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Is there better Thai than Sukhothai in Toronto?

Platoputas Apr 19, 2010 11:30 AM

I visited Sukhothai two weeks ago because it was on so many people's "to-do" list on this board. And I have to say thank you to each and every one of you because it's my new favourite restaurant. I've eaten my share of Thai food in Toronto (Mengrai, Linda, Real Thailand, Young Thailand, Sorn Thai, Thai Princess, Bangkok Garden, Mai Thai) and in my mind, Sukhothai trumps them all.

http://www.sukhothaifood.com/

It's located slightly out of the downtown core (on Parliament, south of Dundas) which may explain why it wasn't on my radar. (Or perhaps people were keeping quiet about this hidden gem, which is understandable and justified.) The space is tiny, I counted only 24 seats.

The one recommendation I'd make is to definitely make a reservation. I arrived on a Wednesday at 8pm without one, and it took about 45 minutes to get a table. I noticed a large party that arrived at about the same time with a reservation and still had to wait about 10 minutes. So it may still be a wait, but at least it'll be shorter with a reso.

I started my meal with the Garlic Chicken ($7.25). I’d read rave reviews about this dish and it's everything I yearn for in a piece of chicken, and more. There’s a crispy outside that’s countered by the most tender, juicy meat inside. There’s hit of garlic in the initial crunch, and a slightly spicy yet sweet dipping sauce.

The knockout dish for me is one of the their specialties, Khao Soi ($8.35). It pairs soft yellow noodles and crispy fried ones with curry gravy and the most succulent and soft slow-cooked beef. It’s the kind of meat you bite into and you’re literally shocked by how it melts in your mouth. I've got photos and a more detailed review on our blog, feel free to check it out.

The chef and one of the co-owners previously ran a restaurant in Pai, Thailand, before opening up Sukhothai. So in terms of authenticity, it feels really good.

The best part is the price. The most expensive dish on the menu clocks in at $9.39. It's a family run restaurant and the vibe is definitely casual. The ambience is certainly not upscale and the decor makes it feel like the hidden gem that it is.

Now, after all that gushing, please tell me if I'm overlooking any other hidden gems in terms of Thai food in Toronto. Is there some place out there that's better than Sukhothai?

www.platoputas.com

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Thai Princess
387 King St W, Toronto, ON M5V1K1, CA

Sorn Thai
2550 Yonge St, Toronto, ON M4P2J2, CA

Sukhothai
274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

Bangkok Garden Restaurant
557 Church St, Toronto, ON M4Y2E2, CA

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  1. TorontoJo RE: Platoputas Apr 19, 2010 11:56 AM

    Nope. :)

    1. aser RE: Platoputas Apr 19, 2010 12:01 PM

      The bonus is the owners are some of the nicest/friendliest people around, and will make an effort to remember you if you're a repeat customer.

      Sounds basic enough for most restaurateurs to do, but in reality is often neglected.

      sukhothai otaku here...

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        Pincus RE: Platoputas Apr 19, 2010 12:06 PM

        It's the top!

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          chalenegirl RE: Platoputas Apr 19, 2010 12:20 PM

          no i really don't think there is :). The owners are really the nicest people as well!

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            peppermint pate RE: Platoputas Apr 19, 2010 12:22 PM

            Um...no. Not even close. Been there 20+ times now and had them deliver a few meals for a large group as well. Delicious, authentic, consistently wonderful food, great value and about the nicest people you could ever hope to meet. Welcome to the bandwagon.

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              Flexitarian RE: peppermint pate Apr 19, 2010 12:44 PM

              It's hard to be Sukhothai. It's as close to authentic well-prepared fresh Thai food as you can get in Toronto. Mengrai is the only one that I think comes very close in terms of food. I don't eat Thai anywhere else anymore (in Toronto anyway). But, if you go to both you will see that as far as ambience goes, Mengrai is a much more of a dining experience, having a nice dining room where you can actually dine comfortably. Sukhothai doesn't really have the ambience, is very bright and is place where you mostly 'eat' vs dine in the traditional sense. But it is still a nice comfortable place and the food simply cannot be beat..

              I did ask the owner if his wife was from Thailand and he said yes. They are both very nice and friendly.

              My only gripe is that I order take out from Sukhothai quite a bit and often they don't even bother to answer the phone. I think they are just so busy (and obviously don't need more business). However, sometimes I just walk over for take-out after they haven't answered the phone and they are able to prepare something in about 10-15 minutes for me to take away.

              As an aside, with the dearth of decent Thai restaurants in Toronto I have taken to making Thai food myself more often and thank you to those of you who suggested Vientiane Trading Co.Ltd., 51B Jutland Rd, Toronto 416 743 2911 as a source of Thai Ingredients. They actually supply most of the Thai restaurants in Toronto and had some I could not find anywhere in Chinatown such as dried shrimp, preserved tamarind vs tamarind paste and actual Thai salted radish vs the Taiwanese brands that Chinatown has, which might be just as good but my recipes say 'Thai' salted radish is required!

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              Mengrai
              82 Ontario Street, Toronto, ON M5A 2V3, CA

              Sukhothai
              274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

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                peppermint pate RE: Flexitarian Apr 19, 2010 12:56 PM

                I would agree that if you're looking for any kind of a remotely elegant dine-in atmosphere, then Sukhothai isn't your place. Mengrai is a lovelier space to dine in but in my 2 experiences there, the food doesn't come close. I would also agree that their not answering the phone can be really crazy-making, plus you can't leave a voicemail. Sometimes I want to call for either take-out or just to see if I might get a table and after a few tries, I'll just move on - I don't think it's any kind of an arrogant "don't need your business" thing, more like a less than charming quirk of a sometimes overwhelmed family-run, informal restaurant. And yes, Nuit is most definitely from Thailand, the lovely little town of Pai.

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                Mengrai
                82 Ontario Street, Toronto, ON M5A 2V3, CA

                Sukhothai
                274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

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                  neighborguy RE: Flexitarian Apr 19, 2010 05:19 PM

                  Is Vientiane still open? Last time I drove by it was closed.

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                    Flexitarian RE: neighborguy Apr 19, 2010 07:51 PM

                    Just phone the number I listed! I was only there a week ago. They also told me when I was there that they are open 6 days a week until 5pm. They have 2 different door locations on their warehouse so make sure you bang on both. (They are mostly a distribution warehouse rather than a retailer but have no problem serving retail customers).

                    Did you go to the Jutland Rd address I listed? They've moved from the Bradstock Rd location (which a lot of internet searches will still pull up).

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                      neighborguy RE: Flexitarian Apr 20, 2010 04:32 PM

                      The Bradstock location is closed.

              2. pinstripeprincess RE: Platoputas Apr 19, 2010 12:37 PM

                about 3 weeks ago they got some press in 5 major and minor food news outlets.... the waits have been crazy since then. i would highly suggest early dining as they can get overwhelmed and cut back on the take-out orders they can fulfill.

                i absolutely adore them.

                1. Platoputas RE: Platoputas Apr 19, 2010 12:52 PM

                  This is one bandwagon I'm not planning on leaving. Glad to know the consensus is they are the top pick. Heck, all this talk means I'm going again tonight.

                  1. Dimbulb RE: Platoputas Apr 19, 2010 01:27 PM

                    That little place on Gerrard — Thai To Go — is pretty good. But take-out only. As is Flip Toss & Thai on Harbord. The last pad Thai I had at Suko last week was not nearly as good (or as spicy) as the ones I had before Christmas. Seems like they've toned things down a bit. But then, maybe that's just me.

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                      xiolablue RE: Dimbulb Apr 19, 2010 01:33 PM

                      Flip Toss Bad

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                        aser RE: Dimbulb Apr 19, 2010 01:55 PM

                        You can ask for "thai spicy", which is super duper hot. Last time my plate was filled w/ thai chilis, and my stomach paid the price afterwards. It was very tasty.

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                          Wahooty RE: Dimbulb Apr 20, 2010 06:35 AM

                          I also adore Sukhothai, but I did have one experience there where my "spicy" pad thai was anything but - I think my being there with someone who made it clear they couldn't handle any spice may have been the reason, but I also think maybe my waitress didn't believe I really wanted it spicy. Never had a problem when I order takeout, though. The easy solution is to order your dishes with the spice on the side, and apply the chili/oil/spice mixture to taste.

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                          Sukhothai
                          274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

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                            chalenegirl RE: Wahooty Apr 20, 2010 06:45 AM

                            omg, their chili oil blend is ridiculously good.

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                              Pincus RE: Wahooty Apr 20, 2010 07:47 AM

                              I've been getting "medium" but next visit I swear to bump my meal up to "hot".

