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What would you add or subtract from the Chron Top 100 List? 2010

wolfe Apr 3, 2010 06:59 PM

nocharge has started this years list with this post,

This year's list is out.

New: Adesso, Baker & Banker, Chapeau, Etoile, Flour + Water, Frances, Frascati, Limon, Neela's, Nombe, Osteria Stellina, Press, RN74, Sante, Scopa, Solbar, Tipsy Pig, and Wexler's. In addition Babacco was included in the Perbacco entry and Boot and Shoe Service in the one for Pizzaiolo.

Gone: Aqua, BarBersQ, Bistro Aix, Buckeye Roadhouse, Cortez, Fonda, Gitane, Jack Falstaff, Kokkari, Martini House, Marzano, Matterhorn, Moss Room, Nettie's Crab Shack, Nick's Cove, Sea Salt, Ton Kiang, and Ubuntu.
nocharge Apr 03, 2010 03:16PM

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Ubuntu Restaurant & Yoga Studio
1140 Main Street, Napa, CA 94558

Perbacco
230 California St, San Francisco, CA 94111

Pizzaiolo
5008 Telegraph Ave, Oakland, CA 94609

Sea Salt
2512 San Pablo Avenue, Berkeley, CA 94702

Nick's Cove
23240 Hwy 1, Marshall, CA 95450

Frascati Restaurant
1901 Hyde Street, San Francisco, CA 94109

Ton Kiang
5821 Geary Blvd, San Francisco, CA 94121

Buckeye Roadhouse
15 Shoreline Highway, Mill Valley, CA 94941

BarBersQ
3900 D Bel Aire Plaza, Napa, CA 94558

Martini House
1245 Spring St., St. Helena, CA 94574

Limon Restaurant
524 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

Bistro Aix
3340 Steiner St, San Francisco, CA 94123

Gitane Restaurant & Bar
6 Claude Lane, San Francisco, CA 94108

Scopa
109 Plaza St, Healdsburg, CA 95448

Sante Restaurant
100 Boyes Blvd, Sonoma, CA

Nettie's Crab Shack
2032 Union Street, San Francisco, CA 94123

Marzano
4214 Park Boulevard, Oakland, CA 94602

Adesso
4395 Piedmont Ave, Oakland, CA

Osteria Stellina
11285 Highway 1, Point Reyes Station, CA

Tipsy Pig
2231 Chestnut Street, San Francisco, CA 94123

RN74
301 Mission Street, San Francisco, CA 94105

Nombe
2491 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

Baker & Banker
1701 Octavia Street, San Francisco, CA 94109

Boot and Shoe Service
3308 Grand Ave, Oakland, CA 94610

  1. w
    wannab Apr 8, 2010 10:57 PM

    I don't get how Chow made the list. The food is good and fresh and consistent. But I don't think of going to Chows as going out for a great dinner. It's casual, kinda meet friends for lunch kinda place.

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    1. re: wannab
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      ML8000 Apr 8, 2010 11:11 PM

      I like Chow and but agree more or less about why they're still on the list. The only thing that might keep them on the list is the price, it's a good value.

      Any way to me Chow is one of the best neighborhood places. You can go often, good enough for visitors and feel you're paying a fair price. The other neighborhood places I've experienced are usually about 1/3 higher in price and the food might be on par or better but not as consistent or necessarily better for average eating. I notice $50 vs. $75. I don't know if it's a Top 100 but the whole thing is wacky.

      1. re: ML8000
        Ruth Lafler Apr 9, 2010 12:38 AM

        He does try to pick places at different price levels. Chow is -- in MB's mind, at least -- one of the best restaurants in its price range.

        1. re: Ruth Lafler
          m
          ML8000 Apr 9, 2010 12:05 PM

          Holy Cow, I agree with MB.

    2. jillyju Apr 7, 2010 05:27 PM

      What about Contigo in Noe Valley? It seems like MB's type of place, has genuinely delicious food, and seems to me to have enough going for it to be worth a drive across town if not over the bridge. I'm hard pressed to imagine a scenario where Chow (which I like perfectly well for what it is) is a better choice for the top 100 than Contigo.

