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After all the delays in its opening, Stoddard's has presumably opened. But the last words I could find on this board were posted around the time of the opening, two months ago. Has anyone actually been lately? I am curious.

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  1. it has not officially opened yet, although they keep saying "next week" or "in two weeks" (and have been doing so for months now)

    1. I was not open when I walked by a couple of nights ago. It may never open.

      http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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      1. re: MC Slim JB

        I walked by last Weds afternoon and there was plenty of Construction going on. Hopefully the fully open soon. I know there have been at least one soft event, but that seems a while ago.

        1. re: Smokee

          Did they have scaffolding up so that they could fix the old scaffolding? (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)

          1. re: hiddenboston

            I think there was scaffolding? I'm positive I saw two table saws working.

            1. re: Smokee

              Were the table saws cutting lemons and limes? If not, sounds like it will still be a little bit.

              1. re: hckybg

                They did friends and family last weekend and are opening this weekend.

              2. re: Smokee

                I saw the table saws on the sidewalk too..maybe 2 weeks ago? No lemons or limes.:)I figured they were days away; but obviously not. Really did look like "finish work." Does look nice, through the doorway..:)

                1. re: Smokee

                  I think I saw one of the tables saws accidentally cut a hole in time creating an endless loop of the pre-opening phase.

                  1. re: nsenada

                    winner!

                    1. re: nsenada

                      shoot, you caught me..:)

            2. the bar (with a limited bar menu) was open last night, but all the tabs were being handwritten (19th century style, in keeping with their decor) good hefty juicy burger tho pricey ~ $16. fries ordinary. 1 cask ale (a 21 IPA) ~ $5. very cool interior (still some work pending). waiting for the full menu (and full cask list, and billing systems) to come on line...

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              1. re: barleywino

                It sure would be nice to have a place with a great beer menu in the downtown area.

              2. My husband went with some friends on Saturday night -- April 3rd. Didn't ask about food, but enjoyed some beers and liked it a lot. So its at least partially open.

                1. Via a friend who works nearby and stopped in: definitely open, slowly expanding the menu, waiting for their PoS system to go live, so operating on manual tickets in the short term.

                  http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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                  1. re: MC Slim JB

                    You can bet I am not going to spend $25 on a burger and a beer. Sheesh.

                    1. re: MC Slim JB

                      We stopped in tonight for a beer/wine. Our bartender,Dutch, gave us a great overview of the beer choices. I'm not a beer expert and appreciated the guidance.

                      Beautiful restoration.

                      Ipso, the burger (didn't have) is $15 and someone would have a tough time with a $25 budget for a burger and a beer..not plural

                      1. re: 9lives

                        a burger at silvertone is $8.

                        1. re: hotoynoodle

                          But you can't get your shoes shined at Slivertone. :-b

                          1. re: hiddenboston

                            I was wearing boat shoes..wouldn't take well to a shine..:)

                            BTW, there is no secret handshake to get in. Ms 9 and I were just walking down the street and a guy outside asked if we knew about a new bar that was opening. Come on in.

                            I guess they will have an official opening date; but for all purposes, they're open. I sit on a barstool. Have a drink and pay when I'm finished. That, to me is open...quite generous with "tastes" of different beers; including a "cask aged?" something.

                            Can't comment on the food because we didn't eat but menu is a few steps above pub food, veal cheeks,steak tartare, house made charcuterie(if it's still allowed) Kurubota pork, rabbit, Island Creek oysters...seems lke a more ambitious menu than Silvertones.

                            Downstairs private club is not yet ready. It is NOT the old Yvonnes, behind Locke Ober, as i originally thought.

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                            Silvertone
                            69 Bromfield St, Boston, MA 02108

                            1. re: hiddenboston

                              shoe shines are a guy thing anyway, lol.

                              i keep scratching my head though at when $15 became the acceptable price point for a burger at places promoting themselves as "lower-priced", like post 390 and woodward at the ames. that's what you'd pay at abe's or morton's, for an aged prime beef burger, in a fine dining joint.

                              $15 for a burger, $12-15 for a cocktail. with tax and tip that's hovering at $40.

