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Reservationsforone May 5, 2010 10:11 AM

A friend and I will be visiting New York soon, and we are trying to finalize our evening dinner plans. We only have three nights - and one of them, we will be dining at Per Se. That leaves us really with only two nights!

Here is the list we are trying to narrow down. Which of these would you recommend? Which are overratted? Appreciate any help you can give!

Daniel
Le Bernardin
Eleven Madison Park
Lupa
Locande Verde
Degustation
WD-50

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Per Se
10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

WD-50
50 Clinton Street, New York, NY 10002

Lupa
170 Thompson Street, New York, NY 10012

Le Bernardin
155 W. 51st St., New York, NY 10019

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    Ann900 RE: Reservationsforone May 5, 2010 10:22 AM

    It would help a lot if you told us why you originally put these restaurants on your list - what was it that appealed to you. Also some idea of the type of experience you're looking for - EMP is a very different experience from Lupa, for example.

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    Lupa
    170 Thompson Street, New York, NY 10012

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      kathryn RE: Ann900 May 5, 2010 11:48 AM

      Agreed. What are you looking for? Why did these appeal to you? Where are you coming to NYC from? When are you coming to town (some may be already booked up or closed on one of the nights you wish to dine)?

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        Ann900 RE: kathryn May 5, 2010 01:33 PM

        Kathryn
        You are just so awesome. You always are right on ther mark - and it just amazes me how you always give a personal reply to each post.

    2. sgordon RE: Reservationsforone May 5, 2010 12:17 PM

      I would definitely do WD, as that's really an "only in NY" place. There's high-end French everywhere. There's only Wylie Dufresne, though. Keep in mind they're closed Mondays and Tuesdays when making your itinerary out. Also, one of the more notable cocktail programs in the city, and one of our greatest pastry chefs in Alex Stupak.

      Of the list I'd pick EMP for the third night. If you can get a rez. Four Stars + James Beard = might be kinda tough.

      I wouldn't bother with Lupa, not when you could do Babbo or Del Posto instead.

      Degustation - I think overrated, but I've only been once. Decent, but nothing that blew me away.

      Daniel - very good, even great. But kind of ordinary in an old-fashioned way. I'd sooner go to Cafe Boulud, where I think Gavin Kaysen is outshining DB's flagship.

      Le Bern - great, but the atmosphere can be a bit stuffy. For an big ol' seafood experience, Marea is much more exciting right now.

      And no haute Asian? Maybe use one night for a top sushi destination, like Yasuda or Gari, or a Japanese fusion a la Morimoto or Nobu (I prefer the Morimoto, between the two)

      Final thought - Momofuku Ssam. No reservations, but worth waiting in line to find out what everyone else has been waiting in line for.

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      WD-50
      50 Clinton Street, New York, NY 10002

      Cafe Boulud
      20 East 76th St., New York, NY 10021

      Babbo
      110 Waverly Pl, New York, NY 10011

      Momofuku Ssam Bar
      207 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

      Sushi Yasuda
      204 E 43rd St, New York, NY 10017

      Del Posto
      85 10th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

      Gari
      370 Columbus Avenue, New York, NY 10024

      Nobu
      105 Hudson Street, New York, NY 10013

      Morimoto
      88 10th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

      Marea
      240 Central Park South, New York, NY 10019

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        Reservationsforone RE: sgordon May 5, 2010 01:52 PM

        thanks for the great suggestions so fari! Sorry I wasn't more clear. What was driving our list were suggestions I had read from past posts on your board and just from the research on various NY food blogs, etc....and the recent James Beard award winners and nominees.

        We are looking for something a little upscale since these are dinner options - no more than $80 per person including drinks, tip, tax, etc....especially given our night a Per Se. We are looking for those spots that if you had a friend coming to New York, this would be the place you would want to take them. We enjoy French, Asian, Spanish New American, Seafood, Italian cuisine the most.. If we could find a great Mediterrean place too, that would be great!

        We would like to stay away from the "old school steakhouse/seafood kind of places. Oh, and we are coming from Minneapolis

        Thanks for the shout out about Momofuku - this is one of the places we want to hit up for lunch!

        Let me know if you need more detail

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        Per Se
        10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

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          RGR RE: Reservationsforone May 5, 2010 02:07 PM

          An $80pp out-the-door budget immediately knocks out dinner at Daniel, Le Bernardin, and EMP. Daniel does not serve lunch, but Le Bernardin and EMP do, Monday through Friday. At lunch, EMP's 2 courses for $28/3 courses for $42 is one of the best deals in town. The chicken for two is truly amazing!

