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Mesa Grill - Paying for the name? v Bar Charlie

I am a big fan of bobby, i will be going to vegas in june and want to make reservations, going to be 4 friends (guys weekend) and we are only going to do one nice dinner

First off, is Mesa Grill very good or would we be paying for Bobby's name, as he certainly isnt going to be in the kitchen

Second, I have seen so many good reviews of Bar Charlie on these forums, am I crazy to consider going anywhere else?

I am in charge of planning everything so basically it is my call where we go...

I have seen lots of stuff about Bar Charlie on the forum but nothing really about Mesa Grill, so curious if that is because it is just so-so or that the forums tend not to go for big name chefs...etc

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Mesa Grill
3570 Las Vegas Blvd S, Las Vegas, NV 89109

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  1. Unfortunately, Bar Charlie is no more, which reduces your options.

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    1. re: QAW

      what happened to bar charlie?

      1. re: Dapuma

        They were a casualty of the current economic climate in Las Vegas. About six months ago they dropped from nightly service to just Friday/Saturday only, and recently Charlie Trotter closed both the main restaurant and the Bar Charlie wing. It was a shame to lose them.

        1. re: QAW

          well that answers my next question if the regular restraunt charlie was still there...so where is a good place to go along those same lines, i would certain love some recommendations, it sounds like Cut is a good steakhouse but i would prefer some more creativity as there are lots of good steakhouses in scottsdale az, unless there is one that is superior for a specific reason

          I saw some awesome reviews for bouchon, however can the rest of the people going with me get out of there for $100 each? im fine with spending more but over 100 with a drink or two and they might balk

    2. I've eaten at Mesa Grill once and that was enough for me. I found everything we ordered to be pretty bland and uninspired, with the exception of a couple of cocktails which were delicious. For the price, there are many better options.

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      Mesa Grill
      3570 Las Vegas Blvd S, Las Vegas, NV 89109

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      1. re: kdahl5

        That was my experience. Bland uninspired nails it. Considering the price, it was awful.

        1. re: rednyellow

          I agree with bland. We just had brunch there. Chorizo and egg enchilada had about zero chorizo in it. The tastiest thing we had there was a small dried fruit scone from the bread basket. We were disappointed.

      2. one other thing too is that we all like asian food as well, not sure if there is a specific asian restraunt that we should consider, good sashimi etc. but creative as well

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        1. re: Dapuma

          You would have to really splurge to spend more than $100/pp at Bouchon. Most of the apps are in the $10 to $20 range and the entrees in the $25 to $40 range. Wine is reasonably priced for Vegas. I highly recommend this place for dinner. It is highly lauded for breakfast as well, but I'm not a big breakfast person.

          My 3-visits to Mesa were all the polar opposites to what kdahl5 described. Maybe kdahl5 is more of a foodie than me, but I doubt it. I can't imagine the pork tenderloin ala Bobby Flay could ever be described as "uninspired". I highly recommend this place as well.

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          3355 Las Vegas Blvd S, Las Vegas, NV 89109

          1. re: climberdoc

            I'm with climberdoc on this one. That pork tenderloin is awesome. I have had many a good meal at Mesa. I don't know if I could use 'bland' to describe Flay's food.

            Another place you might want to look at is N9NE Steakhouse in Palms. Whenever I do a guys trip we usually get over to 9.

            1. re: aschaf

              I have been to N9ne before...the hostess staff is very impressive, as are their steaks - i would prefer to go someplace else other than N9ne since i have been there before

              i was reading the alex website, it said jacket recommeded but not required and no casual, so i am assuming that being dressed for going out on the town in vegas a la designer jeans, short sleeve button up t-shirt and dress shoes is too casual for alex, if anyone can confirm one way or another that would be great...i dont think that is the atmosphere we are going for if that is the case

              cut seems along the same price range as alex...

