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roxlet May 7, 2010 04:59 AM

A while back, my son and I had occasion to have dinner at the British Club in Mohandeseen, a part of Cairo. There was only one slice of apple pie left, which my son wanted, so I wound up ordering something I had never heard of before -- Banoffee Pie. My son gobbled done most of it, leaving the apple pie uneaten, it was that good. This was a couple of months ago, and we still talk about it. I did an internet search and came up with all sorts of recipes, and caramel seems to figure in fairly heavily, which surprised me because I don't remember it in the pie we had. I remember that the waitress said that the crust was made with McVittie's biscuits and that bananas and whipped cream figured in pretty prominently. Does anyone have a reliable recipe that they'd like to share?

  1. epabella May 7, 2010 05:41 AM

    here's the one recipe i always use:

    http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/81...

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    1. re: epabella
      roxlet May 7, 2010 06:37 AM

      I don't think that I have ever seen canned caramel like that in the US. It looks lovely though with the chocolate drizzled across the top! So I guess that carmel is the thing, and my taste memory is mistaken!

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        epabella May 7, 2010 06:54 AM

        hehehe - mine probably ends up tasting like that but never LOOKS like that - that's like food porn, the cast never looks quite as good without makeup, etc.

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          jsaimd May 7, 2010 07:11 AM

          The Nestle Caramel might be similar to canned Dulce de Leche here. I don't know for sure, but I think so. Maybe someone more in the know can confirm.

          1. re: roxlet
            mcsheridan May 10, 2010 09:35 AM

            You don't have to make your own caramel, although you certainly can if you want to.

            Nestle does sell it already made for the Hispanic market:
            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/6060...

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            janeh May 12, 2010 06:50 PM

            It should be forbidden to include the calories at the end of a recipe like that one!

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            tonka11_99 May 7, 2010 12:31 PM

            Paula dean has a recipe for one on food network.

            All it is is Sweetened condensed milk that has been baked in the can for 1.5 hrs at 300 degrees F. The milk caramelizes into an almost caramel. well it turns brown and the taste intensifies. It's good.

            Pour it into a pie shell and add banana slices. That's banoffee pie.

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              jsaimd May 7, 2010 01:15 PM

              That confirms - it is dulce de leche.

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                roxlet May 7, 2010 09:36 PM

                I actually looked at the Paula Deen's recipe, and I think I'll continue looking since quite a few of the comments of the people who tried it were very negative. Did you try this recipe, tonka11_99?

                1. re: roxlet
                  paulj May 8, 2010 09:44 AM

                  Most of the comments on Paula's recipe have to do with making Dulce. I grew up with the 'cooked in the can' version. I'm also familiar with 'cajeta', the Mexican version made with goats milk and flavored with vanilla or cinnamon. I've also bought jars of Argentine Dulce de Leche. DL is almost an Argentine passion. But mostly I buy cans of Nestle Dulce de Leche. I think they just cook their sweetened condensed milk longer and use new labels. It costs a bit more than carmelizing the can myself, but more convenient. Often this can be found in Latino shops and aisles. It's made in Chile. I think I've even seen it at Walmart.

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                    tonka11_99 May 8, 2010 10:18 AM

                    I didn't try it. That caramelized milk sounds very rich.

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                      epabella May 8, 2010 11:40 AM

                      banoffee is a brit dessert so you might want to consult a brit recipe - if you didn't like the bbc recipe, maybe look up james martin's or jamie oliver's.

                      that smithfield foods lady wouldn't really know what to do with banoffee.

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                        tonka11_99 May 8, 2010 11:58 AM

                        Yeah, She came up with the recipe after a trip to England. In fact, her encounter with banoffee pie was part of the show.

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                          bushwickgirl May 8, 2010 01:20 PM

                          Here's Jamie Oliver's version, a bit of a twist with almonds. The piecrust seems to be a twist as well; most recipes call for a crushed digestive biscuit crust, similar to the graham cracker crust:

                          http://offthespork.blogspot.com/2007/12/banoffee-pie.html

                          Nice rustic pie photos, with the digestive biscuit base:

                          http://deelishdish.typepad.com/deelis...

