmeg and I don't like it, I don't chalk it up to the resto being bad. I understand that I won't enjoy everything I try, but at least I tried it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        jiminy Nov 27, 2010 05:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        I have to put my 2 cents in on Webers, my sister raved about it for years so we stoped on trip north and was sorely dissapointed. crap burger, crap fries just plain crap. would have prefered to stop 2 miles later at mcD's at least I know what I'll get

                                                                                                                                                                                2. haggisdragon Jun 11, 2010 12:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  I like Allen's for their beautiful patio, annual steak festival, excellent burger, extensive beer selection, epic whiskey collection, and their lovingly selected all Canadian wine list. I put up with the potentially woeful service when I'm in the mood for one of these things. It helps that I live within a short walk. Oh yeah, I like their brunch too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 11, 2010 03:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Webers: Agree that it is more about the tradition & location. I have nothing bad to say about Webers; there is nothing wrong with it (as a lover of McDs, I have to admit having a soft spot for frozen burgers). I can't see how you could complain about it, especially knowing what it is. I just don't love it enough to pull over.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Allens: Really tried to love it. Found the restaurant in the winter good. But not as amazing as is often discussed here. In the summer though? Really dislike it. Don't see the patio as amazing as other think; it seems dirty and rundown to me. And the inside is dead (often) when the patio is often. And there is nothing I dislike more than a dead restaurant. I think at one time, their burger and sweet potato fries were amazing because they were one of the few places that did a gourmet burger well & had sweet potato fries, but now that they are everywhere, I think that there are other places closer to my house that do it better...and with more parking!

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                                                                                                                                                                                      JamieK Jun 11, 2010 05:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Forgot about Allen's! Yes this fits within the OP's parameters for me. I don't "love" it per se but I like it. I've never had a service issue there and have enjoyed every meal I've had there, the last being a bowl of mussels.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Pincus Jun 11, 2010 12:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Love:

                                                                                                                                                                                      Restoran Malaysia (Bayview/Major Mackenzie)
                                                                                                                                                                                      Caplansky's

                                                                                                                                                                                      Hate:

                                                                                                                                                                                      Well, not hate, but I went to Mistura and it certainly was tasty, but it wasn't the ethereal experience I was expecting from some of the reviews here. Will give it a second chance soon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        TheDewster Jun 11, 2010 01:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Liked Caplansky's when it opened had a great sandwich different from Schwartz's smokier and more complex but really better to me. Recently had another it was not cured properly, really not a pleasant taste at all. Colour was mottled with grey and white patches no smoke flavour almost seemed spoiled couldn't eat it. Sotto Sotto went twice sat next to Armand Assante first time and had veal marsala it was passable but nothing to dream about. Second time had osso bucco it was terrible sent it back and had cacciatore which was better but took an hour and a half. They kept giving my order to other people. To be fair the bar tender noticed and gave me a dry grey goose with lots of olives on the house which was nice. Service was very poor both times they concentrated on the large tables and famous folks/regulars. Expected better response since I ordered a half bottle of Tignanello. Despite the booze still a bad night both times. Spuntini above Sotto Sotto was fine both times I went there really good pizza. I don't mind Baton Rouge wish it was more Cajun creole. I hear there is a good soul food place called Harlem in Toronto anyone been there? Was told their fried chicken, cornbread etc was super live jazz too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        116 Avenue Rd, Toronto, ON M5R2H4, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                                        356 College Street, Toronto, ON M6J, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                                        116 Avenue Rd, Toronto, ON M5R2H4, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                                          GoodGravy Jun 11, 2010 01:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Harlem's ok, but I'm not a big fan of their fried chicken. It's jerk and honey coated or something, and not what I think of when I think of fried chicken. The food itself is fine and tasty, but prob. twice as expensive as I'm used to, probably cuz of the setting.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 11, 2010 03:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            I loved the chicken at Harlem...even more than the chicken at Stockyard. I like the sweet/spicy mix on my fried chicken vs. the straight spicy fried chicken at stockyard. I find the chicken at Stockyard doesn't have enough different flavours vs. the chicken at Harlem has many different layers of flavour and texture.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              hungryabbey Jun 11, 2010 06:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              I also love the chicken at harlem. Its very crispy and its not honey coated at all. Not any time I have had it, at least.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              magic Jun 12, 2010 02:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              Haha, Armande Assante. Nice.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              Googs Jun 12, 2010 06:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              Pincus, we share the Mistura opinion. The only thing magical about the place is chef's moustache. Really. He looks like he should reveal your plate with a 'presto', not prego.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Now that I've exposed myself to the wrath of Ms Millygirl, I suppose I have to give my confession.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Hernando's Hideaway, but only the Yonge and Wellesley location. I love how comfortable I feel there, that Dollard always has a bad joke that makes me laugh, the 'no, you really have to have a 2nd sip before you decide if you like them or not' margaritas, and (okay I admit it) the chicken burritos.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Commence ass kicking now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              545 Yonge St, Toronto, ON M4Y1Y5, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                                                millygirl Jun 12, 2010 07:35 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                LOL!!! You know it hurts to write this but I must admit I'm not feeling the love for Mistura myself these days. It could be more sour grapes more than anything else, in that I'm finding it difficult these days to fork over that kind of coin ($250) for a meal there. But also the last time we were there I found the atmosphere near obnoxious. Esp. when Tie Domi and entourage walked in. Not my scene. Having said all of that, I have been getting some serious cravings for his lamb ribs, risotto, and a some simple pasta dish. We've said a few times of late we should go sometime soon during the week, when hopefully it's not as crazy. Eat and get the hell out!

