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Why did my all-butter pie crust come out hard?

visciole May 11, 2010 10:54 AM

Normally I use part butter and part non-trans fat shortening (made of palm oil). This time I had only butter so I used all butter. The crust is hard and the part without filling is a bit crunchy. This never happened to me before. Also, the butter I used was European style with a higher fat content than usual. Can anyone explain?

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  1. ipsedixit RE: visciole May 11, 2010 11:19 AM

    Need more info.

    Did you overwork the dough? Was your butter and water cold enough?

    Also, please note that crust made with a combo of butter/shortening will generally be more flaky than one made with just butter, although the all-butter crust will be tastier. That said, an all-butter crust should still not be "hard" by any stretch of the imagination.

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    1. re: ipsedixit
      visciole RE: ipsedixit May 11, 2010 11:30 AM

      I've made plenty of pie crusts, so I know not to overwork the dough. Butter and water were both cold.

    2. danna RE: visciole May 11, 2010 11:26 AM

      I think you just found out why cookie/cracker/etc manufacturers use trans-fat shortenings. It makes baked goods stay soft, (as well as making pie crust flakey). I would imagine your shortening, even though trans-fat free...has some similar properties.

      Unless...you left out the salt. That can cause hard, tough pie crust.

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      1. re: danna
        visciole RE: danna May 11, 2010 11:33 AM

        I think you might be onto something with the salt question! One of the people who was going to be eating the pie is on a low-salt diet, so I cut the salt down a good bit. I had no idea this would affect the texture of the crust. Do you know why this is?

        Perhaps it was a combination of all butter and not enough salt.... Darn, I hate when that happens.

        1. re: danna
          JungMann RE: danna May 11, 2010 12:50 PM

          That's odd. I forgot to add salt to my shortening crust this weekend, but it still came out very soft and flaky.

        2. todao RE: visciole May 11, 2010 11:31 AM

          What you made was a tart crust, not a pie crust.

          1. PBSF RE: visciole May 11, 2010 11:33 AM

            An all-butter crust will be crispier (like a shortbread) and less tender/flakey than a crust made with part butter and part shortening. Shortening is 100% fat, whereas butter is about 80% and the rest is water. The higher amount of fat in shortenings results in a more tender crust. Fat tenderizes by coating flour particles so that gluten doesn't form and also traps air between the flour molecules to give the crust a layering effect.
            Salt has nothing to do with flakiness. It rounds out the taste of the crust like seasoning food.

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              visciole RE: PBSF May 11, 2010 11:44 AM

              That's always what I thought about the salt... but then again what danna said struck a chord, because I did cut down the salt of this recipe, which I normally never do because I love me some salt.

              I expected the texture to be crispier like a tart crust, but I did not expect it to be harder. I wonder if maybe the harder texture of the butter made me unconsciously press a bit harder to roll it out....

              1. re: visciole
                PBSF RE: visciole May 11, 2010 12:32 PM

                Every once awhile, the pastry god is just not with us.

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                  visciole RE: PBSF May 11, 2010 01:37 PM

                  Now THAT I believe!

                  It is more of an art than a science, ain't it?

                2. re: visciole
                  danna RE: visciole May 12, 2010 05:43 AM

                  Seriously, I forgot the salt recently, and the crust was appalling. Harder, and very tough. I didn't really know what I had done, but my Mom (isn't it typical you have guests when this stuff happens) said lack of salt was a well known cause of tough pastry.

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                    mendogurl RE: danna May 12, 2010 06:12 AM

                    I think good pie crust just has to have lard or shortening, or it gets tough, or hard.
                    It;s the lard/shortening that creates the tender.

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