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DougOLis May 10, 2010 04:15 PM

Jason Neroni has left Blanca due to family reasons (sounded like he wanted to be here) after his wife was unable to find a job in San Diego. Too bad especially when it sounded like he was picking up some steam. Here's to hoping the new chef continues Blanca's trend and good luck to Chef Neroni back in Brooklyn!

h/t Troy Johnson of Modern Luxury

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  1. honkman RE: DougOLis May 11, 2010 06:56 PM

    Sad part from an interview with Jason Neroni:

    "The moment I got here, everyone said, 'Please don't leave, please don't leave.' Our product was fantastic. And I'd say about 20 percent of the people got it. The running joke other chefs told me was that all San Diegans want is fish tacos. It was funny for a moment, and then it got annoying because it was true."

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      mcgrath RE: honkman May 12, 2010 04:55 PM

      It's tiresome hearing the excuse of San Diegans wanting only fish tacos and nobody "getting" a chef's style. If it didn't work out, chef, you move on, hopefully silently and with a little class. do your homework a little better next time and try to refrain from belittling an entire city's palate.

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        Beach Chick RE: mcgrath May 12, 2010 05:38 PM

        As a native SD, I was totally insulted by Chef Neroni's comment..
        Such total bullshit that I and other San Diegan's would go to Blanca and want fish tacos..

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          Dagney RE: Beach Chick May 26, 2010 10:53 PM

          Duh, no kidding, we want Patty Melts. (Jus kiddin) But seriously, well put BC, what a load of self righteous crap.

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          honkman RE: mcgrath May 12, 2010 06:19 PM

          I think the truth is as always somewhere in the middle. Chefs in San Diego have to learn to adapt to what San Diegans want to eat to survive even if they want to cook something else. On the other side San Diego has a very high level of people who "don't get it" (not willing to try anything new) for its size. Here is another citation from Neroni which describes what I have also seen in SD before (and sous-vide cooking is just one example and it is sometimes for example disappointing to see how some guests react to more unusual food at the current Chef Celebration dinners and don't eat it):

          "“I like San Diego and, at Blanca, that was probably the best food I ever did,” Neroni said. “But I felt like only 20 percent got it.”
          The other 80 percent spurned his nose-to-tail pork dinners and complained about the chicken breast, which looked pale after being prepared sous vide, in vacuum-sealed plastic pouches. “It’s not uncooked,” Neroni retorted. “You’re just used to chicken that has grill marks on it, and has been overcooked.”

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            DiningDiva RE: mcgrath May 13, 2010 08:23 AM

            Wow, I'm surprised that someone hasn't posted this link already - http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/20...

            Trey Foshee said 2 things in the article I thought were really true. First, that it will take SD native chefs to put SD on the food map because they understand what it's like to grow up here and what SD is about. And second, that local chefs haven't found a unified "voice" yet with which to define and explain the SD food scene.

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              honkman RE: DiningDiva May 13, 2010 09:42 AM

              I agree with his second argument but disagree with the first one. I think it would be necessary to have somehow one big-name open a key restaurant in SD to move the culinary scene in SD forward. It's not that chefs in SD don't want or have the ability to do innovative cooking but the average SD customer (even in higher-end restaurant) is absolutely afraid to try anything remotely new. I went to a few of the Chef Celebration dinners over the last few weeks (and the food there is sometimes more unusual for SD) and I have never seen so many people don't eat their food, complaining to the waiter that this is unusual food, send their food back to ask for more familar stuff etc. Same at the Cook's Confab event and we see this on a regular basis only in SD (including Blanca). I only think this would change in SD if some big name (e.g. Keller, Trotter etc.) would open a restaurant where they would cook their style because most often people tend to try new things if they go to one of the celebrety chefs. Unfortunately I don't think that SD native chefs can afford to cook anything new / innovative / creative without risking their business.

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                mcgrath RE: honkman May 13, 2010 10:56 AM

                Good observation; agree completely.

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                  jmtreg RE: honkman May 26, 2010 11:44 PM

                  Well, we're developing as a city. Twenty-five years ago no one ate fish tacos, for crying out loud. The pizza universally sucked (except when Mom cooked), the burgers were meh, and we all drank lousy beer. Well, I didn't drink lousy beer, but then again, I was nine.

                  Great restaurant scenes don't develop overnight, but we are improving. If San Diegans are willing to drink any variety of beer put in front of them (and we will), then who's to say we won't develop the same level of trust with chefs.