                                                                                                                                                                                                So all this to say, no ass kicking necessary. In fact quite the opposite. Oh and by the way, totally agree on the mustache. Major creepy factor. Give it up Massimo!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  crawfish Jul 30, 2010 04:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hernandos holds a lot of memories for me. Are the nachos still good? They used to be great - ONE layer of tortilla chips with red sauce and cheese on each one and green sauce for dipping.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    abigllama Aug 9, 2010 08:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Googs converted us to Hernando's not too long ago. And yes those basic but delish nachos are still on the menu and still excellent.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      Googs Aug 11, 2010 07:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm very glad you enjoy Hernando's, abigllama. It's nothing fancy, but it's relaxing and, OH it's almost hockey season again, *er* excuse me It's a good place to eat while watching a game. Not exactly the biggest tv in the world, but at least I'm not forced to eat chicken wings and potato skins with my Leafs.

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. skylineR33 Jun 11, 2010 02:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Restoran Malaysia - never find the food there good.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dimbulb Jun 12, 2010 04:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  And the superfluous hats!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  jaedalaurez Jun 11, 2010 09:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Baton Rouge- love the seafood pasta
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hot House Cafe- love the brunch
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Fredericks- I don't care what anybody says, there is no hakka downtown that compares.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dangerous Dan's- it's a dive, but i love the burgers
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Chipotle- they're very accommodating and the food, although not "authentic" is really yummy.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Burrito Banditos- People complain about the service, but I find them to be really patient with some of the jackasses that roll through. And frankly, the place is too tiny to be all indecisive and holding up progress. Figure out what you want, THEN get in line.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Coldstone Creamery- it's sweet and delicious. I don't care if it's non-organic and locally sourced and whether or not they have "fig and avocado" as flavors, it's just a nice treat.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  714 Queen St E, Toronto, ON M4M1H2, CA

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    stet Jun 12, 2010 07:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't like Coldstone Creamery in Canada, but this probably isn't a comment on CC itself. Because of the way it's dual-branded with Tim Hortons, I don't think I've actually ever eaten CC, I've just eaten CC ingredients ineptly prepared by Tim Hortons employees.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I asked for a banana mix-in, for example, and I got a banana cut in half and then placed on top of my ice cream, only to be mashed in with two small ice cream scoops to the texture of baby food. I had coconut poured all over one so that there was almost no trace of ice cream flavour left. The list of reasons I won't be back continues. Maybe if I'm ever in the US and I can try a real franchise.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    ziggystardust Jun 12, 2010 06:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I think people have wandered away from the original subject which is restaurants that are unpopular here, but you like. I think I may be taking the biggest chance of all here but I think Fran's is decent for brunch. I've not eaten other things there so I can't comment, but for brunch I think it passes the grade. Granted it's not great, but is it really so inferior to whatever place on the corner in your neighbourhood? I marvel at the hate people here have for it and wonder if it's for something other than the food and service.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      food face Jun 12, 2010 07:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ziggy. You are a fearless foodie warrior. Fearless.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        hungryabbey Jun 12, 2010 07:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I concur. We have had some.. unsavory experiences in the past.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          ziggystardust Jun 12, 2010 08:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          This is my point. Ok, it's not great but people here make it sound like they have baby on the menu. I guess I stand alone.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            food face Jun 13, 2010 03:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't think you stand alone. Although I haven't been there since my dad took out coconut cream pies there in the 80's, I remember by buddy going on and on about how suprisingly great the breakfast was at Frans.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              stet Jun 13, 2010 10:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              You're not alone. I used to get the Frans Chicken Club for dinner from the Victoria St. location when I was working late. I never had a bad experience, but then again I never ordered anything different. A club sandwich is pretty hard to mess up.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Herb Jun 13, 2010 05:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I think the hate aimed at Fran's is directed by those who remember when Fran's was half-way decent. My guess, the last time was 1973. The new Chinese owners (came in about 15 years ago?) dumped all the classic Fran's dishes like That Salad with Mrs. Deck's dressing and replaced it with crappy pad Thai. The current rice pudding is a travesty of its former self!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              pinkprimp Jun 13, 2010 12:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I was born way after 1973 and I still don't like Fran's. Microwaved, soggy and chewy
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Tostito's with plastic cheese and a splash of salsa for $10? Even at 3am, thanks but no thanks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 13, 2010 05:37 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                That's too bad. I clearly remember many the Sat. night at Fran's at 3am enjoying fresh french toast with a side of perfectly cooked sausage.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                hungryabbey Jun 13, 2010 04:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                My childhood memories of Frans are as good as they can be. I LOVED it.. but after visiting a few times as an adult, I just.. I wont ever go near.. and if a friend insisted on it, I would eat as little and as simple as humanly possible (ie. fruit salad).. I wont tell you what we experienced there last time b/c Ill get deleted.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                munchieHK Jun 13, 2010 02:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                ROFL. Admitting to a penchant for Fran's here is like confessing that you kind of like a little child pornography on a weekend. I salute your stones, Sir!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ziggystardust Jun 13, 2010 02:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That being said, and thanks for the compliment, I don't have the "stones" to try Fran's renditions of pasta or Asian food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    TexSquared Jun 13, 2010 11:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't know what would need more "stones" for this board:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1- Admitting to liking Fran's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2- Admitting to liking McDonald's
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    or
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    3- Admitting to agreeing with Joanne Kates reviews!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Full tummy Jun 14, 2010 05:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I rate McDonald's above Fran's on food handling, quality control, just about everything. One may luck out with this or that dish on this or that day at Fran's, but you'll never see the worst of Fran's at McD's.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Chowhound Team Jun 19, 2010 08:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        A digression about the consistency of McDonalds has been split over to our Chains board: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/715199