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                            epabella May 10, 2010 05:16 PM

                            wow, only checked those links now but the dulce de leche on that deelishdish is incredible. i always get gun-shy and never dare to get mine that brown - i guess it's who dares wins when caramelizing condensed milk.

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                              yayadave May 12, 2010 07:13 PM

                              I make this in a pressure cooker. Cover the can with water. Pressure cook: 20 min. and you can pour it, 25 minutes and you can spoon it, and 30 min. and you will have to spread it.

                              I wonder if you could make this crust with 'Nillas.
                              http://www.nabiscoworld.com/brands/br...
                              Or just buy one made from 'Nillas!!

                              1. re: yayadave
                                paulj May 12, 2010 07:38 PM

                                Got to use Oreos for the crust!

                                Any prebaked or crumb crust would work.. British digestive biscuits produce a crust that is similar to the American graham cracker crust.

                    2. Rubee May 8, 2010 01:50 PM

                      I can't recommend a reliable recipe as I've never had it and today will be my first time making it, but I'm using the recipe from the Cookbook of the Month (Gourmet) for dessert tonight. It's the same recipe as the link below, although the one in the book calls for homemade pie dough. It mentions that "it made its debut at The Hungry Monk, a pub in England, in 1972". It gives an alternative method for making the toffee in cans which "sometimes results in explosions":

                      Banoffee Pie
                      http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/foo...

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                        roxlet May 8, 2010 11:02 PM

                        I would love to hear how it comes out, Rubee!

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                          Rubee May 9, 2010 11:06 AM

                          Will do today! Didn't make the pie last night - too much food (and too many Manhattans) - but got as far as the toffee/dulce de leche:

                           
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                            roxlet May 9, 2010 11:25 AM

                            Lovely, Rubee!

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                              Rubee May 10, 2010 05:38 PM

                              Thanks Roxlet!

                              Update: I finally got around to finishing the pie today (bananas were a bit over-ripe though). It's delicious, though of course very rich. I wish the layer of toffee was not as thick (I noticed some recipes call for 1-1/2 cans of sweetened condensed milk). That didn't stop either of us from polishing off our whole slice, however!

                               
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                                roxlet May 10, 2010 09:49 PM

                                Well, that looks just beautiful. I think that I will use less caramel when I make it. As I mentioned before, the one I had in Cairo was very light on the caramel -- so much so that it didn't seem to be a main ingredient at first. Is that a regular pie crust? Try it with a McVittie's crumb crust, if you can find McVittie's where you are. I know it's not trad, but it sure was good!

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                                  Caitlin McGrath May 12, 2010 05:54 PM

                                  Rubee, did you use two full cans of sweetened condensed milk, and put it all in the pie? The reason I ask is that, in Gourmet Today, the recipe calls for "2 cups (from 2 14-ounce cans)" while in the Epicurious link, they have it as "2 cups (21 ounces)" - in other words, one and a half cans. However it is easy to see how reading it as they reworded it for the cookbook, one might assume they are calling for 2 cans.

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                                    Rubee May 12, 2010 06:32 PM

                                    Yes, you're right! I did use too much - full cans instead of two cups. Thanks for pointing that out, oops!

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                                      paulj May 12, 2010 06:42 PM

                                      Any idea how thick the Dulce layer was? Based on a couple of tarts that I recently made, I'd aim for 1/4", 1/2" max. When I eat Dulce straight, a heaping teaspoon is about the maximum.

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                          Harters May 8, 2010 02:15 PM

                          Banoffee pie is accepted to have been invented at the Hungry Monk restaurant in East Sussex by its chef, Ian Dowding in the early 1970s. Here's his recipe:
                          http://www.iandowding.co.uk/recipes/d...

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                          1. re: Harters
                            roxlet May 8, 2010 11:02 PM

                            Well, that looks like the real deal, and I have bookmarked it. Only thing is, I really liked the taste of the McVittie's digestive biscuits as the crust and will probably do that. Thanks for the link Harters!

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                            tonka11_99 May 8, 2010 11:23 PM

                            Even the website of the original developer shows using Sweetened condensed milk that has been put in a water bath at 300 degrees f for 1 1/2 hours to caramelize the milk. It is still primarily the dish we have been talking about.