          Photos of lunche at EMP at which we had that chicken: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11863391...

          Btw, since you mentioned the James Beard Awards, you probably have heard that EMP's Chef Daniel Humm won Best Chef New York.

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            a213b RE: RGR May 5, 2010 02:14 PM

            Co-sign on the roast chicken for lunch. We just had it again last week and it was (as usual) flawlessly amazing.

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              RGR RE: a213b May 5, 2010 03:16 PM

              We were there for the "11" this past Thursday and requested (in advance) that the chicken be added because the friend we were dining with was dying to try it. Unreal!! Needless to say, the entire meal was fabulous!

              I left the photography of this "11" in his far superior hands: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ulterior...

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                Reservationsforone RE: RGR May 5, 2010 06:49 PM

                Thanks all - looks like we may need to check out EMP for lunch! So, now I'm at even more of a loss for what we should do for dinner. Any suggestions based on my budget and cuisine list given above?

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                  a213b RE: RGR May 6, 2010 05:46 AM

                  Darn it! We just missed each other! We were there Thursday for lunch.

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                    RGR RE: a213b May 6, 2010 06:12 AM

                    LOL! Well, a213b, you never contacted me about getting together for an EMP meet-up. Presuming you will still be here for a while, we might be able to make it happen.

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                      a213b RE: RGR May 6, 2010 06:14 AM

                      Wait, what?!?!? I didn't even know you wanted to!

                      Doh! We're actually leaving the city on Sunday, but I've spoken to several jobs about coming back for a couple of months later this year (Aug - early Nov). We'll DEFINITELY have to set up something then.

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                        RGR RE: a213b May 6, 2010 06:40 AM

                        It was actually you who suggested it, and I didn't think you were joking. I guess you missed my reply telling you to contact me. :( For future reference, you can email me via my blog. The url is on my personal info page here.

                        If you do come back later this year, we will definitely make it happen!

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                          a213b RE: RGR May 6, 2010 07:56 AM

                          Awww man, I wasn't joking. I must not have checked that thread, and then it escaped my mind. Let's definitely set something up next time we're in town, and that time I can give you an advance head's up now that I know how to email you!

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                    ellenost RE: RGR May 6, 2010 06:32 AM

                    Dear RGR:

                    u.e. took gorgeous photos. Question: what is "tete de cochon" (I know it's some type of pork), and is it mixed with the foie gras torchon or on the side? My sister doesn't eat any pork, and she's considering having the foie gras next week, but only if there is no pork. Thanks for your help.

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                      kathryn RE: ellenost May 6, 2010 07:50 AM

                      Tete de cochon is head cheese from a pig. It's typically a cold, pressed "meat jelly" that's sliced from a larger block.

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head_cheese

                      From this photo taken from above, it looks like the foie is wrapped around the head cheese, so it doesn't look like it would work for someone who doesn't eat pork.

                      http://www.flickr.com/photos/djjewelz...

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                        ellenost RE: kathryn May 6, 2010 08:46 AM

                        kathryn:

                        your photos on flickr are fabulous! I'm definitely ordering the duck next week. The lamb looks wonderful too! Thanks for providing the link on wilkipedia.

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                          kathryn RE: ellenost May 6, 2010 09:25 AM

                          Not my photo, but thanks! Often times if I'm unsure about a dish, I'll search on Flickr with the restaurant name and name of dish.

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                        a213b RE: ellenost May 6, 2010 07:50 AM

                        Head Cheese

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                          ellenost RE: a213b May 6, 2010 08:39 AM

                          Thanks kathryn and a213b. Sounds like something we'll both skip! I guess we'll order the crabmeat appetizer at EMP next week.

                2. re: Reservationsforone
                  sgordon RE: Reservationsforone May 6, 2010 08:46 AM

                  First, my "I've got guests, where's the ONE place I'd take them?" resto is WD-50, no question. I want them to experience something that they're simply not going to experience anything remotely like anywhere else. Unless they happen to live in Chicago, where they've got Moto and Alinea. But still, each one of these chefs is very unique to themselves, and while they may all share tricks and methods, their cuisines - in terms of flavors - are all quite different. So I'd recommend going to somewhere small and cheap one night so you could still fit WD into your budget.

