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rottenherring Apr 13, 2010 08:54 AM

This is my first post at this excellent site.

Here's the situation. I want to live in Brooklyn, my wife in Manhattan. We decided on a fun way to make the call: each of us gets a few shots at persuading the other by way of finding a great coffee joint, restaurant, concert venue, park, farmer's markets and whatnot.

Time has come for my one shot at showcasing the restaurant scene in Brooklyn tomorrow night, and I have to pick one spot.... She likes the combination of great food, places which have put some thought into a trendy design/decor concept and a hipster crowd. Also, Peter Luger, Saul and Dressler are not eligible as we agreed to not include michelin star restaurants. Here's what I am contemplating:

Vinegar Hill House
Rye
Al Di La
Vanderbilt
Farm on Adderly

Any thoughts if you had to pick just one?

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Al Di La
248 5th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11215

Peter Luger Steak House
178 Broadway, Brooklyn, NY 11211

Vinegar Hill House
72 Hudson Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11201

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    Mangita Jun 1, 2010 04:45 PM

    I have fallen in love with Traife (in Williamsburg). It is new- beautiful garden and such inventive, cutting edge food. Small plates -all meant to share and wonderful bar. It demonstrates that Brooklyn has not only trendy and some very traditional type of classically great food but inventive and a-head-of-the-curve places as well.

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      BillyBob Jun 6, 2010 09:15 AM

      River Deli - new, good, authentic Italian on Joralemon in Bklyn Hgts down by the water. After dinner, stroll the new waterfront park. After that, call the movers.

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      River Deli
      32 Joralemon St, Brooklyn, NY 11201

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      AdHoc25 Jun 1, 2010 12:38 PM

      Applewood in Park Slope
      Diner, or next door at Marlow and Sons in Williamsburg
      Vinegar Hill House in, well, Vinegar Hill
      Dressler
      ....I think that's it from me...Look into 'em

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      Applewood
      501 11th St, Brooklyn, NY 11215

      Vinegar Hill House
      72 Hudson Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11201

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        richg35 Jun 1, 2010 09:40 AM

        This thread is a couple of months old. I wonder who won.

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          rottenherring Jul 9, 2012 05:06 AM

          in case someone saunters in on this now old trail... it was a draw. we moved back to sweden instead... but what great food memories of this city we have. Including Brooklyn!

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            balthazar Jul 12, 2012 05:13 AM

            Funnily enough, I was just reading through this thread (CH from Toronto, Canada, coming to NYC this weekend and planning on walking the bridge and having dinner in Brooklyn). Great to have "closure" to the story after reading through an excellent thread (even if you didn't end up in Brooklyn after all). Kudos to to everyone here for all the great posts & recommendations!

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          son of a butcher May 31, 2010 04:04 AM

          Nathan's Coney Island

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            JeremyEG Apr 24, 2010 04:31 PM

            Can't believe no one here has recommended Franny's! Just had early season ramps with house made Coppa the other night and it was really amazing. Good cocktails too!
            JeremyEG
            homecooklocavore.wordpress.com

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              Sneakeater Apr 23, 2010 12:35 PM

              Rye might not be a good idea.

              If you don't actually live in Williamsburg or Greenpoint, it's easier to get to Rye from Manhattan than from the rest of Brooklyn. So if your wife really likes Rye, that might be an argument to move to Manhattan instead of Brooklyn.

              1. Peter Apr 18, 2010 12:16 PM

                Glad the first meal was a big hit! For the second, it's time to think strategically.

                Vinegar Hill House? Food isn't as good as a lot of place and the remote location, while appealing to some, will likely scare off someone who's lobbying for Manhattan.

                The Good Fork? Great food, great room, great scene, but also somewhat in the middle of nowhere.

                Locanda Vini et Olli? One of my all-time favorites but also VERY remote.

                Al Di La? Some of the best food in Brooklyn but no reservations could backfire by creating a 90 minute wait.

                Applewood? Also one of the best in Brooklyn but a little too far down 7th Ave.

                If you're coming by subway, then I'd consider (pause dramatically in anticipation of the insane answer that's coming) Brooklyn Heights.

                Yes, Brooklyn Heights. The exact *opposite* of hipster Brooklyn. But.... you can take almost any train in the city to get here so it's a fast and easy ride that feels very close to Manhattan -- sort of the best of both worlds. (It's the very first stop on the A/C, 2/3, 4/5, R, and M... the F train isn't far but is far enough that few take it.)

