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New Cooking Channel Reactions??

I know it's a holiday so most US residents are probably not yet catching the newly converted Cooking Channel on cable (was Fine Living). If you have seen some of the shows, what's your take?

I was stuck waiting for some people before going out this morning and caught a couple of the shows. Nothing horrible, nothing remarkable so far. Interesting to see shows I'm not familiar with. The first two were apparently Canadian in origin, so they could be from Food Network Canada and some of you may be familiar with them: Chuck's Day Off and Everyday Exotic.

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  1. I watched some of Chinese Food Made Easy and French Food at Home and liked them both. Although the camera work on French Food at Home drove me nuts. Narrow depth of field and the camera randomly going out of focus doesn't do anything for me.

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    1. re: driggity

      We've had 3 seasons of French Food at Home in Canada and I call the camera work on that show ADHDtv. It can be totally distracting.

      1. re: Pizza Lover

        French Food at Home recently won a James Beard Award for best cooking show (or something like that). Took me a while to get into it, but now I like it - most times I watch it I come away with some great ideas.

        Everyday Exotic I find a bit silly. Food looks OK, and Roger Mooking does great food at Nyood, but I don't like him as a presenter. The "obedient ingredient" term is just stupid.

        1. re: Dan G

          Roger Mooking used to be in a R&B band and he'll never. let us. forget it.

          1. re: stet

            I saw Everyday Exotic show yesterday for the first time and loved it. I thought his presentation was very up beat and cheery and his knife skills wowed me. He explains the why of what he's doing, as a good teacher should without over explaining. Don't think the title speaks to what the show is all about, but i'll watch it again till I get bored with it.

            I also saw David Rocco's show, "Dolce Vita" and recognized him from his old show, "Avventura." Liked him then and still do.

        2. re: Pizza Lover

          Are you speaking of the show with Laura Calder? Now I'll pay attention to the camera work.

        3. re: driggity

          actually i caught a few minutes of Chinese Food Made Easy yesterday, and the camera work on THAT drove me nuts. i didn't think the show was very good anyway so i lost interest pretty quickly, but even if i had liked it i wouldn't have been able to continue watching - all those extended closeups of food being stirred in pots and skillets were making me dizzy!

          1. re: driggity

            Not sure I know what you mean being out of focus, do you mean like the Nigella show and how they never show her walking in to the kitchen unless she's out of focus? That drives me bats, we all know she is an ample woman, why try to hide it from afar? Sorry didn't mean to get off on Nigella. About her though in general, I love her gusto for eating. Especially at the midnight snap moment when she dives into the frig with glee, then chomps down on what ever is in there that strikes her fancy, like yesterday she'd fried up the pork fat from the chops she'd made earlier then at midnight, went for the frig and grabbed the ultra uber crunchy segments of deep fried pork fat.......................blech........

          2. I've been unable to find it on my listings. We have Cablevision in Connecticut and from what I've read, I don't believe they will be carrying the channel. Not really surprised though, Cablevision has proven itself to be pretty lame....oh well...I was looking forward to it...

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            1. re: sibeats

              I don't know if this is the case everywhere but with DirecTV the Cooking Channel replaced Fine Living Network. So if you get FLN you might want to check that channel and see it is now the Cooking Channel.

              1. re: driggity

                Sadly Cablevsion has a different lineup than DirecTV...no cooking channel for us...

                1. re: driggity

                  Yea you're right, with the foodnetwork being on 231 on direct tv, the cooking channel is on 232, so very convenient for this foodie.

              2. I took a moment to scan through the program guide earlier today, and noticed that the programs today are new to U.S. television. The rest of the week's programing however, is chock full of Mario, Giada, Tyler, Emeril Live, & other TVFN older shows. YAWN.........

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                1. re: Herm

                  But add to what you think of as the dull older shows (personally I'm happy to re-view Sara's Secrets) some gems from the past like Galloping Gourmet and Julia Child and Company. I like the smattering of this and that approach.

                  No competition shows. No reality shows. Now that's refreshing.

                  1. re: MplsM ary

                    GG and JC were PBS shows. Could it be that the Cooking Channel is only drawing from FN's archives? I can't think of a case where an original PBS cooking show has aired on FN, and vv. Daisy Martinez has done some FN shows, but I don't think her original series has been shown there.

                    1. re: paulj

                      When it was newer and focused on cooking shows exclusively, back in the mid 90s, Food Network showed vintage Julia Child shows. Cooking Channel is showing them now, as MplsM ary posted.

                    2. re: MplsM ary

                      All networks today are really pinching pennies and quality new production is rare. Young hosts with little or no TV track record to drive up compensation are cheap. Nevertheless, if the production values are decent I have no objection.
                      It's a good sign that CC execs are allowed to pay for external (non-Scripps owned) content. PBS, BBC and others get a few nickels, CC viewers see some classics that are 'new' to some of us.
                      BTW the show 'Indian Food Made Easy' last aired on the extinct AZN network a couple of years ago. Also looking forward to the Two Fat Ladies!
                      Hopefully viewership will grow and with the right mix of advertising, more new production will follow.

                      1. re: DiveFan

                        Have already watched a couple of the Two Fat Ladies. Love those gals. Love them. They are adorable.

                        I have often times wondered where they get/got people to fill these cooking slots with this unfamous brand of cooking, ie. Ask Aida or Sunny Anderson or the lady that now hosts the "challenge" shows and has her "5 ingredients or less" show [and] did the Chefs vs City challenge with Kelsey or whatever her name was from the Next Food Network Star ***that didn't win***. How or why is she on that show? Adam Gertler also didn't win TNFNS but he's on several shows I notice too. Why have the execs not found a real different person to put on the network, one that carries interest at least. Sorry, I'm off topic here, back to basics and this thread.........ooops :+(

                        Anyway, I like your commentary on how these shows work, thanks for the info.

                        1. re: iL Divo

                          Mollenkamp (Ask Aida) comes from CHOW.com. She was a founding editor.

                          1. re: LindaWhit

                            who knew LindaWhit? certainly not I............gad, how far back does Chow go? I thought I'd been on here a long time, maybe not so long {?}

                            1. re: iL Divo

                              CHOW started in 2005, I believe; I forget when they acquired Chowhound - 2007 or 2008? And I recall a thread started when Aida got her TFN show that she was originally someone from CHOW.

                            2. re: LindaWhit

                              And she brings nothing worthwhile to the table.

                              1. re: pikawicca

                                Altho I wasn't a fan of Ask Aida on FN, the Food Crafters program on the CC has turned me onto several new food companies and food gifting orders. I'm glad someone's out there having a ball doing the leg work.

                                Yes, Aida is a CH and has posted a number of recipes on CHOW.

                        2. re: MplsM ary

                          Why I already love the Cooking Channel, three words: Two Fat Ladies! Saw two back-to-back episodes last night and they were both as fresh as new paint. So useful, so funny, so charming.

                          1. re: annabana

                            Me too- nobody's aired the ladies in years and I think I could watch the whole series several times in a row without getting tired of it. Also, FN used to be good. I look forward to seeing the old stuff again if that's what they're running.

                            1. re: annabana

                              Do you remember from years ago their Bubble&Squeak show? I loved it and love making their B&S even more. Thanks for reminding me.............
                              Sad that the silly ''over the top'' Jennifer Paterson is gone. Her humor was raw and lovely. They're so slopping those gals, love them.

                            2. re: MplsM ary

                              yep, the "challenge" shows on tvfoodnetwork drive me bats as well as ''unwrapped'' and others.

                              1. re: iL Divo

                                I can't stand nor could I care less if they can take blueberries and cabbage an mgd 64 and make a dish out of it! Who would eat that gunk anyway? I wish they'd stop that, it is exactly why I don't watch "Chopped". To boot the judges try to out do one another with their foodie knowledge. Its hilarious in one respect to see them all eat trout with rutabaga foam and claim its a great pairing. Seriously.

                                Ted used to be nice. Oh the pit falls of stardom.

                                1. re: chef chicklet

                                  that's funny. I love chopped just for the shear amusement of watching the contestants faces when they open their baskets. and where do they come up with these ingredients or more importantly, like you say, "why". who'd eat that cr@p anyway. my husband can't stand watching Geof Zakarian, he's so into himself it seems, but for me, I find him deliciously lovely to stare at. plus, I love Alex Guarn, I think she's beautiful, my husband, not so much...........

                            3. re: Herm

                              agree, I don't need more of GDL or TF or EL or MB. I feel as though it's temporary filler until something better comes along like maybe "new to everyone shows", not just the repeats from years gone by or obvious fillers.

                            4. I've been enjoying the shows I've seen so far. Interesting to see how paneer can be made at home.

                              1. I really liked the Drink Up show on tequila. Foodography on ice cream was a snooze.

                                One thing I did notice was a LOT of commercials

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                                1. re: DiningDiva

                                  Althought the commercials time slot is short compared to FN

                                  1. re: DiningDiva

                                    yah huh? there're like infomercials during the middle of shows, like again, fillers, but right in the middle of shows....................odd..........guess it's gotta pay for itself tho right?

                                  2. I enjoyed a number of them that I had on Monday afternoon - especially the ice cream show that showed all the new high tech methods of making ice cream and all the different ways people are using ice cream. I enjoyed Food Jammers too, trying to make homemade soda pop. "At the Table" with Chef Cat Cora was teriffic. I'm looking forward to more. It's a welcome relief from the Food Network's constant competition shows and and tired cooking shows.

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                                    1. re: housewolf

                                      You thought it was different from FTV? How? To me it was the same old, same old.

                                      Additionally, I thought it was very East Coast-centric and focused on a very young (i.e. under 35) audience.

                                      1. re: housewolf

                                        DD, you nailed it. Pretty young chefs for the impressionable 18-35 demographic.

                                        However, I'm pleasantly surprised of the show selection so far including the FN reruns. Aida Mollenkamp finally got a prime time show (Foodcrafters). Too bad the classic re-runs mostly run Very early - Sara Moulton at 5am? Likewise with Molto Mario.

                                        This AM they ran Julia Child & Company and the Galloping Gourmet - what a trip!
                                        Fell asleep during Giada ....
                                        Awoke to Nigella and Aida back to back - fully awake now.

                                        1. re: DiveFan

                                          I'm certainly not ready to write them off :-)

                                          I visited their web page today to see what was coming up and there are definitely some shows I'll be interested to watch.