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              jaysurf12 RE: honkman May 14, 2010 01:09 AM

              I think that it is a shame that Jason Neroni would say anything like that.
              Part of being running a business is to adapt to your clientele and cook things that they want to eat. I cannot argue that San Diego might not have the dining culture that some other cities have but there are a few millions people living in San Diego county and I am sure that enough people appreciate good food so that a good restaurant could survive without having to serve fish tacos. Nine Ten, George's, Market, Cavaillon to name a few. I have personally dined in Los Angeles a few times over the past few months and have been underwhelmed by my dinners there ( Mozza, gjelina, XIV to name a few ). Same applies to Las Vegas...
              Futhermore, I find it ironic that the San Diego Union Tribune would write an article a few weeks ago about Neroni being San Diego's savior... just to see the same Chef spitting in our face upon departure. That just shows, once again, how irrelevant our local press is when it comes to restaurants.
              ttp://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/apr/...
              I have no doubt that Neroni can cook...but for him to make such statements shows little class. I doubt that the great chefs in San Diego are secretly joking and mocking their clientele. I hope that he does well back East. I personally will not miss his cooking considering that he seems to think that he is too good for us San Dieguans...

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              Cavaillon Restaurant
              14701 Via Bettona, Suite 200, San Diego, CA 92127

              Nine Ten
              910 Prospect Street, La Jolla, CA 92037

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                4wino RE: jaysurf12 May 14, 2010 11:18 AM

                Completely agree jaysurf12, classless statements.

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                  foodiechick RE: jaysurf12 May 14, 2010 11:31 AM

                  On a personal level, I feel sorry for his family. He was right when he commented about the cost of living in SoCal being as, if not more expensive then NY. But to your point about the other great SD chefs thoughts of him, I spoke with one of the best on Monday whose opinion of Mr. Neroni's attitude was less than stellar.

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                  stevewag23 RE: honkman May 27, 2010 10:00 AM

                  "all San Diegans want is fish tacos"

                  I completely disagree.

                  San Diegans want quesadillas too. With extra guac.

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                  swicks RE: DougOLis May 12, 2010 04:24 PM

                  Interesting. Sad that SD is losing a legit chef. That restaurant was sort of an enigma and I think struggled with its location and price point. They were doing some interesting food but both of my epperiences there the food was VERY uneven in preparation (undercooked steak, sloppy presentation, etc) but some things were excellent. I don't think these things contributed but I would say the thinking that most people "didn't get it" probably has a lot of truth to it.

                  Good luck back in NYC.

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                    MrKrispy RE: DougOLis May 12, 2010 05:15 PM

                    I am starting to think it is the Chef's don't get it.

                    We don't just want fish tacos....big fan of carne asada burritos too.

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                      hye RE: MrKrispy May 12, 2010 07:01 PM

                      LOL, so true...

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                        4wino RE: MrKrispy May 12, 2010 09:45 PM

                        I thought about getting this product:

                        http://www.surlatable.com/category/id...

                        But I'veI have not cared for sous vide dishes. Arterra and Cavaillon come to mind.

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                        Arterra Restaurant
                        11966 El Camino Real, San Diego, CA 92130

                        Cavaillon Restaurant
                        14701 Via Bettona, Suite 200, San Diego, CA 92127

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                          mjill RE: 4wino May 13, 2010 08:48 AM

                          That model is about half price from the Restaurant grade Immersion Circulatiors, which one would think is a good deal. The real chink in the armor on that product though is the bath size. It looks tiny and this is before considering the quality of the circulator and how long it might last. It's worth spending the extra $400 if you are really into Sous Vide for the professional quality product.

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                            JJS360 RE: 4wino May 13, 2010 09:59 AM

                            I have successfully prepared sous vide dishes at home with nothing more than plastic zipper bags, a pot of hot water, a stove, and a thermometer. I would suggest trying this method first before investing in a new gadget. I learned how to do this from an article from NYT or WSJ. If I find it, I will post it.

                            Regarding Cavaillon, I went there recently for the first time. Food was decent for the area, but the service was what killed it for us. I know San Diegans tend to dine earlier than us native East coasters, but the bus boy found it appropriate to clean tables all around us while we were still eating. His cleaning agent of choice. AMMONIA. The wait staff seemed to be lacking in communication amongst each other as well. We never know who was serving us!

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                            Cavaillon Restaurant
                            14701 Via Bettona, Suite 200, San Diego, CA 92127

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                              RB Hound RE: JJS360 May 13, 2010 11:59 AM

                              Just out of curiosity, JJS, what time and day was it that this happened at Cavaillon?

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                              14701 Via Bettona, Suite 200, San Diego, CA 92127

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                                JJS360 RE: RB Hound May 13, 2010 12:58 PM

                                It was a Tuesday in March, and we had 8pm reservations. Three courses in total, and this was during a shared dessert, not after dinner drinks (for which we went elsewhere). I wanted to love it, and I still dream of the truffle risotto, but oof, that service jarring. It was something I would expect of a newer restaurant. Work out the kinks with service, exude a little sincerity and interest, and consider changing the floors, and I think it could be quite enjoyable.

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                                  honkman RE: JJS360 May 13, 2010 01:16 PM

                                  Cavaillon had some service issues a few years back but over the last two years they were consistently good (for San Diego which is always more laid back than other cities). You should give them another try - their food is definitely one of the better options in SD. Cleaning tables with strong smelling ingredients during service happens unfortunately quite often in SD especiaally if you tend to eat late. We had the same problems at Cavaillon but also recently at Alchemy, Starlite, Urban Soalce.Nine-Ten.

