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Mar 26, 2010 11:34 PM

Anyone ever felt jilted by Chowhound?


I'm putting up a public protest for Chowhound itself...and we will see how long this post lasts before it mysteriously ends up in the scrap heap like many of our posts that were in some gray area or another that had someone yank it.

I mean no harm to the many ardent admirers of Chowhound who are unpaid VOLUNTEERS...yes, that's right, folks like us who are invited, by their dedication, to moderate things...and uphold CBS's profitability.

If it must, I would like this post to last 702 coments like the "Salt Wars" discussion, aka "What is one tip that you learned about cooking that was simple but made a huge difference?"

And what I would like to hear is, what don't you like about Chowhound?

  1. Sometimes it seems to me that the positive comments are more likely to be deleted than the snarkier ones. When I was a noob (still am) I was stung and confused by being told that there was a similar thread that was a year old. Once, I think it was on site talk, I asked if the moderators and some of my fellow chowhounds had ever taken the Myers Briggs Type Indicator test. Someone responded that they were annoyed by the Myers Briggs Type Indicator. I never felt so dismissed on a forum. I didn't post for months after that.

    13 Replies
    1. re: givemecarbs

      givemecarbs, I think a lot of people are annoyed by Myers Briggs. But that was no reason to feel dismissed! Please keep posting in the face of minor disagreements!!!

      1. re: Sam Fujisaka

        Thanks Sam! That book about the test, Gifts Differing, has transformed my life and I was just curious as to whether more chowhounds were close in personality type to me. I was also wondering if the moderators tended to fall under certain categories. My father raised me to get along well with all people and when I couldn't meet his expectations I felt pretty down on myself. Then I read Gifts and I feel so much better. I think it will take me a lifetime to fully understand her book. The test was devised by a mother daughter team and the daughter perservered despite much resistance.

        1. re: givemecarbs

          I find the Myers-Briggs fascinating! (I'm an INFJ) But I can totally relate to being turned off by the weird "you don't speak in exactly the right lingo so you don't really belong here" vibe some people will give off. A lot of people are just territorial and it seeps into everything they do -- how they drive, how they stand in an elevator, and how they write on these boards. I say -- if you love chow so it is a priority for you (to whatever degree *you* think is significant) -- you belong here!

          1. re: khh1138

            I could talk Myers-Briggs all day myself (INTJ), but it's not a perfect model, and some people just hate being categorized. I can understand where they're coming from ... I've participated in a couple M-B threads on another forum, and people there were very interested in talking about it. It seemed that Ns were very disproportionately represented there ... some of the rarest types IRL were some of the most commonly reported.

            1. re: foiegras

              I think an overwhelming number come to CH much more interested in discussing Meyer-Lemons, and would prefer to leave the other Myer (B's) discussion for a more appropriate site.

              1. re: Servorg

                Excellent way to explain it, S. Interesting to some but not appropriate here.

                1. re: Servorg

                  Well, it's interesting ... the other forum where people were very interested has a definite focus, and nothing to do with Myers-Briggs, but like this forum, it has areas for more general discussions. One difference is that the average age on the other forum is way less than here ... I think that probably makes a difference in people being up for discussion of anything.

                  1. re: foiegras

                    I have no desire to be part of a board that discusses "anything." NAF gets too off-topic plenty of times. Discussing personality types? Maybe around your own dining table. Here on CH we all peacefully or not so peacefully coexist.

                    1. re: foiegras

                      We all tend to think that our own little digressions aren't going to cause any problems for site usability. But when you add all those posters up and then factor in those who chime in we get so much "noise" that the "signal" gets lost. And as someone once sang, "You don't know what you got till it's gone"

                      1. re: foiegras

                        au contraire mon jeune foie. Us old fogies are willing to discuss everything as well, but the big difference is us almost social security folks were taught boundaries. MB may be a good topic of conversation over a few brewskies and burgers, but CH was designed to speak of the latter. And jfood is an INCT.

                        1. re: jfood

                          No "almost" for me. First check was last August and I thank y'all.