                            People are either going to really like like it or not like much at all. it is going to be rich and sweet. we will have to try it and see if we like it.

                            The good news. It won't take long or cost much to find out.

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                              roxlet May 9, 2010 12:41 AM

                              Absolutely! And the good thing is that it is really a refrigerator pie. Not so much time in the oven, thus useful for a hot-weather dessert.

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                                Harters May 9, 2010 04:14 AM

                                "People are either going to really like like it or not like much at all"

                                Used to be one of those desserts that was fashionable some years ago - on the menu of lots of restaurants (almost like sticky toffee pudding is now). Must admit, I don't like banoffee - much to sweet for me and sort of one-dimensional.

                                1. re: Harters
                                  roxlet May 9, 2010 04:40 AM

                                  I think for us it was such a surprise. I mean, it was ordered as a kind of default -- there was nothing else, and it was so good that it eclipsed the dessert we both wanted. Strangely, I don't rememeber being overwhelmed by the sweetness, just as I didn't have a real taste memory of caramel so perhaps the caramel was used very sparingly, and maybe that's the secret...

                              2. toodie jane May 9, 2010 10:12 AM

                                here's a video off the Carnation Co.'s UK site: looks mighty good

                                http://www.carnation.co.uk/pudcasts/2...

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                                  paulj May 9, 2010 11:31 AM

                                  I made something just like that a couple of days ago! Well, not quite, I used:
                                  - premade graham cracker shells (left over from making key lime pie years ago)
                                  - diced sweet potato (steamed)
                                  - warmed the Dulce and spread it on top
                                  - no whipped cream
                                  - sprinkled broken walnuts on top

                                  At first my wife thought they were chocolate pudding tarts.

                                  I have bananas now, so will have to try those. But I don't have whipping cream. What should I use for the topping? Marshmallow fluff, clotted cream, mascarpone (softened)?

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                                    toodie jane May 10, 2010 08:49 AM

                                    the marshamallow fluff would be too sweet and too stiff.

                                    the clotted cream and mascarpone, while being silky and rich would not be quite light enough to contrast with the heavy dulce.
                                    not sure what to recommend. Could you whip some egg whites and somehow incorporate the clotted cream? Not sure you'd want to go to the trouble, but it might be a fun experiment. You can whip regular canned evaporated milk if you have some on hand.

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                                  tonka11_99 May 10, 2010 07:35 PM

                                  A lot of people seem concerned that banoffee pie will be too rich or too intense. Maybe but probably not. That's what small pieces are for. I think the bananas would go a long way to calm it down.

                                  I think we will just have to make it and report back about our impressions.

                                  Worst case scenario, we fold in whipped cream or whipped egg whites to lighten it.

                                  Oh god... you know what would take it over the top..richness wise? A chocolate genache layer on the crust. Can you imagine how rich that would be?

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                                  1. re: tonka11_99
                                    paulj May 10, 2010 07:41 PM

                                    You can always tweak the proportions of the main ingredients, the caramel, the bananas, and whipped cream. You don't have to make the dulce layer an inch thick )

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                                    tonka11_99 May 12, 2010 10:23 PM

                                    I tried to bake the sweetened condensed milk, today. I wasn't very successful.
                                    I started by putting the cans in a pan of water completely submerged and put them in an oven at 300 F for 90 minutes. The scm didn't caramelize or turn brown.

                                    Next I opened the 2 cans of scm and poured the contents into in an oven proof glass pan. I put that pan in a water bath and tried again at 300 F. This time it got overly brown on the top and stayed yellow on the bottom.

                                    I will try again in a few days after some research. I could just buy the dulce de leche but it is personal now. I will find out how to caramelize the scm.

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                                      bushwickgirl May 12, 2010 11:01 PM

                                      tonka11-99, check this link for a dulce de leche recipe that is foolproof. You didn't have the oven on high enough and you need more baking time. Aside from that, you were basically on the right track:

                                      http://www.davidlebovitz.com/archives...

                                      Scroll down to page bottom for instructions.

                                      1. re: tonka11_99
                                        yayadave May 13, 2010 02:48 PM

                                        If you have a pressure cooker, see my post above.

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