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jamtart12 May 25, 2010 10:55 PM

We will be in SF for 2 nights in June (thurs & fri)
I had originally planned for us to check out the Bi-Rite Market during the day but now that I see it (and the Cremery) are open relatively late, i wonder if we should plan for dinner in the neighbourhood and then go for a few cocktails.
My question - is the area more fun in the day or at night and where should we consider for dinner in the neighbourhood? i'm trying for fun and not too heavy - we have many places to try in 4 days with the final night at French Laundry. Also, not asian as we have also planned for dim sum and slanted door.

thanks

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The French Laundry
6640 Washington Street, Yountville, CA 94599

Bi-Rite Market
3639 18th St, San Francisco, CA 94110

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    saeyedoc May 27, 2010 01:59 PM

    I went up to the Mission at night for my first time, alone, on a trip last fall. Was headed to Delfina. Initially got confused, started walking down Mission and quickly realized I was off track. I turned around and once I got on 24th? it was an easy walk and never felt uncomfortable. Had a great meal at the counter and had ice cream at Bi-rite.

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    Delfina Restaurant
    3621 18th St, San Francisco, CA 94110

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      vulber May 27, 2010 11:32 AM

      If you want a truly Mission-tastic experience, go to Bi-Rite Market and get sandwiches and head to Dolores Park in the afternoon. After you finish your sandwich, if you're up for it, go to the new Bi-Rite softserve window that just opened up. Shorter lines, and definitely the best soft serve in the city (their hard serve is excellent, but there's better).

      Enjoy the day in the park, then head to Range at around 5:30 and grab a cocktail and some appetizers. Head to Delfina for dinner (definitely make a reservation as far ahead as you can), then walk to Humphry Slocombe for dessert (a bit of a walk, but definitely the best ice cream in the Mission, if not SF). Another stellar option for dinner in the area would be Limon (like Delfina, no liquor license, but they have inventive soju cocktails).

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      Bi-Rite Market
      3639 18th St, San Francisco, CA 94110

      Delfina Restaurant
      3621 18th St, San Francisco, CA 94110

      Limon Restaurant
      524 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

      Dolores Park Cafe
      501 Dolores St, San Francisco, CA 94110

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      1. re: vulber
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        sfbing May 27, 2010 12:18 PM

        I would not recommend that a tourist unfamiliar with the territory walk from delfina to humphrey slocombe at night.

        Here is yet another suggestion: Afternoon lunch at a taqueria or Poc Chuc (you are in the mission, after all), a pastry at Tartine, browse Bi-Rite market, get some ice cream at Bi-Rite and hang out in Dolores Park. Afterwards grab some south indian at Dosa with a cocktail or two.

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        Poc Chuc
        2886 16th St, San Francisco, CA 94103

        Dolores Park Cafe
        501 Dolores St, San Francisco, CA 94110

        1. re: sfbing
          Robert Lauriston May 27, 2010 12:28 PM

          The walk from Delfina to Humphry Slocombe via 18th, Valencia, 24th, and Harrison is perfectly safe in the evening since the entire route is lined with busy restaurants, cafes, and bars: Cha Ya, Parea, Amnesia, Cafe Ethiopia, Mission Creek Cafe, Ritual Coffee Roasters, We Be Sushi, Radio Habana, Esperpento, El Valenciano, Senses, Beretta, Heart, Big Mouth Burgers, Cafe La Boheme, Napper Tandy, Philz Coffee ... to name maybe a third of the places along the route.

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          Ritual Coffee Roasters
          1026 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

          Delfina Restaurant
          3621 18th St, San Francisco, CA 94110

          Ritual Coffee Roasters
          610 1st St Ste 12, Napa, CA 94559

          Humphry Slocombe Ice Cream
          2790 Harrison St, San Francisco, CA 94110

          Cafe La Boheme
          3318 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110

          Esperpento Restaurant
          3295 22nd St, San Francisco, CA 94110

          El Valenciano Restaurant & Bar
          1153 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

          Cafe Ethiopia
          878 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

          We Be Sushi
          1071 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

          Napper Tandy
          3200 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110

          Big Mouth Burgers
          3392 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110

          1. re: Robert Lauriston
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            sfbing May 27, 2010 12:38 PM

            That's a lot of turns for someone who may be tipsy and not familiar with the area. It is also just as easy to take a wrong turn and end up in an area that is not so nice. A little advance warning even if the OP is comfortable in a relatively urban setting is always a good thing.

            1. re: sfbing
              Robert Lauriston May 27, 2010 01:05 PM

              From Delfina it's a right turn on Valencia, a left turn on 24th, and just around the corner to HS. It's pretty easy for a tourist to stick to those main drags since they're lined with bars, cafes, and restaurants and the sidewalks are full of people wandering among them, while the side streets are mostly dark, residential, and quiet.

              Bars, cafes, and restaurants have been proliferating in that area so quickly that the places database can't even keep up with them, e.g. I don't find entries for The Attic or Harrison Brewing.

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              Taqueria San Jose
              2830 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

              Amnesia
              San Francisco, CA, San Francisco, CA

              Boogaloos
              3296 22nd St, San Francisco, CA 94110

              La Santaneca De La Mission
              2815 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

              Mini
              3282 22nd St, San Francisco, CA

              Haus
              3082 24th St, San Francisco, CA

              El Valenciano Restaurant & Bar
              1153 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

              Javalencia Cafe
              920 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

              Heart Wine Bar
              1270 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

              1. re: Robert Lauriston
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                vulber May 27, 2010 01:16 PM

                I would agree with Robert exactly. I would replace Bi-Rite Creamery with Tartine in my earlier suggestion, on second thought, especially since you could bring it to the park with your sandwich unlike ice cream which would melt by the time you finished your sandwich.

