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New Ottolenghi Cookbook - Plenty - is out

jen kalb Apr 25, 2010 05:38 PM

my copy just shipped from Amazon UK - about 22 euros including shipping

  1. pitu Apr 7, 2011 12:11 PM

    I think this just got released in the USA. Not the big white padded version, but a hardcover...

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    1. re: pitu
      roxlet Apr 7, 2011 12:54 PM

      Strangely, Amazon lists this as "reprint" edition and has the delivery time as 1-4 weeks. I wonder if it is just the UK version with a new jacket.

      1. re: roxlet
        buttertart Apr 7, 2011 01:03 PM

        I love that squeezy cover, I just love it. Like a baby book for big people. Brilliant publishing decision.

        1. re: buttertart
          roxlet Apr 7, 2011 01:30 PM

          Yes, it makes you want to caress it. Which reminds me that it's coming on Plenty season -- time to make more veg and such.

          1. re: roxlet
            buttertart Apr 7, 2011 01:53 PM

            Yay! I was thinking I'd try some more of the recipes in the Jane Grigson Vegetable book going along into spring.

        2. re: roxlet
          emily Apr 7, 2011 05:29 PM

          If you use the "look inside" feature, it looks like it has been updated with American measurements.

          1. re: emily
            Caitlin McGrath Apr 7, 2011 05:49 PM

            Yes, this is definitely a full US conversion, with American measurements and terminology. I notice that the description says there is a photo of every recipe. The photography that I see is the same, so I'm wondering if that's accurate - they would have had to add a bunch, as it is certainly not true of the Ebury edition. I'm thinking mis- or overstatement.

      2. The Dairy Queen Jul 30, 2010 02:56 AM

        Plenty is now indexed on EYB! Woohoo!


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        1. re: The Dairy Queen
          roxlet Jul 30, 2010 04:11 AM

          Thanks for the heads up!

          1. re: The Dairy Queen
            Gio Jul 30, 2010 05:31 AM

            TDQ - Plenty is showing as Not indexed on my bookshelf. It has been listed in the EYB library, though.

            1. re: Gio
              The Dairy Queen Jul 30, 2010 05:53 AM

              Hmmmm...weird, It's showing here on the list of the 100 books mostly recently indexed, which I believe was update in the past 24 hours. http://www.eatyourbooks.com/media/286...

              And, it has the IND symbol next to it when I view it from my bookshelf.

              But, you're right, when I look at the details of the book or try to search it, none of the recipes appear to have been indexed.

              Very perplexing.

              I wonder if someone internally meant to mark it "WI" for waiting to be indexed or something and instead marked it IND.


          2. pikawicca Jun 28, 2010 04:29 PM

            For my fellow "Cookbook sluts" (and I mean that in the nicest possible way), you might want to check out "Purple Citrus and Sweet Perfume" by Silvena Rowe. If you're an Ottolenghi fan, you'll love this.

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            1. re: pikawicca
              buttertart Jun 28, 2010 04:38 PM

              I've had my eye on that book - it may be time to break down and get it! (A cookbook slut and happy to be one, that's me!)

              1. re: pikawicca
                greedygirl Jun 28, 2010 07:26 PM

                This was featured in the Observer "Food Monthly" section a while back and I have to say it didn't grab me.

                1. re: greedygirl
                  pikawicca Jun 28, 2010 07:32 PM

                  How come? I made the Cannellini Beans and Za'atar Sauteed Mushrooms on Toast for lunch, and it was amazing. Simple and extremely delicious. The Fennel and Feta Kofte with Walnut Tarator is also incredible. I've dog-eared at least 50% of the recipes to try.

                2. re: pikawicca
                  Caitlin McGrath Jun 28, 2010 08:22 PM

                  Amazon UK suggested this to me when I bought Plenty. Haven't seen the book itself, but it strikes me as coming from a similar palate as Spice, Ana Sortun's book. Since I've seen you post about Spice, pikawicca, would you say that's true (even if the recipes don't cover quite the same ground)?

                  1. re: Caitlin McGrath
                    pikawicca Jun 29, 2010 05:54 AM

                    Interesting question. They are both books about updated eastern Mediterranean cuisine, so use many of the same ingredients. That said, the recipes are totally different. For example, each book has 5 recipes for chicken; they bear no resemblance to each other whatsoever.

                    I think that Sortun has a heavier hand with seasonings (not necessarily a bad thing).

                    Rowe's book has much the better format, IMO, and is easy on the eyes. It also has many gorgeous photos.

                    I am happy to give both of these books shelf space, will use them in rotation with Ottolenghi, Arabesque, etc. They are all marvelous books.

                    1. re: pikawicca
                      Caitlin McGrath Jun 29, 2010 09:55 AM

                      Thanks. It's unfortunate that I'm unlikely to be able to take a look in person without buying. Spice didn't speak to me all that much, though it has some interesting recipes, but I do love that kaleidescope of flavors.

                      1. re: Caitlin McGrath
                        buttertart Jun 29, 2010 12:19 PM

                        I didn't care for Spice very much either (I thought it was only me...and my chef's books thing...), and Arabesque seemed to me largely a retread of Roden's earlier books. Different things appeal to different folks of course.

                        1. re: buttertart
                          Caitlin McGrath Jun 29, 2010 12:22 PM

                          I find Arabesque very appealing, and a complement to the New Book of Middle Eastern Food.

                          1. re: Caitlin McGrath
                            buttertart Jun 29, 2010 12:46 PM

                            I'll have to take another look, o Caitlin!