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      Contigo
      1320 Castro St, San Francisco, CA 94114

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      1. re: jillyju
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        vulber Apr 8, 2010 08:11 AM

        interestingly enough, MB tweeted positive things about contigo, but no review appeared

        1. re: vulber
          Robert Lauriston Apr 8, 2010 08:17 AM

          It was reviewed by Amanda Gold:

          http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article...

      2. m
        melvin Apr 6, 2010 04:49 PM

        Add Bistro Elan and Tamarine in Palo Alto. Add the Village Pub in Woodside.
        All three of these places are wonderful, not to mention far superior to the execrable Va de Vi.
        Ax Va de Vi. What kind of small plate restaurant refuses to provide bread? Snooty service by amateurs. Unremarkable food.

        1. JasmineG Apr 6, 2010 04:39 PM

          I would definitely add Commis and La Ciccia, and definitely drop Bay Wolf and Chow. But I really don't understand why Bauer feels compelled to keep the list at 100 every year -- make it 105 if there are 105 that are that great (and 95 if there are only 95).

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          La Ciccia
          291 30th Street, San Francisco, CA 94131

          Bay Wolf Restaurant
          3853 Piedmont Avenue, Oakland, CA 94611

          Commis
          3859 Piedmont Avenue, Oakland, CA 94611

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          1. re: JasmineG
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            Calvinist Apr 6, 2010 05:01 PM

            Nice, round numbers have a big apeal -- makes it a bit of a game.

            1. re: JasmineG
              Robert Lauriston Apr 6, 2010 06:33 PM

              Edited: Oh, wait, I get it. He counts the four Chows as one but puts Park Chow separately on the By Cuisines list. So that's 100.

              He also counts the two Dosas as one, so that's 112.

              1. re: Robert Lauriston
                BernalKC Apr 6, 2010 06:48 PM

                He counts the two Chows as one.

                1. re: BernalKC
                  JasmineG Apr 6, 2010 06:51 PM

                  Yeah, and it's even worse, because he counts Perbacco and Barbacco as one (and Pizzaiolo and Boot and Shoe, though they're a lot more similar).

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                  Perbacco
                  230 California St, San Francisco, CA 94111

                  Pizzaiolo
                  5008 Telegraph Ave, Oakland, CA 94609

                  Barbacco
                  230 California St, San Francisco, CA 94111

                  1. re: JasmineG
                    Robert Lauriston Apr 6, 2010 07:08 PM

                    True, and he similarly consolidated entries for Amber India, Chez Panisse, Yank Sing, and Yoshi's.

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                      indigirl Apr 7, 2010 05:15 PM

                      When I read this I thought for a second you were joking that he rolled all those 4 restaurants into one entry. I was laughing out loud until I realized what you meant :)

            2. c
              Calvinist Apr 6, 2010 12:39 PM

              No La Ciccia is my major complaint. Of course they seem to be doing quite well as it is. And like another poster I can't believe Greens is still in the list.

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              La Ciccia
              291 30th Street, San Francisco, CA 94131

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              1. re: Calvinist
                susancinsf Apr 6, 2010 03:59 PM

                Ditto, particularly re La Ciccia. (though the last time I ate at Greens Jerry Garcia was at the next table, which gives some idea as to how long ago it was)

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                La Ciccia
                291 30th Street, San Francisco, CA 94131

                1. re: susancinsf
                  c
                  Calvinist Apr 6, 2010 04:57 PM

                  I was at Greens about 5 years ago. It wasn't terrible, but nothing exicting at all. Have not heard about anything major changing, so I'm sceptical about its merit.

              2. BernalKC Apr 6, 2010 08:51 AM

                Nombe? Really? Would not make my top-100 list. Some good dishes, but inconsistent. And the ambiance was pretty funky.