                The one place one might turn onto that is well lit but not necessarily a great area is Mission Street from 24th street, but as long as one sticks to 24th street, shouldn't be a problem.

                Also note that DOSA does not have liquor. If you want an after dinner cocktail too though, you could go to Beretta (which has good food, but I don't feel it has the destination-worthy food that some make it out to have

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                Bi-Rite Creamery
                3692 18th St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                1. re: vulber
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                  sfbing May 27, 2010 01:19 PM

                  I've had booze at Dosa.
                  http://www.dosasf.com/download/DosaVa...

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                    vulber May 27, 2010 02:00 PM

                    i meant hard liquor. i dont' see anything on that list that qualifies as hard liquor

            2. re: Robert Lauriston
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              vulber May 27, 2010 01:17 PM

              Senses has been closed for a while

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                Robert Lauriston May 27, 2010 01:39 PM

                Oh, right, it's El Majahual now, right?

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                  vulber May 27, 2010 01:59 PM

                  nope, the restaruatn is still there collecting dust and mail

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          trespinero May 27, 2010 09:55 AM

          Probably best to do afternoon/happy hour Thursday and get a little taste of both. As said most bars along Valencia/16th area you would be hard pressed to find anyone older/drunker and non-white thus not really a dive in my book. As you move down to 24th and Mission that changes. I would go to Delfina Pizzeria for an early dinner, hit bi rite take it to Dolores park for desert and then hit the 500 Club for cocktails. This can be done in 2 - 3 hours and you will get good flavors of the Mission and all of it within a few blocks.

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          Delfina Restaurant
          3621 18th St, San Francisco, CA 94110

          The 500 Club
          500 Guerrero Street, San Francisco, CA 94110

          1. chaddict May 26, 2010 11:14 AM

            Really? Please try Humphrey Slocombe for ice cream. And then (or before) you can do Balmy Alley for the murals, El Delfin (sp?) or St. Francis Soda Fountain for food, Napper's for kick-ass Bloody Marys (if Lorna is working), and Dianda's Italian bakery for ? Or Mission Pie for walnut tarts.....And Philz Coffee!!!!

            All within blocks of each other.

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            Mission Pie
            2901 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

            El Delfin
            3066 24th St, San Francisco, CA 94110

            Dianda's
            2883 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

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              Calvinist May 26, 2010 11:21 AM

              If you went in the afternoon you could wind up at Range or Beretta for a nice cocktail or a bite right when they open (before they get busy).

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              bigwheel042 May 26, 2010 12:01 AM

              It depends on what you like to do. If you like hanging out in bookstores, parks, etc. then daytime is the time to go. If you are into dive bars then nighttime would be preferable.

              Hard to come up with good recommendations without an idea of what your price range and favorite things to eat are, but here are some in the Mission that get lots of recommendations here:

              Delfina
              Bar Tartine
              Range
              Limon
              La Oaxaquena
              Maverick

              Most of these except for La Oaxaquena are on the pricier side but there are plenty of decent, more inexpensive places in the Mission as well.

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              Delfina Restaurant
              3621 18th St, San Francisco, CA 94110

              Bar Tartine
              561 Valencia Street, San Francisco, CA 94110

              Limon Restaurant
              524 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

              La Oaxaquena
              2128 Mission St, San Francisco, CA

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              1. re: bigwheel042
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                jamtart12 May 26, 2010 08:34 AM

                Thanks so much for getting back to me.

                We like checking out food related items mostly - and I'm curious to see Bi-Rite and try the ice cream.

                We eat everything but we plan to go to Slanted Door one night and Zuni for lunch then we are going to napa for a couple of days and have a reservation at French Laundry so we just try to have a mix of cuisines. Price is not usually an issue, we just like a variety and I was hoping to go somewhere that is lively and fun. We like hip bars and kitschy bars but not necessarily "dive bars" so perhaps a daytime trip is best.

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                Slanted Door
                Ferry Slip, San Francisco, CA 94111

                Zuni Cafe
                1658 Market Street, San Francisco, CA 94102

                The French Laundry
                6640 Washington Street, Yountville, CA 94599

                1. re: jamtart12
                  Robert Lauriston May 26, 2010 08:43 AM

                  Most of the old-school dive bars in the Mission have turned into hipster bars, particularly along Valencia St., which probably has the most hopping restaurant and bar scene in town.

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                    vulber May 26, 2010 09:21 AM

                    The two most hipster bars though are not along that stretch of Valencia street, being Zeitgeist on Upper Valencia, and Bender's at 19th and S. Van Ness. Then again, hip is not necessarily the same as hipster.

                    For kitschy, it'd be hard to beat Radio Habana Social Club

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                    Radio Habana Social Club
                    1109 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                    1. re: vulber
                      Robert Lauriston May 26, 2010 11:00 AM

                      You'd have to work hard to find an unreconstructed dive bar in the area: McCarthy's, Doc's Clock, the Dovre Club, the 500 Club, the Phone Booth ... all made over. Clooney's is the lone holdout I can think of.

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                      The 500 Club
                      500 Guerrero Street, San Francisco, CA 94110

                      Dovre Club
                      1498 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                      Phone Booth
                      1398 S Van Ness Ave, San Francisco, CA 94110

                      Doc's Clock
                      2575 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                      1. re: Robert Lauriston
                        Robert Lauriston May 26, 2010 11:01 AM

                        Ha ha ha, of course Clooney's is the one place I mentioned that didn't auto-link.

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                          vulber May 26, 2010 01:40 PM

                          Mission Bar, Delirium

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                            vulber May 26, 2010 01:47 PM

                            Also; Pop's, Attic Club

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