                            1. re: Caitlin McGrath
                              greedygirl Jun 30, 2010 03:01 AM

                              I just got the Book of Middle Eastern Food as a gift, and I prefer Arabesque.

                              1. re: greedygirl
                                buttertart Jun 30, 2010 05:51 AM

                                Suum quique, baby! ;-)

                      2. re: Caitlin McGrath
                        greedygirl Jun 29, 2010 06:32 AM

                        Caitlin: That's what I thought when I saw the recipes (which have now been removed from the Observer website, sadly, as copyright has expired). They seemed overly fussy and complicated to me, and didn't leap off the page like Ottolenghi. i will seek out the book in a shop though and have another look.

                        1. re: greedygirl
                          pikawicca Jun 29, 2010 06:59 AM

                          Haven't seen the Observer website, but Rowe's recipes are certainly not fussy and complicated. They all fit on one page (which I appreciate), and don't call for an excessive number of ingredients.

                      3. re: pikawicca
                        JoanN Jul 28, 2010 04:54 AM

                        Article in today's NY Times on Silvena Rowe with three sample recipes from "Purple Cirtrus & Sweet Perfume," for any one who wants to check it out..


                        1. re: JoanN
                          buttertart Jul 28, 2010 06:36 AM

                          Once again we CHers are on the cutting edge...trendsetters...

                          1. re: buttertart
                            roxlet Jul 28, 2010 09:09 AM

                            We call it trend-surfing!

                            1. re: roxlet
                              buttertart Jul 28, 2010 09:11 AM

                              Watch out Faith Popcorn, we got your number.

                              1. re: buttertart
                                roxlet Jul 28, 2010 09:15 AM

                                I think she retired ;-).

                                1. re: roxlet
                                  buttertart Jul 28, 2010 09:25 AM

                                  Shows how up to date I am!

                      4. Caitlin McGrath Jun 28, 2010 02:42 PM

                        Well, I just bit the bullet and ordered Plenty, because Amazon UK currently has it on sale for £11.97 - price works out to a few cents under $30 once shipping to the US is added. This is just slightly more than that £11.25 sale price back in April (when I just didn't have extra $ - or £, I guess - to order it), but probably best price since then. Don't know how long the sale will last. I'll be curious to see how long delivery takes, following the conversation upthread.

                        1. emily Jun 8, 2010 11:11 AM

                          Finally received my copy yesterday -- damaged. Has anyone else had this problem? Usually not an issue with Amazon US, but the UK site is only allowing me about $3.50 to return the product, which clearly won't cover return shipping. Ugh.

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                          1. re: emily
                            Gio Jun 8, 2010 11:37 AM

                            When my copy arrived I noticed a thin blue pen line from top to bottom on the title page.. but I haven't done anything about it.

                            1. re: emily
                              emily Jun 22, 2010 03:29 PM

                              Felt obligated to follow-up to my post -- after I sent an email, Amazon UK shipped a new book and said I could keep the damaged one. Excellent customer service.

                              More on point, I think the recipes in Plenty might look even better than the first book. And there are a lot of them. Only disappointment is the non-existence of dessert recipes.

                            2. roxlet May 11, 2010 12:57 AM

                              David Lebovitz talks about his mom, beans, and Plenty in this post from his web site:


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                              1. re: roxlet
                                Gio May 11, 2010 04:54 AM

                                That was a nostalgic read... Fried butterbeans, hmmm? Must check that recipe out. Thanks, roxlet.

                                1. re: roxlet
                                  Gio May 12, 2010 07:03 AM

                                  In his blog today DL gives the recipe for Fried Beans with Sorrel, Feta & Sumac, information and sources for certain ingredients and pays tribute to Ottolenghi, the chef author.

                                  1. re: Gio
                                    roxlet May 12, 2010 07:45 AM

                                    Thanks! I didn't see that.

                                2. roxlet May 8, 2010 07:08 AM

                                  I have been sitting down today and reading through the book, but I am unfamiliar with the term 'broad beans' that seems to appear in many recipes. Are these favas?

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                                  1. re: roxlet
                                    Gio May 8, 2010 07:25 AM

                                    Roxlet yes. 'Broad beans' is another name for fava beans...AKA field beans.

                                    1. re: roxlet
                                      greedygirl May 8, 2010 03:24 PM

                                      Favas in American, as Gio says. They're one of my favourite vegetables, and about to come into season here - can't wait!

                                      1. re: greedygirl
                                        roxlet May 8, 2010 10:11 PM

                                        Given that broad beans are favas, I'm kind of surprised that they are featured as extensively as they are since the season for them is so short! I guess that they are available frozen (though I've neither looked for nor seen them), but I rarely buy frozen veg anyway with some notable exceptions -- peas and artichoke hearts. Are they any good frozen?

                                        1. re: roxlet
                                          greedygirl May 9, 2010 04:09 AM

                                          I buy frozen broad beans quite regularly. The season for fresh ones isn't that short - three months or so.

                                          1. re: greedygirl
                                            roxlet May 9, 2010 04:42 AM

                                            Three months? Really? I always think that they're gone in a flash, so maybe I'm not looking for them in the right shops or perhaps the season is longer in the UK.

                                        2. re: greedygirl
                                          roxlet May 9, 2010 03:00 AM

                                          And corn flour is corn starch or masa harina or corn meal?

                                          1. re: roxlet
                                            greedygirl May 9, 2010 04:09 AM

                                            Corn starch.