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                Nombe
                2491 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

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                1. re: BernalKC
                  Melanie Wong Apr 6, 2010 09:10 AM

                  Anyone who drove from the Peninsula or South Bay would be pretty pissed eating at Nombe when there are so many izakaya that are so much better in San Jose, Palo Alto, San Mateo, Sunnyvale, Cupertino, and Sunnyvale. Nombe is so weak.

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                  Nombe
                  2491 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                  1. re: Melanie Wong
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                    sfbing Apr 6, 2010 09:33 AM

                    I don't think ethnic (ie non-American, Californian, European) food is MB's strong suit. He seems to prefer posher ethnic eateries that cater to wealthier, more Western tastes. Hence, Nombe makes the list rather than say Kappou gomi or Sumiya. Or Yank Sing rather than any of the Asian Pearls.

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                    Yank Sing
                    49 Stevenson St Ste Stlv, San Francisco, CA 94105

                    Sumiya
                    2634 Homestead Rd, Santa Clara, CA 95051

                    Asian Pearl
                    3288 Pierce St, Richmond, CA 94804

                    Nombe
                    2491 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                    1. re: sfbing
                      v
                      vulber Apr 6, 2010 09:50 AM

                      I wouldn't completely agree with that. For one, to be fair, he didn't review Kappou Gomi (I forget who did). He also has had a lot of good things to say about Lers Ros Thai, and Vik's Chaat Corner is still in the top 100, and he included La Taqueria for many years.

                      I also have no problem with the inclusion of Yank Sing, as it's the best dim sum I've had, even if it's a lousy value. Note that he also dropped the somewhat westernized Ton Kiang (as he should have).

                      Then again, he also regularly includes Slanted Door and DOSA on the list, I doubt he has even been to Udupi Palace or Pagolac.

                      And not all posh ethnic eateries are undeserving of the top 100; while I haven't been to Aziza since Maldonado took over, the meal I had was absolutely phenomenal and there's no way it should be dropped from the top 100 for a more traditional Moroccan place.

                      I would rather Yoshi's be dropped than Nombe.

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                      Slanted Door
                      Ferry Slip, San Francisco, CA 94111

                      Pagolac
                      655 Larkin St, San Francisco, CA 94109

                      Yank Sing
                      49 Stevenson St Ste Stlv, San Francisco, CA 94105

                      La Taqueria
                      2889 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                      Ton Kiang
                      5821 Geary Blvd, San Francisco, CA 94121

                      Lers Ros Thai
                      730 Larkin St, San Francisco, CA

                      Kappou Gomi
                      5524 Geary Blvd, San Francisco, CA 94121

                      Nombe
                      2491 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                      1. re: sfbing
                        m
                        ML8000 Apr 6, 2010 01:33 PM

                        MB's palette is limited.Ethnic is generally out and if the place doesn't have a full bar, cute waiters, the slab of meat option and a twist, he won't give it a high review. I look at the places on the Top 100 but only skim the review.

                        1. re: ML8000
                          Ruth Lafler Apr 6, 2010 01:44 PM

                          That pretty much sums up MB's attitude toward ethnic restaurants.

                          For me, I'd take off Bay Wolf and put on Lalime's. Bay Wolf is tired, and Lalime's is rejuvenated under Morrone. Does he have a vendetta against Morrone and/or the Krikorians? He snubbed Lalime's and dropped both Fonda and Sea Salt off the list.

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                          Sea Salt
                          2512 San Pablo Avenue, Berkeley, CA 94702

                          Bay Wolf Restaurant
                          3853 Piedmont Avenue, Oakland, CA 94611

                          Lalime's
                          1329 Gilman, Berkeley, CA 94706

                          1. re: Ruth Lafler
                            Melanie Wong Apr 6, 2010 02:21 PM

                            I overheard a conversation yesterday with an employee talking about Fonda and Sea Salt being dropped. He said they're doing fine as neighborhood restaurants and while it may be a pride thing for the owners, not being on the list amounts to "losing six people from San Francisco who are willing to cross the bridge" to eat at either place.