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                                Flexitarian RE: Wahooty Apr 20, 2010 08:49 AM

                                Honestly, given my consistent and great experiences with Sukhothai, I'd err on the side of they just accidentally mixed up the order.

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                                Sukhothai
                                274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

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                                  pinstripeprincess RE: Wahooty Apr 20, 2010 09:19 AM

                                  their level of spice seems to be dependent on who is in the kitchen... at the start of my visits i was a mild, then i moved up to a medium, and based on my last visit i might be back down to a mild.

                                  but the best solution is the one you follow, just get it on the lower side if you're not sure and mix in the chili oil. it's a fantastic and nuanced chili oil.

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                                    childofthestorm RE: pinstripeprincess Apr 20, 2010 09:44 AM

                                    I get "Thai Spicy" and Jeff knows I can handle it, I've traveled a lot in Thailand. The last penang curry I got was almost too much for me though - my scalp was sweating, that's when it's getting REAL.

                                    Best in the city hands-down, I would like it right now actually.

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                                Yum2MyTum RE: Platoputas Apr 20, 2010 08:54 AM

                                To provide yet another answer: no. We are so lucky to have a place like Sukhothai in the city. I love the red fish curry and the garlic shrimp, and always have to get the Tom Yum soup when I go as well... I also had a delicious Thai basil rice dish that was on special a while ago. I think it's time for another visit.

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                                Sukhothai
                                274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

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                                  justto RE: Yum2MyTum Apr 20, 2010 10:22 AM

                                  Thai Shan Inn does some dishes better. Although there main dishes' spicing lacks somewhat.

                                  Their mango salad is top notch. Fried rice is done wonderfully with wokhay. They also make their own house hot sauce.

                                  They just moved to dufferin, north of eglinton. The address from chowhound is an old one.

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                                  Thai Shan Inn Restaurant
                                  2404 Dufferin St, Toronto, ON M6E 3S8, CA

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                                    Pincus RE: justto Apr 20, 2010 12:55 PM

                                    Do you know how far north?

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                                      pbelanger RE: Pincus Apr 20, 2010 03:15 PM

                                      In the West, there is Thai Chef, on Roncesvalles, and my fav is taste of thailand on Dundas, West of Kipling... both comparable (8/10), but not sukhothai (10/10)
                                      however, nothing, and I mean nothing, and i've travelled the province for thai, beats an old restaurant by the name of Somporn, on Dundas at Keele. The chef there, Somporn, still lives in the area, but the restaurant is closed. She will cater your party and she is the absolute best.

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                                        Flexitarian RE: pbelanger Apr 20, 2010 05:13 PM

                                        How does one get in touch with her? And I assume she would cater a dinner party rather than an hors d'ouvres and drinks party, or does she also make thai hors d-ouvres?

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                                          pbelanger RE: Flexitarian Apr 22, 2010 11:04 AM

                                          I'll have to check with my wife for the number...

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                                        justto RE: Pincus Apr 20, 2010 04:36 PM

                                        Thai Shan Inn
                                        2404 Dufferin St
                                        Toronto
                                        416 784 3335

                                        I think it is less than a block north of eglinton.

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                                          pbelanger RE: justto Apr 22, 2010 02:37 PM

                                          just drove by a half hour ago. It is on the west side, on the second block north of eglinton, and open for business. parking would appear to be an issue however, as you may have park on a nearby side street.

                                  2. duckdown RE: Platoputas Apr 21, 2010 11:39 AM

                                    I've heard alot about this place, too bad my experience with Thai food doesn't really go outside of Thai Express which is probably the McDonalds of Thai food... We don't have many options here in Brampton/Mississauga.

                                    On a side note, does anyone know if Suko Thai (_not_ Sukhothai) in Mississauga is any good?

                                    I had a pad thai from Thai Express the other day, and even that fast food style hit the spot at the time so I really want to try the "real deal" some time soon.

                                    Or any other reccomendations in Sauga, I am all ears

                                    thanks

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                                    Sukhothai Restaurant
                                    11 4th St E, Cornwall, ON K6H2H7, CA

                                    1. Flexitarian RE: Platoputas Apr 21, 2010 12:48 PM

                                      Lots of people appear to use a Thai resto's Pad Thai as the benchmark for whether the restaurant knows how to make authentic Thai food. Many have commented on here and other threads that Thai restos that use ketchup in their Pad Thai are inferior (and I agree).

                                      Just what are they substituting the ketchup for.in the Pad Thai? Is it instead of the tamarind paste or are they just adding ketchup to mask the absence of other ingredients or just to sweeten it up, or both ? I've looked at many Pad Thai recipes and tasted many restaurant Pad Thai's, both here, Australia (where good Thai food is one big notch above here and abundant) and in Thailand. In Toronto, there are only a few Pad Thai's that stand out - the ones from Sukhothai, Mengrai and my kitchen of course!

                                      I know that 'traditional' or 'authentic' Pad Thai likely depends on who you are asking, but it appears ketchup is a non-Thai abberation of the recipe. I note that when I've checked with restaurants and recipes online a few ingredients (and lack of ketchup) appear to separate more authentic Pad Thai from others. And that is the inclusion of tamarind paste, dried shrimp, sweetened/salted pickled radish, and the use of palm sugar instead of any other sweetener. Other ingredients, which are easy to find, seem to always be included. These are flat rice noodles, an oil like peanut, grapeseed or vegetable, eggs, garlic, a protein like shrimp, tofu or chicken, scallions, fish sauce, a sweetener like brown, white or palm sugar or honey, cilantro, something to make it hot like small green chillies (thai or otherwise), bean sprouts, crushed peanuts and lime wedges.

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                                      Mengrai
                                      82 Ontario Street, Toronto, ON M5A 2V3, CA

                                      Sukhothai
                                      274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

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                                        Platoputas RE: Flexitarian Apr 22, 2010 12:35 PM

                                        It's interesting you bring up Pad Thai. It's true, it's a clear favourite here in the city in terms of Thai dishes - sit-down or food-court style. And I do love it, don't get me wrong. But the funny thing is I spent 2 weeks in Thailand (Bangkok, and then travelling south) visiting my brother who was working there at the time and I did not once see a single person eating pad thai (with the one exception of a few tourists at one resort). It really seemed that rice dishes were much more prevalent.

                                        After all the Sukhothai raving, I ended up going again earlier this week. Although it was only my second time, Jeff (one of the owners) did remember me, and the meal was again excellent. My dining partner turned one of the curries into a combo (and it came with rice, a drink and a small bowl of mango salad with cucumber, tomatoes, carrots and peanuts. Now mango salad is fairly simple and found at most restaurants but man, was this one every good. The dressing was tangy with a bit of sweetness, but not too sweet (which I think is the flavour that gets over-empasized with Western Thai food). It was so good I ordered another bowl of it as well.

                                        I know I want to eat my way through their menu and try some of the other items, but there was no way I couldn't get the Beef Khao Soi again. And yes, the suggestion of getting hot sauce on the side is definitely the way to go.

                                        What are everyone's favourite dishes here?

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                                        Sukhothai
                                        274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

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                                          Flexitarian RE: Platoputas Apr 22, 2010 12:46 PM

                                          Yes, Pad Thai in Thailand is mostly known as street food, not restaurant food.

                                          My favourite actually is not Pad Thai (although it's declicious it is mostly carbohydrates in the form of rice noodles), but Green Curry Vegetables with Tofu and/or Shrimp. I also like Tom Yum soup.

                                          My other favourite dish is Tod Mun Pla, which are fishcakes. I;ve had to ask for it by it's Thai name in a few restaurants in Thailand because it was not on the menu (and they made it for me), but it's quite common in Australia. Also, when I have found it here they always serve it with chill sauce that comes out of a bottle (because it's cheap and easy to do) instead of the authentic accompaniment which is a cooked sauce that is made with vinegar and has slivers of carrots and cucumber in it.

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                                            acd123 RE: Platoputas Apr 22, 2010 12:49 PM

                                            You weren't looking in the right places, I guess. Pad thai, and noodle dishes in general, are are hugely popular in Bangkok, and elsewhere in Thailand, just as they are at Thai places in Toronto. Supposedly, the best Pad Thai in Bangkok is at Thip Samai. It was good, but I found it a bit too sweet. If you don't think noodles are popular in Bangkok, just check out the line-ups to get into Thip Samai, pretty much 24/7.