                You say you took the L to Williamsburg which means you work along the 14th street corridor. From there you take the 4/5, the 2/3 or the A and be in Brooklyn Heights after a 12 minute ride. Step out in charming brownstone perfection. Walk to the Promenade. Take in the view, etc, etc.

                But where to eat? It's not overly hip crowd-wise but the food is excellent at Jack the Horse Tavern (No Michelen star but Michelen "recommended"). If it's a nice night you could walk down to Henry Public for drinks and burgers. Go a block further and see Bucca Lopo nestled in and among the brownstones. If you get the early enough walk her past Iris Cafe, the new coffee house that just got named the best in NYC by New York magazine (and then got a great review in the Times' $25 and Under column).

                Finally, I don't know what you do for a living on how much your jobs move around, but the aforementioned subways are the semi-secret highlight of the neighborhood. Most places in Brooklyn (or Manhattan for that matter) are only served by 1 subway line. Live on the UES? You're screwed if your job moves to Columbus Circle. Live in the South Slope? God, I hope your job never leaves the (very slow) F train. But here, no matter where you work, you pretty much always have a transfer-free subway ride.

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                Al Di La
                248 5th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11215

                Applewood
                501 11th St, Brooklyn, NY 11215

                Jack the Horse Tavern
                64 Hicks St, Brooklyn, NY 11201

                The Good Fork
                391 Van Brunt St, Brooklyn, NY 11231

                Vinegar Hill House
                72 Hudson Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11201

                Henry Public
                329 Henry St, Brooklyn, NY 11201

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                  Nehna Apr 23, 2010 11:46 AM

                  Agreed on Henry Public for drinks---Char No 4 is a great choice for either drinks (though the bar area gets packed nightly) or for dinner (have had an excellent cpl of meals there recently). Sample is a wonderful local wine bar on Smith St to pop into as well. Would also add a nod for Buco Lupo which I waited far too long to frequent til recently --- really great meals there, reminds me of 'Inoteca in LES.

                  Also, I have yet to go (regretably....less opportunity for dining out these days w/ a toddler) but Brooklyn Fare's chef table experience is supposed to be out of this world.

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                  Henry Public
                  329 Henry St, Brooklyn, NY 11201

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                  trezor Apr 15, 2010 07:48 PM

                  Bamontes - shows classic Italian Brklyn with plenty of local Williamsburg representing as well. Best Italian in the borough. Or Roberta's in Bushwick - great food, funkiest restaurant ever, reminds me of circa West Village 1990. Or Destefano's for what might be the best steak in Williamsburg (soor Mr. Luger)

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                  Bamonte's
                  32 Withers St, Brooklyn, NY 11211

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                    rottenherring Apr 15, 2010 08:07 AM

                    Our Brooklyn night was a blazing success.
                    Many thanks to all Chowhounds who opined.

                    We ended up leaving early from work, took the L train to Bedford, strolled about, seemingly without a plan, had perfect coffee at Blue Bottle Coffee, then wandered on and as by chance landed (my wife made the call) at Marlowe and Sons, where we had a spectacular dinner which seemed to mix the A. Portale approach to "New American" with more gutsy statements (the soup! the ice cream!) which made it work real well. The place soon filled up and the ambiance was incredible. Exactly right. One of the best dining experiences in new york all time for me.

                    What we had:
                    Fennel consommé and cream textured mussels for starters and a beautiful swordfish a la poêle for main courses followed by excellent icecream with sea salt and olive oil.

                    A Metro Normandy drink, some italian micro brew ale and a glass of beautifully oxidized Hautes Terres de Comberousse ('05) added to the concert of flavors. A free tasting of 12 yr old guatemalan rum at the wine shop next door to Dressler further helped position the evening as more than your usual Wednesday night.

                    Most importantly, I obtained the right to organize another food outing in Brooklyn (either Carrol Gardens+surroundings or Park Slope) soon, where I will use the other great suggestions on this thread.

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                    Blue Bottle Coffee
                    160 Berry St, Brooklyn, NY 11211

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                      BklnChicken Apr 15, 2010 08:16 AM

                      Congrats! Welcome to Brooklyn, Mrs. rottenherring!

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                        Glendale is hungry Apr 15, 2010 10:39 AM

                        Cue guitar!

                        So here's to you, Mrs. rottenherring
                        Brooklyn loves you more than you will know...