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                            Sea Salt
                            2512 San Pablo Avenue, Berkeley, CA 94702

                      2. re: Melanie Wong
                        bbulkow Apr 6, 2010 02:59 PM

                        MB's criteria is whether the restaurant is worth a drive from san francisco, as pointed out in his blog. Not whether it's worth a 50 mile drive.

                        Thus, a small ethnic restaurant in san jose has to be spectacular, in SF simply has to be a good value. He's pretty clear on that.

                        1. re: bbulkow
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                          sfbing Apr 6, 2010 05:28 PM

                          There are a dearth of small non-American/European ethnic restaurants either in or out of sf on that list. The ones that do make it (Slanted Door, Yank Sing, Nombe) are neither small or good value.

                          Plus, there is an excess of pizza places.

                          Two I think should be out: Betelnut and Park Chow.

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                          Park Chow
                          1238 9th Ave, San Francisco, CA 94122

                          Betelnut
                          2030 Union Street, San Francisco, CA 94123

                          Yank Sing
                          49 Stevenson St Ste Stlv, San Francisco, CA 94105

                          Nombe
                          2491 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                          1. re: bbulkow
                            Robert Lauriston Apr 6, 2010 06:22 PM

                            With the exception of Vik's, the 15 (including multiple branches of Amber India and Yoshi's) non-European restaurants on the list are all upscale, and the majority are outside of San Francisco.

                            I don't believe Bauer has never said "worth a drive from San Francisco" in his blog or a review. He did say the Peninsula has "lots of pretty good places, but only a few places worth a drive," but I took that to mean that every place on the list should be worth a drive from wherever a reader happens to live.

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                            Amber India
                            Mission and Fourth, San Francisco, CA

                            1. re: Robert Lauriston
                              bbulkow Apr 8, 2010 11:23 AM

                              I am reacting to the following exchange on his blog, the URL that was posted previously:

                              "
                              [Anonymous Q:] "I was a little disappointed that only 4 restaurants south of SF made your list of the top 100, and all 4 of these are South Peninsula or South Bay. I know SF has so many restaurants to choose from, but it feels like it leaves a big hole for those of us on the Peninsula."

                              [Bauer] It's a mystery, given the disposable income on the Peninsula, that there aren't more standout restaurants. However, this area continually seems to lag behind. There are lots of pretty good places, but only a few places worth a drive.
                              "
                              This implies part of his criteria is "worth a drive". This may be a simple allusion to the Bib Gourmand/Michelin ethos, or a view into his criteria. I agree this isn't a clear statement - but he was also derided for adding both Amber in MV and Mantra and Junoon in PA all in one year. I believe he's dropped the peninsula versions of all of these.

                              These all fit the prototypical upscale place he favors, which is just his style. Fine - I'll keep eating at the cheaper and better without crowds. That's what chowhound is for!

                              1. re: bbulkow
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                                Ridge Apr 8, 2010 04:07 PM

                                The guy is also terrible at judging upscale places. He loved Five in Berkeley but gave a lukewarm review to the much better Commis. He is just not a good reviewer of any restaurants period. As for his “worth the drive” criteria. I look at his list and laugh! I challenge any Chowhounder to drive to Napa and try Neela’s and see if you think it’s “worth the drive”.

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                                Commis
                                3859 Piedmont Avenue, Oakland, CA 94611

                                1. re: Ridge
                                  v
                                  vulber Apr 8, 2010 05:15 PM

                                  He actually gave the same rating to Commis and Five, his review of Commis only seems more harsh because of the near-unananimous praise of Commis by everyone else

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                                  Commis
                                  3859 Piedmont Avenue, Oakland, CA 94611

                                  1. re: vulber
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                                    SteveG Apr 8, 2010 10:07 PM

                                    Commis and Bar Tartine both have chefs who have been Chronicle Rising Star chefs. I tend to think that influences the way he writes the reviews, as he seems to expect more out of them

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                                    Bar Tartine
                                    561 Valencia Street, San Francisco, CA 94110

                                    Commis
                                    3859 Piedmont Avenue, Oakland, CA 94611

                            2. re: bbulkow
                              Ruth Lafler Apr 6, 2010 11:19 PM

                              If that is his one of his criteria, it's a pretty stupid one. The Chron is a regional newspaper, and I bet it has as many subscribers (and probably more readers) who live outside the city than in. If a restaurant needs to be worth driving *from* SF to, then it should be worth driving *to* SF to, and a lot of places on that list aren't.