                                          As I said upthread I did enjoy Drink Up and will probably make it a point to catch some more episodes. I also saw a couple of episodes of Food Jammers. Amusing, but didn't hold my attention for more than 7 or 8 mintues...oh, food nerds, doing sorta cool geeky stuff to food. Not my bag, though I 'd try their homemade soda. Seemed rather like Wayne's World Does Food. They need to remember that a decent portion of their viewers - particularly those with expendible funds - are over 35, and GASP, some are even over 50. Too many shows geared too young will alienate the viewship. Not to mention all the East Coast focus. Hello...we have pretty decent food here on the left coast, don't leave us out of the mix. (okay, done with the rant)

                                          There were some shows I wanted to see but they weren't on yesterday and it took a while to find the right channel in my market. I think if Scripps programs this channel more like they do HGTV (wide appeal covering all regions and all ages) it may be a hit.

                                          I am looking forward to seeing the At the Table episode with Cris Cosentino, tho.

                                      2. I liked Unique Eats. Wow Korine Boukom has lost a lot of lbs...or the show is old. ??

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                                        1. re: melly

                                          Not that it matters how she did it, but my husband and I are convinced she had gastric bypass. the weight loss is drastic over the last year or so of judging on ICA

                                          1. re: pickychicky1979

                                            i've never been a KB fan, but i feel compelled to set the record straight...her weight loss was not from something elective like gastric bypass. she was/is battling throat cancer.

                                            http://juliemenin.com/2009/03/karine-...

                                            1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                              how sad for her. i am not a fan and really didnt care one way or the other, but still wish her the best.

                                              1. re: pickychicky1979

                                                I looked her up to see who you were talking about and see no images, so I have no idea who she is.....

                                          2. re: melly

                                            is that show kinda like "the best thing I ever ate"? haven't watched it yet but have seen commercials for it upcoming

                                          3. Overall I'm liking the channel. It's like what FN used to be before the reality shows and competitions. It was nice seeing the old "Melting Pot" with what looked like a 13 year old Aaron Sanchez (Padma is tomorrow). They seem to be showing a little bit of everything for every interest group, and that's a good thing. Wish they could show some old "Frugal Gourmet" which got me interested in cooking in the first place, but....

                                            Overall, a great addition to the cable lineup. I don't miss FLN and the 3rd and 4th run shows they aired.

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                                            1. re: JohnE O

                                              I think they would have a sustainable channel by just airing all the old cooking shows people favor, low overhead too. Julia, Frugal Gourmet, Galloping Gourmet, Two Fat Ladies, etc.

                                                1. re: JohnE O

                                                  erm, not dying for the FG to come back as this was probably his undoing.
                                                  http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sour...

                                                2. It may be the time of day I've been "surfing" it, but as far as I can see, they could have called it the "Warmed Over Channel." Still, it's great to see old Julia Child shows again, and I'm tivoing the series. And I have one episode of Galloping Gourmet waitng for me to watch before I decide whether I want to collect that whole series.

                                                  But the thing that bugs me most is their "catch phrase. "Stay hungry!" How? By NOT eating their food? Just strikes me as a stupid saying every time I've hear it.

                                                  1. I'm loving it. I admit 9 times out of 10 I'll watch a dull cooking show before the news these days but I've been really happy watching the Galloping Gourmet among others.

                                                    I like Food Jammers too -- three stoner Canucks figuring out ways to make soda pop and cheetos with gadgets and such? Yah mon.

                                                    Lots of the programming seems to be Canadian. Is there a huge FoodTV movement up there?

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                                                    1. re: yumyum

                                                      For some reason those Food Jammers guys remind me of The Lone Gunmen trio from the X-Files.

                                                      1. re: JohnE O

                                                        Ouch. I see from the Canadian vs US FN thread that I'm the only person who likes the Jammers. They wear cool sweaters.

                                                        1. re: yumyum

                                                          I didn't mean for the comparison to be an insult. I liked the Lone Gunmen and I don't mind Food Jammers. It's a nice diversion from a straight up cooking show.

                                                          1. re: yumyum

                                                            sorry but to me, they are 48 thumbs down

                                                      2. After watching several more shows I'm actually getting more upset with CBS for not showing some of this stuff before, either on FN or Fine Living.......... or anywhere else, for that matter. I haven't had time to read through the Canada vs. US FN topic, but if most of these shows are now airing in FN Canada, it says something about the Canadian audience vs. US. While what I've seen isn't earth-shatteringly brilliant it IS head and shoulders above anything FNUS has added to it's lineup in a long time. I guess it's just further proof of FN's decision to go 'basic' in it's programming. If, however, this is really saying something about the average Canadian intellect vs. US, I'd like to revisit that day, back in the 60's, when I decided NOT to move to Canada.

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                                                        1. re: Midlife

                                                          Don't worry, Foodnetwork Canada is providing us with our fair share of cooking competitions, bake-offs and Iron Chef America.

                                                          Combine the US shows with Canadian content requirements and don't overlook the fact that all of the Canadian programming has government tax credits and we're not that far off from you guys.

                                                          1. re: Midlife

                                                            yea, a lot about Canada is way different from the US. Some of their shows up there are interesting because to me anyway, they're ethnic. I'm not a foreign cook so it's fun for me to view them from time to time just to catch their crazy accents or learn their way of doing things in the kitchen.

                                                          2. I watched Bill Granger last night. I was familiar with him but I don't think he's been on American TV before, has he? Very personable but I have to admit I had to strain a bit to understand the Aussie accent.

                                                            1. So far the reactions seem to be pretty positive. It will probably take some time for programming to settle down and for viewers to get a sense of how much there really is vs. repetition. So far, so good.

                                                              My cynical side wants to ask how this channel can work if FN had to go 'lowest common denominator', but I want to stay positive. I think, though, there's at least some obligation for serious viewers to support the channel if we want to see it be successful. There's nothing much beyond that to keep it from following the same path as FN.

                                                              1. i *just* remembered yesterday that the channel finally launched, so i tracked it down in my lineup. the good news - Time Warner here in San Diego had been carrying FLN, so they switched us over to the Cooking Channel. the bad news - when i tuned in to check it out, the first thing i saw was Mo Rocca. i turned it off immediately because he really gets on my nerves. i'll follow along with the discussion here on CH, and if any particular shows sound really promising i might have a look...of course i'm always happy to catch some vintage GG or JC :)

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                                                                1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                  I so agree with you GHG. The Voice alone puts me right off. I mute the commercials as a matter of course so don't have to hear him. Couldn't possibly watch a program he'd be hosting.....

                                                                  1. re: Gio

                                                                    i didn't even realize it was a commercial, i just saw him and changed the channel! at least we know i have quick reflexes.

                                                                  2. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                    agree, exactly what is a Mo Rocca? where'd he come from or is it another attempt PC? I think he and CoJo are cousins ;+(

                                                                  3. Just looked at today's program guide for *prime time* and, unfortunately, CC has run off the runway and plowed into the mud: Rachael Ray's Tasty Travels, BBQ with Bobby Flay, and Chefography on the Spiky White Haired Guy. Oh well, we should have expected that ....

                                                                    1. I see Rachel Ray will be on tonight at 10 p.m. Enough!! She was one of the reasons why I stopped watching FN. Giada's on a couple of times a day, then she's on the FN, too. Give me a break!! Emeril's everywhere. I liked the shows that used to be on Discovery Home better. Wish they aired them instead.

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                                                                      1. re: Toni6921

                                                                        I'm with you- I got so tired of RR and Giada and some of the v. annoying meals for $5 dollar shows that I stopped watching FN. I'm pleased with some of the new shows like Chuck's Day Off, like that Two Fat ladies is back but wish there were fewer of the FN standards.

                                                                      2. I have liked it so far, I could watch a cooking show while food network aired one of their many competitions. I have a question though, I really like this David Rocco's Dolce Vita show, but what are the peppers called that he keeps adding to his sauces?? Anyone know? Thank you !!

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                                                                        1. re: KathleenT

                                                                          i've never seen the show, but it looks like he has quite a few of the recipes on his website:
                                                                          http://www.davidrocco.com/recipes/

                                                                          1. re: KathleenT

                                                                            Peperoncini. You can use red pepper flakes instead.

                                                                            1. re: KathleenT

                                                                              well thanks to GHG for posting the link, I love it. I only see the word chili pepper so don't see what you're speaking of, sorry

                                                                            2. I really enjoyed the shows on 5/31, but now that it's been almost a week....why is Giada on three times a day during the week? And they are newer Everyday Italian, not even the old ones when she was stiff as a board. And Tylers Ultimate? He is on at 11 am on Food Network. Then Chefography about Guy Fieri!!!! The way I see it, the first day they aired was just a teaser. Now they seem to be falling back on defucnt FN shows and shows with the revenue generating hosts. I will be returning back to PBS and WETA Create TYVM

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                                                                              1. re: verminstew

                                                                                CreateTV repeats its daily set of shows at least 3 times, with only 2 hours (x3) of cooking. You can only watch Lydia or Chistina so many times!

                                                                                The CC line up for the next 4 weeks is available on line. It is obvious from that that they are airing a mix of old FN things (Melting Pot), some newer ones (like Chefography, Food Detective), lots of British (2 FLadies, Jamie, Nigella), daytime FN (Ask -Chow-Aida, Viva Daisy, old PBS (Julia, Galloping), etc.

                                                                              2. Did anyone really expect a full day, every day, of new programming??? I'm really enjoying the channel so far, though I do find I watch specifric things I've recorded more than I watch them as they're aired. That lets me pick and choose.

                                                                                Really got a kick out of the Two Fat Ladies shows I watched earlier today. Sad to know Jennifer is no longer with us.

                                                                                1. From what I have seen so far, it's all reruns which are the leftovers of the television world. Not enough to interest me.

                                                                                  1. I like British cooking programs and don't really care if they're old, so Rachel Allen Bakes and the Two Fat Ladies are fine for me.

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                                                                                    1. re: mnosyne

                                                                                      I used to tivo the BBC shows on food/cooking. loved them, their old crazy stoves/ovens and the way they use chipped bowls and bent spoons in their cooking style, nothing like the perfection we now see on our tv cooking shows. JO for instance, last night made shoulder of lamb on his lamb show. every time I watch him I wonder what old stuff he's gonna pull out next. last night, the disgusting looking gravy he made (honestly, did he really mean TO NOT put it through a sieve?) went into a very cracked and chipped serving bowl, I love that. to me, it's honesty at least. but the days of the BBC running cooking shows at least here for me, are long gone, darn it.