                        whoa whoa whoa

                        Come get the keys, Mrs. rottenherring
                        Park Slope holds a place for you today...

                        hey hey hey

                        ciao,

                        Glendale is hungry...

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                        foodismylife Apr 15, 2010 08:51 AM

                        good on you
                        here is what you do next
                        have the wedding at the brooklyn botanical gardens and invite all of us
                        please note you will need a mortgage to do this
                        be that as it may congrats
                        must take her to difara for life changing pizza

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                          foodismylife Apr 15, 2010 10:44 AM

                          I meant renewal of your vows obviously

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                            reasonablyso Apr 18, 2010 07:31 AM

                            Thoughts on a second meal.... I'm a big fan of Flatbush Farm on St. Mark's (at the very top of Park Slope). They have a lovely and thoughtful interior, delicious locally sourced foods, and a wonderful bar attached, called BAR(N). I think their patio is open now, and you can go for a nice stroll among the brownstones before or after.

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                            Flatbush Farm
                            76 Saint Marks Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11217

                            1. re: rottenherring
                              Noodle fanatic May 30, 2010 04:18 PM

                              Rottenherring, As a Chowhound and die-hard Manhattanite, it's very hard for me to understand why one would prefer to live in Brooklyn over Manhattan if saving money or avoiding paparazzi is not a concern. That said, if you want to impress a foodie in Brooklyn, my picks would be Al Di La for lunch or dinner, or Stone Park Cafe for brunch in Park Slope. Stone Park Cafe has an amazing hangtown fry (fried oysters, bacon, eggs, and cheese!). I probably wouldn't care for Stone Park Cafe other than for brunch. I haven't tried their lunch or dinner, but the menu just didn't look good enough, since there would be so many Manhattan restaurants that would do a better job than they would. I wouldn't recommend Frankie's 457. The environment is cute, but the food is subpar. Not chowhound worthy.

                              Is your wife a foodie? (If so, you're fighting an uphill battle. Sure Brooklyn has cute and good restaurants, but the list of Chowhound-worthy restaurants is much smaller than that of Manhattan, which is why even if someone made me live in Brooklyn, I'd still spend most of my time eating in Manhattan or cooking myself.) Does she enjoy cooking? Maybe the food co-ops will be a selling point? Or perhaps as a downtown girl, Barney's Co-Op opening a location in Cobble Hill will make moving to Brooklyn less painful? If you guys prefer living in walkups and Brownstones, she might like Carroll Gardens or Cobble Hill. For doorman-elevator buildings, Dumbo and Williamsburg. Although as much as I like the fact that Williamsburg has lots of restaurant choices, I can't get over the potential health risks of living there (the oil-spill in Greenpoint). If that's not a concern, Williamsburg's condo market is crashing now, so you could potentially get some deals there. If you're just looking to rent, stay in Manhattan, there are enough good deals here... the places that a Manhattanite would approve of in Brooklyn are not THAT much cheaper if you're renting.

                              Hope this helps. Cheers.

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                              Al Di La
                              248 5th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11215

                              Stone Park Cafe
                              324 5th Avenue, Brooklyn, NY 11215

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                                EJC May 30, 2010 08:43 PM

                                Them's fighting words...

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                                  foodismylife Jun 1, 2010 01:06 PM

                                  YOU GOT THAT RIGHT, HE IS TRASHING THE BOROUGH OF MY BIRTH.

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                                    Glendale is hungry Jun 1, 2010 01:26 PM

                                    Hi foodismylife,

                                    Just be glad that Noodle fanatic and most like him/her/it stay in Manhattan. It's where he/she/it is happiest and therefore where he/she/it belongs.

                                    Then enjoy everything your wonderful borough has to offer without him/her/it trying to rain on your bountiful buffet.

                                    Ciao,

                                    Glendale is hungry...

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                              Claire Apr 14, 2010 09:59 AM

                              I agree with al di la. Cool room, great food. You might consider No. 7 in Fort Greene. The food is inventive, the scene lively and there's a mix of hipsters and others that's very Brooklyn.

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                              No. 7
                              7 Greene Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11238

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                                rottenherring Apr 14, 2010 01:52 PM

                                All very cool suggestions - appreciate it very much! Closing the book soon and heading out to chow wonderland. WIll report on the choices made...