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                                              sumdumgoy RE: acd123 Apr 22, 2010 02:40 PM

                                              Went to Sukhothai again last night, alone unfortunately.
                                              Had Fried Garlic Chicken and Khao Soi w/Beef.
                                              Both are winners. Garlic Chicken comes with a nicely spiced garlicy sweet & dipping sour sauce and hot moist chicken.
                                              Khao Soi has chunks of very tender beef (chicken also available) with both soft and dry noodles in an extremely rich and spicy coconut sauce.
                                              It is a busy little place run by very nice, patient and informative people and is a pleasure to visit.

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                                              Sukhothai
                                              274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

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                                                peppermint pate RE: sumdumgoy Apr 22, 2010 02:47 PM

                                                Yup yup and yup. I love the garlic chicken and the khao soi. They also do a veggie version of garlic tofu that's tasty as well. The red curry with squash is great. For me, both their pad thai and khao soi are very close in taste to the times I enjoyed those dishes in Thailand - and I will also echo the comment about their fantastic smoky dry chili paste. I usually get a bit extra and use it throughout the week on other dishes. The one dish I like, but don't love, is the mango salad - I find it a bit on the sweetish side and usually doctor it up with more fish sauce and chilies at home.

                                        2. foodyDudey RE: Platoputas Apr 22, 2010 05:04 PM

                                          With all this talk about Sukothai I thought I'd give it another shot. (tried takeout twice and was not sure what all the raves are about) I called at 8:00 pm, the phone rang about 10 times and then the voice mail says "the mailbox belonging to Sukothai takeout is full", please hang up.

                                          I guess that's it for me, they must be too busy. I'll stick with some place on Danforth Ave.

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                                          Sukothai Restaurant
                                          3115 Winston Churchill Blvd, Mississauga, ON L5L2W1, CA

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                                            Full tummy RE: foodyDudey Apr 22, 2010 05:26 PM

                                            I'm with you. I have dined in once, and it was a long wait in a very tiny space. Quite uncomfortable. The second time, we ordered take-out, and, again, it was a long wait in a tiny space...

                                            Personally, I'd rather pay more and be able to get someone on the phone so I can place my order or make a reservation. I think it's time for them to raise their prices. Just saying.

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                                              childofthestorm RE: Full tummy Apr 22, 2010 06:06 PM

                                              I just keep trying cuz price has nothing to do with it, they are the best in town.

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                                                Full tummy RE: childofthestorm Apr 22, 2010 06:27 PM

                                                It's great to get the best in town for cheap... I just hope they're making some good money for all their hard work, because what I see them coping with in there... that can't be easy. Working in that tiny kitchen, trying to fill orders and being run off their feet. If they've got too many customers, which clearly they do, then time to raise prices and hire someone to answer the phone...put some money into savings for a better location and bigger kitchen... That's all.

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                                                  acd123 RE: Full tummy Apr 22, 2010 07:50 PM

                                                  I would be very surpised if they are still in that location a year from now.. I'm sure they'll expand.

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                                                    aser RE: Full tummy Apr 22, 2010 11:54 PM

                                                    There is a trade off though, you expand too fast and quality diminishes. It's never a sure thing......Nuit and Jeff told me they had problems finding cooks that could put out dishes to their standard. This was back when it was just them doing it alone on weekends. Quality thai cooks don't grow on trees around these parts.

                                                    Time is worth sacrificing for quality food, but that's me, and I'm not you.

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                                                      acd123 RE: aser Apr 23, 2010 05:39 AM

                                                      I would have to agree with you on that. They should ohly expand if they are sure that they can deliver the same quality in an expanded location.

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                                                        Full tummy RE: acd123 Apr 23, 2010 12:16 PM

                                                        I am not suggesting some rapid expansion, just something that makes what they do more tolerable for them... Don't think that squishy kitchen adds to the flavour any...

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                                                pinstripeprincess RE: foodyDudey Apr 22, 2010 07:55 PM

                                                the only people i've known to be unsatisfied with sukho thai seem to have one main thing in common - never eating in.

                                                there are waits, it takes them time to do what they do and to 'wok' each dish with only two woks... it's not someone not answering the phones that is the problem. they just can't output what they need to due to sheer physical lack of cooking space. they choose to focus on the orders they need to fill right then and there, i don't blame them.

                                                i'll be the first to admit that their sweetness charms me enough to be ok with the longer wait times and eating in is part of that experience. so no, you don't have to try again, i can understand your frustration. but you're really missing out. but then again, you don't have to listen to me at all. on that note, the food is always best when nuit cooks it and it is the best in this city.

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                                                  foodyDudey RE: pinstripeprincess Apr 23, 2010 06:09 AM

                                                  I was also starting to wonder if the problem is we order takeout. Last night after posting I could not get through on the phone, I called again and was able to place an order. I ordered 4 items, and other than the Tom Yum soup which was great, the other items were duds. I actually think they forgot some of the ingredients!

                                                  Anyway I'll post on that meal later when I have some spare time.

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                                                    pinstripeprincess RE: foodyDudey Apr 23, 2010 07:47 AM

                                                    it sounds like you had a non-nuit cooked meal. she doesn't forget a single ingredient but her cooks can. i know exactly when she's cooked me something vs someone else.... it's ok/good but just not great.

                                                    anyway, if you try again i think you should eat in... but i wouldn't blame you for not going again. i've written off other highly praised restaurants with fewer tries.

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                                                      foodyDudey RE: pinstripeprincess Apr 23, 2010 08:28 AM

                                                      I'm going to write up a full review on this meal later, but just for starters there was not even a single coriander leaf in any of it.

                                                      I ordered:

                                                      1) Tom Yum Kung soup: this was pretty good, but quite spicy. I ordered medium, my wife gave me hers as it was too hot for her. After tasting this soup and really enjoying it, I figured I finally hit the jackpot and was going to enjoy a great meal of the type everyone mentions here.

                                                      2) garlic chicken : barely any garlic, came with a tiny 10cc container of clear sauce with almost no flavour

                                                      3) Pad Kee Mao: (with chicken) I ordered this spicy, should have ordered mild or medium. But the only flavour in it was from the chilies, nothing else was detectable. Not basil, or garlic, or tamarind. And no coriander as shown in the picture. This was a real dud.

                                                      4) Mango salad: here is the description from the website:

                                                      Sukhothai Salad:
                                                      a healthy, light blend of mango, carrots, peanuts and coriander, tossed in with our tangy, home-made dressing.

                                                      There was no coriander, and it was extremely bland. No tartness, no fish sauce flavour.

                                                      Summary: either the takout is made by amateurs, or else everyone who raves about this place is dreaming. I've given it three chances and it's been the same disappointment each time. I'm not sure if I'm in for a fourth time.

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                                                      Sukhothai
                                                      274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

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                                                        pinstripeprincess RE: foodyDudey Apr 23, 2010 05:43 PM

                                                        i've reported details about the food multiple times and so all i can really say is that your experience is a total anomaly from what i've eaten. i've also had take out/delivery and it's never been even near what you describe if it is ever of lesser quality.

                                                        the only thing that i can confirm is that a few of their dishes do not have much if any cilantro in them, something i noticed at first but quickly got over. they've always been concerned with how some people strongly dislike it and have mostly done without, but the dishes you specifically ordered should all have had some. that tom yum soup has two short springs.

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                                                          foodyDudey RE: pinstripeprincess Apr 23, 2010 07:00 PM

                                                          Well I sure wish someone else would have got the same food I did, so you could see I'm not making this all up. I want to go in and get the same great food I read about here and elsewhere, but it isn't happening. I had some leftovers so had a chance to sample them all again to make sure my review was 100% accurate and it was. I fixed up that food with the things it was missing, but that should not have been required.

                                                          Isn't cilantro very common in Thai food? It certainly should have been in the dishes I mentioned. If it should be in a dish, I expect it there. People can ask for no cilantro if that's what they want. I shouldn't have to ask for it. They must have a serious quality control problem, since I have had three mediocre take out meals in the last 10 months or so.

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                                                            tyatt RE: foodyDudey Apr 23, 2010 08:25 PM

                                                            I have only went there once and it was an eat-in. I did post my report here awhile ago which was 'attacked' by other fans of the restaurant so I would not go into details again. :P But foodyDudey, I was extremely disappointed at the restaurant also (may be I went in with high hopes). I was more specifically disappointed at their portion size and the quality of raw food material they used (noodles in Khao Soi had the 'expired' taste, very few meats in their food). Sure they may be Toronto's best, but certainly not the best Thai food I've had in my life.

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                                                          vorpal RE: foodyDudey Apr 24, 2010 02:42 AM

                                                          (Just a minor point: I don't think I've ever heard of a pad kee mow with tamarind before. Does Sukhothai typically use it in theirs?)