                                      2. The Dairy Queen May 7, 2010 03:11 AM

                                        FINALLY (but far in advance of the estimated delivery date of early June something), my copy of the book arrived. So very different in appearance from the first book. A less extreme rectangular shape (instead of that tall, narrow shape the first book had); white vs black; and all the graphics. But very beautiful.

                                        Even my husband, who beat me home today and had to open it with me on the phone because I insisted thought the photos looked appealing.

                                        I do worry a little about getting it dirty. Oh well. At least it will look well-loved.

                                        I can't wait to try these recipes. It seems like the kind of book where I can come home with whatever random vegetable that looks fresh from the farmers market and have confidence that there will be a delicious recipe to use it.


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                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                          buttertart May 7, 2010 05:57 AM

                                          It seems wipe-offable to me, the cover is a bit plasticated (in the best possible way of course).

                                          1. re: buttertart
                                            mebby May 7, 2010 06:05 AM

                                            Being a messy cook, I have already dribbled on mine and successfully wiped it clean -- the slightly padded smooth surface actually reminds me a little of one of those wipe-off books for babies (also in the best possible way of course, as we're all drooling over the book!).

                                            1. re: mebby
                                              The Dairy Queen May 7, 2010 06:55 AM

                                              You mean you've been able to wipe the pages after dribbling? That is pretty fantastic!


                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                buttertart May 7, 2010 07:22 AM

                                                Oops I was thinking of the cover only. Dribbles inside are badges of honor!

                                                1. re: buttertart
                                                  mebby May 7, 2010 09:05 AM

                                                  I'm a messy enough cook that I managed to splash on the cover even with the book open -- don't ask me how. And, yes, interior pages are dribbled with love already -- only made two dishes so far, but both great and both heartily approved of by my decidedly non-vegetarian husband. I wish there wasn't so much anti-Ottolenghi feeling on COTM -- this would be a great one for summer. I'm trying not to "cheat" on Gourmet Today too much, but it's awfully hard....

                                                  1. re: mebby
                                                    buttertart May 7, 2010 09:25 AM

                                                    I had the impression that those who loved the first book loved it a lot - as do I, the chocolate cake had people swooning - but it was perceived as difficult to get hold of and/or expensive, and the metric measurements threw some people for a bit of a loop.

                                                    1. re: buttertart
                                                      mebby May 7, 2010 10:33 AM

                                                      I totally get why it was a tough for some people -- and I know that many people loved it because I originally bought the book based on those glowing reviews. I just know from the nomination/voting thread this month that it was also one of the most polarizing months mostly because of availability.

                                                      I wish someone in the publishing world would just take the plunge and do an American edition -- it certainly seems well suited to American tastes and has such a great PR angle behind it (an Israeli and a Palestinian collaborating) that I would think it would do well. But I'm not in publishing, so what do I know?

                                                      1. re: mebby
                                                        The Dairy Queen May 7, 2010 12:20 PM

                                                        When it comes to COTM, I personally struggle (during the nominations and discussions) between balancing passion with inclusiveness. I mean, there will always people who can't or won't participate for one reason or another: inavailability of the book or ingredients; dietary and religious restrictions; personal taste, etc. And it is a lot more fun when more people participate, so, I think inclusiveness is a good thing, but sometimes, I wish we'd just choose the book for which the most people have genuine passion for. But, that's hard to do when you know you're effectively excluding someone or someone(s), usually specific someone(s), but it also makes me sad when people are just voting for the lesser of two evils kind of thing, or for a book they think would win vs. the book they really want.

                                                        Anyway, I've read through about 90% of Plenty now. It all sounds really interesting and I keep thinking, that this recipe or that recipe is one I'll have to keep in mind for when X or Y vegetable comes in my CSA...


                                                    2. re: mebby
                                                      greedygirl May 8, 2010 01:25 AM

                                                      Hey mebby, tell us what you made then....

                                                      1. re: greedygirl
                                                        roxlet May 8, 2010 01:26 AM

                                                        Maybe it's time to begin a "Cooking from Plenty" thread...

                                                        1. re: roxlet
                                                          The Dairy Queen May 8, 2010 03:43 AM

                                                          At roxlet's suggestion (and a suggestion from someone upthread), I went ahead and started a Cooking from Plenty thread. I hope that's okay.



                                                        2. re: greedygirl
                                                          mebby May 8, 2010 07:28 AM

                                                          The Very Full Tart I reported on above and which TDQ included in the new Plenty cooking thread. Also made Shakshuka but made a really dumb mistake toward the beginning with adding ingredients in wrong order (comes of trying to cook while simultaneously making dinner for kids and overseeing homework). So was going to make again and report then (it was still delicious).

                                            2. roxlet May 6, 2010 05:07 AM

                                              Well, mine arrived in Cairo, Egypt today, a full month earlier that the supposed arrival date. It is a beautiful book, but I am dismayed that it is so big and heavy. My DH is absolutely going to squawk when I ask him to schlepp it home, but I'm not leaving it here! Can't wait to dig in!

                                              1. pikawicca May 4, 2010 04:16 PM

                                                Still have not received "Plenty," but am enjoying cooking from "Long Nights and Log Fires," which I ordered at the same time. It's another British cookbook that I heartily recommend. I've tried 6 recipes so far, and they've all been delicious.

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                                                1. re: pikawicca
                                                  Gio May 4, 2010 05:18 PM

                                                  Which 6 recipes, Pika? Do you have the companion book too, "Lazy Days and Beach Blankets," ? That sounds like a perfect Summer book.