                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Poorboy Jun 12, 2010 08:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dislike:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Springrolls - al of them
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Megas - on the Danforth
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  7 West
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Many of the Hotel Restaurants - only a couple of good ones in the city.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Likes/Quirks

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Many of the Greasy Spoons in the City - they are what they are and suit a purpose. I guess that gets me kicked out of the self proclaimed "foodie club?" I still remember the old Blue Plate specials at The Brown Derby (do Blue PLate Specials even exist anywhere?)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Sobey's take home precooked roasted chicken. Yes, it's not a restaurant.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Igbal Kebab and Sweet Centre

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Herb Jun 13, 2010 05:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Drake has daily Blue Plate Specials.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    TheNewTeddy Jun 12, 2010 09:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Worst ever:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Pizza Pizza at Jane and Finch.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ordered from home. They had "technical difficulties". Wanted 3 pizzas, two with BBQ sauce topping. 90 minutes after ordering, it arrived... No BBQ sauce. The delivery driver handed me a packet of BBQ sauce and told me to put it on myself (The BBQ sauces are not even the same). Beyond that, two of the three pizzas had the wrong toppings (beyond the sauce). I told him to take it back and he did. Called the customer service line, and they gave me a 25% discount, which was fair at this point... 90 minutes AFTER this, the pizzas finally arrived. I told customer service that 25% was a good discount... after the first hour and a half. Three hours for three pizzas? They did not even bother to put a rush on it. I will never order from this restaurant again.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Best Ever:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Pizza Pizza at Bathurst and St.Clair

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Order from work. They are always fast, 20 minutes or less, always have the order exactly right, always are friendly, sometimes they've given me free extra dipping sauces. They give me my pizza quickly and go (important as I'm at work) and the only times when I've had problems they were dealt with in a friendly, quick, and proper manner.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      magic Jun 13, 2010 05:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think some people are missing the theme of the thread here.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        TexSquared Jun 13, 2010 11:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Agree. This isn't a "worst of" thread (there are plenty of other threads that discuss exactly that)....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Shimso Jun 14, 2010 06:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And even if this were a "worst of" thread, Pizza Pizza wouldn't need to be mentioned because the cardboard with a eyedroppers worth of tomato sauce that they call "pizza" is undoubtedly awful.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 14, 2010 06:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I really love pizza pizza. It is not date food, or gourmet food but it is decent pizza. I really like their homestyle tomato sauce & NYC style pepperoni. And my kids actually prefer pizza pizza to other more expensive delivery, like Mamas and pizza nova