                              do i sound like an old fogey? cuz if i do, i'll tell you about having to walk uphill both ways, in the snow, to kindergarten. ;)

                              1. re: hotoynoodle

                                I was in a bit of a debate w/ a friend recently about how a burger somewhere or other (forget where) was or was not super overpriced, being in the 12-13 dollar range. I pointed out that even at a lot of average bars (druid, peoples republik, that sort of place) the burgers are floating around at 9-10 bucks and the bigger fast food burgers are 6-7 bucks these days. In his mind though, $10 is simply too much for a burger, no matter what. I pointed out that if the trend continues, he'll have to cease eating burgers at some point in the future.

                                1. re: jgg13

                                  Those kind of arbitrary barriers always baffle me. Obviously, some expensive places are pushing reasonableness, but there are bad values at every price point. I think it's eminently possible to justify the cost of a burger at $5, $10, $15, $20 and $25 dollars. I haven't had the opportunity to try many burgers more expensive than that.

                                  http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                  1. re: MC Slim JB

                                    I would've laughed I'd anyone told me I'd spend $18 on a burger and fries, but I actually think Craigie may be losing money on the deal, given what goes into making one.

                                    1. re: MC Slim JB

                                      so for 2 (!) drinks and a burger, my check would be close to the check average at a place like hammersley's or erbaluce. granted, i generally spend more than that at those places, but $65 or $75 for dinner ceases to be a "casual" night out for me.

                                      this is reminding me of the $25 pizza at mistral. i simply cannot justify it for myself.

                                      1. re: hotoynoodle

                                        I just walked by Max and Dylan's, just to price the burger..$9. Of course it doesn't have the fancy description of Stoddard's prime chuck and short rib. I'd like to try the Craigie Burger but I really haven't bought into the high end burger and rarely eat any burgers out.

                                        I guess I'm just spoiled as a DIY..1/2 lb of fresh ground beef from Sulmona, good bun, good bacon, sharp Cheddar and some onions and I'm a happy guy. When I go out,I prefer to order something I can't make so easily at home.

                                      2. re: MC Slim JB

                                        That was the gist of my argument - that you had to compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges, and that the overall price point has been rising in general. One might not like that the price points have gone up, but saying that a burger shouldn't be more than $5 nowadays is leading you to McDs.

                                        I think the argumnet started with UBurger by the way, but it touched on places like the druid, craigie, 4 burgers, green st, etc (ok, we're both cantabrigians)

                                        1. re: jgg13

                                          If it's a very solid burger, I don't mind paying up to $15 or so for it in a nice setting. I had dinner at Five Guys recently and it was $11 for a burger, soda and fries so $15 for a burger and fries at a sit down restaurant doesn't seem terribly out of line to me assuming the quality is above average.

                                          1. re: Gordough

                                            ok, apples to apples to apples: stoddard's, woodward and post all hype themselves as "neighborhoody places where you can eat a few times a week". their burgers are all priced the same as those at abe's and morton's -- fine dining joints with white linen and $100+ pp check average.

                                            1. re: hotoynoodle

                                              Yeah, I won't get into if these spots are neighborhoody/few times a week places, that's going to vary from person to person. I wish I could drop $50 on food & a few drinks multiple times a week, personally :)

                                              I guess for me the greater issue is the notion of "no X is worth more than Y!", in this case, "no burger is worth paying more than $10 for!" as my friend said. A similar example recently, I was describing East By Northeast to a friend and they said that no way were they going to pay $50-60 for dumplings and some drinks. I hear that a lot of times when my non-craft beer aware friends see the prices for high end craft beer, "no beer is worth $20!" ... etc etc

                                              1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                The neighborhood around Stoddard's is pretty much luxury condos now so I guess dropping what seems to me like ridicululous prices for burgers and beer is the "norm" for the clientele that they are looking to attract. I guess a similar comparison can be made about Post 390 and Woodward. I guess my idea of a neighborhood place and theirs is much different.

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                                                Post 390
                                                406 Stuart Street, Boston, MA 02116

                                                1. re: hotoynoodle

                                                  Can you even order burgers at Abe's and Mortons for dinner? If not, we are, in fact, not comparing apples to apples. For some reason I thought the burgers at these and other nicer places are only on the lunch/brunch menus.

                                                  1. re: Gordough

                                                    The burger is only available at lunch at Abe & Louie's and Morton's, but I believe the latter has sliders on the bar menu day and night.

                                                    http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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                                                    Abe & Louie's
                                                    793 Boylston St, Boston, MA 02116

                                                    1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                      burgers are not "on" either dinner menu, but they will make whatever you want, pretty much any time of day, as long as it is in-house.