                                                                                    2. Most of the shows they air I have not seen, so I'm enjoying it so far. Not completely crazy about the Everyday exotic guy. But I enjoyed the episodes of Jamie at home that I saw this weekend. :)

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                                                                                      1. re: jujuthomas

                                                                                        I had never seen the Galloping Gourmet before - what a weird show!

                                                                                        1. re: SmartCookie

                                                                                          And a classic. I so wish Graham Kerr would write an expose of what went on behind the scenes there. But apparently he was loaded most of the time so he prolly wouldn't remember.

                                                                                          I admit to loving the new cooking channel. I'm just so happy that I can see cooking any time I want ... some better than others, but all comforting to me.

                                                                                          1. re: yumyum

                                                                                            There was (on PBS) an episode of BBC 'New Tricks' in which the team (of retired detectives) solves the old case of the death a tipsy cooking show host. It was a husband/wife team, where the wife did most of the cooking, the husband (the victim) ate and drank.
                                                                                            http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/newtricks/...

                                                                                            1. re: yumyum

                                                                                              I remember reading that he "found" God.

                                                                                                1. re: paulj

                                                                                                  I forget the name, but he had a studio-based cooking show in which he was an evangelist for his latter-day healthy lifestyle, complete with a live audience to ooh, ah, and applaud when he revealed how low-fat a dish was.

                                                                                                  1. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                                                                                    His latest venture was a home-menu help, something like the Dinner-ready Franchise system, but with an emphasis on healthy. I saw something about that a couple of years ago, though I don't know if it is still going.

                                                                                                    Here he is speaking to naturopathic graduates at Bastyr University (Seattle area)
                                                                                                    http://www.bastyr.edu/news/news.asp?N...
                                                                                                    I know little about the University, except that the surrounding state park (a former Catholic seminary) is a great place to hike and bike.

                                                                                                    1. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                                                                                      i remember seeing that one too - Graham Kerr's Kitchen? maybe... not sure. :)

                                                                                                      1. re: jujuthomas

                                                                                                        On the Graham Kerr Show, he espoused what he called "MiniMax" meals that were heart healthy. This was in response to his wife's stroke, then heart attack. I'm not positive, but I think I vaguely recall an audience reaction when he revealed the difference between calories in the 'original' version and the 'MiniMax' version.

                                                                                                        1. re: Midlife

                                                                                                          Yep, that was the shtick: He cooked the dish, then compared the nutrition stats to the traditional version, and the audience would gasp and clap. Back in the early 90s, TLC used to air it in the afternoons. (Inthe early to mid 90s, pre-FN, TLC and Discovery aired many cooking shows in their daytime hours.)

                                                                                                          1. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                                                                                            I miss those days on TLC, especially Keith Floyd's and Diana Kennedy's shows. I've tried to track down dvd's of the Diana Kennedy series several times and they just don't seem to exist.

                                                                                                            If CC would fill out its programming by digging up some more unusual stuff (maybe Australian and British show that have never aired in the US?) instead of rerunning so much FN dreck like Giada, Aida or Emeril Live, I'd tune in even more than I already do. About the only thing that I'm glad FN brought back is the original version of Tyler's Ultimate. I've also enjoyed Julia Child and Company and might even start dvr'ing Two Fat Ladies. Some of the programming that's new to me doesn't interest me much, but I have enjoyed Chinese Made Easy and couple other shows. I'm interested to see how this venture turns out. As it is, they've started off on fairly shaky ground with the vast amount of rehashed programming they're airing. If they bring in more programming that's new to me or figure out how to dig up old stuff that I'm interested in, perhaps from PBS or even the old Diana Kennedy shows from TLC, I'll continue to watch. But if they start recycling even more from FN that was uninspiring the first time around, I'll quit tuning in.

                                                                                                            1. re: agoodbite

                                                                                                              TLC used to air those Great Chefs of _________ (fill in city name) that were originally on PBS. I really enjoyed watching those again - chefs preparing signature dishes, both savory and sweet, in their own restaurant kitchens, with a narrator explaining in voiceover. There were companion cookbooks, as well. Those would be great programming for Cooking Channel, as well, I think.

                                                                                                              1. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                                                                                                Yes! I loved that series and watched it faithfully on both PBS and TLC. I can almost recall the name of the narrator, but not quite. What a great voice she had. I believe the series began in New Orleans, which would explain her distinctive accent. What I loved most was the insight I got on technique from chefs who had mastered their craft enough to have celebrated signature dishes.

                                                                                                                1. re: agoodbite

                                                                                                                  Okay, I just Googled: the narrator was Mary Lou Conroy. She does have a great voice, and a wonderfully calm and smooth delivery.

                                                                                                                  1. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                                                                                                    That's her and what a treasure she is. Thanks for taking the time to find her name. I've pulled up the youtube channel for Great Chefs - Great Cities. The simple narration and focus on the details of technique certainly nake me want to become a better cook.

                                                                                                                2. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                                                                                                  I used to have that show on all the time as background noise while I worked. A little bit interesting, but the presentation and pacing made it as exciting as watching paint dry.

                                                                                                                  1. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                                                                                                    You can actually purchase all of the cooking episodes on DVD as well as the cookbooks online at the Great Chefs website, greatchefs.com. They have their own YouTube channel and a lot of the video tutorials are uploaded for free viewing on the website as well :).

                                                                                                      2. re: mnosyne

                                                                                                        has He been missing all this time?.....................................................;+)

                                                                                                    2. re: SmartCookie

                                                                                                      oh, they have GG episodes? I'm going to have to check the schedule. what a RIOT! :)

                                                                                                  2. I think I just read somewhere that RR will have a new show on. I have to see if I even get the new chanel, I have Direct TV and have only watched Fine Living here and there. Isn't that (FL) where Emeril went when he teamed up with Martha Stewart?

                                                                                                    1. I love the Cooking Channel - it's like the MTV 2 of the Food Network. Like MTV the Food Network is recognizing the low production costs and high profit margin of reality shows - not the best news for the passionate cook.

                                                                                                      The Cooking Channel is more down to Earth and more adventurous than the Food Network; they shows that demystify how to prepare food from all over the world.

                                                                                                      1. Are any of the Cooking Channel shows original programming? Or are they all retreads from somewhere?

                                                                                                        I did enjoy seeing Julia Child make gravlax the other day.

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                                                                                                        1. re: NYCkaren

                                                                                                          I know at least Foodcrafters and Food(ography) are original. For U.S. viewers the Canadian cooking shows would be "new" in that they haven't been shown here yet (to my knowledge).

                                                                                                          1. re: NYCkaren

                                                                                                            I loved that one too. Plus, her chicken or was it turkey show, where she stuffed it? she ends up with all the ingreds on the floor or countertop but not many in the actual dishes. I ADORE her. my husband often times comes into the kitchen and says, "whatcha up to Julia?" messy, oh yea, I'm messy :+)

                                                                                                          2. I was under the impression that there would be new shows on this channel...it's disappointing to see some of the same old shows from the same people now on FN. I did enjoy Julia, Everyday Exotic and Melting Pot recently. I'd like to see Canadian Chef Robert Rainford, host of License to Grill...I used to be able to watch his show when I had cable but since switching to Direct tv, I have not been able to pick it up.

                                                                                                            One thing I noticed is that this channel airs the same shows more repetitively than FN and I'm bored already.

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                                                                                                            1. re: Cherylptw

                                                                                                              yea, his show was on, speaking of Robert Rainford right about the same time of day and channel that Cookin in Brooklyn was on. I miss that one a ton, maybe it's cause I spent a whole day with Alan Harding and he was a hoot.......................seemed to me anyway, a truly great guy.........CC, bring him on please................

                                                                                                              1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                I'd forgotten about Cookin in Brooklyn; I liked that show also...

                                                                                                            2. From what I've seen in the tv guide so far... I WANT to watch it, but they've yet to show anything remotely interesting to me. A whole day of 'grilling with Bobby Flay?' Snore. If I ever see anything more interesting in the guide, I'll give it a shot.

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                                                                                                              1. re: Kajikit

                                                                                                                If all you're seeing is Booby Flay you must not be watching when I'm watching. There are 6 or more US shows I've never seen and at least that many from Canada and what I presume to be the UK. Then there are the older US PBS shows too.

                                                                                                                I have no way of knowing how much it would have cost CBS to do 20 hours a day of original programming for this new channel, and I can understand how they've gone about it. I think, though, that the risk is just what your underlying issue is....... lack of interest. I can't say as I get why certain time blocks are so heavily loaded with old FN stuff, but they must have decided based on watching pattern of target demographics during the whole day. Personally, I watch mostly in the evening (7-11PM) and on weekends. Weekends seem to be OK, depending on the hour, but evenings (as least PDT) are a big yawn.

                                                                                                                This should be interesting as it progresses.

                                                                                                                1. re: Kajikit

                                                                                                                  Just checked tomorrow nights lineup - total Bobby Flay during Pacific prime time - yuck! Last week was the same, so it looks l won't be watching Fridays. I don't know which wierd demographic the CC marketing twits are targeting, but I can't figure it out.
                                                                                                                  You would think with the tons and tons of stuff in the FN vault they could be a little more imaginative ....

                                                                                                                  1. re: DiveFan

                                                                                                                    Looks like the better cooking shows are on in the mornings, so that gives you an idea of the target. Withou a DVR it could be a non-starter.

                                                                                                                2. So far I'm mostly enjoying it, although that's just an initial impression after watching a few shows. I like seeing some of the older shows, and think the old Galloping Gourmet is a real hoot. Everyday Exotic seems to offer some decent, flavorful recipes with multiple ways of using one ingredient. The one episode of Chuck's Day Off was fun, and it's been pleasant to have Jamie at Home on while I'm getting dinner ready. La Dolce Vita with David Rocco...mmmmm...food looks pretty good, too.

                                                                                                                  I'm a little disappointed in some of the mid-evening programming and hope they don't fall into the trap that Food Network has with Follow That Food and The Secret Life Of...what's the problem with showing some actual cooking in that time slot? It looks like Aida's show FoodCrafters is exploration of artisanal foods in that vein, which is too bad since I think she's talented and has something to offer as far as recipe development and teaching go. I haven't seen her show yet, though, so I'll reserve judgement. I have a soft spot for Mo Rocca from his Wait Wait Don't Tell Me role, but I found Food(ography) to be far too similar to those FN shows that I find so boring.

                                                                                                                  I'm looking forward to catching the French and Indian shows, too. All in all, a decent addition to the food media scene.