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      stet Jun 13, 2010 10:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Like:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I never understand the hatred for Burrito Boyz. I just don't understand the disconnect between what people expect and what they get. If I order a $6 burrito, I expect a $6 burrito. I call ahead and I get it quickly. It's close to work and it's a decent lunch for cheaper than most other places in the area. It's not fine dining.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Similarly, I'm a fan of the Corned Beef House. It's a little pricey, but the sandwiches are good and the host/cashier is always friendly, and always remembers me. It seems to get lost on these boards because of Caplansky's, but Caplansky's is too busy and too far away for my liking.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I like Penrose. It's probably a tradition and because I used to live around the corner, but I've literally never had a bad experience. My grandmother, who lived in Newcastle most of her life, also loved it, and I trusted her too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Hate:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Drake. I can't stand the clientele or the atmosphere or the mindset of the Drake. When I can't enjoy a meal because I'm so distracted by the other shenanigans, I don't purpose to be back. People on here seem to like it there, and I'll never understand it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        GoodGravy Jun 13, 2010 12:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I like the Corned Beef House. I didn't know people didn't like it. It's a pretty simple, solid spot.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          munchieHK Jun 13, 2010 02:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm with you on Corned Beef House, too. It is simple, unpretentious, good value and tasty, with no hipster attitude. What more can you ask?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            acd123 Jun 13, 2010 02:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            At what other smoked meat places in TO do you get "hipster attitude"? :-) Yitz's? Pancer's?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              munchieHK Jun 13, 2010 02:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Nope, thinking more of Caplansky in that regard. Also, Corned Beef House is not a smoked meat place, hence the name.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                stet Jun 13, 2010 03:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Despite Corned Beef House not TECHNICALLY being a smoked meat place, and despite the fact that they use Lester's MSM like most other places in the city, it always tastes better there than at other places, so I'll get it more often than not.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  acd123 Jun 13, 2010 03:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Caplansky's is a hipster place? That's really funny. Do you mean that you see young people in there? Now I know definitively, the word hipster is so overused and misused that is means nothing. And yeah, i know the difference between smoked meat and corned beef. I figured readers would understand that I was using it generically for deli.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                madhatt Jun 16, 2010 11:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I too like the Corned Beef House. I just wish it had Montreal prices. It's hard to justify $15 for a sandwich and fries lunch... though the baked fries are really good .. and free coffee! :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 13, 2010 05:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It is funny that the reasons you like Burrito Boyz are exactly the same reasons you don't like The Drake: to choose to accept a place for what it is. You like BB because you accept it for what it is: a darn good $6 burrito. I like The Drake for exactly the same reason. I like both the food there and the trying to be retro-cool. There are not too many other places in T.O. that have that same cool lounge-y feel and great food (love the homemade chips). But if you don't want that kind of atmosphere, than this is not the place for you. That is the reason for this thread, most places are not "good" or "bad" overall, just "good" or "bad" for you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  stet Jun 13, 2010 08:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That's what I was getting at. I can't handle the trying to be retro-cool atmosphere, so what you love, I hate. No big deal.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  AngelSanctuary Jun 13, 2010 09:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Same about the Drake, like everyone just feels so...pretentious. And why do I have to wait fifteen minutes for a seat? I was about to just seat myself in few of the MANY EMPTY SEATS!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  AngelSanctuary Jun 13, 2010 09:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Likes:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  New York Fries, I don't even care I've only really LOVE their poutine.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Chipotle, favorite mission burritos

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hates:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wanda's Pies in the pile of crap. Never have I felt so much anger towards a pie house. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh great it made me forget everything else I was going to say now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    JaclynS Jun 15, 2010 10:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    hahaha...I totally agree with you on the pie rage...but does it get love on here?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I love Swiss Chalet (aka The Dirty Bird) and I don't care who knows it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      millygirl Jun 15, 2010 05:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Funny I always thought Dirty Bird was KFC.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        duckdown Jun 15, 2010 09:53 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah, I thought Dirty Bird was KFC and Swiss Pigeon was Swiss Chalet

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 16, 2010 03:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          That is what I learned in school, too (seriously). Buuuut, while we are on the topic of KFC, if so many people hate it, why do so many people care about duplicating the taste of it on websites and books like Top Secret Recipe. C'mon, fess up, any REAL dirty bird lovers out there?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The Chowhound Team Jun 16, 2010 06:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Just a quick request that if people are going to get into confessing their secret love for KFC or Swiss Chalet, that you do so over on our Chains board: http://chowhound.chow.com/boards/32 It's specifically geared towards harboring your deepest, darkest chain-loving secrets.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Arcadiaseeker Jun 16, 2010 06:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I love love fast food - McDs, Swiss Chalet are my favourites. But I just caaan't eat KFC. For one thing it's, like, two bites of dry chicken and the rest is all bone (and bone from stunted freak chickens to boot!). What is the allure?? Now, that being said their potato salad is yummy in a gross, gummy way I can't resist.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                TexSquared Jun 16, 2010 08:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Exactly why I only eat KFC when I'm in the U.S. on business.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                In Canada, most of the (what I consider) proper menu is missing, the chickens are half the size (and even smaller for the "Toonie Tuesday" deals you see in certain locations), the coleslaw is completely wrong (that lime green mush?) and the prices are too high for what you get.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                American (proper) KFC is NOT "two bites of dry chicken", if it was then Church's, Popeye's, Chick-fil-A, etc would have put them out of business in their home country a long time ago.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I hate to go too far OT here but I thought it needed explanation. The problems with Canadian KFC date back to the old Scott's Chicken Villa days. Others have explained it more at length in the past (Embee seems to be the resident "historian" on the board).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I will give a general observation I have made elsewhere on the board:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If you want good food go to an independent.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If you want good service go to a chain.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mikeb Jun 16, 2010 08:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Church's may be coming back to Ontario. Their logoed sign is on the window on the SW corner of Dufferin and St Clair. Paper covering and request for resumes have been on the windows for at least a month now.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    GoodGravy Jun 16, 2010 09:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    +1 American KFC > Canadian KFC because:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    - bigger, plumper, juicier chicken
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    - buttermilk biscuits
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    - non lime green cole slaw