                                                  1. re: Gio
                                                    pikawicca May 4, 2010 05:58 PM

                                                    I don't have the companion book, didn't know it existed, but will get it.

                                                    The 6 good recipes"

                                                    Smashed Roast New Potatoes
                                                    Smoked Salmon and Chive Omelette
                                                    Trio of Vegetable dips with Spelt Toasts
                                                    Smoked Haddock and Bean Soup
                                                    Chocolate Brandy Cake
                                                    Baked Granny Smith and Blueberry Pudding (amazing)

                                                    1. re: pikawicca
                                                      greedygirl May 4, 2010 06:41 PM

                                                      Sounds wonderful, and you still need your log fire in May in this benighted country, it seems. Damn you for bringing my attention to this book. ;-)

                                                      1. re: greedygirl
                                                        buttertart May 5, 2010 06:14 AM

                                                        ...sighing deeply...

                                                      2. re: pikawicca
                                                        Gio May 5, 2010 06:42 AM

                                                        Well, those recipes certainly look very tempting. Such a nice variety of tastes there. The Smoked Salmon and Chive Omelette is something I'd make immediately especially since the chives in my garden are up and growing beautifully.

                                                  2. buttertart May 4, 2010 11:29 AM

                                                    Talk about cookbook as fetish object: the covers are padded and it's squeezy. Love the cover design and font used in the title. A sexy book!

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                                                    1. re: buttertart
                                                      The Dairy Queen May 4, 2010 11:34 AM

                                                      OMG! That sounds so fun. I have half a mind to call my elderly neighbor and ask her to go check my mail for me. I am so excited!


                                                      1. re: buttertart
                                                        greedygirl May 4, 2010 11:38 AM

                                                        I know! The squeezy padded cover is ace, isn't it, if a little disconcerting?!

                                                        1. re: greedygirl
                                                          buttertart May 4, 2010 11:44 AM

                                                          I totally love it. It's one of the nicest-looking books I've seen in ages. The first one was gorgeous, this one is sensuous!

                                                          1. re: buttertart
                                                            greedygirl May 4, 2010 12:33 PM

                                                            I've finally had the chance to have a good look through it and my head is spinning! So many great ideas and flavour combinations. A report from a different UK board (not food specific) I am a member of says the caramelised garlic tart is to die for.

                                                            1. re: greedygirl
                                                              buttertart May 4, 2010 12:40 PM

                                                              I can imagine. I was reading Sebastian Faulk's book "A Week in December" and there were several references to people eating prepared foods bought at astonishingly high prices...and the name Ottolenghi kept coming to mind!

                                                      2. mebby May 3, 2010 09:45 PM

                                                        I made the same Very Full Tart (p84) that Oakjoan did and found it quite delicious. It had big flavor from all the roasted veggies in it without having as much spice as I would have added, left to my own unsubtle devices -- and it wasn't really missed. It's basically roasted veggies and carmelized onions in a pie crust with ricotta, feta and an egg/cream combo, dotted with halved cherry tomatoes and thyme. Definitely a keeper -- and got the seal of approval from my not-so-veggie-friendly husband. Next time around I would probably reduce the amount of cheese a smidge and use half and half instead of cream -- it was just a little too thick to get the full lusciousness of the veggies, which are truly the star of the show.

                                                        It also reheated quite nicely tonight for dinner (which is a good thing as my refrigerator door fell off this morning, narrowly missing my 5-year-old, and the fridge is something of a quarantine zone tonight pending the arrival of the repair person tomorrow morning!). The flavors were even better after spending the night in the aforementioned offending fridge.

                                                        Next up: Breakfast for dinner in the form of the Shakshuka eggs on p87 (assuming the fridge is fixed tomorrow).

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                                                        1. re: mebby
                                                          greedygirl May 3, 2010 11:19 PM

                                                          Lol at fridge door falling off! Was this because it was full to bursting, by any chance?

                                                          Tart sounds great - I also like the sound of the garlic one. Top of my list at present is the soba noodles with aubergine and mango, which is an intriguing flavour combination.

                                                          1. re: greedygirl
                                                            mebby May 4, 2010 05:11 PM

                                                            I have no idea what you (or my husband) are inferring with that suggestion! I need everyone of those little jars and bottles. The repairman did gently suggest that I put a little less in, but I'm choosing to blame the children hanging on the door -- that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

                                                            I'm longing for that garlic tart as well, indulgent bit of decadence that it is. And I had somehow glossed over the soba noodle/aubergine/mango -- that sounds fantastic (although exactly the sort of fruit in the main course item that my husband does *not* go for) -- all the more for me I guess.

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                                                          Mothership May 3, 2010 02:33 PM

                                                          I didn't have either Ottolenghi: The Cookbook or Plenty, but after reading post after post raving about the recipes, broke down last Tuesday (April 27) and ordered both from AmazonUK. Both arrived on Thursday afternoon (April 29) on my doorstep in Florida. They were sent via UPS. Go figure - I can't even get mail across town that fast. Both books look really interesting.

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                                                          1. re: Mothership
                                                            hobbybaker May 4, 2010 10:37 AM

                                                            Mothership. You are so clever! I have not received my ottolenghi from ecookbook.com yet. I placed my order at the beg of April. They said they will have it on May 3rd. So, It should arrive shoon. Also, I might have paid more as these days USD is strong. I should have thought a bit better as you did:) Well, nextime when I order Plenty or The cookbook, I will do it with Amazon UK; )

                                                          2. greedygirl May 3, 2010 07:08 AM

                                                            If anyone would like a booklet containing all the recipes published in the Guardian the other week, send me an e-mail (in profile) and I'll put it in the post.

