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Chicken Stock Question

When making chicken stock, what do you recommend: whole raw chicken, raw carcass, or carcass from a cooked chicken?
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  1. Roasted chicken carcass, preferably with the wings, feet, neck included.

    1. It depends on what you will be using it for.
      In Korean cooking whole raw chicken is preferred for most uses.

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      1. re: hannaone

        Whole raw chicken ... this is true in Chinese cooking as well.

        However, when the Chinese use whole raw chicken it's usually made into what Americans would consider "chicken soup" and not stock. In other words, the concoction made with the whole chicken is consumed directly, and not as a base for other soups or dishes (as is typical with stock).

        Is this also the case in Korean cooking?

        1. re: ipsedixit

          Here is an example of making both broth (for soup) and stock (for stews or braises)
          The first step results in a clear light broth used mostly for soups.
          The second step yields a heavy stock that can be used for various stews and braises.
          There is a third type that yields a milky broth/stock used in either soups or stews, instead of the eight hours for the stock, the cooking time is about 2 1/2 hours.
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          Dak Jangguk - Heavy Chicken Broth
          닭장국

          Ingredients
          1 3 pound chicken
          12 cloves garlic
          1 ounce ginger
          6 medium green onions
          1/4 teaspoon salt
          1/4 teaspoon fresh ground black pepper
          1/8 teaspoon white pepper
          1/2 cup rice wine
          3 quarts water

          Optional
          4 ounces daikon radish

          Procedure

          Preparation
          Cut chicken to fit your stock pot.
          Place the chicken in a clean sink, large pot, bucket, or other container.
          Add ice cold water until chicken is covered and soak for about one hour.
          Drain.

          Cut peeled garlic in half from top to bottom.

          Cut the green onion where the green pales into the white. Cut the white portion in half lengthwise. (Reserve the green for other uses)

          Cut the ginger (and daikon) in roughly 1/8 inch thick slices.

          Bring three quarts of water to a full rolling boil over high heat.
          Add chicken, return to a full boil, and boil for about two minutes.
          Remove from heat, pour off the boil water, and rinse chicken in cold water.

          Cook

          Place the chicken into the stock pot and add 3 quarts fresh water.
          Add ginger slices.
          Bring to a full boil and cook for 10 minutes.
          Skim foam as needed.
          Reduce heat to medium low, add the rest of the ingredients, cover, and simmer for 45 minutes.
          Carefully remove the chicken from the pot and set aside to cool.
          Remove the meat from the bones and reserve for other use.
          Strain the broth through a cheesecloth lined sieve, and discard the collected solids.

          Note: At this point you may use/save the broth as is for clear broth and continue the next steps with three quarts of fresh water, or for a more flavorful heavy stock continue with the clear broth.

          Return the chicken carcass (bones) and the broth (or 3 quarts fresh water) to the stock pot.
          Bring to a simmer over medium low heat, cover, and cook for 8 hours.
          Remove from heat then carefully remove and discard bones.
          Strain the stock into an airtight container(s), and refrigerate overnight.
          Remove the layer of solid fat from the stock the next morning.

          Store the stock for up to one week in the refrigerator, or freeze for later use.

          1. re: hannaone

            Interesting.

            Chinese people generally just preboil their chicken before using it for soup. I'm going to try the cold soak method you describe above sometime.

            1. re: ipsedixit

              The clear broth from the first step is often combined with a light kombu/anchovy broth to give a unique flavor to soups.

              1. re: ipsedixit

                I'm curious now. What does the cold soak achieve? I usually just drop the chicken into the soup pot with the water (and spices/aromatics) and boil.

                1. re: ozinboz

                  It is most likely a holdover from the days of no refrigeration in Korea. Meats and poultry were hung in the open air for a time before the sale and a good rinse/wash was used to clean the meat/re-hydrate the skin prior to use.

                  1. re: hannaone

                    Wouldn't preboiling accomplish the same thing?

        2. I have no preference; just depends on what scraps, bones and leftovers I have. I am too cheap to use a whole chicken just for stock.

          1. Agreed with hanna - depends on what you're using it for. Roasted carcass will have deeper, roasted, complex flavors. Whole raw bird will have very bright and very pure chicken-y flavors. Raw carcass is cheaper than whole bird and can have more gelatin (by weight of bird/bird parts used) than whole bird, especially if you add the wings to the carcass.

            1. I uses pieces I collect and freeze over time; Rib cages from boned breasts; necks, backs, wingtips from spatchcocked whole chickens. Always raw . I use darkly roasted turkey thighs and wings for turkey stock though, WITH the meat.