                  And, truth be told, I'd probably skip Per Se. I know, it's the BIG place to hit. But to be blunt, they're drastically overpriced for what they serve. Let's be honest - the nearly identical menu (save for seasonal changes) was $150 back when they opened, not terribly long ago. Maybe they were slightly underpriced to start - but it's nearly doubled, which is simply ridiculous. They aren't offering anything "new" for the additional money. They raised the price for one simple reason: they could. They know that there's a certain cache among the wealthy for being "the most expensive" - and in the sagging economy, they're making up for the fact that they're not filling seats by upcharging those with unlimited expense accounts that still do come.

                  And the culinary experience - while great, don't get me wrong - simply isn't worth what they're charging. It's one of the best tasting menus in the city, no doubt. But is it significantly greater than - and by "significantly" I mean, double the price - say, the Spring Tasting Menu at 11MP? Not on your life. In fact, handed a black AMEX and told "go anywhere you want for dinner" I probably wouldn't put Per Se at the top of my list.

                  You could do 11MP's eight course Spring Tasting Menu ($135) AND Wylie's twelve-course Tasting Menu ($140) for exactly what you'd pay for one meal at Per Se. Which is exactly what I'd recommend you do instead. Not only will you get more for your money, but you'll get a wider variety of culinary experience. And for my money, those two meals would be just as good as the one you'd get from PS.

                  But if you're sticking with Per Se...

                  First, the math: $80 pp equals $62 before tax/tip. Drinks at any "fancyish" establishment will run around $12 each, be it a glass of wine or a cocktail, so you're looking at a $50 food budget - if you have one drink each. Lupa falls into that category, but nothing else on the list, really.

                  There are a number of other good options that fit the budget, though:

                  Falai's "Menu Tradizione" Prix Fixe - four (slightly scaled down) courses, $50 - or you could do three (larger, wider selection) a la carte courses for around your budget. A little more if went with a pasta for your primi (recommended: pici with wild boar ragu) instead of an antipasti, and perhaps shared a dessert (recommended: raspberry souffle with black truffle gelato.... mmm....)

                  High end sushi is probably out, but for a Japanese fix you could do one of the better Ramen joints: Momo Noodle, Ippudo, Ramen Setagaya.

                  Or get some our best pizza - go to Brooklyn and hit Grimaldi's, and you can take in the new Brooklyn Bridge Park while you're there. Or head up to Spanish Harlem to (the real) Patsy's, though there's not much else to do once you're there.

                  You could do a Chinatown excursion - two people could eat like kings for $100 at Ping's or Oriental Garden, and it'd be a revelation that something as common as "clams in black bean sauce" could be as good as is it, with incredibly fresh seafood and without the corn starch gloop one usually finds.

                  The front "Tavern" room at Gramercy Tavern is wonderful, and the prices very reasonable. The only issue would be they're no reservation - so there might be a wait. They're also a great lunch option.

                  Another lunch option: The $29 lunch at Del Posto is about the best lunch you'll have for $29 anywhere. Really one of the best deals in the city. The bread basket is practically a course of its own, and if you include the trio of amuses and quartet of petit-fours, you're getting essentially six (great) courses for $29. Hard to beat.

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                  Per Se
                  10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

                  WD-50
                  50 Clinton Street, New York, NY 10002

                  Lupa
                  170 Thompson Street, New York, NY 10012

                  Ramen Setagaya
                  141 1st Ave, New York, NY 10003

                  Gramercy Tavern
                  42 E 20th St, New York, NY 10003

                  Del Posto
                  85 10th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

                  Oriental Garden
                  14 Elizabeth St, New York, NY 10013

                  Falai
                  68 Clinton St, New York, NY 10002

                  Ippudo
                  65 4th Ave, New York, NY 10003

                  1. re: sgordon
                    hcbk0702 RE: sgordon May 6, 2010 09:35 AM

                    Per Se certainly occupies its own price range (excluding Masa), but their menu price did not double since its opening in 2004. It started at $150 ($180 including service), which was probably under-priced, with no service charge. It is now $275 including service charge, which represents a ~50% increase over 6 years. No one likes paying more, but there's no need to exaggerate.

                    EMP's Spring Tasting Menu ($135) is six courses, not eight. If you actually want to count the amuse-bouche and mignardises EMP lists as courses, I suppose Per Se's standard menu would be inflated to at least thirteen courses. You also couldn't do both EMP's six course tasting and the tasting menu at wd~50 for the same price as Per Se; you'd be well over after factoring in tip.