                                                                                                                  1. Caught a little of it, it's not living up to the promotions. Was expecting a lot of fresh content. Also, thought I might enjoy some of the older shows more, I guess I'm just hooked on hi def, and modern lighting, camera work. My attention span was about 30 seconds, sorry to say. I love Mo too, will watch foodography.

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                                                                                                                    1. re: MCFAC

                                                                                                                      The thing I found disappointing is that they have SO MANY ADS, mostly for their own channel! I really don't need to hear how great the 'new cooking channel' is every two minutes. I'm watching it, aren't I? After the third break in ten minutes I was ready to tear my hair out. Thank goodness for DVRs so I can zap all the ad breaks and not have to sit through the mindless babble.

                                                                                                                    2. I too enjoy the Chinese Food Made Easy, Julia, Two Fat Ladies, the very early Iron Chef series, and a bit of Jamie. However, my reaction to that obnoxious Mo Rocca is - mute the promo's. The wallowing around he does on the kitchen island only further solidifies his bufoonary in my book.

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                                                                                                                      1. re: mzsnowhite

                                                                                                                        I'm with you on Mo Rocca. I find his schtick and his voice very irritating.
                                                                                                                        today I watched French Food at Home, which was ok and Viva Daisy which I liked better.

                                                                                                                      2. I like it but think there is room for improvement as they have old FN shows that really weren't that great. I hope they don't follow FN's easy and quick style of cooking. I would like to see more shows that have actual cooking.

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                                                                                                                        1. re: hueyishere

                                                                                                                          ok, I can now say I am not impressed with the new channel, I feel it mirrors FN, I guess I just don't like all these "Quick and Easy" recipes and that new show "Bitchin something" sounds more like a comedy show not a cooking one.. I actually like to cook and enjoy it and don't like to have to rush through it.

                                                                                                                        2. Love it. It's a big improvement over Food Network in it's current form. Molto Mario, Jamie At Home, Giada, Emeril, Michael Chiarello, Juila Child, that new show about Indian cooking....and not a realty show in sight! :)

                                                                                                                          1. Is ANY of the programming on this channel new, original, or at least recent? I've seen promos for Everyday Exotic and I believe there's an Indian show as well. And then it's like Giada, Giada, Emeril, Giada, Giada, Bobby Flay. Excuse me while I fall asleep and wake up with my kitten dancing in circles on my chest.

                                                                                                                            I've yet to see Rachael Ray, and I was soooo disappointed after skimming the comments in here to find that her shows are actually featured on a New Channel. Blah.

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                                                                                                                            1. re: Glam Foodie

                                                                                                                              Most of the content is regurgitated FN garbage. Perhaps the group that owns FN and Fine Living Network (what the Cooking Channel was before) are trying to start of modestly in an attempt to recoup the presumed loss from FNL?

                                                                                                                              Also, you can't blame your kitten's behavior on CC. Cats are predators ;-)

                                                                                                                              1. re: agoodbite

                                                                                                                                As I've said before, the idea that CBS would come up with 100+ hours of new programming was just not something that would happen. I can't say that I understand why they show what shows at what hours, or when they repeat what, but I've found maybe possibly 10 shows I've never seen before on US TV (they seem to be Canadian, Aussie or British). I'm enjoying some of the re-runs like Two Fat Ladies, Graham Kerr, and such.

                                                                                                                                I AM quite disappointed that what they show in the evening hours is really just regurgitated FN stuff (and NOT their best stuff either). This has to be due to the network's idea of when their target audience watches most, and they can't show the same new (to the US shows) too many times a day it seems. With the help of my cable DVR, I get to see what I've liked, though that really is maybe 12-15 hours or so of those 100+ hours from 8AM to 11PM times 7 days. So.......... 15-20% of their schedule I like. About the same as NBC or Fox. Not too bad for now.

                                                                                                                                1. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                  I admit, I was naively thinking that most if not all of the shows would be brand new. I guess I was just hoping for some relief from the endless barrage of Rachael Ray, Paula Deen (who I used to love!), and Giada. Thanks to your post though, I'm going to check out Two Fat Ladies and Graham Kerry.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Glam Foodie

                                                                                                                                    On my cable system the number is 204, along with a number of other secondary documentary channels (as opposed to FN at 35, Travel at 36 etc). Since the others don't have a lot of original programming, I didn't expect CC to have much either.

                                                                                                                                2. re: agoodbite

                                                                                                                                  You make a very good point; I think they're trying to do just that. Can't blame them, but I certainly can't praise them for it either.

                                                                                                                                  And it's true! She was just doing her ADORABLE "Mommy, it's 4:00 AM and you fell asleep on the sofa, FEED ME PLEASE" dance.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: agoodbite

                                                                                                                                    I'm wondering if the channels are in kahoots! RR being seen doing her old Rachel travels or whatever it's called show is almost leaning toward the channel execs think we're not intelligent enough meaning main stream viewing in general.
                                                                                                                                    Now..... these are old shows and definitely not worth reviewing, is it possible that both networks are making financial gain together?

                                                                                                                                3. I [too] started a thread on this but a kind soul made me aware of the link to this so I see it's already been started. The Mods told me they locked mine but hoped they'd moved my comment from there over here [I don't see it though].

                                                                                                                                  So, I like it. It's one more chance for me to view all things about cooking-baking-kitchen stuff in general.

                                                                                                                                  I don't like the alcohol related shows akin to ‘’the thirsty traveler’’ or ‘’3 sheets’’ on our network but then I don't drink so of no interest to me. I do like several of the Canadian shows from TVFOODNETWORK.ca. I’m up in Canada a lot for work so I watch them with enthusiasm when I’m there. Only thing about TVFood.ca is that they do repeat a lot during any given day so it becomes monotonous.

                                                                                                                                  With this new cooking channel, yesterday for instance I viewed Graham Kerr and remembered watching him in the 70’s or 80’s when ever his show was on originally. Now I remember why he went off the air. If memory serves me, I remember reading something [way back when] about him usually being imbibed on the show. Yesterday viewing a segment, I remembered that. He was acting really odd and trying so hard to be funny and a bit sexual at times so I thought “ah that’s why I lost interest in him the first time around.”

                                                                                                                                  Love the Julia stuff and hope to see other shows on from yesteryear as well.

                                                                                                                                  1. Cooking Channel Reaction: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz......

                                                                                                                                    Nothing new and original. I'm now just into looking through my collection of cookbooks. I have decided that reading recipes adds to a wonderful imagination rather than look at rehashed (punny?) shows. The saddest thing is that I find myself actually missing Martha Stewart's show on FLN.

                                                                                                                                    1. i love it ,ostly because of La Dolce Vita with David Rocco

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                                                                                                                                      1. re: LaLa

                                                                                                                                        I like him too, his kitchen pantry/cupboard space is funky yes?

                                                                                                                                        1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                          Yes it is....I love the whole style of his show.

                                                                                                                                      2. our son and I were both in the kitchen all day 2 days ago, he doing inventory for work, me baking and cooking. I had decided to start taping Julia. when it came on, he said, "oh mom please don't force me, please, can we watch anything else." I put on an Indian cuisine show that was taped also so she could tape and I'd watch her later. her voice in those old shows I just love. gad the memories of watching those shows years ago and loving it today. she is hysterical how she cleans up after making obvious messes and corrects things she's trying to remember she has to say. her meals don't look appetizing to me when they're done, so far anyway, nothing she's made has captured my attention into wanting to make it myself, but the day is young...........

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                                                                                                                                        1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                          I have given it several weeks before posting an opinion in hopes that I would see some fresh, original programming. Up until now, that has not happened. I do enjoy Chinese food made easy but I started watching Ching on you tube some time back so even those shows are reruns for me.

                                                                                                                                          I have watched Everyday Exotic and actually tried 3 of Roger Mooking's recipes. They were all good. If I could just get around having to hear 10 times in one show "Obedient ingredient" I might survive.

                                                                                                                                          I have heard that there is an Indian food show as well but have not seen it in the listings yet. I hope that as time goes on they will expand their programming instead of old reruns from 02. It's just getting a luke warm from me at this point but I'll hang in and see what else evolves.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: Liveitloud

                                                                                                                                            I'm not sure that ANY of the shows are completely new. I'd be interested, if anyone knows for sure, if that's the case............... just from the standpoint of assessing the investment made in the channel. Not that buying the broadcast rights for whatever they didn't own already would be cheap!

                                                                                                                                            I've been wondering how so many posters seem to find nothing they've never seen on this channel and you've opened the door to that mystery.................... the computer. I thought I watched a lot of US cooking shows and there are many that I've never seen, probably the ones broadcast only in Canada, UK or Australia...... or on YouTube or similar.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                              Isn't Foodcrafters new? Aida had a 'Ask Aida' program on FN, but not this. Everyday Exotic sounds like it is a CC original.

                                                                                                                                              You can probably figure out the origins of all the other shows from the channel's web site. The host bios seem to be the place to look.

                                                                                                                                              The web site is also a good place to keep up with any new developments.

                                                                                                                                              http://www.cookingchanneltv.com/shows...

                                                                                                                                              1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to count noses right now, but I found this NY Times article that breaks some of it down. Looks like a number of shows ARE original.

                                                                                                                                                http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/21/din...

                                                                                                                                                1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                  Paul, Everyday Exotic is on the Canadian version of TVfoodnetwork. I watch it when I work across Canada. Seen it for a couple of years now.

                                                                                                                                              2. re: Liveitloud

                                                                                                                                                totally agree. that Indian show is very good and I enjoy the lady chef that is on it.
                                                                                                                                                don't know the name of it or when it's on, we have directtv so probably different times anyway.

                                                                                                                                                I have had my fill of SM years ago, no offense to her, but I've already seen all those reruns too many times already, don't care to rehash old stuff that I wasn't that fond of even then.

                                                                                                                                                funny to me watching EL the other day on the cooking channel. he said to the audience [paraphrased] "if you want any of these recipes, just go into that www dot foodnetwork dot com place, they're all there."
                                                                                                                                                I thought that was weird thinking they were separate but why would cooking channel let that other channel's name even be mentioned. makes me think they're connected somehow.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                  Check the link in Midlife's post just about. They indeed are connected.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: agoodbite

                                                                                                                                                    figures, I'm not surprised, otherwise how come they advertise each others channels?

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                      Just read that Michael Symon is fixing to get his own show on the cooking channel. Now this might be worth watching.