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                                Glendale is hungry Apr 14, 2010 08:30 AM

                                Hi rottenherring,

                                For “whatnot,” I would recommend bringing your wife to a few funky locales a little off the beaten path in Williamsburg like:

                                Pies ‘n’ Thighs (166 S.4th Street (@Driggs) Brooklyn NY 11211)
                                Saltie (378 Metropolitan Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11211)
                                Dumont (432 Union Avenue Brooklyn, NY 11211)

                                These are some seriously wonderful places for getting really good whatnot—at a reasonable price.

                                Pies n’ Thighs is a charming, relaxed hangout with delicious downhome cooking and is a joy to visit.

                                While not the most comfortable place to sit, Saltie’s inventive “knife-and-fork” sandwiches, often unusual baked goods and ice creams are always fun to try and savor.

                                Dumont simply does everything right. It has great burgers, some delectable fancier fare, an engaging space, super-nice staff and all for a fraction of what you’d pay in Manhattan.

                                I’ve lived in Queens now for well over a decade and, for good food, I think the Outer Boroughs are where it’s at. Not to overgeneralize, but many eating places in Manhattan don’t seem to care as much about what they make as do places in Queens, Brooklyn, etc.

                                For me, Queens usually has much more authentic ethnic food than Manhattan (and Brooklyn’s not too shabby in this regard either—ditto for The Bronx and Staten Island). The ethnic restaurants are often located within ethnic communities and owned/run and frequently patronized by people from those ethnic communities.

                                In Brooklyn, particularly in parts of Williamsburg, Bushwick and elsewhere, there are scores of folks, often young (or youngish) entrepreneurs, who put their heart and soul into what they serve—and it really shows.

                                Good luck!

                                I hope you win!

                                Ciao,

                                Glendale is hungry…

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                                  Glendale is hungry Apr 14, 2010 06:10 AM

                                  Does your wife know you're on this board?

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                                    rottenherring Apr 14, 2010 07:25 AM

                                    LoL - but a good point! She does indeed know I am receiving expert help from an online community, but no more details than that... to keep it more of a surprise

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                                      foodismylife Apr 14, 2010 01:33 PM

                                      williamsburg sounds like it would be to her liking, my daughter is at pratt and wouldnt be anywhere else in the world.
                                      She has to feel it though, DiFara's is for way later in the adventure
                                      Motorino is cheap at lunch tten bucks, marlow and sons and diner are way cool
                                      how about peter lugers for a burger and steak and old worl charm(not)
                                      i stick with junior's their cheesecake rules.
                                      i think you should hire a tour bus and take all of us brooklyn foodies with you two for moral support
                                      reming her that olmstead viewed prospect park as his masterpiece not central park
                                      if it is warm go to coney island for fries and next door for caramel corn.
                                      one out of seven americans have family ties to brooklyn add 2 people to that number
                                      tell her to get with the program

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                                      Motorino
                                      319 Graham Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11211

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                                    Mangita Apr 13, 2010 07:19 PM

                                    For excellent, sophisticated food I would take her to Saul's on Court St (here she can see the Court street food scene) and Al Di La in Park Slope arguably some of the best Italian anywhere.

                                    For a taste of hip Williamsburg go to Walters Food and Zenkichi. The latter is Tokyo comes to Brooklyn (so romantic) and the former is reminiscent of Balthazar. Then there is breakfast at Egg.

                                    I also love The Good Fork and she can get a glimpse of our own Fairway which has fabulous views (including the best view of Lady Liberty anywhere).

                                    For pizza, since she is a Manhattanite, go to Motorino. DiFara's may be too deep into Brooklyn for her at this point!

                                    You might also want to go to some of our wonderful cafes- so reminiscent of what used to be in Manhattan until so many were priced out of existence.

                                    Good luck. Many years ago I had to wean my own Manhattanite off that island and now he loves his adopted borough.

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                                    Al Di La
                                    248 5th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11215

                                    Zenkichi
                                    77 North 6th Street, Brooklyn, NY 11211

                                    The Good Fork
                                    391 Van Brunt St, Brooklyn, NY 11231

                                    Motorino
                                    319 Graham Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11211

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                                      Peter Cherches Apr 14, 2010 04:57 AM

                                      Anyway, I don't think waiting on line at Di Fara is the best way to seal the deal.

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                                        rottenherring Apr 14, 2010 07:26 AM

                                        thanks! I think I would very much like to wait in line at Di Fara or some place like that, but that's preaching to the already converted. My wonderful wife likes trendy/hip/cool spots in Chelsea, meatpacking, Nolita and lower east side - this point was raised before so just wanted to clarify.