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Seriously Canada, why no love for buttermilk biscuits?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    To recap, I like American KFC and don't like Canadian KFC, so I eat at Popeye's instead.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      cubmike74 Jun 17, 2010 10:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Agreed. Popeyes is the only choice for fast food fried chicken.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        TheDewster Jun 17, 2010 11:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        True but are there any money no object great sources for fried chicken in Toronto/border areas.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          TexSquared Jun 17, 2010 12:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I wouldn't exactly call fried chicken a "money no object" splurge! But if you want to blow your money on it, it would be better spent on a trip to the U.S. to have KFC and Popeyes as they were meant to be. Just drive down to Buffalo...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          KFC and Popeyes in Canada use 1/2 sized chickens. KFC's sides are all wrong (you won't find those nasty greasy limp fries in America), and Canadian Popeye's don't quite get them right either (the rice is dry, the biscuits are tiny, etc). Maybe visit a Chick-Fil-A and Church's as well.... (I don't think they have CFA in Buffalo though)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            TorontoTips Jun 26, 2010 02:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If you find yourself anywhere between Detroit and Port Huron in Michigan near the border, look for "The Chicken Shack" for amazing lightly breaded retro-fried chicken (pressure-fried actually) and seafood with amazing "shack potatoes". One of my guilty pleasures on my US road-trips :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Full tummy Jun 26, 2010 02:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Pressure fried is the same way KFC does it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Arcadiaseeker Jun 18, 2010 05:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            There's Stockyards at St. Clair and Christie - not exactly going to blow the bank but it's a tad more upmarket than Popeye's. And the chicken is excellent.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              TheDewster Nov 22, 2010 07:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thanks for the tip superb chicken, the beignets were fabulous my new place for chicken!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        William Taft Jun 17, 2010 05:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        some random trivia: The Canadian version is actually kind of the "true" KFC -- at least historically.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Colonel himself sold off all the American KFCs in 1964, and moved to Mississauga in 1965 and lived here since then while retaining ownership and control over the Canadian KFC brand. He was actually pretty critical of the American KFC.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        He also sponsored part of the Trillium Health Centre in Mississauga.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JennaBean Jun 18, 2010 08:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Oh I love that nugget of info!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            duckdown Jun 18, 2010 09:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I remember being in the old Brampton hospital and there was a whole "ward" with the colonels name on it. I was like, what the hell?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JennaBean Jun 16, 2010 08:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I love the dirty bird! Twice a year I must eat it. Once in the winter and once in the summer. I always feel gross after I eat it, but it doesn't stop me from getting my fix!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          millygirl Jun 16, 2010 08:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Okay, I admit, me too! But probably more like once every 2 years. Sometimes driving by a KFC and getting a whiff of whatever that smell is, is enough to make me drool for some. But more often than not, we end up disappointed. Esp. the fries. They don't do well with take out. But I'll confess, I love their gravy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            JennaBean Jun 16, 2010 08:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I don't bother with anything but the chicken. For whatever reason I need my fix! Two wings and one breast twice a year without fail. So gross but so good!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        madhatt Jun 16, 2010 11:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm very suprised at how many people like Swiss Chalet here. The last couple of times I went, just the appearence of my chicken leg was almost enough to make me gag. This is at the King St. West location, near University.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm always forced into eating there for office birthdays and team lunches... as it's the "least offensive" restaurant.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  TexSquared Jun 17, 2010 01:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This is going to reopen some old wounds but here's one I needed to add:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Duff's Chicken Wings

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes I've had them in Amherst. Hated them. It's like having chicken with a tall glass of vinegar on the side. YUCK. More details here:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/9933...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Anchor Bar still rules in my book. I know the snobs will answer "if you don't like Duff's there's something wrong with you".... WRONG

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    skylineR33 Jun 17, 2010 01:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, Duff's wing is horrible.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      duckdown Jun 18, 2010 09:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Duff's is grossly overrated as well I agree. Not a fan

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        madhatt Jun 21, 2010 11:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        -1 Duff's, had the wings there and didn't understand the hype. The sauce tasted like Tabasco, with much more vinegar...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          jamesm Jun 21, 2010 11:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You mean like Franks red hot?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            madhatt Jul 2, 2010 07:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            No, Frank's would have been better...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        shekamoo Jun 19, 2010 11:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I third the well-deserved distaste for Duffs. yuck