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                                                            foodyDudey RE: vorpal Apr 24, 2010 05:29 AM

                                                            Actually, I've never ordered one before. What I really expected was some flavour other than that of the green chilies that were present. There was almost nothing else detectable.

                                                            And I was not sure why the garlic chicken is called that, as on it's own it was just fried chicken. With the slightly yellowish transparent sauce which was not as shown in the menu, it became fried chicken with yellowish sauce. I can get that at McDonald's if I cared to.

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                                                              childofthestorm RE: foodyDudey Apr 24, 2010 07:08 AM

                                                              Oh come on now, it's hardly a McNugget and that's really not fair. The meat has clearly been in a garlic marinade first, has a nice subtle taste, I really enjoy it. Plus the photo on the menu shows it's fried, not like they're trying to fool anyone. The sauce is comes with is a sweet chili which is very common throughout Thailand.

                                                              Do you compare all fried chicken to McD's? Japanese karaage at Guu = McDonald's? Maybe the fried chicken at Stockyards, brined for 24 hours then soaked in buttermilk before frying, you can just get that at KFC?

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                                                                foodyDudey RE: childofthestorm Apr 24, 2010 07:25 AM

                                                                There was no chili in the sauce, although it was shown in the picture on the menu I know what garlic tastes like, and there was no garlic flavour in the chicken I brought home. And my wife said the same thing, I asked her what she thought since I could not taste it.

                                                                I'm only reporting my experince on three separate occasions, but I have no interest in reporting anything other than exactly what the meal was like when I brought it home. It definitely did not have ingredients which were shown in the photographs, which leads me to beleive I am not getting the real deal, and so they have some sort of quality problem. Just be glad you didn't get the sort of meals I did, there's no point in driving over there for that.

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                                                                tyatt RE: foodyDudey Apr 24, 2010 07:24 AM

                                                                Actually Pad Kee Mao is supposed to be a very spicy dish....but it should be full of garlic, basil and peppercorns.

                                                                Knowing that Thai ingredients are expensive, I would not mind paying more to have the 'full' experience. But cutting out some major ingredients (or use very little) just isn't my idea of real Thai food. I've had major spicy Thai food before...but it was not just spiciness that I tasted. There was an explosion of flavors! This is what I look for in Thai food.

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                                                                  vorpal RE: tyatt Apr 24, 2010 10:25 PM

                                                                  Exactly, and that's the problem with much of Toronto's Thai food: while Thai food is supposed to be spicy and flavourful, the combination of ingredients should cover a broad range of both intense and subtle tastes that stimulate the whole mouth. Much of what is served in Toronto is simply spicy, or - equally badly - flavourless.

                                                                  I can't comment on Sukhothai, not having had the opportunity to go as it opened after I moved away from the city. That being said, I am very much looking forward to visiting next time I'm in town.

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                                                                    neighborguy RE: vorpal Apr 25, 2010 09:24 AM

                                                                    While you mention it, the bad-spicy thing applies not just to Thai food, but ethnic foods in general here. It's that generic, raw, assault that you get from your basic food service establishments to almost any restaurant where they give you the options for choosing spicy.

                                                                    I love spicy tho, when it's done well as the case with the small handfull of the good Thai places here where it's only a part of the layered tastes found in a dish. The now famous Kao Soi noodles is an example of this.

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                                                                      Flexitarian RE: neighborguy Apr 25, 2010 09:38 AM

                                                                      We are getting away from the main topic on here, but one loses the subtlety of the wonderful Asian flavours that are supposed to be in Asian food because, in North America, restaurants tend to put a lot of extra table sugar in their Asian dishes to make them taste more palatable to a palate that has been reared on fast food.

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                                                                      Charles Yu RE: vorpal Jan 13, 2011 03:20 PM

                                                                      NOT ALL THAI FOOD ARE SPICY!!
                                                                      Cuisine conceived for the ' Thai Royal Court' are extremely delicate and refined. A lot of this type of Thai dishes are flavourful but quite mild and non spicy!!
                                                                      Another problem is, here in Toronto, one simply cannot get the whole spectrum of herbs, spices and ingredients that one would commomly found in say a Bangkok market. Furthermore, chefs nowadays are not spending enough time making their own mix of spice seasoning and paste using the good old traditional ' mortar and pestel ' way!!

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                                                          sumdumgoy RE: pinstripeprincess Apr 23, 2010 06:15 AM

                                                          I hope they don't change a thing.
                                                          Stay in a crummy area of town or have line ups out the door forever.
                                                          Small menu means better execution and fresher ingredients.
                                                          Small space (24 seats) means Nuit oversees every dish.
                                                          They still have just one phone line so if they are taking an order or validating a credit card you will go to the (possibly full) mailbox.
                                                          Takeout would only be passable for the curries and soup - everything else would steam and/or get cold and nasty before it left the store.

                                                          This little place is a gem, treat it with the respect it deserves!

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                                                            pinstripeprincess RE: sumdumgoy Apr 23, 2010 07:42 AM

                                                            i have a lot of respect for them and what they do, i try to go there only during non-peak hours to make their experience better and to know that they're not in a frenzy trying to put my food together.

                                                            everything i relay is from direct conversation with them and their business and i respect them enough to want them to do well for themselves. they're exhausted!

                                                            my main point is simply this, if 2 woks are outputting what they're currently doing... then imagine if they had space for 1 more wok, 50% more cooking space... it would cut down the wait times for a meal significantly! they could put out more take-out orders in a more reasonable amount of time without being so hurried.

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                                                              Pincus RE: pinstripeprincess Apr 23, 2010 08:25 AM

                                                              I would be so excited to see a slightly larger space with the same quality output from here. With 6 more seats. :) Seriously, to me, part of the charm here is the intimacy of the space. And normally I hate little restaurants.

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                                                                Platoputas RE: Pincus Apr 23, 2010 09:36 AM

                                                                While I agree it'd be great to have a bigger space where everyone's chances of getting a seat would be better, it's not worth the trade off if the quality of food goes down, or if the prices rise significantly.

                                                                I actually like that the food is very reasonably priced, and the intimate, family feel of Sukhothai. I've only been twice, but I learnt after my first visit (and the 45 minute wait on a Wednesday night at 8pm) that the best thign to do is to make a reservation if you're going to dine-in.

                                                                My second visit was this past Tuesday at 7pm and I made a reservation earlier that day. I was seated immediately, and believe it or not, there were a couple empty tables at that time, and the tables weren't completely full until 8:30pm

                                                                I have a feeling they only take a few reservations each night, but it's a no fuss way to guarantee you get a seat and avoid a long wait. Jeff mentioned they are less busy at the beginning of the week, and then it gets progressively busier towards the weekend.

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                                                                aser RE: pinstripeprincess Apr 23, 2010 03:26 PM

                                                                You'd be surprised at how many of your fav ethnic restaurants only have 2 wok burners. Most places rarely have more than 2.

                                                                For instance, Empire Court only has 2 wok burners, and that is a high end Chinese restaurant.

                                                                Putting in another wok burner is not cheap, mainly to account for the expanded ventilation required.

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                                                                  pinstripeprincess RE: aser Apr 23, 2010 05:35 PM

                                                                  as i said before, i'm relaying what exactly nuit and jeff have told me in multiple conversations. if they had more space for a wok (and the ventilation) they could do better with timing issues and serve more people. i don't know how places like empire court operate with only 2, apparently sukho feels they need more. some people dont' want it to change, fine, but i'm all for change if it prevents my delicious food purveyors from completely burning out.

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                                                                    Wahooty RE: pinstripeprincess Apr 23, 2010 06:02 PM

                                                                    You know what they say, opinions are like...um...noses - everybody's got one. ;) I'm in favor of them getting whatever they need to make their business run better...it's clear that the current situation is overwhelming them, and since they keep getting more and more positive press, it won't be long before something gives. I hope they can find a way to expand gracefully, or at least find a balance where they are. I like them...I like their food...I want them to succeed, not get crushed by their own success.

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                                                                      aser RE: pinstripeprincess Apr 23, 2010 10:47 PM

                                                                      Not saying they can't change, but the change being proposed isn't cheap. Just trying to temper expectations that's all.

                                                                      There are tricks of the trade in getting by w/ 2 woks, but that's getting off topic. The mods will shut me down if I go on......

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                                                                        pinstripeprincess RE: aser Apr 24, 2010 04:58 AM

                                                                        my main point was that some people are suggesting multiple phone lines/more front of house... that's not the reason they're too busy to pick up the phone. it's because they're having a hard time filling the orders they already have. i'm sure there are tricks to the trade... i would love to hear them but i'm not the one who needs to.

