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DaisyM May 16, 2010 05:14 PM

Hi, Everyone:

I'm just starting to research a quick trip in the winter to Crystal River. We'll fly from Philly to Tampa. Just wondering is Bern's worth staying an extra night before going back home? It sounds like an interesting experience and we do love steak. Just wondering if it is something that shouldn't be missed. Thank you!

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  1. scubadoo97 RE: DaisyM May 17, 2010 01:12 PM

    I consider Berns the best bang for the buck in the running of expensive steak houses. Their steaks are aged prime as are most of the steak houses but they give you sides with your steak. Their vegetables are often grown in their garden. You will hear pros and cons on Berns. Are they the best? Matter of opinion. Seeing as you have to drive to Tampa to fly out it would not be out of the way. Crystal River should be a relaxing vacation. Lazy rivers, canoe trips, snorkel, dive and fish. I'd be eating some fresh fish from a shallow water fishing trip. Venture off shore for some bigger species.

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      herbert1 RE: scubadoo97 May 25, 2010 01:03 PM

      Any comment on quality of meat a Council Oaks as opposed to Bern's? Haven't been to Bern's yet, but the dry agred NY Strip at Council Oaks is one of the best steaks I have found in the area.

      BTW some upscale steak houses wet-age their steaks, I have come to the conclusion that dry ageing is by far the best way to go.

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        andy huse RE: herbert1 May 26, 2010 07:01 AM

        i did council oak once and wasn't that impressed. It certainly wasn't bad, but it didn't blow me away. Their prices are quite high compared to Bern's--- or almost anywhere else. You can easily spend $40-$50 on a steak, a la carte. Vegetables start around $10.

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          herbert1 RE: andy huse Jul 27, 2010 12:03 PM

          Went to Bern's for the first time last week, I agree with the other comments here, value wise it is very reasonable for the food, and the wine prices aren't skyhigh. Had a excellent meal overall with excellent service and a overall great experience.

          I wouldn;t say the steak was the best I've ever had, but it was above average, and again the overall experience was excellent.

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      andy huse RE: DaisyM May 17, 2010 02:45 PM

      i agree that Bern's is a great value in terms of food cost. once you start to gild the lilly with alcohol and extras, the bill can climb quickly. Bern's is also an entertaining evening. Once you get dressed up, have cocktails, eat steak, take the kitchen and wine tour, get dessert and coffee upstairs and play with your tableside stereo, you've had a memorable evening. if this sounds fun to you, then go for the whole experience and make a night of it.

      there is an alternative. stop by the restaurant when it opens for the day at 5, get a seat at the bar, and do the experience at the bar with less fuss. get a steak sandwich for $10. not on the menu, but quite good. i once ordered dinner for 2 at the bar (1 salad, 2 steak sandwiches, 1 dessert, and two beers) that cost about $50 before tip and is the best meal i ever had there.

      1. steakman55 RE: DaisyM May 17, 2010 05:35 PM

        It is indeed worth an extra day. One of the few restaurants in the US. I can say that about. I have eaten at all the major independent steakhouses in the eastern United States and all of the chains in multiple locations. I've been going to Bern's for more than 40 years. People do like to bash it from time to time, but of the dozens of meals I have had there, only one was not a "10"...(it may have been a 9)
        Scubadoo is right. Not only do they grow their vegetables organically, they dry age their own prime meat, roast their coffee, grow bean sprouts in a greenhouse, make their ice cream, and serve top shelf whiskey as their call brands.
        Don't waste time on the bar; go for dinner. The dinner includes soup, salad, potato and little sides of vegetables as well as fantastic onion rings. Don't over-order as the meat is closely trimmed and cooked over real charcoal. I would skip an app, get a 14 oz. NY strip or ribeye, garlic butter, onion soup, salad with blue cheese dressing, and ask for the sommelier.
        Their wine list is unequaled. There is a great wine by the glass menu, and it costs no more per ounce than had you ordered a whole bottle. It allows you to try,e.g. 3 different cabernets with the dinner.
        By all means, book a room upstairs in the Harry Waugh room for dessert and coffee. Try the King Midas (carrot cake with macadamia nut ice cream), coffee, and a good single malt Scotch. There is a modest tip (12% ?) added to the bill; I always leave more.
        You can tell that I go there as often as I can and drive many times for 5 hours from my house just to have dinner there. It is that good. Enjoy and I am jealous.