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                                          dhs Apr 14, 2010 09:02 AM

                                          Does your wife like cocktails? Dram Bar is new place on S4th that makes some mean cocktails and has a pretty trendy feel to it (not sure I would be the best judge of that though). Across the street is Pies'N'Thighs, which is very casual, no table service, but within walking distance are Rye and Walter Foods.

                                          Another drink/food combo that might be good is Spuyten Duyvil (great beer bar) and Dumont. Or If you like BBQ, Fette Sau is across the street from S.D.. Also new in the areas is Fatty Cue, but I have not been. Lots of good options in WIlliamsburg. You must, be one, like, or at least tolerate hipsters though. You can't turn around without running into a hipster in Williamsburg.

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                                          Fette Sau
                                          354 Metropolitan Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11211

                                          Spuyten Duyvil
                                          132 N 5th St, Brooklyn, NY 11211

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                                        jaingmaster Apr 13, 2010 06:36 PM

                                        Do you know what sort of neighborhoods/restaurants your wife has selected in Manhattan? That would be a good insight into her priorities, and could be useful in whittling down the huge variety of places proposed earlier in this thread. Park Slope v Williamsburg cannot be solved objectively, but with a little more information it might become obvious which one suits your purpose.

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                                          rottenherring Apr 14, 2010 07:27 AM

                                          Jaingmaster - this point came up before and I had no clue. As of this morning, my wife seems to lean more towards williamsburg than park slope. So that's where we may end up for at least part of the evening...

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                                          micki Apr 13, 2010 01:34 PM

                                          If you wife wants to live in Manhattan I'm thinking she's a woman who appreciates a more urbane, sophisticated environment (this might, of course, depend on where in Manhattan she'd like to settle). If food, location, general vibe, and a pleasing aesthetic is something that would woo her a way from the Big City I'd go with al di la. The food is, in my opinion, the best to be found in Brooklyn. Then there's the Park Slope factor--hip shops, beautiful architecture, trees, accessibility to Manhattan, great food shopping and other places to eat. And I haven't even mentioned Prospect Park, the Brooklyn Museum and The Brooklyn Botanic Gardens all in walking distance.I really don't think Vinegar Hill House would work for her. Or Buttermilk Channel for that matter. Both way to remote and isolated. But if it's really about the food I'll stand by al di la for an unsurpassed, memorable and perhaps mind-changing dinner

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                                          Brooklyn Botanic Garden
                                          900 Washington Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11225

                                          Buttermilk Channel
                                          524 Court St, Brooklyn, NY 11231

                                          Vinegar Hill House
                                          72 Hudson Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11201

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                                            emarcus Apr 13, 2010 01:44 PM

                                            Not that the desserts aren't great at al di la, but, as mentioned above, a great twofer is dinner at al di la followed by dessert at the Chocolate Room, home of the greatest chocolate layer cake. This would showcase the sheer profusion of deliciousness to be had on Fifth Avenue.

                                            Do keep in mind that al di la doesn't take reservations. We don't want to scotch the evening because your wife winds up waiting on line for an hour...

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                                            Chocolate Room
                                            86 5th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11217

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                                              Peter Cherches Apr 13, 2010 04:55 PM

                                              Al di La doesn't take reservations, but you can give them your name and go to their wine bar around the corner and they'll come and get you when the table's ready.

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                                              missmasala Apr 13, 2010 04:45 PM

                                              Buttermilk channel isolated? Have you been there recently? plenty of hip shops and a stone's throw from Prime Meats. Methinks you meant Vinegar Hill House, which is indeed isolated.

                                              Agree with Bklynchicken in that I think Court St is a nicer walk than 5th ave, tho the food at Al Di La is excellent. Carroll Gardens is also close to Manhattan.

                                              I say have a drink at Prime Meats (or Brooklyn Social) dinner at Buttermilk Channel, dessert at Chocolate Room.

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                                              Al Di La
                                              248 5th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11215

                                              Chocolate Room
                                              269 Court St, Brooklyn, NY 11231

                                              Buttermilk Channel
                                              524 Court St, Brooklyn, NY 11231

                                              Vinegar Hill House
                                              72 Hudson Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11201

                                              Prime Meats
                                              465 Court St, Brooklyn, NY 11231

                                              Brooklyn Social
                                              335 Smith St, Brooklyn, NY 11231

                                            3. EJC Apr 13, 2010 12:42 PM

                                              Unfortunately it misses on the criteria of "great food" but....
                                              My brother sold his wife on Brooklyn recently with a meal at Bar Tabac on Smith St. The food is only ok, but it's definitely hip and quite a scene.