                                                                                                                                                      http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-h...

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Liveitloud

                                                                                                                                                        I saw that yesterday, they advertised about it on Cooking channel. It's called the making of an Iron Chef or something I think. I gotta get to Lola's.

                                                                                                                                            2. I really want to like this channel and I don't expect all original programming but come on...RR, GDL, BF, save me. For the love of all that is holy, save me. I have Rachel Allen, Jamie Oliver, Nigella, and Ching-he Huang on DVD already so I'm tuning in to catch people I can't pop in at a moment's notice. I like Anjum Anand (if she were on DVD I'd snag her as well) but that Everyday Exotic show just gets on my pecs. I want to like it but his presentation and that awful music...

                                                                                                                                              I like Chuck, and David, and the old epis of Melting Pot are fairly enjoyable (sans Rocco diSpirito) but I am not a fan of Julia Child or Graham Kerr so I just skip over them. And Laura Calder grates so nope, don't tune into her, either.

                                                                                                                                              Basically, it's an okay channel but the original programming is getting old right quick. I'm looking forward to the new Emeril (I have a soft spot for him, from his days hosting "How to Boil Water") and The Spice Goddess shows some promise. If they are going to dip into the FN archives I would love to see Michele Urvater just for kicks and maybe David Rosengarten. Those would be grand flashbacks.

                                                                                                                                              It would be sweet for them to dip into some shows that used to be on Discovery Home: Kylie Kwong, License to Grill, The Best, even Cookin' in Brooklyn, that was a fun little show.

                                                                                                                                              I think it shows promise but they have to be careful bringing back people who are already played out enough on FN.

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                                                                                                                                              1. re: fallwitch

                                                                                                                                                I like the Julia show for nostalgia but Graham is difficult for me to watch. Love to see that old snob David Rosengarten. I use to love his show way back when.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: scubadoo97

                                                                                                                                                  Kerr's old show is funny for the kitsch, but now I understand why Howard Stern's mother couldn't stand him back in the day. (Because my mother loved him). He is more about schtick than information in that show. Julia on the other hand, will never really be dated as far as the cooking goes.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: scubadoo97

                                                                                                                                                    I loved David Rosengartens show too, (Taste) got the cookbook, went to a brunch for a book & the cook event... to me he's one of the original "foodies"

                                                                                                                                                  2. re: fallwitch

                                                                                                                                                    "Everyday Exotic show just gets on my pecs. I want to like it but his presentation and that awful music..." yea, but I love his spice wall with those square glass boxes filled with all things holy.............................< or I mean whole spices

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: fallwitch

                                                                                                                                                      did EL do how to boil water? I thought he did the chef de jour show back when he was a baby and skinny

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: fallwitch

                                                                                                                                                        I'm waiting for Spice Goddess with great anticipation! the commercials have me really intrigued, I hope she lives up! :)

                                                                                                                                                      2. So far I like it a lot better than Food Network. FN jumped the shark for me a long time ago. I absolutely LOATHE stuff like "Unwrapped" which I now learn is their highest rated show. So even though they are retreading old hosts like Emeril, I am fine with that as long as he is actually cooking (as opposed to performing for an annoying studio audience). But yes, bring back David Rosengarten and other percieved "food snobs". However, knowing that it is owned by the same company as Food Channel makes me wonder when it will start veering away from food and toward game shows. Remember when MTV used to show music? Then they started M2 which showed music for a while until even that stopped. The ratings must be better with the game show format, but for me both became unwatchable.

                                                                                                                                                        1. my husband and I watched it for a few hours last night. he was surfing the internet looking for back yard chaise lounges and I was resting my ribs on the couch. what I realized about it is that they slip in [for lack of better phrasing] infomercials. there was one for sunsetter, there was one for "off" there was one for CLC and the meds you take for that. they seem much longer and continuous than normal commercials to both of us. while watching JC who's show was about hard boiled eggs [and boy has that subject been covered here on CH] as she was having as much trouble as I have peeling the dang things, right in the middle, without warning, poof, the informercial comes on. he says, "where'd she go, she wasn't done peeling." I said, "yea, I'm realizing that this network just cuts off wherever it wants with no rhyme or reason."

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                                                                                                                                                          1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                            Being anew 2nd string cable channel it probably sells ad space for less. I suspect the amount of time that it sells per hour is the about that same as other channels, though I'd have to time things for sure. Comparable shows on Create TV (no commercials) end up with 3 minutes at the end that require filling. While some commercial time may be sold by the source (FN), the rest is sold by your local cable channel. So judging a channel like this by its ads is probably unfair.

                                                                                                                                                          2. After I realized that there wasn't any new programming, and they were putting old Rachael Ray and Giada DeLaurentis episodes on, I stopped watching Cooking Channel as soon as I started.

                                                                                                                                                            However, I was flipping through the channels a few days ago, and wound up watching an episode of Chuck's Day Off. I really liked him. He seems relaxed, yet excited over the food, without pandering too much to his audience.

                                                                                                                                                            This morning I woke up way too early, and wound up watching the second half of Melting Pot while getting ready for church. None other than Padma Lakshmi was on, and I was a little taken aback: she seemed stiff, unnatural, and even a tiny bit nervous. I always think back to one episode of Top Chef where she said that someone (can't remember who!) had created a dish that was, "Pedestrian at best." That quote has always stuck with me, and for some reason I just assumed that her food must be *really* stellar if she was making comments like that.

                                                                                                                                                            What I saw her make was some wilted looking spinach dish that looked nice enough, but seemed completely underwhelming. And then she made strawberry sorbet, mainly by advising us to follow our ice cream machine's settings. Errrm... okaaaay. And at the end when she sat down with all her food, she flashed a small smile before looking stressed out again while the camera cut away. Very weird. She comes off as much more relaxed on Top Chef, maybe because she's not the one cooking?

                                                                                                                                                            So after Melting Pot FINALLY ended (not to be mean, but Padma's episode just dragged on), French Food at Home started. I had never seen it before, never heard of Laura Calder, and by the end of the episode, I decided that:

                                                                                                                                                            1. I adore her and her wry sense of humor;
                                                                                                                                                            2. I must have been living under a rock, after spending all of my 29 years of life being in love with French cooking and having made a lot of it during the past decade, and never once hearing her name;
                                                                                                                                                            3. I need to make her creme caramel with coconut milk and lime zest IMMEDIATELY. And then follow up with her seared halibut with brown butter, cumin roasted carrots, and mashed chickpeas with olives. Yum!

                                                                                                                                                            All in all, I'm okay with the Cooking Channel, so long as I don't have to watch any RR. I've found some real gems in Chuck and Laura (especially Laura! I want to invite her to dinner!), and I'm TiVoing the Indian food show as well.

                                                                                                                                                            I just hope we end up seeing some original content further down the road. Maybe Laura (OMG am I obsessed now or what? DON'T ANSWER THAT) will come back and make new episodes of her show, or maybe they'll get a new slew of shows in a similar vein as the re-runs they show now. That would be so great to say, and such a relief from FN!

                                                                                                                                                            Can I end by saying that I am sooo grateful for this thread, so I can geek out about my new idol in the safe space that is Chow, and not fear intense scrutiny and judgment? ;D

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                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Jadore

                                                                                                                                                              I agree, the French Food at home was pretty good. I kept thinking that the host was totally NOT annoying (and wasn't sure if it was just me). Didn't realize Rachael Ray was on there. Haven't seen her (or i would have changed the channel immediately). I really think there is no need for her at all since she is on seemingly EVERY other channel. When I said I don't mind retreads, I mean things like "Old School Emeril," Nigella, Two Fat Ladies and Julia Child.

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: jcmods

                                                                                                                                                                I know, it's so refreshing, being able to watch a cooking show where the food comes out on top, instead of being railroaded by an obnoxious host's personality!

                                                                                                                                                                And I fully agree. There's no need for her on there, but I'd guess they're using her to lure in viewers. For whatever reason, she's incredibly popular, and they probably want to use her as a draw, and hope that people stay after her show to watch the other offerings.

                                                                                                                                                                Isn't it awesome having Nigella and Julia on regularly? :) And I've yet to see TFL - I'll have to TiVo that one too!

                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Jadore

                                                                                                                                                                It's been interesting to me to see how many viewers either HAVE seen shows I've never even heard of, or at least haven't found shows they've never seen before. I guess things like YouTube and whatever access people have had to Canadian TV has limited the "newness" of Cooking Channel for many here. Actually, my own initial reaction was more about how often they repeat the same show, since I've never seen what's not been on US TV before. All in all I'm pretty happy with the new network's content.

                                                                                                                                                                But, Jadore, have you not seen ANY new programming on Cooking Channel? You must really have had access to a whole lot that never saw the light in California. At first it seemed to me that half of the shows were Canadian, British or Australian in origin. It was fine with me as I'd never seen them before and found them to be reasonably good.
                                                                                                                                                                Here's a link to a press release listing some shows that are supposed to be completely new: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/20... Is that not the case?

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                                                  Actually, I'd never seen/heard of at least half of the shows on CC. However, when I initially flipped through the listings on my TV a while back, all I saw was an abundance of Giada, Rachael, Emeril, and one or two shows that were unfamiliar but sounded boring. I was disappointed, and never actively looked for new content after that; I'm so sick of the Food Network, save for Ina Garten and Alton Brown, so I just remember turning off the TV in disgust, lol. I never really gave the channel a chance, until I started watching Chuck's Day Off one day. :)

                                                                                                                                                                  That being said, I'm happy with the content now too! I'm looking forward to Indian Food Made Easy, Two Fat Ladies, Chinese Food Easy, Everday Exotic, more Laura and Bill, plus watching Nigella and Julia regularly again.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Jadore

                                                                                                                                                                    I had 2 fat lady's tivo'd and watched all 3 of them early this AM, love them

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Jadore

                                                                                                                                                                      Glad you're enjoying it more. I was just reacting to your statement "After I realized that there wasn't any new programming...............".

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                                                        The Cooking Channel business model is all about cheap programming - take the shows that are collecting dust off the shelf, bring some overseas shows and call it a day.

                                                                                                                                                                        The novelty of watching repeats will also wear off and the Cooking Channel will morph into the Food Network2.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Pizza Lover

                                                                                                                                                                          "The novelty of watching repeats will also wear off and the Cooking Channel will morph into the Food Network2."

                                                                                                                                                                          That's my guess also. I'm saddened that the profit model aims to the lowest common denominator, but not surprised.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: agoodbite

                                                                                                                                                                            What programming would you put on a channel like this?