                              1. re: Ruth Lafler
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                                nocharge Apr 7, 2010 12:49 AM

                                The fact that the Chron is a regional paper with a large readership is probably a good argument in favor of MB doing his job right in focusing on restaurants with a somewhat broad appeal. What's the point of even reviewing a small, ethnic place unless it's truly exceptional? The locals are going to know about it anyway and few people are going to drive a long way to a neighborhood place unless it's really outstanding. So from that perspective, you would assume that a lot of Chron readers would be interested in where to go when you are going to go outside your local hood, spend a bunch of money and possibly drive a bit. In other words, if the Chron reviews and top 100 list have a bit of a bias towards major and expensive restaurants, it may just be because that's what the average subscriber is interested in reading about.

                                That said, I think MB's top 100 list is a bit of a fool's errand, but I find myself in agreement (within half a star) of the individual reviews at least 90 percent of the time.

                                1. re: nocharge
                                  Ruth Lafler Apr 7, 2010 09:39 AM

                                  What I was trying to say is that there's no justification for the rationale that a restaurant that you wouldn't list if it were in Oakland (or Belmont, or San Jose) could be listed if it's in San Francisco. If the criterion is "would you drive to it" then that criterion should be applied to all restaurants, not just those outside of San Francisco.

                                  1. re: Ruth Lafler
                                    Ruth Lafler Apr 8, 2010 04:21 PM

                                    Or to put it even more succinctly, the criterion shouldn't be "would you drive to it from Michael Bauer's house" since most of Michael Bauer's readers don't live in his neighborhood!

                          2. re: BernalKC
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                            vulber Apr 6, 2010 09:16 AM

                            It's interesting to note that while a totally different type of restaurant, Jai Yun got similar ratings from Bauer (high food, very low ambience), and was dropped two years ago, but is probably more deserving of the top 100 than Nombe.

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                            Jai Yun
                            680 Clay St, San Francisco, CA 94111

                            Nombe
                            2491 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                            1. re: BernalKC
                              Morton the Mousse Apr 13, 2010 08:23 PM

                              I thought Nombe was great. Went with a group and ordered about 20 dishes. Food ranged from good to excellent - not a single clunker (though we did get some good recs from the server). I'm not super familiar with the Bay Area izakaya scene, but have had excellent izakaya in NY (Totto) and Las Vegas (Raku). Nombe was up there with Totto, though not as good as Raku (but Raku was the best meal of 2009).

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                              Nombe
                              2491 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                            2. v
                              vulber Apr 5, 2010 11:23 AM

                              Very surprised Bar Tartine didn't make it given his glowing review. Had a phenomenal meal there yesterday.

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                              Bar Tartine
                              561 Valencia Street, San Francisco, CA 94110

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                              1. re: vulber
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                                Ridge Apr 5, 2010 08:31 PM

                                I disagree with Bauer so much that I almost don’t feel like commenting but Neela’s is completely mediocre. Adjanta in Berkeley deserves to be on the list.

                                1. re: Ridge
                                  maria lorraine Apr 7, 2010 06:28 PM

                                  I also couldn't believe Neela's made the list.

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                                vis Apr 5, 2010 09:52 AM

                                no new stuff added in the Peninsula or South Bay it seems. Is there really a dearth of decent offerings or should I just chalk it up to little attention from the Chronicle reviewers? There's a new spot in PA from the previous chef at Chez TJ and i hear some good things about Los Gatos restaurants. Oh well...