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          TorontoTips Jun 26, 2010 02:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thank-You!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I completely agree!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Duff's (here in TO and there in Amherst) cannot begin to hold a candle to Anchor Bar.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          A bonus tip: order a well-done Pepperoni pizza next time to go with your wings and enjoy another of my secret guilty pleasures - Buffalo Style Pizza. (Note - it's Buffalo-style as in common to Buffalo, not anything to do with wing sauce). :-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            TexSquared Jun 26, 2010 09:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I am definitely familiar with Buffalo style and I love it. For those who don't know, it's sort of a New York-Chicago hybrid (makes sense given Buffalo's geographical location...). Make Chicago deep dish pizza but use a pan that's maybe 1/2 the depth, and using a New York style pizza dough rather than the Chicago kind.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Closest we have to that in Toronto is Pizza Pino in Ajax -- they put about as much cheese and toppings as the Buffalonians, but don't use the pan for the crust.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Beef on weck pizza at Pizza Junction in Tonawanda... wow....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          plasticanimal Jun 17, 2010 06:11 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I love Big Fat Burrito.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't love Allen's.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            juneplum Jun 18, 2010 02:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Good post !!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Love:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -Terroni (Balmoral)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -McD's sausage & egg mcmuffin - the Timmy's breakfast sandwich just doesn't compare
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -Shanghai Cowgirl -- especially the grilled cheese with avacado & jalapeno
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -Chipotle
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -Rol San on Spadina
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -Cafe Diplomatico - my go-to patio for pizza and sangria!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hate:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -Spring Rolls
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -Salad King
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            -Firkin pubs --> there are so many better pubs out there ! Rebel House and Queen and Beaver to name a few!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But when its all said and done, for those of us who love food .....I still think we live in a pretty darn good city =)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 19, 2010 04:51 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thank you so much for stating the obvious: that we live in a darn good city for food. If one were to read the majority of the threads here, they would think that we live in one of the most mediocre food cities. That is the whole reason I started this post; to voice my opinion about places being a lot better than we give them credit for. For example, the cupcake hate-on the CHers seem to have for Toronto. Its just a cupcake people! Personally, I love Short and Sweet on Ave. Rd. and the Cupcake Shop on Yonge. And while I'm at it, how can anyone possibly say anything bad about a fresh Bagel World twister (from the original location, of course).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 19, 2010 04:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Why Rebel house? I really like it. Although I do agree with you about the Firkins. I find them dirty, overpriced restaurants with mostly frozen institutional food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  madhatt Jun 21, 2010 09:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I believe the OP was suggesting Rebel House over the Firkin. +1 Rebel House, tasty beers & pub food at a reasonable price. Mmmm maple baked beans!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Full tummy Jun 21, 2010 12:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But who hates the Rebel House? What places do you guys love that others hate?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Toronto Fastfoodie Jun 21, 2010 04:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Everyone loves the Rebel House? Have we finally found a restaurant that (almost) all of us can agree upon? And with a Canadian angle to it? Woo hoo!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Snarf Jun 21, 2010 09:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I don't think the critical post was actually critical.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Arcadiaseeker Jun 22, 2010 06:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I for one do not love Rebel House. Food is mediocre. I would love to love Rebel House but alas the food always lets me down. I do still go there for atmosphere and beer.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            millygirl Jun 22, 2010 06:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Me too. Don't see what the fuss is about. Been there many times because hubby likes it, and it is convienent but they've managed to serve my egg bennys drowning in water more than once. Kettle chips are quite yummy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Googs Jun 22, 2010 05:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              You're looking for the great Rebel House food in the wrong place. The woman behind the first big smash hit of the gastropub trend moved on long ago. The lovely and talented Lili Sullivan is in PEC at East & Main Bistro. Fingers crossed, I'm going there this weekend.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                haggisdragon Jun 23, 2010 06:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've been a couple of times for lunch (East and Main) and enjoyed it. The lunch menu is simple and well executed. Service was great. The wine list has many great local bottles, but wines available by the glass are very weak. Next time I'm getting a bottle.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              estufarian Jun 22, 2010 06:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Used to be great. Food went DRAMATICALLY downhill early last year.But still great patio and beer selection.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JennaBean Jun 21, 2010 09:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I too like Shanghai Cowgirl and that grilled cheese!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      3. grandgourmand Jun 22, 2010 06:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Love might be a strong word, but I'm still a fan of Lahore Tikka house. Yes, I know it's greasy, but the kebabs have always been a favourite of mine. But I hardly go anymore. I can't stand supporting the excessive waste of styrofoam plates, cups and plastic cutlery. If we're paying 5c per plastic grocery bag, they should be forced to pay thousands for their landfill usage.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh, and given the recent attention paid to Allens on another thread, throw that one on the list of places I love. I don't go for $40 steaks (crazy). I'll go for the $10 burger or whatever it is and a nice beer. I've never had stellar service, nor have I had atrocious service. My only bad experience was on the patio at night and a raccoon was running around. I hate those things. I have very fond memories of Allen's. They used to have a salad with smoked duck breast that was a treat every now and then.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          garfield Jun 23, 2010 01:46 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Agree with you re Lahore Tikka. They do some dishes well - Kabab and Karahi Chicken.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          They are not fine dining and they do not pretend to be.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Shorttyred Jun 27, 2010 08:19 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Lahore Tikka House - LOVE the sizzling veggie platter - so great to have a variety of dishes and excellent to share, but i hear you on the styrofoam thing - i feel aweful looking at all those wasted dishes!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              madhatt Jul 2, 2010 07:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ate at Lahore Tikka yesterday for the first time, and also made note of the excessive styrofoam waste. The food was tasty, however. It could've been a bit cheaper, considering they didn't even have to wash my dishes afterwards.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            piccola Jun 22, 2010 06:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I really hate King Café, and I wish people wouldn't recommend it as a good veggie restaurant. Worst meal I ever had in a restaurant.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            On the other hand, I tend to love breakfast places hated on the boards -- Mel's, before it closed, and chains like Cora's and Boom.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I really hate Starbucks and their burnt coffee. I realize most people here do too, but generally speaking, it's a pretty popular place, even among foodies.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              haggisdragon Jun 23, 2010 06:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I love Starbucks, so there. I'm drinking a venti bold as we speak. Goes perfectly with my cigarette.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                stet Jun 23, 2010 06:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Because they're both carcinogenic? *drum riff*