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                              I'd like to see keep developing the way has been. Some of the new shows premiering in the next while look intriguing. My fear is that this rendition won't prove to be profitable and that Cooking Channel will eventually be where all the extreme competition and dump-and-stir shows from Food Network will go to die.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: agoodbite

                                                                                                                                                                                there are so many ideas out there for good programming. I am in constant amazement by all the new shows that are of new interest to people. our youngest son, records all and everything fishing related, also the animal planet and all the food programs, which he deletes if they're repeats or whatever. my husband records all things news related and history based, like the history channel or Smithsonian channel because that's what he likes.
                                                                                                                                                                                For me, its all related to cooking or baking or kitchen stuff.
                                                                                                                                                                                I like the GF show on food network about ultimate recipe showdown and used to like the show calling all cooks. I did enjoy the Gilroy festival for locals making recipes using garlic and liked the ultimate burger challenge too but don't want shows about challenges all the time, that gets annoying.

                                                                                                                                                                                how about local cooks or local ingredients... not like a lyon in the kitchen with the local ingredients because to me that was boring. funk it up a bit, go out on a limb, another ming show, no thanks, emeril, nope, but maybe Vancouver cuisine or Las Vegas fair or, Kansas City bbq recipe of the week or a handsome man or a lovely lady [with a personality to match] that can cook.

                                                                                                                                                                                passion is important, not just a RR show about 30 meals where it's obvious to me anyway, that the motions are being gone through, no enjoyment there anymore. just my opinion

                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                                                          Ahh, I see. Yeah, sorry, I phrased that badly! Obviously there's programming new to me, and many others, but I'd heard it was outdated, and then I saw nothing but old FN faces, so that's what I meant.

                                                                                                                                                                  2. I'm going to add on to this already lengthy post and say that today I FINALLY figured out what's been bugging me about Giada.

                                                                                                                                                                    In 2007 I liked her. I thought she was pretty and knowledgeable, and I enjoyed the two or three of her recipes I made. I never watched her show regularly, and when I finally did again, back in late 2009, it had changed. I started watching it whenever I had a chance, and grew increasingly annoyed, but kept watching in hopes of rediscovering the Giada I'd once liked.

                                                                                                                                                                    Today I watched a 2006 episode of Everyday Italian on CC, and it hit me: DUH. The girl's a walking talking gimmick now. The episode I watched featured an arugula and acorn squash pizza, and would you believe she didn't over ennunciate arugula at all? Then she made tilapia with a purple potato crust, along with a rosemary chive oil, and it looked so good, I went out and purchased everything I need to make it for dinner tonight.

                                                                                                                                                                    There was no dumbing down of recipes, no schtick, no ultra obnoxious Italian pronunciations, and she managed to make the show about the food first and her personality second.

                                                                                                                                                                    Giada At Home is totally the opposite. Her recipes were never outrageous or wild, but they sure were a lot better than the stuff she makes now. One of her most recent shows featured a dessert that used a boxed cake mix! And is it just me, or does she use the same ingredients over and over again now? Mascarpone ("maaasss-carrr-pooonaaay!"), prosciutto, mozzarella, ("matzaaaa-DELLuuhh!), and some tired combination of orange and chocolate. I get it, those are traditional Italian foodstuffs and flavors, but not every show has to feature those items! The old Giada knew how to mix it up a bit.

                                                                                                                                                                    I guess the point of my rant is that the silver lining to CC replaying old programming is that at least I learned to like Giada again. Or, at least, I learned to like the OLD Giada again. Everyday Italian was a good show, and as Anthony Bourdain said, she can actually cook. I really hope that in the future, she can go back to what she was doing a few years ago, because that's what really made people stop and take notice.

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                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Jadore

                                                                                                                                                                      What's wrong with a boxed cake mix? I don't use them much myself, but then I don't make cakes very often either.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                        Sorry if my original comment came off as a bit snobby. To clarify, I have no real problem with cake mixes in general. In fact, I love Barefoot Contessa's Lemon Bar mix to pieces! But I guess what I dislike is the idea of using a cake mix on a cooking show. I turn to shows and cookbooks to get slightly more advanced recipes. I think most everyone knows how to doctor a mix; why waste a segment on a show doing that when you can show us how to create something way better from scratch? Just my personal opinion.

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Jadore

                                                                                                                                                                          Was it this episode?

                                                                                                                                                                          "Giada makes a special meal for Todd, Trevor, Tommy and Kelly that reflects some of Todd and Trevor's favorite childhood dishes. Giada gives the Midwestern classics her own special Italian/California twist.

                                                                                                                                                                          Recipes in This Episode
                                                                                                                                                                          Chicken and Cheddar Souffle
                                                                                                                                                                          Pancetta and Saffron Rice
                                                                                                                                                                          Todd's Orange and Raspberry Cake"

                                                                                                                                                                          http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/gi...

                                                                                                                                                                          What would be a better cake base for this purpose? One which would taste as well, and also be a learning experience? Oh, and in keeping with the episode theme, an improvement on a midwestern classic?

                                                                                                                                                                          The recipe comments are quite positive - except a few thought it was too sweet.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                            There's a myriad of white and yellow cake recipes out there! I don't bake much, but I'm sure someone like Giada has a better tasting cake recipe in her repertoire, considering she went to a French culinary school. And I'm sure the comments are positive; it's a cake with orange and raspberry, it can't be all bad! I just wish she'd leave the semi-homemade stuff to Sandra Lee, and stick to her own style.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Jadore

                                                                                                                                                                              Does anyone know whether this recipe is in her cookbook of the same name? All this speculation about why she chose to use a mix is just that - speculation. I'd like to read her own reasoning.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                she uses mixes a lot. her brownie recipes are often from a box and her cakes have been too. I've often times thought that she is riding the wave of SL's show, but then, she doesn't have to, she's classically trained in French cooking, so?

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                  Is there a great classic French brownie recipe?

                                                                                                                                                                                  The famous French pastries involve doughs like puff pastry, or Pate a Chou, and egg leavened cakes like genoise. Is there anything in class French baking that uses baking powder and is superior to American baking. What about Italian cakes? I've made one that uses polenta to give an interesting texture.

                                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.helium.com/items/921772-a-...
                                                                                                                                                                                  lists these traditional French cakes (no baking powder ones):
                                                                                                                                                                                  genoise
                                                                                                                                                                                  butter sponge cake
                                                                                                                                                                                  pain d'epices (spice cake
                                                                                                                                                                                  )Le quatre quarts (pound cake)
                                                                                                                                                                                  savarin

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                    There's no classic French brownie that I'm aware of, but there's certainly brownie recipes made with real chocolate and flour that blow mixes out of the water. Polenta in a cake sounds good though.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                      I did GDL's cake using corn meal. I liked it, but my husband didn't. funny thing was the thing that put him off was the grainy texture, oh well.

                                                                                                                                                                                      and since I know nothing of classic French cooking, I'm Norwegian and have never taken a French cooking class, my comment meant simply why would GDL choose to use a mix when she must know a better "from scratch" recipe { like maybe one like this] it wouldn't use any more air time than the "raspberry tainted" 'thing' she did for her hike with Todd.
                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.squidoo.com/cream-cheese-b...
                                                                                                                                                                                      I won't be making that one she made no matter how it came about, looked awful and dry to me, even on tv which you know, those food designers have their ways of making things look more appetizing, such as the use of Vaseline........ :(

                                                                                                                                                                                      I do own several mixes myself, because sometimes it is just easier and quick. if I need a quick solution, like for my singing group of which I've decided [last minute] to make treats for, I like to spice up a mix with my own additions but the start is easy because the brunt of the recipe was in a box.

                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                    Jadore and iL Divo are right. Her 'reasoning' is that the masses want Sandra Lee sponsored, Rachael Ray approved, quick-fix slop, and not food that takes *gasp* real work and time. Simply put, Food Network no longer cares about instructional shows and cooking that transcends dumping the contents of a box into a bowl. They want to create personalities that will garner ratings, and they'll do it by making a trained chef like Giada cheapen her brand in the name of becoming likeable and less intimidating.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Everyday Italian was a great show where the girl gave some solid recipes, with real Italian flair. She knew how to cook and wasn't so damn annoying with her speech. Now she deep fries Nutella and assembles California chopped salads while moaning into the mic like a moron.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I think the "speculation" is right on point: Food Network wants to replace real cooking with cloying "celebrities" that can better sell a new line of cookware, books, and whatever else they dream up. They've done the same thing with Paula Deen, who once gave us good, stick-to-your-bones Southern fare, and now they've McDonald-ized her and turned her into a one-dimensional joke. They struck it big with obnoxious Rachael Ray, they're doing the same with that viper Sandra Lee, and they'll do it again and again until people like us say "No, STOP, we refuse to be marketed to this way, and we won't allow our children to suffer from these jokes you call 'cooks' schlepping recipes not fit for prison inmates."

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Diamond

                                                                                                                                                                                      Way to hit the nail on the head Diamond!

                                                                                                                                                                                      Cake mixes don't belong on cooking shows. 'Offended' is a strong word, but I do get a little offended when people like Sandra Lee act like such items are cheap and easy alternatives and that elbow grease in the kitchen is something to be avoided. Baking from scratch is actually cheap, and better than using some crappy mix! It's this dumbing down and acceptance of lower quality food that irks me something fierce.

                                                                                                                                                                                      Frankly, I never liked Giada. I prefer Bastianach and Batali. But given her background, I'd expect a lot more from Giada than following in the footsteps of Rachael Ray.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: raspberry sorbet

                                                                                                                                                                                        'Dumbing down' is exactly it. In fact, there's another thread here on Chow where someone accuses Giada of doing just that. We are far from the only people who have noticed her transition.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Also, there's this whole glamorization of laziness that does not sit well with me. Julia Child came onto the scene to show Americans that there is an entire world outside of casseroles and TV dinners and monotony. She gave the message that with a little work and courage, you can feed your family and yourself in a way that satisfies more than just your stomach. Sandra and Rachael and the like are all helping un-do that mentality, by selling us food stuffed with preservatives and chemicals and laughing at anyone who would take the time to cut up their own vegetables, whip their own cream, and make a soup the old-fashioned way, without shortcuts. It's demeaning to what Julia and so many others, like Lydia Bastianach as you mentioned, have tried to do in the past several decades.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Maybe I'm too passionate. But when I think of the obesity rates in this country, and even welfare rates, I get really annoyed at public figures who favor sloth-like behavior over nutrition and know-how.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Diamond

                                                                                                                                                                                          Careful of offending sloths (like me) who make soup and many other dishes the old fashioned way.
                                                                                                                                                                                          :-)

                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: Diamond

                                                                                                                                                                                        Her 'reasoning' is that the masses want Sandra Lee sponsored, Rachael Ray approved, quick-fix slop, and not food that takes *gasp* real work and time.
                                                                                                                                                                                        ~~~~~~~~~~~
                                                                                                                                                                                        Except I would earnestly hope it's not Giada's reasoning....it's the reasoning of the people signing her paychecks (TFN). However - SHE has chosen not to tell them "no", so she eventually became part of the problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                          True. I think TFN is telling their big names to take a page out of RR and SL's books, because, HEY, IT WORKED FOR THEM! So now Bobby Flay is hosting a reality show and doing throw-downs and Giada's trying to become a brand, and Guy Fieri's on NBC doing God only knows what. Such a pity.