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                                              Bar Tabac
                                              128 Smith St, Brooklyn, NY 11201

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                                                rottenherring Apr 13, 2010 01:07 PM

                                                sounds like a great place to have coffee or a drink in conjunction with dinner at some smith or court street resto.

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                                                  jennitrixie Apr 13, 2010 04:27 PM

                                                  The food is good at a neighborhood joint level (I live nearby and go about once every 6 weeks or so). It's a lively place though. If you hit the right night there's a jazz band (I know Tuesdays for sure), which makes it a nice place to drop in for a drink.

                                                  To give your side the edge, I think it's important to work strategically in choosing a neighborhood. I'm willing to bet the biggest obstacle you face is overcoming the psychological distance of Going To Brooklyn. You'll be more likely to win if you take her to a lively (good foot traffic, lots of bar/restaurant/etc. choice), picturesque neighborhood that is Manhattan-convenient than if you take her to the best foodiegasm of her life in a less-attractive, far-flung neighborhood. Call it playing the yuppie card, but no one said winning was pretty...after your victory, you can pack her up and move her to Sheepshead Bay or wherever. ;)

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                                                Potrezebie Apr 13, 2010 11:54 AM

                                                Try:

                                                DiFara's
                                                Skinflint's for Hamburgers (Fifth Ave at 79th St, Bay Ridge)
                                                Nathan's for hot dogs and fries (Don't forget their Chow Mein on a bun and frog legs)
                                                Middle East on Atlantic Avenue and around Church Ave (McDonald Ave and Coney Isl Ave)
                                                Forget Juniors...their cheesecakes are pure sugar now)

                                                If your wife doesn't want to move to Brooklyn with these here, keep her as a friend and get a chowhound to accompany you to the best eats.

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                                                  Peter Cherches Apr 13, 2010 12:01 PM

                                                  Potrezebie, I love your handle--I've been working my way through ancient Mad magazines.

                                                  But Tanoreen is way better than any Middle Eastern on Atlantic.

                                                  http://petercherches.blogspot.com

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                                                  Tanoreen
                                                  7523 3rd Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11209

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                                                    Potrezebie Apr 15, 2010 09:18 AM

                                                    Fried Axolotl, maybe? I just bought $72 worth of Moxie in Allentown, Pa on Sunday! Come join Melvin Coznowski and me...we'll have some crackers...to slip a rozer the dropsy in snide...with it.

                                                    I assume Peter, you can decypher what was just said...and congratulations!

                                                2. malibu Apr 13, 2010 10:55 AM

                                                  throwing in my votes for Good Fork (Red Hook) and Marlow and Sons in Williamsburg. She will like either of those... i promise you. Go Brooklyn!!!!

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                                                  The Good Fork
                                                  391 Van Brunt St, Brooklyn, NY 11231

                                                  1. jen kalb Apr 13, 2010 10:14 AM

                                                    Id think first about what area you might want to live in - I mean, if you want to live in Park Slope why will a place in Willaimsburg be a sell (or vice versa)

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                                                      rottenherring Apr 13, 2010 10:51 AM

                                                      good point: I am using a well proven strategy here: provide a feeling of choice (as in, there are a lot of great neighbourhoods in Brooklyn) then let the prospective brooklynite (my wife in this case) make the decision - to create true ownership!

                                                    2. bobjbkln Apr 13, 2010 10:13 AM

                                                      Loconda Vini and Olli: It's such a surprise. The restaurant is on a quiet residential street and totally non descript from the outside. Inside it is a restored pharmacy decor with wood panelling and glass cabinets . Food is Tuscan and very good. Not cheap, but very special. It's also usually quite lively.

                                                      Also I agree with foodismylife that DiFara's can be the closer (don't forget to bring a bottle of wine with you); but you need a more comfortable, hassle free set-up first like Loconda or some of the other suggestions. Good luck.

                                                      P.S. I'd definitely leave the Vanderbilt off your short list, not very special.

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                                                        rottenherring Apr 13, 2010 10:45 AM

                                                        vanderbilt is off the list. enter loconda vini and olli. menu looks really interesting, including wine list.