                          We used MB in a corporate, team building setting and saw its use. Also helped me understand that I will never understand my husband :) But, yes, fellow fogey, there are other venues but not here. I'm surprised anyone's surprised.

                          1. re: jfood

                            Stop The Presses! An impostor who slipped into the first person has hijacked jfood's identity.

              2. re: givemecarbs

                So some jerk displayed a dismissive attitude. Shrugging off this stuff is part of being a self-reliant person.

              3. 1. A few years ago the low, slow, indirect BBQ people got pretty hostile to impure ways.

                2. After pointing out the difference between sushi and sashimi, abd that sushi need not have fish, I was told to get over it and that Americans call it all "sushi" and expect fish.

                3. Once I made a comment on either the LA or NY board; and some certified member asked WTF I was doing commenting there.

                4. Then, of course, I get irritated when Hounds read a wiki and google a couple of things and think that they're doing "scientific" "research".

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                1. re: Sam Fujisaka

                  "3. Once I made a comment on either the LA or NY board; and some certified member asked WTF I was doing commenting there."

                  Sam, you are always welcome on our Southern Cali board! ;-D>

                  1. re: Sam Fujisaka

                    Sam My Man

                    You are welcome at Tri-State, Southern New England or in jfood's backyard. Mid- to late summer the veggie garden will be in full bloom (he hopes, 200+ plants in process) and you can eat, swim and post to your delight.

                    The only scientific research needed to be performed is a correlation analysis between food, fun and laughter.


                  2. >>And what I would like to hear is, what don't you like about Chowhound?

                    An apparent reduction in the % of posts about delicious food.

                    An apparent over-reliance on media sources (including Chowhound) to choose where to eat (rather than independent and critical explorations to sniff out the good stuff).

                    As far as possible, it should be directly about finding delicious food. There's still room for improvement.

                    1. To paraphrase Winston Churchill:

                      "“I find that Chowhound is the worst form of food talk site - except all the others that have been tried.”"

                      1. What an strange thread to stumble upon after months of not even lurking here anymore.
                        Someone asked for recommended brand names of Chinese condiments.. I directed him to a site that gave a picture of the stuff, the Chinese name, an audio track that gave the pronounciation and recommended brands. Everything the guy could want......It was deleted. It was then I realized that the mods were on a power trip and I have never been back until today.

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                        1. re: billieboy

                          Did you get an email or other notification that your post had been deleted for particular reason? There could be a number of other the reasons why your post disappeared.

                          - it wasn't fully submitted (some times I hit that 'attach photo' button thinking I was submitting the post)
                          - the data base might have down, or corrupted, or overloaded
                          - some post higher in the thread was deleted because of inappropriate content, and took your's with it.
                          - the thread might have been moved, or lost in the recent reorganization.
                          - someone may have mistakenly thought it was spam.

                          Sometimes it is better to assume things happen by accident than by malicious intent. It is still easy to find a lot of your contributions (a search turned up some 15 pages in 2009).

                          1. re: paulj

                            Agreed. Any time I've emailed the moderators, I've gotten a reply back. I didn't always LIKE their answer, but they did always answer :)

                            1. re: c oliver

                              I've had posts taken down by moderators, and upon reflection, it made perfectly good sense to me. I like how proactive they are in maintaining a mission and a positive tone on these boards.

                                1. re: jfood

                                  Don't be, I don't get a response to everything I've ever sent.

                                  1. re: kattyeyes

                                    I eliminate the middle man (I never send anything asking why and I am never disappointed when I don't get a reply)... ;-D>

                                    1. re: Servorg

                                      yeah usually they start the email chain.

                                      "You have been sent the following email from a Moderator." Uh-oh

                                      then jfood asks for clarification...then radio silence.

                                      sorta shrug, eat some more ice cream, watch American Idol and yawn. doesn't move the BP 1 point, life's too short.


                                      1. re: jfood

                                        This is exactly the treatment I get. I'm alright with them pulling something. As long as they give me a good reason why. Not hide behind the "Suspicious post" argument.


                                        1. re: Davwud

                                          I don't know about the "suspicious post."