              Aureole which i saw in another thread sounds around the right price range for my group, and it is a charlie restraunt - so i guess the question is this:

              Aureole v Mesa Grill -- which is going to end up being better, or is there a third choice that i should consider as well

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              Mesa Grill
              3570 Las Vegas Blvd S, Las Vegas, NV 89109

              1. re: Dapuma

                For a great steak house, I highly recommend CUT; designer jeans would be perfect attire at CUT. Unfortunately, designer jeans and a t-shirt would not be appropriate attire for Alex; dress slacks and a button down shirt would be fine though. Depending on what you order at CUT, CUT should be less expensive than Alex. I recently posted my reviews of both restaurants if you're interested.

                1. re: Dapuma

                  Aureole vs. Mesa-Both are great options and places I make a point of getting back to. I don't think you'll go wrong with either. If choosing between these two, I'd look at the online menus and decide which type of food fits you and your group. Both are hip, usually bustling venues.

                  I've seen folks dressed quite casually at Alex. Casual to the point of being contradictory to their published dress code. My opinion is that dining at Alex is an event and I enjoy busting out some nice threads when I dine there. That said, in Vegas and in this economy you'd have to look pretty shabby to be refused service at Alex. So to answer your question, your proposed outfit is acceptable to some and not to others but the bottom line is it will get you served regardless. The tasting menu is downright fantastic if you decide to splurge and bust out of your price range.

                  1. re: climberdoc

                    I agree with you climberdoc, but when I had dinner last week at Alex, most patrons were wearing dressier clothes (2 couples were in formal attire--gowns for the women). There was also one table that was very casually dressed, and they did seem out of place. Nonetheless, the staff at Alex appeared to be treating them as nicely as any other table. The current tasting menu is fantastic!

                2. re: aschaf

                  I also looked at L'atelier however it seems like they have a very limited menu under 100...can anyone tell me if they have regular menu items other than the tasting and the menu club

                  are there other options on the menu club for 95...or is it just a set menu with no choices...not sure that fixed menu really works for everyone

                  are auerola and L't about equal? is i worth going to one over the other for a group of guys...hip vibe is something we are going for

                  1. re: Dapuma

                    Mesa Grill is good for lunch. I wouldn't consider it a dinner spot. The food is solid but I don't think anything there is stand out and he never changes the menu. I've been through that whole menu multiple times.

                    L'atelier is a great spot but you'd have to do the tasting because the a la carte prices are ridiculous.

                    I would look linto Cut, Sage and Julian Serrano. Those would be my choices for a guys night. Even Nob Hill wouldn't be bad.

                    1. re: SDGourmand

                      Bouchon is great for dinner and should be in your price range. Sage maybe bump up against it, but is also terrific (and quite creative, I felt). I was not a huge fan of Julian Serrano, and haven't eaten at Cut. For great Asian, I'd get off the strip and go to Raku, which is a terrific spot and which is well within the $$ amount you mentioned.

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                      Bouchon
                      3355 Las Vegas Blvd S, Las Vegas, NV 89109

                    2. re: Dapuma

                      Here is what I would do if I only had one night: I'd start with cocktails at Mesa Grill with a couple of appetizers. If they have the breadsticks in the bar, those are addicting. Last time they didn't have them. Then, I'd go to L'Atelier and splurge on the tasting menu and sit at the food bar so you can watch the chefs prepare the food. Other places mentioned are excellent but L'Atelier is a unique adventure. The tasting menu is expensive but I thought worth it and it will be a memorable meal - food quality and presentation, service, ambiance and service style - that you will all talk about for years. I went by myself but believe it would be even better for a group as you discuss and critique the million courses.

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                      Mesa Grill
                      3570 Las Vegas Blvd S, Las Vegas, NV 89109

              2. I've had very good meals at Mesa Grill, particularly for weekend brunch. The first time I went, I was sure I would dislike it because I hate Flay's TV personality. However, the chicken and sweet potato hash wowed me and I now usually try to make it to Mesa Grill for weekend brunch.

                FYI, I've been to Mesa about 6 times, and have seen Flay in the restaurant twice.

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                Mesa Grill
                3570 Las Vegas Blvd S, Las Vegas, NV 89109

                1. I try to get to MG every time I'm in Vegas. Could be lunch, could be dinner, could be the brunch - I don't think I've ever had a meal there that was bad. It's not high end, 5 star dining but if you like southwestern flavors and a good selection of tequilas it's a solid choice for at least one meal.