                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: Jadore

                                                                                                                                                                                  I really think the point here has very little to do with someone like Giada herself and much more to do with the management at Food Network. They are paid to do programming that makes money for them. Over the years the unfortunate thing for foodies was that the 'masses' (as in more audience = more ad dollars) liked the Giada you don't like. True foodies are in a minority. There are simply more people who like food contests than like true cooking shows. It's just the way it is. It's why we need to watch Cooking Channel even if it isn't 100% what we'd like to see. If we don't, it will go away or dumb down too.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                                                                    Let's also remember that the in studio cooking show format has been done to death. Really how many times can you watch someone make pasta?

                                                                                                                                                                                    The differentiation is the personalities that host the shows and even that has become very uninspiring. The Food Network is a business first of all and they had to introduce new shows in order to get a larger audience. The Cooking Channel will be no different.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Pizza Lover

                                                                                                                                                                                      agree about the pasta, and the way they often turn out, leave me lack lustered to be truthful. very simple in their origin which I find often boring.

                                                                                                                                                                                      I think she's adorable and know she has obvious talent. why though does she have to pronounce words like she does? "Spig=itti" or "um=meer=itti" I don't get it. just call it spaghetti and amaretti. she lives in Malibu after all, not still in Italy with her over enunciating way which drives me bats.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                        It's obviously a "tribute" to her heritage and might also be a means of not letting her audience forget who her grandfather is. I'm sure she and the network look at that as a major credibility factor for her. I find it a bit annoying at times, but there are words I use for things because of my heritage as well................ so I just cut her some slack on that.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                                                                          .......oh I'm not saying I don't watch her due to the way she pronounces, I'm only wondering if it bothers anyone else

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                                                                      How many 'true cooking shows' can you watch before becoming bored? Once you have the basics down, do you want to watch another show for beginners? I prefer shows that give me new ideas, and often then not, it's the exotic travel shows that provide that.

                                                                                                                                                                                      So far on CC, I've watch more Foodcrafters than any of the others.

                                                                                                                                                                                      For technique and recipe detail, I prefer print media to video. So a pure cooking show isn't that appealing, regardless of the personality of the chef.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                        I tend to use my cable guide to preview the contents of a show to see if anything is new or of interest to me before I watch. I must be more visual than you, so I go to print when I want to keep a recipe from TV or the internet....... or when I want to make something from one of the 40 or so cookbooks I've collected. Otherwise, if I have the tome, I enjoy the shows if they offer me something educationally. I have a rather high tolerance level for hosts, but I have my limits too.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                          sort of exactly why I've quelled on NL. she is very basic, I mean very basic. but she's gorgeous. I like her set and mostly love how she dives into the frig when the show's about to end, she's like a vampire how much she adores those 'last show' bites. I know, shallow.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I will say, I adore her hokey pokey, so kudos to her for a few recipes. her chocolate mousse is also divine.......

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                            "How many 'true cooking shows' can you watch before becoming bored?"
                                                                                                                                                                                            ________________________________________________________________

                                                                                                                                                                                            I equate it to white noise and although I watch a lot of them, I use them to go to sleep anytime I'm having trouble. I can be tossing and turning and then put on one of these shows and out like a light.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: scubadoo97

                                                                                                                                                                                              I used to watch Food TV all day (back in the David Rosengarten days). I find myself losing interest in the cooking channel, but one of my favorite shows is the one hosted by that Australian Vietnamese guy.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: jcmods

                                                                                                                                                                                                I love all the diff locations he cooks in! Much more interesting to watch than a kitchen studio show. His abilities are very special!

                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Now that I've had a few more weeks to watch I have more thoughts.
                                                                                                                                                                                        _ I'm in love with Julia Child all over again. I grew up watching her and I still think she's a hoot. They showed an episode where she made a tarte tatin and she completely failed to unmold it. The apples sloshed all over. She said "Oh well, too bad" or something like that. That would never go on the air now but I loved it!
                                                                                                                                                                                        _ I'm not sure what annoys me about Laura Calder but her food looks good.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: NYCkaren

                                                                                                                                                                                          I thought Laura Calder seemed a bit full of herself in the beginning, but now I feel she has a bit of a kooky personality that takes some warming up to. Her food is pretty good. I've made her lentil soup with chorizo croutons, pumpkin mousse, and easy apple tart.

                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Diamond

                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, I can see that if I watched her for a while I might grow to like her. I watched the episode with the lentil soup yesterday and it did look good. The whole baked onion on the same episode was also appealing. And neither of those dishes was something I've seen 10 other TV chefs make. I get tired of watching slightly different versions of spaghetti with meatballs or pork schnitzel.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: scubadoo97

                                                                                                                                                                                                +1 ............. she's quirky in an odd sort of way, but then there's also something about her that appeals to the dirty old man in me. Total package = pretty good! ;o)))

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: NYCkaren

                                                                                                                                                                                              I too love the old version of cooking shows that the French Chef provides. I watched her sweep her counter clean, on to the floor, and she often times can't find the right words, and like you said, that wouldn't fly these days, it'd be gone over and over again until she got it just right.
                                                                                                                                                                                              loved her show yesterday about strawberry souffle. gotta make one of those if my strawberries ever come back.

                                                                                                                                                                                            2. So long as they don't start showing us Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives, I'm a happy girl. Spice Goddess is great. I like the concept of Everyday Exotic but the host is grating. Seeing Julia regularly again gives me such pleasure, I can't even explain it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Diamond

                                                                                                                                                                                                This is why I can't decide to spend the extra 10 bucks a month to get the extra 50 channels which for me will essentially mean the cooking channel and DIY. I was never that nuts about Julia years ago and I think she's on at least once every Saturday on our PBS sattion if not twice. Graham Kerr, meh. So I guess it comes down to that guy's Day Off, and the Indian Goddess show. I always though that Padma spent mortime flashing than teaching -- but maybe it was just me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                But on occasion we've had DIY and I did enjoy it, especially the landscaping stuff though not enouugh to spend $120/yr on. Maybe I'll have to check it out for a couple of months and see how it works out. It's always best if the good shows are on in the middle of the night, then you can watch them quickly and when you feel like it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Diamond

                                                                                                                                                                                                  agree.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  someone on here mentioned that man on the everyday exotic using the phrase obedient ingredient which I'd never noticed until that person mentioned it on here, now I hear it every time he's on and it's grating. still love his glass spice wall, though my husband says it's too close to the stove it'd get very oil stained and would be hard to clean.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  watched 3 Julia's today and love her, just love her.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  watched 2 Fat Lady's today too, love them.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Clarisa is bright and worldly and Jennifer is of very old English royalty decent to me and I find her gawdy and delightfully funny with a bit of bizarre tossed in

                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Chuck Hughes, David Rocco, Bill Granger. Granted these are older shows for many, but new for me. I could watch these three and easily feel the new cooking channel is worth it. On personality, kitchen confidence, simple menus and smiles (man they have great smiles) they have helped me enjoy food programming again. Ladies step aside, Chuck-David-Bill, you rock.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I like David Rocco but keep seeing the same two shows over and over.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Are they old? Are there more than 2 episodes?
                                                                                                                                                                                                    The one with the old singing friend that brings octopus and the one where he goes to the ladys' house and she makes a cake.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: iL Divo

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I've seen at least 10 episodes. My fav is when he cooks for his friend using wine..and the friend drinks most of the bottle beforehand. Also, enjoy the episodes with his wife Nina (I believe is her name). I hope CC runs his other show.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.davidrocco.com/

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm clearly late to the party regarding Mr. Rocco's charisma, but I really enjoy his casual approach to cooking Italian classics and sense of fun.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                        ...and I like that he's not a chef, so there's hope for us all :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Eater National has an item about Cooking Channel's fall schedule: it's full of Bobby Flay and Rachel Ray. To paraphrase the words of the immortals: "I say it's STILL spinach, and I say to Hell with it!!"

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: mnosyne

                                                                                                                                                                                                      ... well yea but your avatars pretty

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: mnosyne

                                                                                                                                                                                                        OK, I found the Eater National entry, and did not find any thing about it been FULL of BF and RR. It does mention a new show for each of them, but that is hardly what I'd call 'full of' - nless you are one of those people of find even one show a week from either to be toxic. Since these are new shows, there will probably be one new episode a week for 9 weeks. Even if there are a couple of repeats during the week, that still leaves plenty of time slots for other cooks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://eater.com/archives/2010/08/23/...

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Bitchin Kitchen, that's hilarious.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well pardon me for using extravagant language, but even one new BF or RR is too much for me!

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mnosyne

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I like Healthy Apettites...I find the recipes exciting and the chef is low key. It's the one fo the few shows that accents what's good for us!