                                          1. re: c oliver

                                            even if no explanation, I want them to send me a copy of the post so it doesnt end up in the ether...

                                            1. re: kaysyrahsyrah

                                              I don't think that's a bad idea but the volume of posts might make it diffficult. I rarely get deleted that I don't know why. I can either try to rephrase or just let it go (more often).

                                      2. re: Servorg

                                        Aww, Servorg, you're reminding me of one of my mom's favorite/annoying (fave to her, annoying to me) expressions affixed to her fridge:
                                        "Guaranteed way to get more of what you want out of life:
                                        WANT LESS."

                                        Funny enough, there is a cartoon image of a chef next to these words!

                                        I respectfully must disagree with c oliver and note that jfood, the dog, is quite adorable in his (?) hat and shades. If cuteness factored in, the mods would send me/April Katt flowers. HA HA HA HA! :) I do agree with jfood--life's too short to let any of this move the BP whatsoever. This is about fun and deliciousness. And I thank everyone who shares in that goal for keeping the playground fun and entertaining.

                                          1. re: kattyeyes

                                            Well, you're a GIRL CAT so you might be slightly biased.

                                            But really I don't think the site or the hounds are all that broken. When I first saw this post, I was all excited about posting something. But I "examined my conscience" (12 years parochial school) and honestly couldn't find anything big enough and consistent enough to expound on (and I seem to be abe to expound on almost any and everything). And if I felt that CH and I really and basically couldn't agree, I'd go away and try to find something that suited me. Or just go away. This isn't a "one size fits all" type thing. It mostly works for me and that's just damn good enough :)

                                        1. re: kattyeyes

                                          I've never gotten an email about a pulled post. Which is fine with me, actually.

                                          1. re: mcf

                                            Wow. I'm impressed. Until you've gotten the following intro you really haven't lived :

                                            "You have been sent the following email from a Moderator."

                                            After the first time, you quake at least a teensy bit :)

                                            1. re: c oliver

                                              Now I'm starting to feel jilted. Why don't I get emails telling me how bad I've been? ;-)

                                              1. re: mcf

                                                Clearly you're an underachiever. You don't acquire Gold status without one of those emails. 'Course I'm a "rather ask forgiveness than permission" kinda gal :) Keep up the good work; your day will come.

                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                  It's not as if they haven't found me badass enough to delete numerous posts, just not aggressively non compliant enough to email me, too. I feel kind of neglected.

                                                  1. re: mcf

                                                    It's the same here. I've had lots of posts deleted, but no emails from the mods. Sigh.

                                                    1. re: queencru

                                                      We're under performing in some critical way. It's like being the gum that isn't annoying enough for someone to scrape off their shoe.

                                                2. re: mcf

                                                  if it would make you feel better jfood can forward one or two. :-))

                                                  1. re: jfood

                                                    Awww, I'm touched. But yannow, Badass by Proxy is so subordinate. ;-)

                                                3. re: c oliver

                                                  Agreed...the first time I got one of those, my heart did a little flip-flop. :-) There are times I disagree with the reason for the pull, there are many more other times when I fully agree with it. Sometimes you just hope that a little off-topic will slip through. But because of the conversational tone of these boards, when the OT expands, it usually gets pulled. And I'm OK with that.

                                                  Still, flippety-flop goes the ticker. "OMG, what did I do NOW?" LOL

                                        2. re: paulj

                                          See my response to the post below this -- I pasted in direct quotes from the moderators, which shed some light on the situation.

                                        3. re: billieboy

                                          LOL. Welcome back! It's not a power's a hard job. What drives me crazy is that I found out that the moderator job will continue to be a bunch of calls made on the greyish lines of participation -- and that effort is managed in part by volunteers!

                                          1. re: billieboy

                                            Ohmygod, man, I've been missin' you! Please stick around. I miss your posts. Just stumbled across an old recipe of yours I had saved for making stir-fry sauce. WELCOME BACK, billieboy!

                                            EDIT: And if you're NOT planning to rejoin us, will you please send me an e-mail? My address is in my profile. But I hope you're back to stay.