                                                            1. Gio May 1, 2010 10:16 AM

                                                              I got Plenty of Plenty, and Plenty's plenty for me !!
                                                              Yup, It has arriven. (sic)

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                                                              1. re: Gio
                                                                buttertart May 3, 2010 06:38 AM

                                                                Not I...not yet...snif snif...

                                                                1. re: buttertart
                                                                  jen kalb May 3, 2010 07:03 AM

                                                                  got mine on Friday from Deutsche Post
                                                                  its basically an all veg book - a few fruit recipes in the back.

                                                                  1. re: jen kalb
                                                                    buttertart May 3, 2010 07:08 AM

                                                                    Hmm, I had it sent to my work address (NJ). Maybe it'll be here today. Hope so!

                                                                    1. re: buttertart
                                                                      Gio May 3, 2010 07:36 AM

                                                                      Fingers and toes crossed for today's delivery...It's a terrific book. Many of us already have some of his ingredients in the pantry from his first book. His harissa recipe looks so good. His caponata recipe was in The Guardian a few days ago:

                                                                      I haven't reached it in the book yet...but... I'm making this tomorrow night.

                                                                      1. re: Gio
                                                                        greedygirl May 3, 2010 07:43 AM

                                                                        Do we need a new thread for recipe reviews of this book, do you think?

                                                                        1. re: greedygirl
                                                                          jen kalb May 3, 2010 08:34 AM

                                                                          Id be inclined to tack them onto the existing Ottolenghi threads and note "Plenty" for each recipe, but maybe that doesnt work - would need to look at the thread headings.

                                                                          1. re: jen kalb
                                                                            Gio May 3, 2010 08:55 AM

                                                                            Personally, I think "Plenty" ought to have its own thread. I would not want the COTM, "Ottolenghi:The Cookbook" confused with any other. Secondary threads tend to generate quite a lot of discussion as well as recipe reporting and I feel that would take some substance from the COTM reportage.

                                                                    2. re: jen kalb
                                                                      roxlet May 3, 2010 07:28 AM

                                                                      What was your estimated delivery date, jen? Mine shipped via Deutsche Post and had a delivery date of June 8th...

                                                                      1. re: roxlet
                                                                        jen kalb May 3, 2010 08:35 AM

                                                                        June 4

                                                                2. pikawicca Apr 30, 2010 05:48 PM

                                                                  Today I received "Long Nights and Low Fires," scheduled to arrive June 2. Ordered at the same time as "Plenty," scheduled to arive June 3. Therefore, I think "Plenty" is imminent.

                                                                  1. hobbybaker Apr 30, 2010 05:41 PM

                                                                    I might be totally behind the trend and out-of-date person ... I ordered his first book last month at ecookbook.com and still waiting for it. Hope you guys will share feedbacks on the new one soon :)

                                                                    1. mebby Apr 30, 2010 11:25 AM

                                                                      Just checked UPS.com and discovered that it was...at my front door! In my hot little hands now. Very impressed with 2-day turnaround from UK to LA!

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                                                                      1. re: mebby
                                                                        The Dairy Queen Apr 30, 2010 11:30 AM


                                                                        Wow, that is amazingly fast. I kind of want to leave work right now and see if I have any packages on my doorstep.


                                                                        1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                          buttertart Apr 30, 2010 11:37 AM

                                                                          Heck and damnation, I can't trace mine because of the Deutche Post/DHL service used...why Deutsche Post I have no idea. No tracking number. So it will be a nice surprise when it comes.

                                                                          1. re: buttertart
                                                                            The Dairy Queen Apr 30, 2010 11:42 AM

                                                                            I have that same problem! By the date est is June something, 2nd or 5th or something like that. I hope it won't be that long if melby got hers in only 2 days! I won't have time to cook from it this weekend anyway, but I could at least LOOK at it!


                                                                            1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                              greedygirl Apr 30, 2010 11:43 AM

                                                                              Ladies, the day is young (on your side of the pond)!

                                                                              PS Have you tried the Where's my Stuff link on the site?

                                                                              1. re: greedygirl
                                                                                buttertart Apr 30, 2010 11:54 AM

                                                                                Yep, that's where I got the info that no tracing was available. And the ID number in the header of the email must be the Amazon UK order no., tried to trace that on DHL, no nothin'. Plus of course when I look at Amazon UK, more books I want are suggested - any knowledge of "Purple Citrus and Sweet Perfume" by Silvena Rowe? !!?!!!??

                                                                                1. re: buttertart
                                                                                  Caitlin McGrath Apr 30, 2010 01:16 PM

                                                                                  I don't know what magic mebby worked to get a UPS shipment and so fast, but I don't recall ever getting anything from Amazon UK that wasn't sent via Deutche Post.

                                                                                  1. re: Caitlin McGrath
                                                                                    mebby Apr 30, 2010 04:04 PM

                                                                                    I swear I did nothing but order -- my first Ottolenghi book came via UPS also and almost as quick. But then I ordered a CD from them and it was close to a month even though it shipped within a couple days (via Royal Mail and USPS) -- so can't tell you why. Hoping you and all the others get yours very soon -- I definitely was not trying to gloat!

                                                                        2. re: mebby
                                                                          greedygirl Apr 30, 2010 11:31 AM

                                                                          I got mine today as well! It was under my front door step when I got home. Two days to LA is v. impressive.