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          DaisyM RE: steakman55 May 18, 2010 03:33 AM

          Thank you so much for telling me. It sounds very special and I'd like to share that experience with my husband. We live in Philly and Bern's is very reasonably priced compared to our "best" steakhouse which is Barclay Prime.

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            askdrtodd RE: DaisyM May 18, 2010 12:12 PM

            OOH Barclay Prime, you just brought back a good memory :) Barclay, Le Bec Fin, Suzanna Foo, Buddahkan... mmmm.... I wonder if I can find a cheep flight up to Philly...?

            Also I've dined at Bern's a dozen or so times, it's an impressive experience, and I second steakman's reco on not over-ordering. My wife and I typically split a caviar appetizer (they have an extensive caviar menu, with some moderately priced options too), a Chateaubriand cooked Pittsburgh (medium rare center, of course), and then a desert upstairs, and we are completely stuffed.

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            andy huse RE: steakman55 May 18, 2010 01:40 PM

            "waste time on the bar"? I dare say that it is impossible to waste time at a bar--- unless you're not drinking.

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              steakman55 RE: andy huse May 18, 2010 04:24 PM

              You have a point, and I have been in Bern's bar many times; I meant merely that I would not go there and not have dinner

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            gfr1111 RE: DaisyM May 18, 2010 03:19 PM

            By all means, go to Bern's. It is the best steak restaurant I've ever been to and you won't be disappointed. I like the ribeye the best, but all the steaks are excellent. I recommend ordering a side sauce, all of which that I have had were excellent, although the steaks don't really need a side sauce.

            The other posters have really covered this restaurant well. (By the way, Andy Huse is our local food critic and an author of several books about Tampa history and dining.)

            I strongly recommend ordering the Bananas Foster. The showmanship of the tableside preparation is fun, but the real reason to have it is that it equals the superb quality of the Bananas Foster served at Brennan's in New Orleans. I understand that the dish was invented at Brennan's. Also, i should mention that you can only get the tableside preparation in the "old section" of the dessert room. The new section requires a step up which the cart that the waiters use cannot negotiate.

            Here, I've talked more about the dessert than the steaks, but the steaks are the absolute best thing!

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              DaisyM RE: gfr1111 May 18, 2010 03:59 PM

              My husband absolutely loves Bananas Foster and has had it at Brennan's! It is so cool that all of you feel such love for this restaurant. Special thanks to Andy. Hope all of you can make it to Philly sometime and try some of our great restaurants.

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                Robert R RE: DaisyM May 18, 2010 07:14 PM

                One other thing about Bern's is that it has the largest wine collection of any Restaurant IN THE WORLD - approximately 500,000 bottles. There is a restaurant in Paris called "La Tour D'Argent" that is the only other one that's even close. Bern's is one of only about 85 restaurants in the world given Wine Spectator's Grand Award (Three Wine Glasses), and was part of the initial class in the early 80's. Their wine list looks like a phone book yet is priced very fairly.

                The last time I was there, I had a glass of Dominus for about $19.00. A bottle of that vintage went for about $130.00 at bargain retail, so I was being charged actually less than retail for a generous glass. Another thing about their list is it has not only so many different bottles, but so many vintages of each wine. Bern's is a chance to try some very well aged wines available nowhere else in Florida (or anywhere for that matter).

                Be aware, the restaurant is very loud and busy. Not generally a place for a quiet, romantic dinner. The dessert room, on the other hand has some individual "pods" where the door closes for a good amount of privacy - and this part of the meal can have the potential for romanticism.


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                  Markcron RE: Robert R May 25, 2010 12:19 PM

                  I will emphasize that the MAIN reason to go to Bern's is the incredible wine list.
                  I was in Tampa for one night last Friday, by myslef for dinner.
                  I had a half bottle of a 1955 Bordeaux that was AMAZING, and did not break the bank either.
                  - side note - I was in Tampa to take possession of a car that I bought. I could have had it shipped (would have been cheaper), but decided to fly down and drive it back in part because I wanted to drink again from Bern's incredible cellar.

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                    DaisyM RE: Markcron May 25, 2010 01:22 PM

                    All of you have convinced me...we're staying over in Tampa for 1 night just to go to Bern's. Thank you!

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                      steakman55 RE: DaisyM May 25, 2010 03:09 PM

                      call now for reservations

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                        DaisyM RE: steakman55 May 25, 2010 06:17 PM

                        The website says that they only take reservations 3 months in advance. I have it on my calendar to call then. Thank you!