                                            2. re: MC Slim JB

                                              I recently had the $32 burger at Daniel Bouloud's db Bistro Moderne in NYC, and it was NOT $14 better that the Craigie burger. The schtick is that it's filled with foie gras, shredded braised short rib meat and black truffle (which must be the reason for the price). You got the creamyness of the foie gras, and the shortrib flavor, but it was completely lacking in truffle flavor.

                                              I'll take Craigie's burger over that one any day of the week.

                                              1. re: kimfair1

                                                i would put Stoddards burger in the "destination burger" category if the fries were better...something like the fries at, say, Kingston Station...and maybe replace the bun with something like the French round roll at Sam LaGrassa's

                                                1. re: barleywino

                                                  Funny, I stopped in again tonight and the Stoddards burger has dropped to $13..with fries. It looked awfully good. Maybe they're trying to keep that burger and beer under $25. Fries looked like the real thing...not the frozen variety.

                                                  Fondue app was very tasty.

                                                  Pricewise, for the neighborhood..it puts them less than the $20 burger at Jerne(Ritz) and above the $9 Max & Dylans. Other options nearby are Remington's or Intermission at $10 ish

                                                  I think Stoddard's is trying to find their niche..$13 burgers or mid to hi $20 entrees. They're not striving to be Craigie but they're aiming higher than M&D.

                                                  Great staff and a beautiful room.

                                                  BTW, these restaurants are not only targeting the nearby residents but the rejuvenation of the Washington St theaters has brought a lot of new people to the area..and that can only be a good thing for the dining scene.

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                                                  Max & Dylan's
                                                  15 West St, Boston, MA 02111

                                                  1. re: 9lives

                                                    Glad to hear the overinflated burger price has dropped, but I guess that means that I took one for the team (was charged $23 for the burger and beer, before tip)... they owe me one...

                                                    1. re: barleywino

                                                      BW, You have to go back soon. They've been very good about letting people sample the different beers, hic..:)

                                2. Two dishes not based on meat on the menu, both contain meat as an ingredient.

                                  I enjoy meat but my lovely wife does not, should people that don’t eat meat and their dining companions simply eat elsewhere?

                                  Yes, I’m sure that they’d omit ingredients from the dishes, but it’d be nice if the chef had the confidence to design dishes without meat that stand on their own.

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                                  1. re: Carty

                                    Yes, eat elsewhere. It's a shame but what can you do.

                                  2. Has anyone tried the funky classic cocktails? A flip or a fizz perhaps?

                                    1. I was there last night and also noticed that the burger price had dropped to $13. I only had the fondue ($10), but it was quite tasty! The space is nice, although I fear it will get full very quickly.

                                      Their cask ale was Gritty McDuff's IPA (the menu says something different), which I wasn't overly impressed with. It was also $10, which may or may not be high for a cask ale, I don't have a ton of experience with them. Beer prices aren't listed, which is something I hope they will do once their full menu is out. Overall, I thought the beer list wasn't quite as exciting as I had expected. But it's still the best in the area by far (not that that is hard to accomplish).

                                      The bartenders were all nice guys, friendly. One of them made me a pretty good Toronto, which was encouraging.

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                                      1. re: chowdahound

                                        Wow.
                                        $10 is very high for a New England IPA...cask or not.

                                        1. re: rknrll

                                          I agree. $6.00 seems a bit closer to reality.

                                        2. re: chowdahound

                                          Holy cow. Yeah, that price is completely off-base.

                                          1. re: celeriac

                                            I just wish they had put the prices on the menu, that's the thing that bothers me the most.

                                            They did give my two friends and I a free shot of Fernet though! So it evened out a bit.

                                            1. re: chowdahound

                                              Went in for a round last night. I like it in its present form and imagine it will improve after being officially open for a bit.

                                              Prices for beers seem to be about $1 more than you'd expect to pay on average. For instance, May flower IPA was $7 and PBR was $4, while those usually seem to be about $6 and $3 typically.

                                              They had 20 beers on tap, 30ish in bottles and one cask (unfortunately it was Munich Dark, my least favorite Harpoon). The beer list was fairly standard. I would consider myself a novice beer geek and I've already had most of the beers they have. Its certainly not like Lord Hobo where I don't even know many of the beers. I look forward to when they have all 4 cask lines going.