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Full tummy Jun 23, 2010 10:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Maybe cause they're both burnt!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    haggisdragon Jun 23, 2010 01:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    that's more like it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Googs Jun 24, 2010 05:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    That's "rim shot", stet.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    piccola Jun 24, 2010 09:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    To each his own, right? :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      haggisdragon Jun 25, 2010 05:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Absolutely piccola.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. foodologygames Jun 24, 2010 08:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I love Terroni, too. Both the Balmoral and Queen W. one... had one of my birthday do's at the Queen W. backyard and it was great.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Heard good things about Sotto sotto & H.of Chan.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  But....
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I Love Phil's Original BBQ and, did ya ever connect Dim Sum with fast food? They're made minutes before coming out of the kitchen! You sit, the carts roll around and you get. Is that fast or what? mind you, I have a bias 'cause I did write a cook/guide book to dim sum. So there you go....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    shekamoo Jun 24, 2010 10:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    and you focused on dim-sum-on-wheels? I thought that was not the best sign of quality

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. shekamoo Jun 25, 2010 05:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I like St Louis wings, and I dont care that they are not Buffalo style. I dont like saucy wings.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      iheartpie Jun 25, 2010 06:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I like them now and then as well. Not the best wings ever, but my area seems to get coupons sometimes, so its not a bad option.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        shekamoo Jun 25, 2010 07:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        absolutely not the best wings ever, but I find Toronto a wasteland where it comes to wings that I like, so they become my go to option for wings

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. TheDewster Jun 28, 2010 11:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I like Baton Rouge their ribs were always great and their Creme Brulee cheesecake was better than most, other people bash them but the one in Vaughan has always been consistent good gumbo too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        duckdown Jul 30, 2010 10:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Actually I never hated Baton Rouge as much as everyone else either.. Sure its not southern BBQ but they don't claim to be either

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        crawfish Jul 30, 2010 04:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I hate School. Every time I go there (and I used to work in the area so many times) they mess up the order somehow. Someone gets there food late or not at all, it takes forever, etc. The food is actually pretty good but not worth it for the enormous hassle in my opinion. Should be warning at the door: weekday lunch will take 2.5 hours. And they actually deal with the blunders well too (comp something) but it happens every time so why go back?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          jnine Jul 30, 2010 12:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Love Chippy's because when I get out of the Trinity Bellwoods pool on a cold winter day with my kid, they have just opened for the day, its the perfect lunch. Fresh fish n'fries.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Love Swiss Chalet, because my Grandma has been taking me there since I was a tot, and we just celebrated her birthday with classic take-out chicken and fries. I added some local organic veggies to the meal. Everyone was happy, from 2 to 82.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Mandarin for crab leg festivals. Again, we can bring my grandma, and my tot. We fill up on crab legs and roast beef (but avoid most other things) my kid can have a sundae and watch the fish.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          McDonalds at Bayview and Eglington. This is the cleanest, newest McDs I've ever been to. My kid can play in the playland for 2 hours fueled by chocolate milk and fries. I can sip on unlimited diet coke for $1.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          So really, these places are less about the chow, more about family-friendliness. But being a devoted chowhounder....I can find some luv for the grub.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            food face Aug 2, 2010 04:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree with all of your I love's you hates jnine. Very tender. I have fond memories of the Leaside McDonalds as a kid. Perched high up there, sparkling and clean! I am a huge fan of Swissy too. So much so, my last birthday meal was there 2 weeks ago. It's nice because all my friends and family were content with the fries and chicken. Especially not going to a high price fancy trendy spot for yet another birthday. Good pics

