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May 12, 2010 01:12 AM

Dairy is bad for you? So much info out there, I don't know what to believe

Hi all, I just read this article:

I agreed with this doctor's criticism of the USDA food pyramid- that made sense- but I don't know what to think about his suggestion to cut out dairy.

I thought this maybe boils down to pasteurized vs unpasteurized dairy products- however, another doctor commented below the article that even raw milk is not a healthy alternative and leads to (among other things) "heart disease, diabetes, arthritis, cancer, auto-immune diseases, depression." Really? I understand large quantities of full fat milk and cheese may contribute, but she did not make the distinction between high and low fat dairy products.

Is there truly such a difference between A1 and A2 proteins in milk (A1 being dangerous and A2, usually from goats milk, is much safer


I googled this to try to find more info or some legitimate studies on this topic and I saw that this has been debated for a while now:

Im curious as to what you guys think...

(sorry if this has been brought up before- i searched the site and didn't find much)

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  1. Wow that is depressing. I'm about ready to try photosynthesis and just give up eating altogether. It's late and I'm going to check back soon and see what others think. Thanks for the info eviemichael.

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    1. re: givemecarbs

      no prob, givemecarbs :) Ive enjoyed reading everyone's input and it pretty much led me towards where i was leaning in the first place- Everything in moderation! (As if I eat anything in moderation...) :-/

      1. re: givemecarbs

        AH hahaha! Good one, givemecarbs!
        My comment on the original post? NEVER give up dairy. Osteoporosis doesn't just disfigure you, it can lead you to an early, painful death. Dairy is Still your best, most easily utilized source to ward it off.

      2. I know, a friend went to a seminar on gluten and came back preaching to me that gluten causes every disease and discomfort known to mankind. I know a few people recently seem to get some kind of severe reaction, but now everyone's jumping on the bandwagon, including pet food companies. I'm still in amazement that kids can't eat peanut butter far I'm ignoring it all.

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        1. re: coll

          Kids can't eat peanut butter? Oh for pete's sake....I also have the impulse to ignore it all out of sheer frustration that I can't make heads or tails of all the contradictory studies...
          It's just that I am trying to make an effort now to be conscientious about what I'm eating and to form healthier habits.
          But ever since I started researching I am reminded of my high school teacher's words of wisdom: "The more you know, the less you understand!"

          1. re: eviemichael

            It seems there are one or two kids in every school that have some severe allergy, and therefore the school can't serve it to anyone. And they won't use the sunflower substitute available because "one of the kids might see peanut butter somewhere and think it's OK to eat". Per the school nurse's orders. So sad!

            1. re: coll

              Oh I see! Now that you mention it, I've heard of non-peanut school policies mentioned before. I guess maybe some frightening incidents had happened before...?
              Peanut butter is dangerous for me too, but just because I can eat a whole small jar in one or two sittings...(Who am I kidding? One sitting).

              1. re: eviemichael

                I am happy to have a high school senior this year - she would have starved had the peanut butter ban been in place when she was in elementary school. PB&J was her lunch for 8 years. Cheap, filling, and no worries about spoiling.

                I want to know where the studies are that prove PB allergies are more hype than substance.

                1. re: jeanmarieok

                  My high school junior still took peanut butter and jelly sandwiches to school until about a month ago. His girlfriend has a peanut allergy and he said he doesn't want to have a kiss of death. Probably more info than I needed. Apparently, she got lightheaded when someone merely opened a jar of peanut butter in her vicinity. It's hard for me to believe she's that sensitive, but whatever....

                  1. re: Glencora

                    Lightheadedness sounds psychological to me....don't think that's an "allergic" reaction.

                    1. re: Glencora

                      i used to think that food allergies were all hoohah and made up but: My nephew is severely peanut allergic to the point that if you eat a pb cookie and give him a peck on the cheek he gets a huge welt. Immediately. It's not psychological. Glencora's son (Plantagenet or Gerald ;-)?) is being a considerate young man - even if a bit too "sharing" with Mom!

                      1. re: buttertart

                        I meant feeling lightheaded. My mother is severely allergic to many things, came on in her 40s, so I am aware of the usual deadly signs anyway.

                        1. re: coll

                          I agree it seems a bit farfetched but suppose it's possible.