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                                Chez TJ
                                938 Villa Street, Mountain View, CA 94041

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                                1. re: vis
                                  Robert Lauriston Apr 5, 2010 10:21 AM

                                  Bauer blogged about the Peninsula / South Bay issue two years ago:

                                  "It's a mystery, given the disposable income on the Peninsula, that there aren't more standout restaurants. However, this area continually seems to lag behind. There are lots of pretty good places, but only a few places worth a drive."

                                  http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/m...

                                  I presume he means that all of the restaurants on the Top 100 list are worth a drive.

                                  1. re: Robert Lauriston
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                                    Foodnut8 Apr 5, 2010 12:07 PM

                                    IMHO Here are some Peninsula restaurants that should've made the cut

                                    Alexander's steakhouse, Cupertino

                                    Sake Sushi, Burlingame

                                    Village Pub, Woodside

                                    Asian Pearl, Millbrae

                                    Bistro Elan, Palo Alto

                                    Bauer also missed The House in SF.

                                    What's up with Tipsy pig? Clearly he had a few too many there,,

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                                    Bistro Elan
                                    448 S California Ave, Palo Alto, CA 94306

                                    Asian Pearl
                                    3288 Pierce St, Richmond, CA 94804

                                    Village Pub
                                    2967 Woodside Rd., Woodside, CA 94062

                                    1. re: Foodnut8
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                                      vulber Apr 5, 2010 02:23 PM

                                      Any time Bauer has a dish which he characterizies as "the best he's ever had", he goes crazy.

                                      He said that of the mac and cheese at the Tipsy Pig. The only problem is that mac and cheese is easy to make. Plus, my mac and cheese is better than the one at Tipsy Pig. As is the mac and cheese at Limon, or even Solstice.

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                                      Limon Restaurant
                                      524 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                                      Tipsy Pig
                                      2231 Chestnut Street, San Francisco, CA 94123

                                      1. re: Foodnut8
                                        Shane Greenwood Apr 8, 2010 08:47 AM

                                        Joy Restaurant in Foster City
                                        Refuge in San Carlos
                                        Martin's West in RWC

                                        All "worth a drive" and probably more so than driving to some of the SF recos.

                                  2. c
                                    Cuppies Apr 4, 2010 06:11 PM

                                    Where can I find the list and reviews? Can I access online? I don't see it on sfgate.com. Help! I am so not wanting to go get a paper in this weather. Most curious about Ame and Yoshi's and what was said/menu highlights. thanks!

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                                    1. re: Cuppies
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                                      nocharge Apr 4, 2010 06:42 PM

                                      It's a "print edition exclusive" so it will probably be unavailable online for another day or two. Hopefully, it will be on sfgate by Tuesday.

                                      1. re: nocharge
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                                        nocharge Apr 4, 2010 07:22 PM

                                        Actually, you can access the information online now using the Chronicle's e-edition, but you have to pay for it.

                                        1. re: nocharge
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                                          skwid Apr 5, 2010 08:51 AM

                                          Bauer said in his blog that the top 100 list will be online Tuesday.

                                          1. re: nocharge
                                            BernalKC Apr 5, 2010 09:22 AM

                                            I've noticed recently that a lot of print articles get embargoed from sfgate.com for some period of time. Anyone know what their policy is about publishing print content on the web?

                                            1. re: BernalKC
                                              Robert Lauriston Apr 5, 2010 09:24 AM

                                              I think everything shows up on the Web within a day or two. They're just trying to give people more reason to pay for the print edition.

                                              1. re: BernalKC
                                                bbulkow Apr 5, 2010 09:26 AM

                                                Their policy is case-by-case. In general, you'll find breaking news isn't embargoed (no point), think peices and reviews are.

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                                            david kaplan Apr 4, 2010 05:30 PM

                                            I'd drop Limon. After two recent meals, the only memorable bite was the bacon/cabbage/mushroom bed under the pork chop, which used to be perfectly cooked in years past but was overcooked on these recent visits. The deep-fried snapper chunks are heavy and bland, and other dishes I've tasted were competent yet uninspiring. I'd much rather eat for half the price at Mi Lindo Peru; can't comment on other local Peruvian places in town.