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                                                                          Full tummy RE: pinstripeprincess Apr 24, 2010 02:21 PM

                                                                          I would hope that Nuit wouldn't be answering the phone, as her skills in the kitchen are obviously key to the quality of food. When I've been there, her husband is doing the serving, and he is good at it and knows the dishes well. I hope they are both always too busy to answer the phone, and I hope that one day they are also able to make enough money to pay someone to do that.

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                                                                          pinstripeprincess RE: aser May 6, 2010 08:29 PM

                                                                          3rd wok went in a couple weeks ago...

                                                            2. Platoputas RE: Platoputas May 12, 2010 02:19 PM

                                                              After my first visit to Sukhothai, I vowed to eat my way through the menu. Fortunately, I veered off this goal when I heard through a friend that it's possible to go "off-menu" if you Wednesday night, Chef Nuit came up with a menu based on my party size (4 people).

                                                              When we arrived, she whipped up four entrees for us: Wild Beef Stir Fry with Ginger and Bamboo Shoots, Chicken with Long Beans (which became the table's favourite), Green Curry Chicken with Coconut Shavings (beautifully served in a coconut), and lastly a whole Steamed Tilapia. She also brought out two large bowls of steamed rice and a bowl of fresh Lychees for dessert. We also went "on-menu" with two orders of the Garlic Chicken to start.

                                                              I didn't ask for the prices upfront, which made me a bit nervous when the bill came, but it was in typical Sukhothai fashion. Great quality food for a low price point compared to other Toronto Thai restaurants. I was completely surprised at how reasonable it was to let the chef do her thing. For the two appetizers, four mains, two large steamed rices and dessert, the grand total was $75 for four. Less than $20 a person! I've got pictures and a write-up of our off-menu experience on my food blog. If you're a fan of Sukhothai, I highly recommend exploring this option.

                                                              www.platoputas.com

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                                                                vorpal RE: Platoputas May 13, 2010 03:43 AM

                                                                That sounds exquisite. Thanks for posting this review, Platopus! I can't wait to try this place.

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                                                                ragged25 RE: Platoputas May 14, 2010 01:14 PM

                                                                I went there for takeout last week, ordered my food (3 Pad Thais and 1 sesame chicken) and was told that the wait will be one hour. This was around 5:45. There were 2 tables in the main floor and I was told that there were 7 people downstairs. I find that a little disappointing given they had a full kitchen running and to be honest, thai food shouldn't take that long to make. The place was not full because it was early. I would have tolerated a wait of 30 minutes which is understandable, but it just didn't make much sense to me to be asking someone to wait an hour for 4 dishes. I asked them is it really going to take one hour and they stood by what they told me.

                                                                I'm more disappointed because of all the good reviews I've read about the place and actually went out of my way to get there. I can't imagine the next table sitting down and ordering 3 pad thais and one sesame chicken would require a wait time of 1 hour. I almost feel like if they aren't going to value takeout patrons, they shouldn't really bother with offering it. Just my 2 cents.

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                                                                  childofthestorm RE: ragged25 May 14, 2010 02:22 PM

                                                                  Call well in advance to place your order is the cardinal rule, oft-repeated on this board, for Sukhothai takeout.

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                                                                    Full tummy RE: childofthestorm May 14, 2010 02:54 PM

                                                                    And, if my experience means anything, add 45 minutes on to their estimate. Calling well in advance does not make for accurate estimates, alas.

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                                                                      drjolt RE: Full tummy May 14, 2010 03:27 PM

                                                                      We try to call a half-day in advance at this point. We order there very regularly, once a week, and have never had to wait more than 5-10 minutes on our given pick-up time. This could also easily explain a long take-out wait even if the restaurant is half-full. You have no idea how many take-outs are in the queue before you, some of which may have appeared much earlier in the day.

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                                                                        Full tummy RE: drjolt May 14, 2010 03:33 PM

                                                                        Oh, I have no problem with the fact that I have no idea how many are in the queue ahead of me, I just appreciate when a restaurant has an idea of that and can give a reasonable estimate for the pick-up time. Sounds as though your experience has been much better. Perhaps this has improved. That would really go a long way towards increasing my willingness to order take-out from them.

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                                                                          Flexitarian RE: Full tummy May 14, 2010 06:02 PM

                                                                          I've been ordering take out there for over 6 months. It's almost always been ready in 1/2 hour. In fact I just picked some up a couple nights ago and called at 8:30pm and it was ready by 8:55pm.

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                                                                            cutehinano RE: Flexitarian May 14, 2010 07:19 PM

                                                                            I ordered take out from there about 3 weeks ago. Called them at around 5:30 and asked how long it would take them to make 2 khao sois and they said 15 mins. I was really surprised but when I got there they were ready, even though the restaurant was completely full. The khao soi was of course amazing. Maybe we just got lucky!

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                                                                              ragged25 RE: cutehinano May 26, 2010 12:58 PM

                                                                              To be frank, 15-30 minutes sounds about right for this type of food as far as takeouts are concerned. One hour is way too long in the food industry. I will most likely give them another try some other time, but it definitely is souring simply because it didn't make any sense. They are essentially turning away anyone who didn't call in before hand as you really can't expect anyone to wait an hour for takeout. I almost feel like people that walk in to order takeout should be put in priority over phone in customers simply because they are physically here at the restaurant rather than over the phone.

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                                                                    pastina RE: ragged25 May 27, 2010 04:57 AM

                                                                    I work next door to them, and myself, my co-workers and assorted visitors to my workplace eat there a lot. As well, I know dozens of people who work in that neighbourhood who also order form them. I might have been one of their first customers and if you do a search for my user name, I posted about them a long time ago.

                                                                    Here's the thing: They do value take out patrons. Very much so. And they have a lot of them. But the take out service is inconsistent. That's just a fact of where they're at in the evolution of their kitchen. I phoned in an order of Pad Kee Mao on Tuesday and they said ten minutes - bang on. I have ordered the same dish and been told half an hour and then had to wait when I got there. I think that some of the time, they run out of an ingredient or two and are waiting for someone to return from a supply run.

                                                                    I'm okay with the inconsistency. There have been a couple of times it has really inconvenienced me, but I still order. Why? Because it's a ten dollar lunch from people who are just trying to make a go of it selling a decent product. Which is a lot more than I can say for many, many places.

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                                                                    cubmike74 RE: Platoputas May 27, 2010 08:17 AM

                                                                    Just a quick note here from another Sukhothai fan. I've recently moved into the neighbourhood which allows me to go there on off peak nights to enjoy the food and it is awesome. But waiting for a seat for 40 minutes will try anyone's patience.

                                                                    I wanted to let people know that they do catering as well and I was very happy with what they produced. Nuit worked with me to develop a menu - it was quite simple as I was just looking for an assortment of appetizers for 25 - 30 people - but she came through big time. Of course there was the famous garlic chicken and some garlic tofu which is equally yummy. We also had the spring rolls that are on the menu. Nuit also made some summer rolls that had lots of fresh veggies, cilantro, mint, and shrimp. Yummy! She also made some deep fried wontons stuffed with a pork mixture, served with a spicy tamarind dip.
                                                                    All of this made for a fun party - and the cost was amazing, less than $5 per person.

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                                                                      peppermint pate RE: cubmike74 May 27, 2010 08:32 AM

                                                                      Ditto on the catering experience - I've done a few dinners for 15 at our house and Nuit delivered big time. Those summer roles sound perfectly amazing, especially perfect for these hot, hot days. They should add those on as a summer special. Love the garlic chicken and tofu - great examples of how something otherwise simple and generic can be so flavourful when well executed!!

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                                                                      garfield RE: Platoputas May 27, 2010 09:21 AM

                                                                      Was there on Tuesday around six and got seated without any wait, there were enough empty tables. I ordered the garlic chicken and Khao Sai (chicken) too,coincidentally, like the OP. The garlic chicken is good but I wish they make it with more bite.
                                                                      Khao Sai was very flavorful. Wasn't very impressed by the Pad Thai and the spring rolls though.

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                                                                        pinstripeprincess RE: garfield May 27, 2010 11:29 AM

                                                                        was it your first time? you're really missing out if you don't order the khao soi with beef. what they do to that beef is just spectacular. it's always been a must have dish for me but especially after reading her recipe in one of the newspapers i can't imagine putting the time she does into it and would rather just pay her to feed me.

                                                                        i find the garlic chicken to be quite garlicky, but in a roasted cooked sweet way. did you want more raw garlic punch to it?