                        2. re: buttertart

                          Food allergies are definitely not all hoohah. Several years ago I developed very severe hives. An allergist did a quick battery of tests and told me I did not have any food allergies. Subsequent to that an environmental specialist put me through several hours of testing and told me that I had developed allergies to beef, rice, and coffee. I stayed away from the offending food and the hives went away. Since then I lost the rice and coffee allergies, but retained the beef allergy - DAMN ! I used to love beef !

                          1. re: souschef

                            That IS a drag. So far so good for me on the food allergy front, but I have a severe reaction to the oil in mango skin because of several bouts of poison ivy I got at our cottage near Ipperwash Beach - the plants are related. Didn't know that, ate a mango by scoring the flesh and turning it inside out to eat off the peel - my face and everywhere I had touched were just big welts. A total mess. I can eat mango if it's peeled by someone else though.

                            1. re: buttertart

                              Yes, learned when childproofing my FL home that the sap from the mango can cause an allergic reaction too. Not all bad though, someone else needs to prep them for you, and you can still enjoy them!

              2. re: coll

                What no peanut butter? I know some children who have tree nut allergies, but why no peanut butter?

                Here's what I think, first of Hyman has some legitimate claims, but then Hyman talks about flour and sugar. In my opinion Hyman is an evangelistic. First lets take a look a look at flour. Flour is in almost everything. Bread also is refereed to as the "staff of life" Leviticus. I do realize some people have a gluten intolerance or celiac. I'm willing to let flour go, but a lot of people are not willing to give up flour lightly.

                Second sugar, less than one pound???!! Are freaking kidding me, that is ludicrous. Especially for an American. According to Hyman "The real advice here should be to cut down sugar intake from 185 pounds per person per year (what we currently consume) to less than a pound", that's less than 1/100 the amount of sugar. Come on sugar is in everything. Let alone fructose. Hyman might as well said don't drink juice or consume fruit. How could I give up fruit? I love fruit. Seriously, if my friends go out for fast food, what am I supposed to do. I think I'll take up photosynthesis.

                1. re: Bottomless_Pit

                  I'm pretty sure that Hyman's referring to refined sugar, which does not apply to raw fruit. Refined sugar is the actual sugar ingredient itself, like white sugar, raw sugar, etc.

                2. re: coll

                  I know people who have Shunned gluten, only THEN to become Seriously allegic to it.
                  Everything in moderation folks...unless it's additives or pesticides!

                3. Eat what makes you happy. You're gonna die anyway.


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                    1. re: Davwud

                      Yes, I know it all sounds very neurotic, and I'll probably just continuing to eat what feels right for my body...but I'm curious about this stuff.

                      1. re: Davwud

                        True, Davwud but many people do not eat what makes them happy. For example lets say someone has an intolerance to gluten and ate gluten. Everyone with a gluten intolerance gets a slightly different reaction to gluten. Lets say the person in question gets very subtle hints.

                        In the short run consuming gluten would make the person happy. In the long run the person could develop a large GI track problem. In the very long run the person could live a miserable existence caused malabsorption leading to malnutrition.

                        Most people only take into account how the foods makes them feel for the first five minutes, unless there is a severe reaction. A slow poison caused by intolerance can be very hard to detect.

                        1. re: Bottomless_Pit

                          it wasn't to be taken so literally


                      2. I read the blog post you linked to. The author doesn't sound like a nut, but he hasn't convinced me to give up dairy completely. I love cheese, and eat about an ounce a day. Never have been a milk drinker, even as a baby. I do put some 1% organic milk on my cereal, and 0% Fage on my granola. His idea of giving up dairy for 2 weeks to see how you feel without it is interesting, but hardly scientific. Agree that the Food Pyramid is a total production of various agricultural and industrial food interests.

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                        1. re: pikawicca

                          Yeah I'm not convinced either. I'm also not sure if there is a difference for me since I live in Greece and a lot of the dairy we have is goat-based. I just can't imagine going even one week without dairy. I drink lots of milk and use greek yogurt in marinades, for tzatziki, Indian food, for breakfast, for dessert!

                          1. re: eviemichael

                            I also wouldn't want to go 2 weeks w/out dairy -- I have a glass of skim milk every day, and cheese makes me happy.

                            1. re: linguafood

                              I'd have a hard time going two hours.


                        2. Just wait and there will be a study that contradicts.....whatever the original premise.