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                          askdrtodd RE: DaisyM May 26, 2010 05:49 AM

                          We went last night, just walked in, no problem. Chateaubriand was awesome, filet was just OK. Truffled mushrooms good but too salty. Caviar always a treat.

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                            Lauracooks RE: askdrtodd May 26, 2010 10:58 AM

                            The steak sandwich at the bar is a deal. I will often go to the bar and have the golden tartare full order as dinner. Bring your wine smarts because the list has some great hidden gems. best classic cocktails in Tampa is is worth a stop in the bar just to enjoy having a competent bar tender make you an old fashioned or negroni. Tableside ceasar salad second to none

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                              askdrtodd RE: Lauracooks May 26, 2010 01:16 PM

                              yeah i gotta stop ordering steak there, it just never does it for me any more. steak is so inherently boring anyway, not sure why I ever order it (until I have that first sip of cab, of course)

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                                DaisyM RE: Lauracooks May 26, 2010 03:50 PM

                                What is golden tartare?

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                Miss E RE: DaisyM May 27, 2010 02:57 PM

                We're going Sunday, first time in about a year--I can't wait! Caviar, here I come! I don't even eat meat, so the relative quality of the steak doesn't matter to me. That they have a way with fish at Bern's, I know; throw in the organic veggies in their delicious sides, and I don't need anything else. I'll come back and tell ya'll how it went...

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                  andy huse RE: Miss E Jul 27, 2010 02:23 PM

                  how did it go?

                2. stellamystar RE: DaisyM Sep 15, 2010 07:32 AM

                  Question - Re: Dessert Room -
                  We have a 7:30 PM weeknight reservation for two in the dining room (made online). Do we ALSO have to make a reservation for dessert room? Are we allowed to go to said dessert room after dining?
                  We're flying from Kansas CIty so, I want to make sure I do it up correctly.
                  Many thanks!

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                    askdrtodd RE: stellamystar Sep 15, 2010 09:23 AM

                    Stella- Yep. Tell them as soon as you get there, or just call ahead. Some people go to Bern's just to go to the dessert room. Make sure to save room for desert (this is why I always recommend splitting a steak with someone), and make sure to take the tour of the kitchen & wine cellar.

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                      rhnault RE: stellamystar Sep 15, 2010 10:30 AM

                      Your server or the host will ask you if you want to do the tour or the dessert room and then they coordinate the timing with your meal.

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                        Humbler RE: rhnault Sep 15, 2010 12:37 PM

                        Can you go to the desert room w/o having dinner? Someone told me you can't so we've never asked .

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                          askdrtodd RE: Humbler Sep 16, 2010 05:27 AM

                          I'm 99% sure you can.

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                            rhnault RE: askdrtodd Sep 16, 2010 07:38 AM

                            yep yep

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                            Miss E RE: Humbler Sep 16, 2010 07:48 AM

                            You definitely can. In fact, we walked in on an evening midweek without a reservation and did so.

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                              rhnault RE: Miss E Sep 16, 2010 08:43 AM

                              I have always wanted to do the walk in thing and have a burger at the bar and then hit the dessert room.

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                                askdrtodd RE: rhnault Sep 16, 2010 10:16 AM

                                u should do it!

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                                  Manderley RE: rhnault Sep 16, 2010 03:07 PM

                                  dessert room rocks. seriously don't miss their cappuccino. i was screaming YES YES YES like in when Harry Met Sally. No kidding. my mouth had an unbelievable experience. I needed a cigarette afterwards...and i don't even smoke.

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                                    andy huse RE: Manderley Sep 30, 2010 08:01 PM

                                    no reservations required. never had a problem getting a seat for dessert.

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                                Manderley RE: Humbler Sep 16, 2010 03:08 PM

                                you can but you might have to wait. dinner diners get first dibs on the dessert room.

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                                  rhnault RE: Manderley Sep 16, 2010 03:26 PM

                                  Yeah I have been there before just never done the burger at the bar thing

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                              steakman55 RE: stellamystar Sep 16, 2010 03:55 PM

                              Have the King Midas...carrot cake topped with macadamia nut ice cream and whipped cream. All home made of course. I also get some hot fudge on it. It's not overkill. With a cup of regular American coffee (I am a purist on coffee) and finished off with one of their many single malt Scotchs, say a Glenmorangie 18 year old. Cheers.