                                                                        it might sound silly but i also recommend the fried rice. the first time she made it for me they were lacking in day-old rice (it helps with drying it out) and so it was softer than i prefer. but the last time was spot on and perfect and again... filled with garlic. bar none the best sticky and firm rice texture i've had so far anywhere. i'm a huge sucker for garlic so ymmv.

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                                                                          haggisdragon RE: pinstripeprincess May 27, 2010 11:35 AM

                                                                          I really like the garlicky fried rice too. Great texture and flavour. I've been doing my best to replicate it at home.

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                                                                            peppermint pate RE: haggisdragon May 27, 2010 12:39 PM

                                                                            +1 on the fried rice. I tried it for the first time this week - enjoyed it for dinner and even more the next morning with a bit of added garlic (i heart garlic), a fried egg and some sweet chili sauce. Major yum.

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                                                                              haggisdragon RE: peppermint pate May 27, 2010 02:22 PM

                                                                              nice! I ate almost the exact same thing for breakfast a while back. Paired it with some cava. Oh yeah!

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                                                                                peppermint pate RE: haggisdragon May 27, 2010 02:29 PM

                                                                                Pairings for breakfast - crazy!!!

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                                                                            garfield RE: pinstripeprincess May 27, 2010 11:57 AM

                                                                            It was my first time yes, and thanks a bunch for all your recommendations. I would try them the next time.
                                                                            Yes, to me, the garlic chicken was mild in flavor. I would prefer it to have more raw garlicky punch as you say,and\ or, have a kick of chili along with garlic.On that note I recommend the pepper chicken at China Cottage.
                                                                            Also, do you know if they have any dish close to the curry pad thai?
                                                                            Thanks

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                                                                              pinstripeprincess RE: garfield May 27, 2010 12:15 PM

                                                                              did you get a dipping sauce with your garlic chicken? it's a clear sweet syrup with garlic diced into it and chili. i enjoy the balance of rich, sweet and burn. if that's not enough of a chili kick then i would suggest using their house chili oil which is more complex as well as spicy. i've hoarded it from take-out orders and now keep a jar in the fridge for my main chili oil needs.

                                                                              they don't do a curry pad thai as far as i know. their noodle dishes seem to be limited to khao soi, pad thai and pad kee mao. i think they stopped offering the pho-esque dish i don't remember the name of.

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                                                                                garfield RE: pinstripeprincess May 27, 2010 12:26 PM

                                                                                Yes I did try the dipping sauce and then asked for the chili sauce\oil. Unfortunately they had run out of it and had to make do with some chili flakes instead. So the chili oil should fix things the next time. Thanks again !

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                                                                                  LTL RE: pinstripeprincess May 27, 2010 12:33 PM

                                                                                  Are you thinking about the Guyatiaw Sukhothai? If so, I had it as recently as last week and it was delicious as ever.

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                                                                                    pinstripeprincess RE: LTL May 27, 2010 12:49 PM

                                                                                    ah! sorry for the bad information. then they must just be making fewer portions of it since it is less popular.

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                                                                                    haggisdragon RE: pinstripeprincess May 27, 2010 02:18 PM

                                                                                    Guaytiaw, I think, is the noodle soup you're talking about. They still have it. I love it with the braised beef, thai spicy.

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                                                                                      acd123 RE: haggisdragon May 28, 2010 04:58 AM

                                                                                      I was there for dinner the other night. Amazing meal.

                                                                                      I ordered the Khao Soi noodles "Thai spicy". They were spicy, but not nearly as much as they were last time. So, next time, I'll have to make sure that they understand what I want.

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                                                                              tuttebene RE: Platoputas May 28, 2010 09:35 AM

                                                                              Agreed that it's the best Thai food in the city - in a class all it's own. These are my experiences. For sit down, go before 7PM and no problem getting a seat without reservations. For spice levels, think hard as my palate finds that anything above medium takes away from the fragrant flavours of the dish (and I can handle heat). Sukhothai pad thai is always better than just the pad thai. Have found it always good, but great just once. Khao Soi always great. Garlic chicken - not my thing but granted the garlic dipping sauce is tasty. Better choice hands down is the Pla Taud (fried fish). Spring rolls (fried) are pedestrian. Shrimp chips OK, dipping sauce is horrible. Service always great. I think the variability in everyone's experiences speaks to the inconsistencies of who is in the kitchen on any given night. My first time, Nuit was cooking and it's never been as good since - never bad just not as exceptional. Sigh. It's like heroin the first time - always looking for that perfect high again.

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                                                                                gomexico RE: Platoputas Jun 1, 2010 01:55 PM

                                                                                Partly because of some of the comments I read in this discussion, and because of comments I've read elsewhere in the www ... I stopped at Sukhothai last Saturday for a late-lunch / early dinner after spending some time at the desifest in Dundas Square.

                                                                                The house-special (chicken) Pad Thai is what I went for and after eating my meal I was left with the thought, "Is that all there is?" I was unimpressed. When I was in Thailand I didn't have pad thai so I don't have an "as in Thailand" reference point. I’ve eaten the dish at Thai restaurants in Chicago, though ... and it's been different. The Sukhothai rendition was a mound the contents of which were almost undistinguishable. The peanut flavor overwhelmed everything else. The chicken was tender and seemed to be good quality. The noodles seemed overcooked. Bean sprouts were minimal. Other flavors were difficult to distinguish.

                                                                                Four other people were in the restaurant at the same time. It was the quiet part of the day. Maybe what I had was the 'real thing,' but I didn't see or taste what all the fuss is about.

                                                                                Different strokes for different folks … one of the things that makes this an interesting planet to live on.

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                                                                                  foodyDudey RE: gomexico Jun 1, 2010 02:25 PM

                                                                                  Hey, finally someone who has a similar opinion of this place as I do. Should we both check ourselves into the lunatic asylum? After all, 500 chowhounds can't be wrong, or could they?

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                                                                                    Splendid Wine Snob RE: foodyDudey Jun 1, 2010 02:40 PM

                                                                                    Actually foodyDudey, I had similar decent (but underwhelming) experiences. While I enjoyed the food, it was far from the "wow" factor that so many on here proclaim. I've never been to Thailand but after having tried great Thai in Portland Oregon, Sukhothai pales in comparison (especially in the depth of flavour department). I can't even begin to tell you how much better they do Thai in Portland. The final call will be to bring 2 family members who've done extensive traveling throughout Thailand to hear their thoughts on Sukhothai.

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                                                                                      Flexitarian RE: Splendid Wine Snob Jun 1, 2010 02:54 PM

                                                                                      Well it certainly might not be wow compared to what you've had in other cities but it sure is wow for many compared to any other Thai food available in Toronto.

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                                                                                        Splendid Wine Snob RE: Flexitarian Jun 1, 2010 03:13 PM

                                                                                        Yes. That I agree with wholeheartedly.

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                                                                                      tuttebene RE: foodyDudey Jun 2, 2010 03:53 PM

                                                                                      No need for the asylum. As for the 500 CH who can't be wrong, don't hate us because occasionally we've had a better hit rate than you ;) Just out of curiosity, which Thai places in this city do you enjoy? I've tried all of them on the Danny and have chosen to go without Thai rather than eat from any one of them. Used to like Joy at Yonge and Lawrence years ago when I lived in the hood. For me it's hope for Nuit in the kitchen or just cook it at home.

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                                                                                        garfield RE: tuttebene Jun 3, 2010 11:47 AM

                                                                                        What do you think of Thai One near Bay and Dundas? Their Pad Thai and Basil Chicken are not bad at all.

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                                                                                          LTL RE: garfield Dec 1, 2010 09:45 AM

                                                                                          If you enjoy the pad thai at Thai One On, then it makes sense why you do not enjoy Sukhothai's version. I made the mistake of having pad thai at the former and it was inedible - mushy noodles, single taste note of "sour", and they confirmed they use ketchup. In my experience, their stir fry with rice dishes range from decent to good, but I had a horrific experience with the pad thai. Maybe this was a one off?

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                                                                                          274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

                                                                                          Thai One On
                                                                                          7750 Kennedy Rd, Markham, ON L3R0A7, CA

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                                                                                      garfield RE: gomexico Jun 2, 2010 07:13 AM

                                                                                      I have been once and the idea I have is that Pad Thai is not the dish that should be used to benchmark it.

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                                                                                        haggisdragon RE: garfield Jun 2, 2010 07:16 AM

                                                                                        I agree, I think in particular any of the curries would do greater justice. Especially the Khao Soi

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                                                                                          duckdown RE: haggisdragon Jun 2, 2010 11:30 AM

                                                                                          is this Khao Soi? (google images returned this)

                                                                                          http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2149/2...