                    My lunch at Del Posto was kind of pathetic, especially if they're aiming to compete with the Jean Georges and EMP lunch deals, but I'm guessing my visit coincided with a severe off-day in the kitchen. The service was inept too, and I'd hope that isn't systemic. To the OP, I would strongly recommend lunch at either JG or EMP over Del Posto.

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                    Per Se
                    10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

                    Jean Georges
                    1 Central Park W, New York, NY 10023

                    Del Posto
                    85 10th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

                    Masa
                    10 Columbus Cir, New York, NY 10019

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                      sgordon RE: hcbk0702 May 6, 2010 09:52 AM

                      True. I didn't factor in that service is now included. That said, it's a drastic increase - $95 more per person - and without anything significantly different about the meal to show for it. Inflation hasn't been THAT great in six years. Prices at other high-end restaurants have remained essentially the same over the same period of time, going up maybe $10 here or there on their prix fixes, which would be equivalent to Per Se going up $20.

                      But what it comes down to is simply that I don't feel the meal is worth $275, and one could do a lot better by spending their money elsewhere.

                      I counted the amuses and whatnot at EMP as courses merely for the fact that a number of courses at Per Se are barely one or two-bite amuses themselves. So, comparing course to course it's equivalent.

                      So, true, after factoring in the tip you couldn't do EMP & WD tasting menus for exactly the same price - but you could certainly do two great meals for around the same, even if not specifically those restos. Or have the tasting menu at one and go a la carte / regular prix fixe at the other. Either way, a FAR better deal than Per Se for my money.

                      Hmm - you're the first person I've heard complain about the service & food at DP. Might have been an off day, yeah. The service, in particular, I found to be among the best as well. Weird. Maybe Ladner was in a bad mood and it trickled down to everyone on staff.

                      I don't much care for Jean-Georges, personally. I find the food there kind of uninteresting. I know I'm in the minority on that, but what can you do? He just doesn't float my boat.

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                      Per Se
                      10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

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                        dietndesire RE: sgordon May 6, 2010 10:36 AM

                        Del Posto is not tops in any way. And there are many complaints about it.
                        There are cheap lunches at many fine dining spots that are superior to Del Posto. Thankfully, it is not the best in town, that would be sad.
                        I wanted to be a fan but it is just not there. Enoteca was very good and a very good value before they dumped that format. Honestly, I like Ladner as a person and his style but the final product put on the plates is short on quality. When it first opened, it was very exciting given Babbo. But it is more expensive and not as good so there is not point to it. End of story.

                        Yes, the room is more grand but not particularly tasteful.

                        And since you recommend Grimaldi's if one ventures to Brooklyn, it all makes sense.

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                        Babbo
                        110 Waverly Pl, New York, NY 10011

                        Del Posto
                        85 10th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

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                          sgordon RE: dietndesire May 6, 2010 12:37 PM

                          Well, I'd have recommended Tottono's, really, but that may be a little far out for them to venture. Of the four "Classic NYC" pizza places (Patsy's, Grimaldi's, John's, & Tottono's) I went with G's because it's a nice location, easy to get to, and they could check out the park while they're there. And Patsy's because IMO they're the best of the four. But whatever, people will be fighting over which of those four are the "best" until the end of time. It's a matter of personal taste.

                          I would actually sooner dine at Babbo than DP, agreed - but, given that Babbo doesn't do lunch I think it's a nice option. But, okay, fine - two rather emphatic votes against DP for lunch. It was just an offhanded lunch suggestion, sheesh. I (& Adam Platt & Frank Bruni & Ed Levine &...) will just agree to disgree with y'all.

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                          And, of course, I thought a little more about Per Se, and what else could you do with their given dinner food budget for the trip...

                          What we have to work with is $330. ($230, which would come to $275 after a 20% tip + $50 each for the other two meals as calculated above, thus what the poster was originally going to spend pp on dinners pre-tax/tip)

                          I'll use the five JB nominees this year as an example, so here are either their PF costs or the average cost for app/entree/dessert, and after the slash the cost of a standard tasting menu (if they have one)

                          11MP - 95 / 135
                          Marea - 89 (four course prix fixe)
                          WD - 64 / 140
                          Gramercy - 86 / 112
                          Prune - 49

                          - so, tasting menus at EMP, WD, plus a regular dinner at Prune? $324. Or the WD tasting, plus Prix Fixe meals at EMP and Marea? (which is probably what I'd do) also $324, oddly enough. Or you could do the "Eleven" menu at EMP ($175) and still do Marea and Wylie ALC, and come in around $328. (actually, maybe I'd do that one - tough call...)