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                                stellamystar RE: steakman55 Sep 19, 2010 05:42 PM

                                oh boy oh boy! I can hardly wait the 3 weeks!!! I've already been picking out my menu and getting geeked out on table side Caesar salads and whatnot. yippee! Thanks, 'hounds!

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                                  steakman55 RE: stellamystar Sep 30, 2010 02:55 PM

                                  Here's my latest take on Bern's....tomorrow I am driving five hours and spending the night in hotel just to have dinner there. No need to see the menu. 14 oz. delmonico medium rare with garlic butter, blue cheese dressing on salad, onion soup, the potato and vegetables and splendiferous onion rings with whatever big bold red that Trey, my favorite sommelier, picks out for us. Maybe dessert, maybe not.

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                                    stellamystar RE: steakman55 Sep 30, 2010 04:08 PM

                                    oh, onion rings are my fav!!!! I'm giddy! This is going to be a big *deal* for us as most the KC steakhouses (we live in KC) are kinda eh anymore, so we're pumped for some Old School action! And it's a celebratory meal for me work-wise, so it's super exciting! Hope you enjoy your evening...!

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                                      Old E. RE: steakman55 Oct 1, 2010 06:20 AM

                                      If you are looking for a really interesting minor change, try the French dressing on you salad. Now, I know what you are thinking, but its not like that. It is REALLY good. Not like anything I've had. I would love to repilcate it, but I haven't quite figured out what is in it. You will just have to trust me. After all... would I steeer you wrong?

                                      P.S. - I think all threads should be 10 years old.

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                                        herbert1 RE: steakman55 Oct 6, 2010 07:22 AM

                                        Ask for Drew as your server, he's been there 29 years. One of the best servers I have ever had anywhere.

                                2. stellamystar RE: DaisyM Oct 18, 2010 01:49 PM

                                  OK - here is my take on Bern's....we went on Thursday evening - had reservations for two at 7:30. SHowed up at 7:20, seated promptly in a boisterous room of businessmen, family celebrations, date nights. Fun atmosphere. We were dressed per the web site instructions- (me, dressy lady outfit, hubs in jacket, shirt, dress slacks). 90% of other diners were jacket-less. Hey no thing for us, but just the way it goes nowadays, I guess.
                                  Seated, wine "catalogue" looked at - selected a $25 (yes, $25! decent pinot noir bottle). Our server was helpful, nice, and..well, the exchange was a bit odd. It was more like a casual conversation and then he would bring stuff back to us. Twice, I asked hubby "Did we actually order XY or Z?"
                                  Little cheesy crackers served w/ wine (thank GOD no bread & butter service - you won't miss it)
                                  Bern's tartare for appetizer - very nice.
                                  Split rare-warm center 25 oz POrterhouse w/ DH ($15 charge for split) - came w/ the onions (fab!), onion soup (fab), salad (fine), baked potato w/ works (fab). Ordered creamed spinach (fine) and the truffle mac & Cheese (fab).
                                  The dry aged meat was great. Got the gorgonzola sauce per our server's rec., which was VERY good - I wasn't expecting much in that dept. but at almost $4 per sauce, I was hesitant and was pleased

                                  Check comes, a little surprise by the automatic 12% svc. charge (I did not read this Chowhound thread close enough!), but OK paying it. We tipped another 20% since we were not sure of what to do...and esp. since I'm sure they tip out to about a zillion other people.
                                  Toured the wine room, kitchen (fascinating), and up to the dessert room we went...
                                  King Midas (per suggestion on here) was consumed w/ GREAT coffee (roast beans in house).
                                  No rush at all, and we were back to Hotel by 11:30. So, a four hour "experience.."
                                  If in Tampa, will go back again for sure. Be ready to drop some coin (two of us was $225 after all tax, service charge, and tip) Which is a lot for us.
                                  Great memories and great meal!

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                                    irwin RE: stellamystar Oct 18, 2010 01:56 PM

                                    32% TIP......
                                    Can I be your waiter?

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                                      stellamystar RE: irwin Oct 18, 2010 01:58 PM

                                      I am a "panic tipper" - it's terrible. I'm like "I don't know what to do" so I just start throwing money on the table!!! It's awful. (well, not for them). LOL!

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                                        scubadoo97 RE: irwin Oct 18, 2010 03:36 PM

                                        Yeah, I would have added another 10% max if the service was excellent

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