                                                                                          looks boring.. I'd like to try their yellow/red/green curries (chicken or shrimp)

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                                                                                            peppermint pate RE: duckdown Jun 2, 2010 11:50 AM

                                                                                            It looks like the khao soi - with shrimp, maybe? - but it's hard to say for sure. The dish has 2 kinds of noodles, soft and crispy, in a succulent coconut-milk based broth, best enjoyed with the beef - it's not even close to my definition of boring. Gorgeous flavour. I really like the red curry as well - it comes with pices of squash (I forget the variety) and then you can add chicken, shrimp, beef or tofu.

                                                                                            1. re: duckdown
                                                                                              jayt90 RE: duckdown Jun 2, 2010 12:03 PM

                                                                                              Here is the Sukhothai recipe, and another photo. http://www.torontolife.com/features/g...
                                                                                              I can see lots of room for shortcuts, so it is best to go when Nuit is there.
                                                                                              Or maybe ask them to recreate the T.L. version, so they know you're serious.

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                                                                                              274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

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                                                                                                pinstripeprincess RE: jayt90 Jun 2, 2010 12:15 PM

                                                                                                i suspect that the important components of this dish are prepared enough in advance that it at least has nuit's supervision if not her hands right in it. it is also the most consistent dish with very barely noticeable variability between all my visits.

                                                                                                the only way i can see this dish not getting the raves it does, is if you go with anything other than the beef. the slow cooked beef is key in making this an excellent dish rather than just great.

                                                                                                and honestly, i have no idea how this looks any less exciting than a yellow/red/green curry. all of them start from a fine paste and will have a uniform colour.

                                                                                          2. re: garfield
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                                                                                            gomexico RE: garfield Jun 2, 2010 07:44 AM

                                                                                            "I have been once and the idea I have is that Pad Thai is not the dish that should be used to benchmark it."

                                                                                            Maybe so. But, pad thai is the featured dish on the menu, if I'm remembering correctly. If it's not the dish that the kitchen turns-out better than other selections, maybe it shouldn't be emphasized so.

                                                                                            Nonetheless, I ate the meal and enjoyed being back in that neighborhood after a long absence ... and seeing how diverse it had become and I also noted the several restaurants nearby which feature cuisine from parts of Central Africa.

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                                                                                              duckdown RE: gomexico Jun 3, 2010 11:30 AM

                                                                                              Thanks for the info.. I still haven't really seen anything in the pictures or reviews that would warrant a drive all the way over there.. I think I will stick to Thai Pepper for my Thai food here in the GTA

                                                                                              I enjoyed seeing your pics of the trip to Toronto, thanks for sharing :)

                                                                                              cheers

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                                                                                              Thai Pepper Restaurant
                                                                                              2 Fisherman Dr, Brampton, ON L7A1B5, CA

                                                                                              1. re: duckdown
                                                                                                Food Tourist RE: duckdown Dec 4, 2010 05:41 AM

                                                                                                Duckdown, Sukho is superior to Thai Pepper, and I realize that's saying a LOT in Brampton circles. However. I have never "dined in" at the Sukhothai restaurant nor have I ever met the chefs nor eaten the khao soi (at least not in recent memory, as my sister always chooses the items and always gets mild Sukho special pad thai with chicken because of her 3-year-old daughter's palate) so I've only ever tried delivery. This week, we were pleasantly surprised that our delivery time sped up from the normal "can't-get-through-on-the-phone" fiascos we've encountered in the past.

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                                                                                                2 Fisherman Dr, Brampton, ON L7A1B5, CA

                                                                                              2. re: gomexico
                                                                                                pinstripeprincess RE: gomexico Jun 3, 2010 11:44 AM

                                                                                                it is not the "featured dish" and is certainly not emphasized as so. if you had bothered to ask them what their feature/favourite dish is you would have come up with khao soi.

                                                                                              3. re: garfield
                                                                                                hal2010 RE: garfield Oct 23, 2010 09:11 PM

                                                                                                I went tonight. Best Thai I have had in Toronto, although I will say that I prefer the "Street" pad Thai at Mengrai to the Sukhothai Pad Thai. The Khao Soi is outstanding.

                                                                                                A few things that could be improved are:
                                                                                                - a better selection of drinks. Some really outstanding cold tea drinks like those served at Addies in London would fit well.
                                                                                                - another salad or two
                                                                                                - more attentive service. I realize it's casual but tossing a bag and takeout container on the table is a bit crude. There were a couple of owner/manager types prowling around and they really could have helped out more in the busy times, rather than just stand there and watch.

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                                                                                                82 Ontario Street, Toronto, ON M5A 2V3, CA

                                                                                                Sukhothai
                                                                                                274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

                                                                                            2. duckdown RE: Platoputas Jun 1, 2010 11:42 PM

                                                                                              Can someone try Thai Pepper in Brampton?

                                                                                              I have had yellow curry chicken or shrimp, pad thai medium, bangkok style pad thai topped with dried chilies and tamarind sauce, shrimps, calimari, etc.

                                                                                              It's the best Thai food out of the 3 or 4 places I've tried, I just want to know how much better Sukhothai is since I doubt I'll ever be in that neighbourhood

                                                                                              cheers

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                                                                                              Thai Pepper Restaurant
                                                                                              2 Fisherman Dr, Brampton, ON L7A1B5, CA

                                                                                              1. hal2010 RE: Platoputas Nov 30, 2010 03:57 PM

                                                                                                I was at Sukhothai tonight and it wasn't as good as my first visit (about a month ago) Ordered the Tom Kha Gai "spicy" and there wasn't a single chili or any heat at all in it. Party of 4 and the mains arrived about 25 minutes apart from the first to the last. And it was 110 degrees in the place.

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                                                                                                274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

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                                                                                                1. re: hal2010
                                                                                                  TorontoJo RE: hal2010 Nov 30, 2010 04:03 PM

                                                                                                  Nuit is no longer working in the kitchen, which may account for the difference in your experiences.

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                                                                                                    haggisdragon RE: TorontoJo Dec 1, 2010 06:22 AM

                                                                                                    I noticed a marked drop in quality in my last takeout order.

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                                                                                                      Pincus RE: TorontoJo Dec 1, 2010 09:29 AM

                                                                                                      Tsk. Sad news if it;s going to be a permanent loss in quality there.

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                                                                                                        foodyDudey RE: Pincus Dec 1, 2010 03:01 PM

                                                                                                        I would have thought that after being open for a year, there would be others in the kitchen that could cook the items properly other than Nuit. I don't think she was there any of the times I ordered takeout, as it never hit the heights described on Chowhound.

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                                                                                                          Pincus RE: foodyDudey Dec 1, 2010 04:11 PM

                                                                                                          Yeah. I'm going to have to go there and check it out soon. Personal experience is always the one you believe the most.

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                                                                                                            TOveggie RE: Pincus Dec 3, 2010 05:28 PM

                                                                                                            She's opening another location downtown, so that may explain her absence in the kitchen. It's at 326 Adelaide W and will be called Khao San Road.

                                                                                                            http://www.eyeweekly.com/food/feature...

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                                                                                                              TorontoJo RE: TOveggie Dec 4, 2010 04:07 AM

                                                                                                              Despite the headline of that article, it's actually a totally separate venture with a new owner. She has left Sukhothai completely.

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                                                                                                                acd123 RE: TorontoJo Dec 4, 2010 06:37 AM

                                                                                                                So where is she cooking now??

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                                                                                                                  Food Tourist RE: acd123 Dec 4, 2010 06:54 AM

                                                                                                                  According to Toronto Life and Eye Weekly, she is cooking at the new Khao San Road on Adelaide in the Entertainment District.

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                                                                                                                    Herb RE: Food Tourist Dec 5, 2010 07:14 AM

                                                                                                                    from the Now's website:

                                                                                                                    http://www.nowtoronto.com/daily/food/...

                                                                                                                    "We want to try something different, I dunno, more high end. A little more contemporary but still down-to-earth. Nuit hasn’t finalized the menu quite yet. We want the quality to be as high as Sukhothai’s but we’re trying to keep the mains at Khao San under $15. And we’ll be doing some new dishes that other Thai restaurants are afraid to do because of the cost of the ingredients. There’ll also be a weekday prix fixe lunch and Sunday brunch, too."

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                                                                                                                      Full tummy RE: Herb Dec 5, 2010 09:33 AM

                                                                                                                      And the way Jeff answers the question about who will be running Sukhothai makes it sound as though he wants people to believe they're still associated and running it:

                                                                                                                      "Nuit is putting her focus on getting Kao San Road off the ground but I’ll definitely be going back and forth between the two. The staff there are great. Nuit trained them and she would never leave them even for a night if she didn’t trust them 100 per cent."