                                                                          1. re: mebby
                                                                            roxlet Apr 30, 2010 11:36 AM

                                                                            Hmmm. I have no such hope for London to Cairo. When was the actual date that it was supposed to be delivered?

                                                                            1. re: roxlet
                                                                              mebby Apr 30, 2010 11:49 AM

                                                                              I ordered it this past Tuesday and it estimated delivery at June 4 or something like that. But then the next day I got a notice that it had shipped with an estimated arrival date of today. Don't know the rhyme or reason, but I'm happy nonetheless. I'm carrying it around like a security blanket -- it just went to the dry cleaners and back with me!

                                                                              1. re: mebby
                                                                                Gio Apr 30, 2010 01:40 PM

                                                                                This is your lucky day, obviously. I ordered my copy in March...but I did get the same refund Buttertart mentioned.

                                                                                1. re: mebby
                                                                                  buttertart Apr 30, 2010 02:36 PM

                                                                                  No fair people on the left coast get it before people on the right coast. We're closer to the UK after all (pout).

                                                                                  1. re: buttertart
                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Apr 30, 2010 03:54 PM

                                                                                    I know. I just checked. No book. Bummer.


                                                                                    1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                      buttertart May 1, 2010 04:33 AM

                                                                                      I knew I should never have left Berkeley!

                                                                                      1. re: buttertart
                                                                                        oakjoan May 3, 2010 09:16 PM

                                                                                        Well, buttertart, we might just fall into the sea in the next few days, so perhaps you're lucky you moved away...unless you moved to New Orleans.

                                                                                        1. re: oakjoan
                                                                                          buttertart May 4, 2010 05:56 AM

                                                                                          Lots of rain? Or earthquake fears? I'm in NYC where seemingly all we have to worry about is being blown up to kingdom come. By the way, still no book, damnit!

                                                                                          1. re: buttertart
                                                                                            The Dairy Queen May 4, 2010 07:30 AM

                                                                                            I keep rushing home to check the mail. No book. I don't really have time to cook for the next two weeks anyway, but I want to start planning!


                                                                                            1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                              buttertart May 4, 2010 09:25 AM

                                                                                              You may get it today - mine just now arrived! :)

                                                                            2. roxlet Apr 28, 2010 12:24 PM

                                                                              I caved today and ordered it to be delivered to Cairo, where I have a fantastic veg market across the street. I received a notice saying it had been dispatched today with an estimated delivery date of June 8th. I'll be curious to see when it actually shows up. BTW, the total price, including shipping was about $30.

                                                                              1. mebby Apr 26, 2010 05:54 PM

                                                                                Yeah! Just ordered mine as well -- and a replacement copy of the original Ottolenghi book as I just gave mine away yesterday to a friend.

                                                                                Re: Amazon UK shipping times, I have only ordered twice and the experience was completely different. Both times it shipped right away, but the first time (using UPS) it arrived within a week -- faster than a Jessica's Biscuit order I placed the same day -- and the second time (using Royal Mail), it took close to a month. May be related to the carrier they choose for shipping?

                                                                                Can't wait to dive into the new book!

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                                                                                1. re: mebby
                                                                                  greedygirl Apr 28, 2010 12:44 AM

                                                                                  I ordered mine yesterday - let's see who gets it first!

                                                                                  1. re: greedygirl
                                                                                    mebby Apr 28, 2010 11:13 AM

                                                                                    OK, greedygirl, the race is on! I just got my notification that the books have "dispatched" with an estimated arrival of April 30 via UPS (total of US $58.13 for both books including S&H). Given that I'm in Los Angeles and I gather you're in/near London, I think you have a bit of an edge in this race, so I'm definitely going to feel free to bash on the Royal Mail if I win! ;)

                                                                                    1. re: mebby
                                                                                      greedygirl Apr 28, 2010 12:08 PM

                                                                                      Well mine isn't coming via Royal Mail, unfortunately, but by a totally useless home delivery company, so my bet's on you, especially as my ETA is 4 May! Last time they used this company, my stuff was driven around London for four days before getting to me, so I'm not holding my breath...

                                                                                      1. re: greedygirl
                                                                                        mebby Apr 28, 2010 05:31 PM

                                                                                        That's hysterical. But two days from England to California with standard shipping seems a little crazy doesn't it? We'll see if they live up to promises. And BTW, I expect that the USPS shared a bit with Royal Mail on the dubious efficiency of my previous shipment -- just indulging in a bit of Brit baiting!

                                                                                        1. re: mebby
                                                                                          greedygirl Apr 29, 2010 04:08 AM

                                                                                          But it's the ROYAL Mail, mebby. It's special, dontchaknow.

                                                                                          1. re: greedygirl
                                                                                            mebby Apr 30, 2010 07:04 AM

                                                                                            I'm stalking my book -- UPS says it is now in California and due to arrive today (although apparently they flew it back and forth between Kentucky and Pennsylvania a couple times just for fun). The countdown to deliciousness -- or at least a cover-to-cover droolfest -- is on!

                                                                                            1. re: mebby
                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Apr 30, 2010 07:09 AM

                                                                                              Oh, good idea. I'm going to check UPS and see if mine is in CA, too.

                                                                                              EDIT: oh. :( . I can't figure out how to track it. There's no tracking number.


                                                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                mebby Apr 30, 2010 09:10 AM

                                                                                                On my dispatch confirmation there was a tracking number in the first line -- I just clicked on it (it doesn't appear to be a hyperlink but it is) and it took me to UPS tracking with all info for the package displayed. But I think that's only if they shipped UPS -- I couldn't track when they shipped regular post.