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                                            Mi Lindo Peru Restaurant
                                            3226 Mission St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                                            Limon Restaurant
                                            524 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

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                                            1. re: david kaplan
                                              farmersdaughter Apr 5, 2010 10:36 AM

                                              I agree with you. Just ate at Limon last week and everything was fine, but just heavy and less inspired. I think the ceviches at La Mar are superior - and they have a full bar and outdoor seating.

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                                              Limon Restaurant
                                              524 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                                              1. re: david kaplan
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                                                roster Apr 8, 2010 11:35 AM

                                                I second and third that comment.

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                                                  vulber Apr 8, 2010 05:13 PM

                                                  It seems like I'm in the minority, and I never ate at Limon before the fire, but it definitely ranks as one of my best meals of 2009. Every dish we ordered (quite a few) was superb and complex.

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                                                  Limon Restaurant
                                                  524 Valencia St, San Francisco, CA 94110

                                              2. lexdevil Apr 4, 2010 02:41 PM

                                                I'm still baffled by last year's dropping of Oliveto, though I did read the related review. It's neither flashy nor new, but it is as good as ever. I've also found that the service has, of late, finally caught up with the food. This used to be my one concern when choosing Oliveto for a special occasion.

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                                                Oliveto Cafe
                                                5655 College Ave., Oakland, CA 94618

                                                1. daveena Apr 4, 2010 02:10 PM

                                                  Good grief, is Greens *still* on the list?

                                                  The most obvious omission for me is Commis - not a surprise, though, given how badly Bauer slammed it in his review. I guess they'll have to console themselves with their Michelin star.

                                                  I think Pican deserves a spot too, but they didn't get a very good review from him either.

                                                  I'm surprised at the number of new restaurants I've never heard of - between here and Eater, I thought I was somewhat on top of things, but maybe I've become so Oakland-centric, West Bay openings just aren't on my radar anymore.

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                                                  Pican Restaurant
                                                  2295 Broadway, Oakland, CA 94612

                                                  Commis
                                                  3859 Piedmont Avenue, Oakland, CA 94611

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                                                  1. re: daveena
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                                                    vulber Apr 5, 2010 02:27 PM

                                                    He says he dropped Ubuntu because he hasn't had time to visit with the new chef taking over, but I think that's just him being lazy and finding an excuse to cut another restaurant. I haven't been since Fox left, but I have a hard time believing that Greens is now better than Ubuntu.

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                                                    Ubuntu Restaurant & Yoga Studio
                                                    1140 Main Street, Napa, CA 94558

                                                    1. re: daveena
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                                                      arlenemae Apr 6, 2010 02:44 PM

                                                      Agree that Commis was the biggest omission. I think it should be on the list instead of Bay Wolf next door. I've been to both restaurants and Commis has much more creative and exciting cuisine, while Bay Wolf is just your typical upscale restaurant.

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                                                      Bay Wolf Restaurant
                                                      3853 Piedmont Avenue, Oakland, CA 94611

                                                      Commis
                                                      3859 Piedmont Avenue, Oakland, CA 94611

                                                    2. mariacarmen Apr 3, 2010 11:35 PM

                                                      right off the bat? Flour + Water.

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                                                      1. re: mariacarmen
                                                        Euonymous Apr 5, 2010 03:24 PM

                                                        Flour+Water is on the 2010 list as a new restaurant. Clearly the OP didn't include all of the restaurants that made the cut in his post.

                                                        As of 3:20 this afternoon (Tuesday), the list still hadn't made it online, but I'm hoping it will soon so I can throw away - er - recycle this paper copy.

                                                        1. re: Euonymous
                                                          mariacarmen Apr 5, 2010 11:36 PM

                                                          Op asked what would we add or subtract. i wasn't clear, but i meant subtract F+W from the list. not a fan. doesn't hold up to hype at all, to me.

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                                                            skwid Apr 6, 2010 08:45 AM

                                                            The list is now available online to everyone:

                                                            http://www.sfgate.com/food/top100/2010/

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