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The Locavore May 24, 2010 10:08 AM

I keep hearing about induction and all the great things...has anyone had any BAD experiences? Regret putting it in? I'm a Huge skeptic, but I have to admit, I might be considering it in our kitchen remodel.

  1. c oliver May 28, 2010 08:41 AM

    I'm not being sarcastic when I ask 'what is it that you're hugely skeptical about?' Would give us a better idea of what to address. I went induction several months ago and love it. The only thing I would change is that my second biggest burner is back and right. I wish it were in front with the largest one.

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      dmd_kc May 27, 2010 06:23 PM

      I've cooked on induction few times, but I often want to tip a saute pan to concentrate heat in one area (like when a stir-fry is too watery and you want to evaporate a little liquid). This is impossible with induction. Not sure it's a deal-breaker, though, if you like the other aspects.

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        Chemicalkinetics May 27, 2010 06:27 PM

        Hmm, I have never thought on it, but you are correct.

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          tanuki soup May 27, 2010 09:23 PM

          Actually, I can do that on my induction cooktop. I just need to place the corner of the pan within the circle marked on the glass. FWIW, I've also used my induction cooktop to completely season a carbon steel evasee - I just rolled the sides and rim of the pan around on top of the element, which didn't switch off as long as some metal was in contact with it.

          Pic: http://www.chow.com/uploads/1/7/6/391...

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            Chemicalkinetics May 27, 2010 09:25 PM

            I would have thought the induction cooktop would consider too little metal and too little magnetic resistance and turned itself off, but I guess not.

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              dmd_kc May 27, 2010 09:32 PM

              Depends on the cooktop. On the friend's Wolf I've used, it required the entire surface of the pot to contact the element. No corner or ridge we tried worked -- period.

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                Chemicalkinetics May 27, 2010 09:39 PM

                dmd_kc,

                I see.

                These induction stovetops are designed to turn off for safety when the cookware is removed. Therefore, your friend's induction cooktop turns off at a lower threshold is not necessary a bad thing. It just means it is designed to lean closer to on the safety/reliability than on the convenience.

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          wattacetti May 27, 2010 09:09 AM

          I personally love induction but I went back to read your "range top redo" thread and if you want to have flexibility and have counter space and budget, why not look at something like Miele's CombiSets?

          CombiSet with gas (single and dual-burner)
          CombiSet with induction (single and dual element + induction wok options)
          CombiSet teppanyaki
          CombiSet salamander

          Gaggenau makes something similar though I suspect something much more expensive.

          And if that doesn't turn your crank, hook up both a four-burner gas and a four-element induction of your choice.

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            The Locavore May 27, 2010 10:58 AM

            Great insight, I hadn't thought of that or come across it. Thanks!

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            pabboy May 24, 2010 06:27 PM

            Not necessarily bad but here are things I've noticed:

            1. Obviously when it's out of the magnetic field so there is no induction so when I pickup to the pan to toss/flip the food it loses heat much faster than gas. The field seems to be 1" or less on my cooktop.
            2. The heating element will turn off automatically after a few seconds when it sense the pan is removed.
            3. The diameter of the heating element is smaller than the painted circle.

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              cutipie721 May 24, 2010 06:53 PM

              Not necessarily true. I can leave my pot away for mins before it turns off.

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                tanuki soup May 24, 2010 07:39 PM

                My elements switch off as soon as you lift the pot, but switch back on again (at the same heat setting) when you put it down. If you don't put the pot back down within a minute or two, the cooktop beeps and the element won't turn on again automatically.

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                  cutipie721 May 24, 2010 08:04 PM

                  ah, you're right. I miss read pabboy's comment as the whole cooktop turning off when the pan is away. Of course the heating element wouldn't turn on when the pan is not on the cooktop.

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                    tanuki soup May 24, 2010 09:37 PM

                    I can see pabboy's point, though. When you lift your pan to flip or shake stuff, you can't hold it over the flame to keep it hot.

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                      wattacetti May 25, 2010 07:37 PM

                      Just how long exactly do you hold it off the induction coil to worry about keeping the pan hot? If memory serves, metal once heated stays warm/hot and doens't immediately drop to ambient temperature immediately after removal from its heat source (induction/gas/electric).

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                        pabboy May 25, 2010 08:02 PM

                        Obviously it depends on what I'm cooking and the reason for taking it off the cooker. With gas and electric, the heat source is still providing heat. 4-5 seconds off does not make a difference. With induction, 4-5 seconds, not only is the pan removed from the magnetic field, my cooker turns off after 3-4 seconds. If I was using cast iron then heat retention isn't an issue. Most of the time I'm using All-Clad SS which has an aluminum core that readily gives off heat. In addition compared to cast iron, there is much less mass to retain heat.

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                          Chemicalkinetics May 25, 2010 11:46 PM

                          It is a problem espeically for using a wok though the wok is not the only problem. Several wok techniques require the users to constantly flip and movee the foods, therefore removing the wok away from the range.

                          This can cause the induction range to shut down, which is annoying to say the least.

                          In addition, this can cause the lifetime of an induction range to go down.

                  2. re: cutipie721
                    Chemicalkinetics May 25, 2010 11:35 PM

                    If your induction range won't turn off for mins after the pot is removed, then you are in serious trouble.

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                      cutipie721 May 26, 2010 07:23 AM

                      The induction coil turns off, but my cooktop unit stays on. When I remove my pot, the display would flash showing no compatible cookware detected. When I don't put the pan back onto the cooktop within a few mins, the cooktop shuts off. I don't really see this as a "serious trouble".

                      I can barely hold an empty pan with one hand, let alone tossing the content. :-)

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                        Chemicalkinetics May 26, 2010 03:40 PM

                        I see. So our problem is really the fact that you cannot hold an empty pan with one hand. We need to work on that. :P

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                          The Locavore May 26, 2010 06:32 PM

                          Thanks all. I have lots to think about. I appreciate all the input!

                2. tanuki soup May 24, 2010 04:56 PM

                  I've been using an induction cooktop for about 5 years now and LOVE it. The only negatives I can think of are:

                  1. Some pots and pans can hum or buzz at some settings. (IME, this isn't all that common, and the noise isn't that irritating anyway.)
                  2. If your pots and pans aren't perfectly flat, they can wobble or spin on the glass surface.
                  3. There is always the risk of scratching, cracking, or breaking the glass top.
                  4. My cats leave footprints on my black glass cooktop. (It seems they like to jump up there when I'm not around.)
                  5. There are times when I'm attracted to a piece of glass, ceramic, or aluminum cookware, but then remember that it's not suitable for induction. (This is becoming less common as more manufacturers introduce induction-capable lines. For example, I have a nice aluminum Swiss Diamond square casserole from their new induction series.)
                  6. I worry that I might do something dumb if I have to cook on a gas or electric cooktop, like forget that the handles and lips of pots and pans will get really hot, or fail to be sufficiently careful to avoid a fire, or expect the element to turn off automatically.

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                    cutipie721 May 24, 2010 01:16 PM

                    Reminds me of this

                    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/6819...

                    I personally loves my induction cooktop. I think almost all induction cooktops performs more or less the same. It is the small little details that may annoy people.

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