                          Again, you can have a wider variety of unbelievable culinary experiences just by dropping Per Se. Which isn't the "best" (as if there is a "best" in this town) by any stretch. Ignoring the price for a moment, I suppose it's top ten, sure. But so, I would say, are three of the five JB noms above. And you could do all three instead. But hey, if someone's got their heart set on Per Se, that's up to them.

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                          Per Se
                          10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

                          Babbo
                          110 Waverly Pl, New York, NY 10011

                          Marea
                          240 Central Park South, New York, NY 10019

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                            Reservationsforone RE: sgordon May 6, 2010 01:51 PM

                            Wow - thanks for breaking this down sgordon! it really puts things in perspective! We may need to drop PerSe all together...I'm assuming you probably aren't the only one to think that letting Per Se go is best....

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                            Per Se
                            10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

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                              hcbk0702 RE: Reservationsforone May 6, 2010 02:54 PM

                              I would agree with sgordon that you can get more value per dollar at other restaurants. But Per Se is the only NYC restaurant that legitimately aims for the standard of the better 3 Michelin star restaurants in Paris. If you're looking for that experience, Per Se is it.

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                              Per Se
                              10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

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                                sgordon RE: hcbk0702 May 6, 2010 05:37 PM

                                I don't know what "standard" this is you mean. I mean, we have five M3* restos here in NYC. How is PS the only one giving the experience if there are four others?

                                That said, I don't think the Michelin Guide is worth the paper it's printed on. But that's another matter.

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                                  hcbk0702 RE: sgordon May 6, 2010 06:24 PM

                                  Most of the tables at Per Se do only one turn per service. If you reserve a table, it's yours for the entire night. Compare that to Daniel or EMP which are closer to three turns per service. That would be considered unacceptable for a Michelin 3 star restaurant in France. Which is fine, NYC is not Paris. But if you choose to aim for the European 3 star model, you're going to incur a huge fixed cost, especially with only 16 tables in total. Per Se's dining room was deliberately designed to hold fewer seats than all the other NYT 4 star restaurants because they're aiming for that standard. The relatively enormous salon/bar and extensive private dining areas can't possibly help costs either.

                                  Service included. Again, part of the European model. No additional charge for sparkling/mineral water, coffee, espresso etc. European model. Uncommonly high cook:diner and server:diner ratios. A custom line of china and silverware. A take-away gift for every diner. Handwritten bills instead of just using print-outs. Memorized coat checks with no need for coat tags. These are little flourishes that invariably add to the total cost.

                                  Per Se also has the ability to up its game upon request or for VIPs. There's no other restaurant in NYC able to serve a four-top completely unique extended 20 course menus. 80 distinct courses for a single four-top, that's simply an impossibility for nearly any restaurant out there, but Per Se can pull it off with advance notice.

                                  As for Michelin, it has some systemic flaws, but there's a reason it's still the international standard (for Western restaurants at least). I consider it an important data point alongside all the other guides and ratings out there.

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                                  Per Se
                                  10 Columbus Circle, New York, NY 10019

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                          RGR RE: sgordon May 6, 2010 11:48 AM

                          "Prices at other high-end restaurants have remained essentially the same over the same period of time, going up maybe $10 here or there on their prix fixes...."

                          Actually, since the arrival of Chef Humm three years ago, the 3-course prix fixe at EMP has gone from $76 to the current $95. There was an increase a few weeks ago from $88, which had been the cost for a considerable length of time and made it the least expensive of the "NY Times" 4-stars. At $95, it remains so, but now just $3 below the next lowest, Jean Georges @ $98. Daniel is at $105 for 3 courses. Le Bernardin is $110, but I think that's for 4 courses. Way higher than Per Se, of course, is Masa @ $450.

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                            sgordon RE: RGR May 6, 2010 12:50 PM

                            True on EMP. But on average, PF prices have gone up around $10. Obviously there are exceptions. Also, EMP brought in Humm, and really upped their game. You're getting a bit more for that increase, it's not just inflation that went into it.

                            Yeah, LB is four courses, which is really a deal for what you get. Though I admit I'm one of those who finds the vibe there a touch stuffy. But that's for a different topic...

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                              RGR RE: sgordon May 6, 2010 01:29 PM

                              Just to note that Humm's first menu at EMP was a la carte on the left side and on the right, three different 6-course tasting menus (seasonal, fish/seafood and vegetarian) @ $76 each. The meal started with the longest parade of amuses we'd ever experienced, so much so that we kept wondering aloud when the actual meal was going to start. It was quite a spectacular introduction to his cuisine, and we were hooked!