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                  1. re: gulfcoastpirate

                    1) If you have never tried Flay's food, it's just different. I really like it, but it isn't everyone's flavor profile. My wife has a tough time finding items she likes because she isn't into aggressive seasoning.
                    2) The dessert menu always rocks. Check out the current menu online.
                    3) The build your own margarita options are spectacular. They also have some premiums Mezcals for sipping.
                    4) Lunch or brunch is an easy way to test drive your taste for this "cuisine."

                    For me, Bouchon rocks 24/7 and anyone can find food to their liking within your price range. It's a much easier menu to make everyone happy. Last time there, we had a dessert that hit the all time favorite list.

                    I'd lunch @MG and have a margarita and dine at Bouchon.

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                    Bouchon
                    3355 Las Vegas Blvd S, Las Vegas, NV 89109

                    1. re: fishyak

                      No need to have dessert at Mesa when Payard is down the hall.

                  2. What's the dress style like at Mesa Grill? We're heading to Vegas soon and don't want to be underdressed for dinner. Likewise, I don't want to have to glam up if I don't have to.

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                    Mesa Grill
                    3570 Las Vegas Blvd S, Las Vegas, NV 89109

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                    1. re: justdidit

                      Very casual. Jeans and a tshirt would be fine.

                    2. We've been to Mesa Grill several times. I think it is much better for brunch or lunch than it is for dinner, there is more variety. As another poster, I had the chicken sweet potato hash on one visit for brunch, which was amazing! Our last visit was for dinner, and was pretty miserable, actually, the service was mediocre (which was a first for us), drinks terrible and overpriced, but the food was good. I think this is an anomaly, as our previous visits had been nice. So, we'll go back, but not for dinner...

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                      Mesa Grill
                      3570 Las Vegas Blvd S, Las Vegas, NV 89109

                      1. I gave it five stars for quality and value. I eat at a lot of high end restaurants on both coasts, and mesa grill never disappoints. My wife and I ate there on Monday (6/21) for the third time and felt the way we did the first two occasions: terrific. You're not paying for the "Flay" name, but you are paying Vegas prices. Still, I think it's reasonably priced, especially by comparison to B and B, Bartoli restaurant at the Venetian where I had a horrible experience the night before. Whenever we're in Vegas, my wife and I go to Mesa Grill so we're guaranteed at least one superb dining experience.

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                        Mesa Grill
                        3570 Las Vegas Blvd S, Las Vegas, NV 89109

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                        1. re: halaby

                          It's Batali and B&B is fine dining, Mesa is much more casual. I'm not a fan of B&B but it's not fair to compare the two. Mesa grill is more like San Marco.

                        2. Ate at Mesa Grill in Vegas last week. We had salads that were ok. They make much of their margaritas, I had one that was just ok, I didn't think it was that special. I had lamb which was really good and there were 2 big chops. I was disappointed though, because it came with a corn flan which sounded really interesting, but there was like a tablespoon of it. I'd have preferred less meat and more flan. (I'm really more of a "meat as a condiment" sort of eater.) I got a side of collard greens which I usually love, but they were cold on arrival and not that good. My companion had some kind of pork loin chops which were also very good, though they somehow managed to cook 2 nicely and overcook the third. Sauces with the meats were excellent.

                          It took us forever to get our main courses. I don't know why, as we were there quite early and the place was not very busy yet. We saw people come in after us and get their food much sooner.

                          I wouldn't say you're paying for the name as much as the location. It's overpriced, but that's just similar to every other restaurant in the nicer hotels on the strip. I probably wouldn't go again, didn't like it well enough to go back when there are so many other places to check out.

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                          Mesa Grill
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                          1. re: snippet

                            I am with the camp that thinks Mesa Grill is great. I like to eat there every time I am there, and the last time I ate there twice. I have never had anything that wasn't good--we often eat at the bar and the cocktails are fabulous.

                            However, I feel different than the majority about Bouchon. I have had both breakfast and dinner there and found them both underwhelming.

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                            3355 Las Vegas Blvd S, Las Vegas, NV 89109

                            Mesa Grill
                            3570 Las Vegas Blvd S, Las Vegas, NV 89109