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                                                                                                                      274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

                                                                                                                      1. re: Herb
                                                                                                                        shekamoo RE: Herb Dec 9, 2010 01:25 PM

                                                                                                                        I think under $15 is the wrong price point with ambitious ingredients. Why do they think the market will not endure the under $20 range?

                                                                                                                    2. re: acd123
                                                                                                                      TorontoJo RE: acd123 Dec 4, 2010 07:22 AM

                                                                                                                      It's not open yet:

                                                                                                                      http://khaosanroad.ca/

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                                                                                                                        koknia RE: TorontoJo Dec 5, 2010 02:25 AM

                                                                                                                        Better hope that the food's better than the backpacker crud served on the real Khao San Rd. (Big and bland.)

                                                                                                                        For any of you Toronto hounds traveling to SEAsia, I have recently relocated back to Bangkok. Look me up if you're coming through and we'll go eat.
                                                                                                                        Awesome chow-town.

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                                                                                                        helenhelen RE: Platoputas Dec 8, 2010 05:57 PM

                                                                                                        i had their sukhothai pad thai today and was wondering if they use MSG in their cooking? i grew up eating MSG (i'm vietnamese!) and i swear that's what i could feel in my mouth. anyone know?

                                                                                                        1. hal2010 RE: Platoputas Jan 7, 2011 04:12 PM

                                                                                                          I went tonight and it was as good as ever. Only complaint was that the Pad Thai was a bit oily, but everything else was fantastic and nice and spicy like we asked.

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                                                                                                            juneplum RE: Platoputas Jan 13, 2011 03:06 PM

                                                                                                            No, I agree with all the posts, there is no better Thai in Toronto. Sukhothai is the tops. After having been to Thailand, I've been disappointed in all the thai i've ever had in Toronto. The Pad Thai is usually so ketchup-y. I was elated to find Sukhothai and have been having it oh, every 2-4 weeks since I've discovered them. I'm SO HAPPY to hear that they are opening a second location (confused about the owners/jeff & nuit running both locations vs new partnerships/owners?) -- but it doesn't really matter either way.. just hope the food remains authentically thai!

                                                                                                            Congrats, Jeff & Nuit on your success and see you at Khao San Road

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                                                                                                            274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

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                                                                                                              TorontoJo RE: juneplum Jan 13, 2011 03:14 PM

                                                                                                              Here's my understanding:

                                                                                                              Jeff and Nuit have moved to Khao San Road exclusively. The owner of Khao San Road has nothing to do with Sukhothai.

                                                                                                              Sukhothai continues to be owned by Jeff's father and the kitchen continues to turn out food with Nuit's recipes. Jeff and Nuit will no longer be working there.

                                                                                                              There is no "official" relationship between the two restaurants except for the familial connection.

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                                                                                                              274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

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                                                                                                                peppermint pate RE: TorontoJo Jan 13, 2011 05:16 PM

                                                                                                                That is correct.

                                                                                                            2. Eating Dude RE: Platoputas Jan 20, 2011 02:01 PM

                                                                                                              If you're looking for delivery don't bother with Sukho Thai, they don't answer their phone very often. Too bad as their food is really good.

                                                                                                              this place answers... http://www.mengraithai.com/2.html

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                                                                                                                Pincus RE: Eating Dude Jan 21, 2011 12:35 PM

                                                                                                                I must have gotten lucky when I phoned them today to ask a question, then.

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                                                                                                                  hal2010 RE: Pincus Jan 21, 2011 06:03 PM

                                                                                                                  I've ordered take-out a couple of times. Both times I had a few busy signals before I got through, but it only took about 5 minutes of trying. And it was worth it.

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                                                                                                                Pincus RE: Platoputas Feb 7, 2011 05:49 AM

                                                                                                                Well, I don't know who is cooking there now, but they're doing an excellent job. Had a delicious lunch there on the weekend, including a nice side of lemongrass iced drink. It was a great complement to the spicy noodles. And the shrimp chips and tamarind are as good as ever. Service was great too.

                                                                                                                Next stop, Nuit's new place. :)

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                                                                                                                  sleuth RE: Pincus Jun 21, 2011 12:46 PM

                                                                                                                  My goodness..I went to Sukothai the other night and, like many Thai restaurants in Toronto, found it deeply mediocre. I suppose I'm a bit spoilt living most of the year in Australia where even ordinary local Thai places are much better than some of Toronto's 'best'. Spring rolls and satays to start were OK. The stir fry noodle dish was uninspiring, and the massman curry was some undercooked spud and sliced beef sloshing around in a drab gravy. Of all the thai places I've eaten at in Toronto, Khao San Rd is way ahead of the pack - they could ratchet up the heat level a bit, and add some stir fries (minus noodle please) to the menu...educate the local tastes rather than pander to them!

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                                                                                                                  3115 Winston Churchill Blvd, Mississauga, ON L5L2W1, CA

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                                                                                                                    pinstripeprincess RE: sleuth Jun 21, 2011 12:59 PM

                                                                                                                    little confused... are the pad phed pha nor the pad gra pao not considered stir fries? they're very meaty but not saucy and very much wokked.

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                                                                                                                      sleuth RE: pinstripeprincess Jun 21, 2011 08:45 PM

                                                                                                                      A lot of Thai stir fries don't have noodles as component- vegetables and a protein or two hit hard and fast in the wok.....while the dishes you mention are stir fries I suspect they have noodles -hence my suggestion of stir fries minus the noodle.

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                                                                                                                        Wahooty RE: sleuth Jun 21, 2011 08:54 PM

                                                                                                                        The specific dishes psp has mentioned do not contain noodles (though they are, as she notes, meaty), thus her post. And they are delicious. :) I think the pad gra prao in particular does try to educate the local tastes, since it uses holy basil, which (to my knowledge) nobody else in the city does.

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                                                                                                                          pinstripeprincess RE: sleuth Jun 22, 2011 03:35 AM

                                                                                                                          i'm really confused at this assumption of noodles... a lot of stir fries from any asian culture do not include noodles. the "pad" in the name means fried/wok fried... nothing to do with noodles. there isn't a single thing in the menu description that indicates noodles either, they both come with rice...

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                                                                                                                        Flexitarian RE: sleuth Jun 21, 2011 08:56 PM

                                                                                                                        I spent a year in Australia and would have to agree with you on Thai food there. But, I don't find Sukothai that bad. Sadly, Khao San Road is a lot farther from me than Sukhothai is and a lot busier so have only been there a couple times.

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                                                                                                                        274 Parliament St, Toronto, ON M5A, CA

                                                                                                                        Sukothai Restaurant
                                                                                                                        3115 Winston Churchill Blvd, Mississauga, ON L5L2W1, CA

                                                                                                                        Khao San Road
                                                                                                                        326 Adelaide St W, Toronto, ON M5V 1P7, CA

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                                                                                                                          Pincus RE: sleuth Jun 22, 2011 08:10 AM

                                                                                                                          I guess if I went to a poutine place in Australia, I'd be similarly disappointed. I'm glad there are about four restaurants in town that are trying to educate and elevate the Thai cuisine standard (and I include Sukhothai in this list). But yes, most other "Thai" places in town are serving pure stodge.

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                                                                                                                            sleuth RE: Pincus Jun 22, 2011 09:55 AM

                                                                                                                            The food in Australia's major cities, and in london, is pretty terrific,across the board, and yes there are some duds, but they don't last. The successful chefs/proprietors work hard to make sure their food is authentic rather than adjusted to what they reckon are 'local' preferences, for example when the dish is 'hot', it really is 'hot' and have a cold beer standing by. The reverse used to be the case, but fortunately those days a are well in the past - so if a poutine place opened you'd probably find it was of a good standard, and one has just opened in Bondi and is drawing a crowd..

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                                                                                                                              Pincus RE: sleuth Jun 22, 2011 10:51 AM

                                                                                                                              The sense I get from Chowhound Toronto is that we are nowhere near the standard of a London, or from what you're saying, a Sydney or Melbourne.

                                                                                                                              But I also get the sense chefs aren't letting the status quo sit around. Some are pushing it, and I think these things are generally evolutionary and slow in nature.

                                                                                                                              "Why are you eating at The Happ-Slappy Thai It On? Their noodles taste like ketchup! Try That Authentic Thai instead!" The market determines what chefs will serve, and education of the public tastebuds takes a while. If authenticity of food was the sole determinant of whether a restaurant was successful, there would be no more Pizza Huts or McDonald's around.

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