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: hopegoode

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ellie Krieger hosts, right? I find her so pleasant to listen to. I wish her recipes were a bit more involved, but she's a delight.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. I haven't watched too much, but they need to stop blocking Chairman Kaga's subtitles with their logo on Iron Chef.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. I decided to try it out and am enjoying it over all. I had a litle knee surgery and got stuck in front of the tv for a couple of days. I got to see, and liked their Vitnamese, Chinese and Indian shows, plus recorded Bobby's Brunch program since I'm always looking for new breakfast ideas. At least it's something different to have on in the kitchen instead of the usual FN reruns during the late afternoon cooking hours for inspiration. Plus the extra $10/mo. also gave me DIY which I like as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. My biggest disappointment regarding a new food channel, Cooking Channel, is how quickly the individual shows have already begun to rerun. Is this new channel an experiment? Did the producers really expect to keep a "hungry" tv audience well fed over six episodes? Stop introducing new product and invest in the lineup. Reruns only excite for so long. Aida, visit more crafters, I can think of at least 40 "obedient ingre's" yet to make air....on and on.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                I hadn't really noticed that the original material was already in re-run. If it is, then that's a possible problem, though most of the US audience hasn't seen much of the shows that have come from the UK, Canada and Australia.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                "Is this new channel an experiment?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                From an upfront expenditure point of view, I'd say the answer is likely YES. When and how quickly the results come in should determine how much additional investment in new programming will be made. From the beginning I wondered how they could fill a full channel schedule from the get-go, so this mix of old US/new US/offshore isn't all that surprising. I guess these decisions are why they pay those people the big bucks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm a part of that US audience for whom these shows are all new to me (Bill, Chuck, David Rocco, etc.) and I've seen reruns in every case. As for completely new shows, also repeats. Disappointing in such a short period of (air) time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm not sure exactly what a re-run means in your element of concern. With 7 days in a week and even just the hours between 8am and midnight to fill, that requires around 119 full hours of programming a week. With most shows being half-hours mow we're talking 175 to 200 shows to provide. The cost of that is staggering so it has to have a crawl before you walk, walk before you run strategy attached to it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Midlife

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      David Rocco's show is 3 seasons alone by way of example. Certainly not every 1/2 of every day but how long has CC been on air? 6 mos? Considering the co. behind it, I'm just surprised.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Television "seasons" in the U.S. are almost always twice as long as TV "seasons" in other countries. A season (or series) in the UK and Canada is typically around 6-7 episodes, whereas a season in the U.S. is typically 12-13 episodes. So yeah, there's going to be less of the foreign shows to fill up all that air time.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It just reminds me of the Food Network in its infancy. Everything was in repeat after a few months, and they just kept putting new shows (either from other countries or in-house) when it was obvious they were growing and making money from the channel. Nothing new at all, especially for a 6 month-old channel on basic cable.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: yfunk3

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Still disappointed. Now that these UK/Canada programs are airing in the US the audience expectation is different. David Rocco's website and his page on the CC website indicates dozens of episodes. Bill has two shows. Chuck is filming. Aida needs to film. Nigella I've already seen on FN. Jamie at Home is a joy to watch. Both Indian gals are well into reruns. Obedient Ingred. guy needs to film. Etc.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I'll continue to tune in, I'm so bored by FN and what the channel has become that CC is a welcomed changed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Time will tell.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: yfunk3

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            A season (or series) in the UK and Canada is typically around 6-7 episodes, whereas a season in the U.S. is typically 12-13 episodes.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And a U.S. "season" used to be 22 episodes. :-/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              22-24 shows is still the norm for big network shows and sitcoms and such. I was just talking about most basic cable/paid cable shows, which seems to stick with the 12-13/season for in-house shows.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Not sure I'd blame a start-up network for wanting to wait for a bigger budget from the parent company in order to either produce more shows on their own or buy the rights to more shows to air. Every lesser cable channel has problems with re-runs. Even a huge, majorly profitable and big-spending cable network like Comedy Central still has major re-run problems. Buying rights to shows isn't as easy as it seems. Stuff like if there's music in a lot of the programs, you have to clear the individual songs/bands along with the basic fees/royalties for the show, when they can air it due to what shows advertisers want their ads to be connected with, etc...I'm sure it's more complicated than that in a lot of cases, especially if you're buying foreign shows. So I think I'll cut them some slack for re-running some of the more popular shows.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: yfunk3

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I was so over the FN, perhaps my expectation were a tad too high.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: yfunk3

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  What I meant was that networks used to order a full season and let them air vs. asking for 6 episodes as they often do now, with a "mini-renewal" of another 8-10 episodes for a "mini-season" only IF the show catches on. Yeah, I guess I can't fault a start-up station going small until they get more backing. But they're not exactly a start-up, per se - Scripps Network Interactive fully owns them - it's a "re-branding" of Fine Living Channel.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  But their business model was pretty specific: is a few heavy-hitters with new shows (Lagasse, Flay, Ray) with reruns coming from Canada and Great Britain as well as reruns of TFN's older shows.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Food Jammers annoys the heck out of me -- those guys seem like such obnoxious hipsters! But maybe I just have something against hipster dudes . . . But really now, the plotline of converting a file cabinet into a smoker to make pulled pork at work without the boss noticing was super contrived and silly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Loved the two episodes I've seen of Jamie at Home, though. Such a rustic and beautiful setting, with gorgeous, effortless and wholesome food to match.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: operagirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Now my college age son thinks thos guys from Food Jammers have a "sweet gig."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: operagirl

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Food Jammers is purely entertainment value to me... I'm not trying to learn how to build a gyroscope to roast a turkey over an open pit fire, or a vending machine for DIY tacos on the street, but I AM cracking up at watching these guys try to figure it out

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Have looked at this a few times in the past few days (becalmed by illness) and was happy to see Rachel Allen's Bake! (she carrying on her gran and mom's torches at Ballymaloe Cooking School) as well as Luke Ngyuen's Vietnam. Bill G's shows are pleasant too. Nice to see non-US shows for a change. (Sat through my first full Nigella, on chocolate cakes etc, a bit too much ooeygooey eyerolling and head throwing back for my taste, also her techniques seem a bit on the sloppy side). Far prefer this to FN.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Okay, was watching (and actually paying attention to) "Rachel Allen: Bake!" this past weekend, and it finally hit me: What is her freakin' rush? Where is the fire?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Honestly, she makes her dishes, and both she and the camera work/editing are an epileptic's nightmare. She's talking SO fast, rushing through everything. This particular show, it was Indian-inspired pasties or something like that, and I honestly couldn't stop saying (out loud), "Whoa. Calm. Down. Really?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I understand her enthusiasm, but...it's a little ridiculous. Not that I'm all for super slow and such, but if she wants people to see how simple and fun baking can be, this is NOT the way, imo. It seriously made me think if she and the show's entire production crew snorted a couple lines of coke right before taping and editing. I had to turn the channel after 15 minutes, I couldn't take anymore. It literally made me uncomfortable watching her. I know Brits can talk fast, but she was just beyond anything I've ever seen outside of the I Love Lucy episode where Lucy went to Buckingham Palace.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: yfunk3

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hmmm...you are not alone in your thoughts of Rachel Allen. My daughter and I have caught a couple of shows and had a mix of intrigue AND annoyance at the way she shuttles about. First off, her brouge was hard to pinpoint. She was speaking so fast, I thought she was from Belfast, but she is originally from Dublin--never heard a Dubliner speak like that! Anyway, she runs around her "kitchen" in such a rush--like the mom who needs to do every single task at once and with no help from anyone else. Hey--I come from an Irish family--the Irish are NOT known to be great cooks. I did like her episode on the baked potatoes though.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. What is going on with this channel? Too many FN people on here, really Giada THREE TIMES A DAY. No more Food Jammers on Tuesday at 930, only to be replaced by United Tastes of America? Why do we need another show with some dude going to restaurants??? Also, no more Cook Like an Iron Chef. Loved loved loved that show. No more current episodes of French Food, Chuck Hughes, Everyday Exotic, Bill's Food, Carribean Made Easy, Spice Goddess etc. Don't even get me started on Extra Virgin. Hollywood is still trying to find a vehicle for Debi Mazar I see......And to top it all off, I saw a commercial for The Great Steak Challenge Sunday at 5 pm. So much for requesting that they please not air competition shows. What next, some cupcake themed show? Upon seeing that commercial, I have officially fired CC from my dial and unliked them on my FB account. Sorry for all the negativity, but I had such high hopes for this channel. But like everyone else said, it was bound to become another MTV/MTV2.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: verminstew

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Go to the CC website, and the FN Canada site, and count the number of episodes that they have produced for each of your favorites. Have they shown the entire inventory? What's the typical number of new episodes per year for a show? 6? 12? 24?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I like Laura Calder's show. Her website states she's filmed 78 episodes, but there are no where near that many on the Cooking Channel. I keep recording each episode in the hopes they'll dig up a new one from the past.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The other CC shows have worn out their welcome for me: Dolce Vita, Indian Food Made Easy, Spice Goddess. I finally stopped recording Rachel Allen when I realized I just wasn't interested in anything she was baking (and I like to bake).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I am watching Jaime's Food Escapes, which is ok, but he seems to irritate me more in this show than usual. There's something about him in Spain and Greece that reminds me of the (over) stereotyped American traveler...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: emily

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  CC lists 2 seasons, 26 episodes. They play it 7 times a week, and a particular episode plays about 4 times in a month. You should be able to play your recording using the online guide.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: verminstew

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I watched Giada in Santorini and Crete last Wednesday (the first time I had watched a whole show of hers) and doubt I'll ever watch another. Gorgeous photography, but entirely too much gushing, and entirely too much scantily-clad Giada. She's built - and I enjoy seeing beautiful women - but it was just.too.much.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: buttertart

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I watched those on FN when they first aired. Is one of those the episode when the chef makes the shrimp with basil and squash? After I watched it, I had to kind of wing it because there was no recipe and it was SOOOOO good.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: verminstew

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The one with feta on the boat looked great too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3. I like that they have some shows that I remember from the early days, mostly two Fat Ladies and Melting Pot. Do they have the stones to rerun Molto Mario? I actually left work early a few times to watch that one.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I like French Food at Home and Luke's Vietnam.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: EWSflash

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Check your program guide closely - Molto Mario still runs (only :() at 4:30am Pacific time here, immediately followed by Melting Pot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. Love, love, love Luke's Vietnam and Indian Food made easy. Both showcase cuisines that I have very little experience cooking in, so I'm actually learning by watching. Chuck's Day Off is pretty good, too. I like the heartiness of his food.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I really tried to like French Food at home, but Laura Calder bugs me for some reason I can't identify :/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It's been about a year now for Cooking Channel and overall, I do like it. Food Network really has so many cupcake, giant cake, outrageously huge food shows on. Not to mention that on weekdays, there are hour long blocks of Paula and Rachael (yuck). It's just nice to have an alternative.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Edit to say that French Food at Home is one right now and I think I know what it is about her--she's kinda loopy, like maybe a few glasses of wine before filming? :D

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: alliegator

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I really like the food Laura makes. I picked up one of her cookbooks and have found it useful (it's all text, no food photos, so it's meant to be used not looked at). I'm usually a little loopy too so we're on the same wavelength.