                                                                                2. buttertart Apr 26, 2010 06:22 AM

                                                                                  My email came this morning. It said it would deliver appx June 3? Surely with DHL/Deutsche Post they meant May 3...the last book I got from Amazon UK arrived within 10 days.

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                                                                                  1. re: buttertart
                                                                                    Gio Apr 26, 2010 06:36 AM

                                                                                    My e-mail said delivery 4 June...

                                                                                    1. re: buttertart
                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Apr 26, 2010 06:42 AM

                                                                                      Is this a brand-new book delivery delay or a coming from the U.K. delivery delay? My recollection is that my first Ottolenghi book arrived more quickly than I expected, though, my expectations were low...


                                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                        buttertart Apr 26, 2010 06:50 AM

                                                                                        Not sure. The other one definitely came within a week or so. Let's keep our fingers crossed! (I was charged GBP 15.00 not 11.25 for it by the way.)

                                                                                        1. re: buttertart
                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Apr 26, 2010 06:53 AM

                                                                                          I know it's just a matter of time before I break down and buy this book, but, I wouldn't have time to cook from it for a month or so anyway, so why not wait to see what you all all on the cutting edge of cookbookery have to say about it? But, yeah, I'm so close to buying the darn thing on impulse.


                                                                                          1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                            jen kalb Apr 26, 2010 07:21 AM

                                                                                            I suspect that many or most of these recipes have already been published in the online column so we may have seen them already, but it will be a pleasure to have the hardcopy compilation instead..

                                                                                            1. re: jen kalb
                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Apr 26, 2010 07:29 AM

                                                                                              You're probably right! Because these recipes require a lot of conversion of weights and ingredient names, I find that it's especially helpful to be able to write them in the book for future reference. Of course, I can do that with a hard-copy print out, too, but those tend to get lost and misplaced, etc., at least in my household.

                                                                                              I just looked at the excerpt again, thinking maybe I should give those recipes a whirl before committing to buying the book. That black tofu recipe has my name on it right now.

                                                                                              Here's the link, again, that you posted at the bottom of Candy's Ottolenghi thread:




                                                                                            2. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                              buttertart Apr 26, 2010 07:25 AM

                                                                                              Come on TDQ, you know you wanna...

                                                                                            3. re: buttertart
                                                                                              Caitlin McGrath Apr 26, 2010 04:44 PM

                                                                                              If you ordered it previously, that would explain the price, as it just went on sale for GBP11.25 today (I got a promo email this AM, which indicated the sale price is through May 3).

                                                                                              1. re: Caitlin McGrath
                                                                                                greedygirl Apr 27, 2010 12:30 AM

                                                                                                Makes mental note to order before May 3.

                                                                                                1. re: greedygirl
                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Apr 27, 2010 04:23 AM

                                                                                                  Oh, geeze, it's a special price? Now I'm really tempted. I think I'm just going to take the plunge.

                                                                                                  EDIT: okay, I caved in. I was going to pick up a copy of Hopkinson's "Vegetarian Option" while I was at it, but, boy, that book is getting pretty pounded in the Amazon reviews, partly, it seems because it's not very vegetarian (one gal claims that there is a recipe that literally calls for chicken breast). Bummer. I decided to pass on that one for now.

                                                                                                  But I'll be PLENTY busy cooking from Plenty, I'm sure.


                                                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                    oakjoan Apr 30, 2010 05:23 PM

                                                                                                    I have a small, illustrated booklet of Plenty and tried a veggie tart last night for dinner. Despite some mishaps that I caused by not tossing out the foil container for beans (pie weights) before it disintigrated and fell all over the place, knocking over the tart case so that I was forced to piece it back together, this was a delicious dish. It's a tart of sweet potatoes, etc....I posted a thread somewhere here last night.

                                                                                                    1. re: oakjoan
                                                                                                      mebby Apr 30, 2010 06:19 PM

                                                                                                      How were the sweet potatoes? That was the only thing that seemed odd in the bunch, although potentially delicious. I am planning to make the same thing on Sunday. (Recipe is also online -- just google "Ottolenghi very full tart" and you'll find a preview of the book -- also available through Guardian column -- thanks oakjoan for your post on your free cookbook bounty that led me to this!)

                                                                                                      1. re: mebby
                                                                                                        oakjoan May 3, 2010 09:10 PM

                                                                                                        mebby: The sweet potatoes were quite delicious paired with roasted peppers, etc. A very interesting taste combo.

                                                                                                    2. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                      poptart May 3, 2010 12:39 PM

                                                                                                      I just bought a copy of Hopkinson's "Vegetarian Option" and thumbing through I got very hungry. In the book intro I believe he states it's not intended to be a strict vegetarian book...but I suppose the title can be misleading.

                                                                                                      It looks fabulous, though and I look forward to cooking from it.
                                                                                                      Now you all have me thinking about the Ottolonghi on special...

                                                                                                      1. re: poptart
                                                                                                        Gio May 3, 2010 12:46 PM

                                                                                                        I have Vegetarian Option and have already cooked a couple of recipes. Can't remember which ones at this moment. Don't think it's because they're forgettable, it's probably just a brain warp. Two different approaches..,. Hopkinson and Ottolenghi.

                                                                                                        1. re: Gio
                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen May 3, 2010 12:49 PM

                                                                                                          Do you remember liking them, Gio?