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                                                        jimmyjazz Apr 13, 2010 10:13 AM

                                                        Vinegar Hill House and Al Di La are both great choices. Al Di La's location on 5th ave is probably more appealing to a Manhattanite as Vinegar Hill House is quite isolated (but has a definite allure). I would throw Frankie's 457, Prime Meats and Buttermilk Channel on your list; solid food, hip scenes and would allow you to explore Carroll Gardens.

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                                                        Al Di La
                                                        248 5th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11215

                                                        Buttermilk Channel
                                                        524 Court St, Brooklyn, NY 11231

                                                        Vinegar Hill House
                                                        72 Hudson Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11201

                                                        Prime Meats
                                                        465 Court St, Brooklyn, NY 11231

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                                                          rottenherring Apr 13, 2010 10:41 AM

                                                          thanks for the good pieces of advice. Agree on Frankie's and Prime Meats and have not heard of/been to Buttermil Channel yet. Took my brother who was visiting from Sweden to Prime meats in December. Killer throwback cocktails. not to mention the waxed moustache of the 1870 clad lad who mixed it.

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                                                          Prime Meats
                                                          465 Court St, Brooklyn, NY 11231

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                                                            BklnChicken Apr 13, 2010 11:04 AM

                                                            Agree with JimmyJazz. If you do Frankie's or Prime Meats, stroll up Court Street afterwards for some chocolate goodies at The Chocolate Room. You can do the same thing after dinner at Al Di La on Fifth Avenue. Excellent Italian + toothsome chocolate = swooning wife. IMO, Court Street is a more pleasant walk than Fifth Avenue, but not everyone may agree.

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                                                            Al Di La
                                                            248 5th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11215

                                                            Chocolate Room
                                                            269 Court St, Brooklyn, NY 11231

                                                            Prime Meats
                                                            465 Court St, Brooklyn, NY 11231

                                                          2. heidipie Apr 13, 2010 09:39 AM

                                                            I don't know if Diner's decor is trendy--it's a diner--but it's certainly hipster enough. Will your wife take into account the surrounding neighborhood(s)? Diner/Marlowe are under the bridge without much street action; Farm on Adderley is wonderful, but it's in a "subway suburb" that is now blessed with a hipster zone. (I grew up a block from Cortelyou Road, and if those restaurants had been there then, I'd have never left. Go Brooklyn!)

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                                                            The Farm on Adderley
                                                            1108 Cortelyou Rd, Brooklyn, NY 11218

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                                                              rottenherring Apr 13, 2010 10:38 AM

                                                              These are important considerations! on the one hand, a great foodie destination can be set off in even better light by some contrast with the immediate surroundings, on the other hand, starting around, say, bedford ave and finding a good place may do more to create the feeling of "there's so many cool places here"...

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                                                              foodismylife Apr 13, 2010 09:37 AM

                                                              what are you thinking?
                                                              DiFara's
                                                              forget the other stuff
                                                              game,set,match point.
                                                              Seriously, if you are thinking Williamsburg, there are many choices.
                                                              check the threads, dont forget strawberry cheesecake at Juniors

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                                                                heypielady Apr 13, 2010 09:00 AM

                                                                I'm not from Brooklyn but when I was visiting a friend there she took me to Marlowe & Sons and it made me want to move to Brooklyn.

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                                                                  rottenherring Apr 13, 2010 09:05 AM

                                                                  thanks! looks great: it will make the short list

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                                                                    UnderemployedInNYC Apr 16, 2010 06:14 PM

                                                                    Proud brooklynite and restaurant worker here.

                                                                    Casual Williamsburg: Motorino
                                                                    Pricey Williamsburg: Dressler

                                                                    These are two of my favorite billyburg eateries.

                                                                    For Cobble Hill/Carroll Garden area (my stomping ground) I recommend:
                                                                    Pre-dinner cocktail: Char No. 4
                                                                    Dinner: Frankie's 457
                                                                    Post Dinner Cocktails: Clover Club

                                                                    Forte Green : No. 7

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                                                                    Clover Club
                                                                    210 Smith St, Brooklyn, NY 11201

                                                                    Char No. 4
                                                                    196 Smith St, Brooklyn, NY 11201

                                                                    No. 7
                                                                    7 Greene Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11238

                                                                    Motorino
                                                                    319 Graham Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11211

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