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Took a while, but I've finally picked my two restaurants...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I love: Ceili Cottage
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I hate: Origin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Though, love/hate might be too strong in both cases.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I really have enjoyed my visits to Ceili Cottage and really have nothing to complain about (except the current condition of the Full Irish). Though others have had plenty to say! Been many times.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Origin. I want to like it, love the space, I think the food is just really nothing-special-to-bad. I can't figure out what I'm missing. I've been twice too and both times were pretty disappointing. Patio is lovely though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              JennaBean Aug 13, 2010 11:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I feel the same way about Origin. Boring and over rated food but a wonderful space.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              lamaranthe Aug 15, 2010 01:03 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              CMest bon was sooo disappointing. I ordered for delivery and it was very plain 'supposedly' chinese food. $30 wasted, never again.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                pluckypear Nov 21, 2010 10:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I agree that C'est Bon was horrid. I ordered it twice to give it a fair chance and still horid. I have yet to find a decent Chinese Food restaurant in this city. I have lived here for 20 years. And I am not expecting much either, just typical Canadian Chinese food but prepared well. I have tried the aforementioned C'est Bon, Sea-hi, Mandarin and so many more. If I do take my Mother out for chinese nosh it is to China House on Eglinton. At least the service is good and some dishes are not bad.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't mind Swatow when I go with a friend but the atmosphere is so fast food.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  TheDewster Nov 22, 2010 06:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Try Lai Wah Heen expensive but really good, I miss the Pink Pearl on Avenue accross from Hazelton Lanes took my dad there years ago he still mentions it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Toronto Fastfoodie Nov 22, 2010 06:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ok. So since starting this thread, I have to add a couple more to the list that people having been hating on lately: Local Kitchen and Loblaw. Love them both!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                First of all, Local. Was there last week for the chef's table menu with my 11-year old budding foodie for his birthday. We were treated like royalty and they completely indulged him and the food was beyond delicious. My favorite was the smoked gnocchi with rapini. My son's was the whole anchovy on toast with arugula (never saw that one coming) And for $50 each, we left stuffed to the gills...too full to even clean our plates.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                And as for Loblaw? I go to the one at Yonge & York Mills. It is always clean with a gorgeous selection of produce. The staff are really friendly and while they may not have the mad butcher skills of those at Nortown or Healthy Butcher, they certainly work their hardest and aim to please. Their doughnuts are some of the best in the city and there are not too many other mainstream grocery stores that can rival their cheese selection, along with detailed descriptions of many of them. And for a smallish store, they have a pretty decent selection of natural/organic foods. For me, the perfect combination of No Frills and Pusiteri's...when I am too tired or lazy to want to go to more than one place.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  magic Nov 22, 2010 07:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That Loblaw is absolutely first class. It always has been. For decades. Agreed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    TorontoJo Nov 23, 2010 03:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Agreed on that particular Loblaw. It's my local Loblaw, too, and I rarely have any complaints there. I find the produce guys particularly nice. The roast chickens there are a good deal -- $9.99 for a Beretta Farms chicken. Not bad for an organically raised chicken -- a couple of meals and a pot of stock later, and I'm happy. It's also a nice bonus that they carry small cakes from Rahier and Dufflet's when I have a sweet craving.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I haven't tried the donuts -- which in particular do you like?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Toronto Fastfoodie Nov 23, 2010 05:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The maple cream and chocolate cream are both great. I also really like how they on hand to slice any of the breads they have even though they do not have a big cake-decorating counter.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Another I love, you hate to add: Note Bene. Was there a couple weeks ago. The food is very delicious so I would have to say on that note, it is a great place. And it is gorgeous, too. And the actual service we received once we were seated was impeccable What makes it debatable, though, is the front of house service and the prices. They were 20 minutes late with our reservation and then seated us right next to the entrance to the kitchen even though there were other available tables in better locations. I politely complained and was very quickly moved. But if that was a possibility, why not seat us at the better loc in the first place? Also the prices seen a little inflated for the portion size, especially compared to similar restaurants. $80 for 4 shots of Premium Tequila...is that right?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Pincus Nov 23, 2010 09:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Tequila seems to be an "in" drink these days, so it looks like they are jumping on the bandwagon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          szw Jan 9, 2011 08:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It always seemed to me that Nota Bene was generally well reviewed in Chowhound, so why would others hate it?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Toronto Fastfoodie Jan 22, 2011 10:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ok. A couple new I love, you hate additions. Except the opposite. Am I missing something at Sky Blue Sky? It was dirty and freezing and my bacon and egg and mushroom sandwich came with rubberized yolks, canned mushrooms, soggy bacon. And the pulled pork poutine that my kids ordered came complete with no less than 1 cm of grease at the bottom. Yuck.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Also, Liberetto?? I mean, its ok and all but not worth crying tears of joy over. I found the pizza good but if I was blindfolded, I would not be able to tell it apart from a Terroni pizza. Bot that thats bad, I really like Terroni. Personally, I much prefer the ambiance, quality, and taste at Pizza Margherita.

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