                                              The limited menu they had didn't appeal much to me as most everything had meat and I don't eat it, so its similar to Lord Hobo in that regard. I'll probably stick to beers and then get something to eat at Silvertone or in Chinatown.

                                              The interior is very nice, but the bar is so deep that its hard to communicate with bartenders.

                                              1. re: Kinopio

                                                That munich dark tasted different (beyond just the cask) than it normally does to me, I really liked it.

                                                1. re: jgg13

                                                  It was being served with rock candy, which may be why it tasted different. I don't think its a bad beer, I'm just a bit tired of it. The last two bars I've went to hoping to order something on cask it was the only option. And its in bars all over town repackaged as their house beer.

                                                  1. re: Kinopio

                                                    Harpoon hasn't brewed a good beer since the days of Todd Mott.

                                                    1. re: Chrispy75

                                                      I beg to differ..A lot of heir 100 barrel series are very good.

                                                      1. re: Chrispy75

                                                        I just tried Harpoon's Oyster Stout as Sel de la Terre, it was a pretty serious beer! I was really surprised!! It was the recommendation of the manager at The Butcher Shop, who was next to me.

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                                                        Sel de la Terre
                                                        1245 Worcester Street, Natick, MA 01760

                                          2. Was hoping to stop in tonight after a stint at the marliave, but saw that it got a mention in the metro. I'm guessing it'll be really crowded tonight and I probably won't get over there for several months (I try not to do crowded places)

                                            1. I got over there last night. It was ... interesting. I'm not sure if I'll like it or dislike it once it settles in, I could see it going either way. Our bartender was pretty knowledgeable and seemed like a good guy. I did have a toronto from another bartender that was fine, although really sweet (I've had rye forward torontos and fernet forward torntos, but never a sweet forward one) ... not my favorite but not terrible either. I had the temple smash which I enjoyed. I liked the look of the beer taps, looks real nice. Wasn't a fan of the music playing, didn't really seem to fit the theme of the decor at all. The servers looked like spiffy hooters girls, all of them were wearing tight little shirts and most of them were rackalicious - not that I am complaining mind you, it just seemed to feed my fears of it becoming another douchey downtown spot. Neither of us ate anything so can't speak to that.

                                              1. I stopped in for a few rounds and the much discussed burger (more on that in a minute)

                                                Andy is the head bartender (formerly of No. 9 Park among others...?) He seems to know what he's doing - made a spot-on sazarac - but my drinks seemed a tiny bit weak for my personal taste but I enjoyed them a lot - DC had a couple of temple smashes, also well liked. "Like a gingery mojito..." makers, bourbon and mint mostly...

                                                Apparently, they are still in their "soft" open period, with a full food and bar menu coming next week - if their cocktail menu is going to be anything like the ambitious list of flips, fizzes, slings, etc. that we saw back in December, they are going to need all of their people to be as skilled as the head guy - otherwise, it may turn into a beer bar, which would unfortunate as far as I'm concerned - I am all in on the vintagey cocktails.

                                                But that gorgeous bar with the 20 evenly spaced taps running the length of it is striking and so it sort of cries out for a focus on the beer - I had a good crisp pilsner with my burger - also sampled a dark brown ale that people who are really into beer will probably like - So is it a beer bar? is it about the cocktails? can it do both? I guess only time will tell.

                                                I really, really liked the space - the bar is very elegant - pressed tin ceiling above the bar - wrought iron street lamps with globe lights cast a nice glow - a couple of balconies with seats...

                                                After everyone here discussed the burger, I had to try it - it was cooked to a proper medium rare - bun was a buttered/toasted brioche - housemade onion rings - a black pepper mayo for dipping - all in all, the $13 was a reasonable price, all things considered - not really sure what the whole debate was about, but it was a good burger imho.

                                                Not sure how long it will last, but you can also get a $5 shoe shine at the end of the bar - I wondered if the smell of shoe polish would really tick off people eating around it - but I happen to like the smell of shoe polish...

                                                1. who is the chef of stoddard??

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                                                  1. re: meat inspector

                                                    Once upon a time, it was supposed to be Mark Cina, the chef at Ivy (from the same owners) across the street. I don't know if he actually made that move, if he's helming both kitchens, or what.

                                                    http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                                                    1. re: MC Slim JB

                                                      hey thank you! I will check into it!