                                                                                                          1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                            Gio May 3, 2010 12:51 PM

                                                                                                            Duh... I think so... LOL. When I get back to the kitchen I'll look at my notes and post the recipes and results tonight.

                                                                                                            1. re: Gio
                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen May 3, 2010 12:53 PM

                                                                                                              Ha! Okay, thank you!


                                                                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                Gio May 3, 2010 12:55 PM

                                                                                                                [insert sideways grinning moron icon here to indicate humor]

                                                                                                                1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                  Gio May 3, 2010 05:36 PM

                                                                                                                  Vegetarian Option:
                                                                                                                  Baked Butternut Squash with Olive Oil and Lemon, Pg. 42

                                                                                                                  Well, as I said, I cooked a couple of recipes from Plenty. The only thing is I didn't cook 2 recipes I cooked one recipe twice.

                                                                                                                  To start, preheat the oven to 375F. Quarter the squash from top to bottom lengthwise. Scoop out the seeds and strings. Place in a baking dish, season, and spoon about 3 T EVOO over all. Bake about 1 hour or till very tender. Baste from time to time. When the squash comes out of the oven squeeze lemon juice all over to your taste. The first time I served them as is. The second time I grated Parmigiana over as suggested. Both were delicious.

                                                                                                                  1. re: Gio
                                                                                                                    poptart May 4, 2010 10:59 AM

                                                                                                                    Sounds wonderful, thanks for the review.

                                                                                                                    1. re: poptart
                                                                                                                      Gio May 4, 2010 11:07 AM

                                                                                                                      Your Welcome. I see I mis-typed. Yet again. That recipe will be found in Vegetarian Option NOT Plenty. (>.<)

                                                                                                            2. re: Gio
                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen May 7, 2010 04:38 AM

                                                                                                              The funny thing is, I'm reading through the intro to Plenty and, in fact, he very clearly announces that he is not a vegetarian and even refers to an "accident" he made when writing his Guardian column wherein he suggested a dish be served alongside some nice lamb chops. I haven't read all the way through Plenty, but he says in the intro that he makes occasional references in the book to fish or whatever. He also says that he uses cheeses that require rennet (like parmesan, which i always forget when I feed vegetarians) and so on. So, I wonder if their approaches really are very different after all.

                                                                                                              So, it's weird, why aren't people turning on Ottolenghi the same way they seem to be doing on Hopkinson (in the Amazon reviews anyway.) Maybe there aren't enough reviews of Plenty on Amazon yet and they eventually will? People are so funny.


                                                                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen
                                                                                                                Gio May 7, 2010 07:46 AM

                                                                                                                Neither chef is a vegetarian, but I think where Hopkinson uses more or less familiar ingredients, Ottolenghi takes great pleasure in using ingredients which are not so well known..or readily available, shall we say. And don't they make a terrific difference in the finished dish.

                                                                                                    3. re: buttertart
                                                                                                      buttertart Apr 30, 2010 09:15 AM

                                                                                                      Amazon UK refunded me GBP 3.75! Great!

                                                                                                      1. re: buttertart
                                                                                                        jen kalb Apr 30, 2010 10:31 AM

                                                                                                        i like that too!

                                                                                                  2. re: buttertart
                                                                                                    roxlet Apr 26, 2010 09:19 AM

                                                                                                    I've been ordering books from Amazon UK to be delivered here in Cairo, and while the delivery estimate date has always been many weeks away, the books always show up in about a week.

                                                                                                    1. re: roxlet
                                                                                                      buttertart Apr 26, 2010 09:23 AM

                                                                                                      It's fun to have something coming and not know exactly when, rather like when we were kids and wrote away for stuff.

                                                                                                      1. re: buttertart
                                                                                                        roxlet Apr 26, 2010 01:29 PM

                                                                                                        Yes, you're right. I actually remember writing away for catalogs, hard as that may be to believe given how inundated we seem to be with them these days! And I would wait anxiously for them to arrive, and pour over them endlessly.

                                                                                                      2. re: roxlet
                                                                                                        oakjoan May 3, 2010 09:12 PM

                                                                                                        roxlet: Is that KAY ROW Illinois or KAI ROW Egypt?

                                                                                                        1. re: oakjoan
                                                                                                          roxlet May 3, 2010 10:17 PM

                                                                                                          Kay Row Egypt, oakjoan. Two and a half months left and I'll be home. I'm hoping Plenty comes in time for my husband to take it home with him after his next visit. I figure I can copy out the recipes to try here, and then have the book home when I get there mid-july in time for all the wonderful summer vegetables. When I ordered some books for my son from Amazon UK, they always came relatively quickly, but they were sent Royal Mail. This is the first time one of the books was sent DHL. I'm hoping it shows up this week...

                                                                                                    2. roxlet Apr 26, 2010 03:57 AM

                                                                                                      I was just on the AmazonUK web site, and they have a brief video of Ottolenghi demonstrating a very yummy looking and simple eggplant dish. Definitely want to try this, but the one thing that surprised me was that his cracked pepper came from a jar! Anyway, I think it's worth taking a look!

                                                                                                      1. The Dairy Queen Apr 26, 2010 03:51 AM

                                                                                                        ooh ooh ooh! You are going to try a few recipes and tell us all about them, right?


                                                                                                        1. greedygirl Apr 26, 2010 01:23 AM

                                                                                                          Exciting! And it's only £11.25 now.

                                                                                                          1. Gio Apr 25, 2010 07:14 PM

                                                                                                            Whoo Hoo...I got that e-mail today too. I can't wait to get it.

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