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                          mjill RE: DougOLis May 14, 2010 11:55 PM

                          Still scratching my head why anyone of worth is lamenting Neroni leaving town. The food was ok but to say this was the best food he cooked in his life is a marketing campaign for his next gig because surely if that's the best, it wasn't good enough. Bottom line, he couldn't hold staff
                          (don't believe me? Check craigslist help wanted and Solana beach high end restaurant posts) and the restaurant was never popping at capacity at anywhere near a regular basis = death sentence for any restaurant. His exit interview sounded more like a guy who failed and could point the finger at everything except the person directly responsible, himself. Pathetic, definite good riddance.

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                            DiningDiva RE: mjill May 15, 2010 07:53 AM

                            Rather like BP, no?

                          2. Fake Name RE: DougOLis May 15, 2010 05:27 AM

                            Lots of good comments here. But while I have your attention:

                            Anybody know where I can get a good fish taco?

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                              SDGourmand RE: Fake Name May 15, 2010 08:54 AM

                              I think Blanca is running a special.

                            2. SDDinnerTime RE: DougOLis May 15, 2010 08:57 AM

                              Having been in San Diego for more than 20 years the food scene has definitely grown. Is it on par with food cities like San Francisco or New York, those are some of the best in the world. I commend a restaurant like Blanca for trying some different. Isn't that what food is all about. As far a chef's comments that nobody got his food sounds like an excuse and to insult an entire city. Maybe San Diego isn't quite there yet, but any great chef is an educator as well being an expert of his craft. If you're having dinner for guests at home and one person doesn't like seafood you make them something they enjoy. It doesn't mean you have to sacrifice your food. You adapt, evolve and become better, that's what truly great chef's do. I'm sure San Diego will survive without him and so will Blanca!

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                                cstr RE: SDDinnerTime May 15, 2010 09:38 AM

                                As this is your 1st. post on CH welcome. However, SD is certainly not on par with SF or NYC, not even close.

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                                  SDDinnerTime RE: cstr May 15, 2010 11:01 AM

                                  Cstr,

                                  I think you misread my post. Is san diego on par with SF or NY of course not. Those are world class food cities. Just saying SD is growing and hopefully more chefs will come here.

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                                    4wino RE: SDDinnerTime May 15, 2010 01:07 PM

                                    SD, I agree with you that our city has made great strides in the fine food business. Ten years ago I could count good to great establishments on one hand, now I need more hands.

                                    Sure, the housing market hit us hard and fine dining would be some of the first businesses to be impacted. But, as the dust settles, we are left with a cornucopia of good and great places, and as the economy improves they will grow stronger.

                                    My beef is with the situation downtown, in the Gaslamp district, where we have so many subpar restaurants that actually survive on the gullability of visitors, and not of our own tastes.

                                    Can you folks imagine what downtown would be if we could just start over!!!

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                                      honkman RE: 4wino May 15, 2010 03:48 PM

                                      We might have a different definition of high-end/fine food but I don't see any significant progress SD has made for high-end food in the last 5-10 years. I think SD made progress in the mid-price/bistro-style over the years in terms of numbers and quality but I hardly see any significant high-end restaurant in SD.

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                                        SDDinnerTime RE: 4wino May 15, 2010 06:34 PM

                                        I would have to agree with downtown SD, it's really tourist driven. When downtown had the huge growth a few years back it was really investor driven with the idea to just make money. Give it some time and that will change over time. We may never be a high-end restaurant city but that's ok, we can still have really good food scene which includes everything from food trucks all the way to high end restaurants.

                                2. honkman RE: DougOLis May 26, 2010 12:19 PM

                                  Looks like Gavin Schmidt will follow Jason Neroni has executive chef at Blanca. He was most recently executive chef at Nectar Wine Lounge in SF but most interestingly had his biggest impact as chef de cuisine at Koi. It will be interesting to see which cooking style he will use at Blanca. The dishes at Koi are not that far away from what Neroni did Blanca whereas Nectar Wine Lounge is more conventional bistro style cooking

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                                    JonDough RE: honkman May 26, 2010 01:03 PM

                                    It is *Coi* not Koi. He should be talented if he has worked under Patterson. I look forward to seeing what he does with Blanca.

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                                      littlestevie RE: JonDough May 26, 2010 03:37 PM

                                      There is a Coi as well as a Koi restaurant? I thought that Koi up in LA and Vegas? was Asian fusionish. Just as long as you don't tell me there is also a Coy resturant. Then I will be really confused.

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                                        JonDough RE: littlestevie May 26, 2010 04:19 PM

                                        I believe honkman was referring to Coi in SF (http://coirestaurant.com/). It is a two star Michelin restaurant that focuses heavily on inventive flavor combinations. The SF version of WD-50.

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                                          honkman RE: JonDough May 26, 2010 05:21 PM

                                          Yes, it is Coi in SF with Daniel Patterson as chef/owner

                                  2. The Chowhound Team RE: DougOLis Jun 2, 2010 05:51 AM

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