                              1. re: RGR
                                sgordon RE: RGR May 6, 2010 02:24 PM

                                No one's ever complained about leaving hungry / not getting their money's worth at Humm's EMP, that's for sure. Yet another reason those four stars were well-deserved.

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                                  RGR RE: sgordon May 6, 2010 04:41 PM

                                  Actually, when Chef Humm first arrived, there were some complaints on this board about what some people considered too miniscule portions. Not that I ever felt that way.... The first *11* that we ever had, the portions were much too large, so that both my husband and I had trouble finishing. We told Chef Humm, and when we had the next one, he had scaled down the portions to perfect tasting menu size.

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                  rrems RE: Reservationsforone May 5, 2010 07:40 PM

                  Well, Lupa and Locanda Verde will fit that budget, and are worth it. Degustation is great, but to stick to that price range you will be limited as to the number of courses, so it is a good choice if you are not extremely hungry. There are plenty of other choices in the $80 range. Her are just a few examples:

                  Recette
                  Bar Blanc
                  Aldea
                  Crispo
                  Marseille
                  Allegretti
                  La Petite Auberge
                  Tabla

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                  Lupa
                  170 Thompson Street, New York, NY 10012

                  Crispo
                  240 W 14th St, New York, NY 10011

                  La Petite Auberge
                  116 Lexington Ave, New York, NY 10016

                  Aldea
                  31 West 17th Street, New York, NY 10011

                  Locanda Verde
                  377 Greenwich St, New York, NY 10013

                  Recette
                  328 West 12th Street, New York, NY 10014

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                    kathryn RE: rrems May 6, 2010 07:52 AM

                    Degustation is very much worth it if you can up your price range a little bit. The 10 course tasting left me stuffed and is $80pp before tax/tip/wine/drinks. (Whereas the 5 course is $55).

                    Otherwise, I heartily second Aldea. Try to sit at the chef's counter if you can; I believe you can specify when reserving.

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                    Aldea
                    31 West 17th Street, New York, NY 10011

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                    bhb1978 RE: Reservationsforone May 6, 2010 08:03 AM

                    Why not try something a bit more casual. Your list looks like Zagats put it together. These are all great New York restaurants, but going to these restaurants won't give you a truly local experience.

                    For "nicer" restaurants I would also suggest Union Square cafe. It's a true new york classic.

                    For more casual, have dinner Ssam bar. Grab a pie and Artichoke Basille's, Keste, or Motorino. Have ramen at Ippudo. Breakfast at Russ & Daughters. Last, Dinner at Little Owl.

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                    Russ & Daughters
                    179 E Houston St, New York, NY 10002

                    Little Owl
                    90 Bedford Street, New York, NY 10014

                    Ippudo
                    65 4th Ave, New York, NY 10003

                    Motorino
                    349 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003

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                      Reservationsforone RE: bhb1978 May 6, 2010 09:14 AM

                      Wow - this is perfect. Thanks All! and yes, we are definitely open to some more casual places - but may want to hit these places up for lunch. I so appreciate the feedback!

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                        RGR RE: bhb1978 May 6, 2010 11:36 AM

                        Breakfast (or any other meal) at Russ & Daughters is a great idea as long as you are willing to take it to go because there is no seating inside. There are two benches outside, one on either side of the entrance. And there is a park with benches on the corner of 1st & 1st.

                        Russ & Daughters Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11863391...

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                          gutsofsteel RE: RGR May 6, 2010 11:46 AM

                          Or just go to Barney Greengrass...

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                          Barney Greengrass
                          541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

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                            sgordon RE: gutsofsteel May 6, 2010 12:43 PM

                            I'll take R&D over Barney Greengrass, personally. The mini-park on 1&1 is a nice little place to nosh if the weather's nice, and you can get coffee or tea from the Veselka stand.

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                            Barney Greengrass
                            541 Amsterdam Ave, New York, NY 10024

                            Veselka
                            144 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

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                              kathryn RE: sgordon May 6, 2010 01:19 PM

                              Have you tried Bluebird in the old Simon Sips space? Really nice folks and the coffee is also quite good.

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                                sgordon RE: kathryn May 6, 2010 02:23 PM

                                I've been meaning to! Now that the weather is nice and we'll be doing weekend brunch picnics from R&D again, I'll have to pop in there. The coffee from the Veselka stand is serviceable, but nothing special.

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                                Veselka
                                144 2nd Ave, New York, NY 10003

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