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NewYorkertoCalif Mar 25, 2010 09:41 PM

Here are my entries for "Old New York" restaurants, patisseries, and bars:

Katz's Deli
Oyster Bar (in Grand Central)
De Robertis
Eisenberg's Sandwich Shop
P.J. Clarke's
Vivolo
Old Homestead
Ecco
Palm (on Second Avenue)
Keen's Chophouse
Wo Hop
Minetta Tavern (haven't been since the renovation)
Patsy's
Sardi's
Barbetta
Gene's
Gino's of Capri
Lexington Candy Shop
Bemelman's Bar at the Carlyle
Cafe Carlyle
Oak Bar at the Plaza
King Cole Bar at the St Regis
McSorley's
Peter Luger
John's
Lanza's
Cafe Edison
White Horse Tavern
Landmark Tavern
Old Town Bar
Manganaro's Grosseria
Marchi's
Donohue's
Fine & Shapiro
Algonquin Hotel

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De Robertis
176 1st Ave, New York, NY 10009

Minetta Tavern
113 MacDougal St, New York, NY 10012

Eisenberg's Sandwich Shop
174 5th Ave, New York, NY 10010

Barbetta
321 West 46th Street, New York, NY 10036

Old Homestead
56 9th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

P.J. Clarke's
44 W 63rd St, New York, NY 10023

Landmark Tavern
626 11th Ave, New York, NY 10036

Cafe Edison
228 W 47th St, New York, NY 10036

White Horse Tavern
567 Hudson St, New York, NY 10014

Lexington Candy Shop
1226 Lexington Ave, New York, NY 10028

Ecco
124 Chambers St, New York, NY 10007

Vivolo
140 E 74th St, New York, NY 10021

McSorley's Old Ale House
15 E 7th St, New York, NY 10003

King Cole Bar
2 E 55th St, New York, NY 10022

Bemelmans Bar
35 E 76th St, New York, NY 10021

Marchi's
251 E 31st St Frnt A, New York, NY 10016

Wo Hop Restaurant
15 Mott St Frnt A, New York, NY 10013

The Cafe Carlyle
35 East 76th St., New York, NY 10021

  1. EM23 Oct 7, 2013 11:24 AM

    The spirit of Paul Castellano suggests Sparks be added .to the list.
    http://gothamist.com/2012/09/13/spark...

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      bronwen Oct 7, 2013 10:45 AM

      Two that are gone, Cafe des Artistes (just saw it in Manhattan Murder Mystery on TV on Saturday!) and Elaine's.

      1. toitoi Oct 7, 2013 08:17 AM

        Café Chambord, the tres-elegant French restaurant at 803 Third Avenue. Opened in 1936, closed in 1963.

        1. Veggo Oct 7, 2013 07:53 AM

          I'm surprised there has been no mention of Lutece, but R.I.P. to it, The Stage Deli, and El Morocco, which was private. Le Cirque has a totally different ambiance than the original. The best singles bars used to be the Oak Room and Maxwell's Plum. For a turbocharged good time, there was Studio 54 and Plato's Retreat, but they were short-lived.

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          1. re: Veggo
            Delucacheesemonger Oct 7, 2013 09:12 AM

            The Stage Deli was my worst meal in Manhattan ever.

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              Veggo Oct 7, 2013 09:13 AM

              You should have had a Monte Cristo. You might have enjoyed the other places I mentioned more.

              1. re: Veggo
                Delucacheesemonger Oct 7, 2013 09:14 AM

                The tuna melt my friend received was still frozen. and that was better than my pastrami.

                1. re: Delucacheesemonger
                  Veggo Oct 7, 2013 09:58 AM

                  That was you friend's fault. If she wanted it thawed she should have said so.

              2. re: Delucacheesemonger
                Motosport Oct 7, 2013 09:18 AM

                Stage and Carnegie delis are way past their prime. If they were not in the prime tourist area of Times Square they would be long gone.

                1. re: Motosport
                  Veggo Oct 7, 2013 09:23 AM

                  The Stage IS gone.

                  1. re: Veggo
                    Motosport Oct 7, 2013 09:53 AM

                    Thought so but there web site is still going strong.
                    Personally, I am waiting for Sarge's to re-open.

                    1. re: Motosport
                      Delucacheesemonger Oct 7, 2013 10:25 AM

                      Best cole slaw on the planet.

              3. re: Veggo
                Phil Ogelos Nov 9, 2013 06:55 AM

                There were a lot of scrumptious things to consume at Plato's Retreat once upon a time, but I can't recall food being in any way among them.

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                  Veggo Nov 9, 2013 06:57 AM

                  !!! Easy to pass on the cold cuts and enjoy the real deal!

                  1. re: Veggo
                    Phil Ogelos Nov 9, 2013 07:01 AM

                    There are more food puns waiting here than you can shake a raw carrot at; best we let it lie!

                    1. re: Phil Ogelos
                      Veggo Nov 9, 2013 07:03 AM

                      Remember the phrase there "towel down"?

                      1. re: Veggo
                        Phil Ogelos Nov 9, 2013 07:04 AM

                        Yes, I do; time for me now to take a powder.

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                jmarya Oct 6, 2013 07:45 PM

                B&H in the East Village--it might be stretching it to consider it a restaurant, but definitely old-school.

                Veselka across the street, I'm pretty sure it's been around since the fifties.

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                1. re: jmarya
                  Motosport Oct 7, 2013 08:42 AM

                  B&H is a treasure. We eat breakfast there often. It is definitely a restaurant!!!

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                    City Kid Oct 7, 2013 12:06 PM

                    But Veselka is not "best" just "old."

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                      Motosport Oct 7, 2013 12:16 PM

                      Veselka is what it is. Not up there with the best but at 3 AM it's pretty darned good!! They have been around since 1954.

                2. toitoi Oct 6, 2013 07:44 PM

                  Closed long ago, but does anyone remember Louise Jr.'s on East 53rd between 2nd and 1st Avenues?

                  Oh, the memories of Louise Jr.s. During the 60s, I ate there at least once a week.

                  No matter how packed the bar was with patrons waiting for a table - Paul (owner/manager?) always gave the two of us a table almost immediately.

                  What a fantastic spread of appetizers that were put in front of us.

                  http://images.stampwants.com/elq14.img

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                  1. re: toitoi
                    erica Nov 9, 2013 07:50 AM

                    Yes, I live in the area and remember Louise, Jr, in the little house.

                    Also in the area, on Second Avenue, was Rocky Lee (Chu Chu Bianco) where Sinatra was rumored to hang out and where the Chinese barman supposedly took bets for the patrons. We used to get pizza there, if I recall correctly.

                    1. re: erica
                      toitoi Nov 9, 2013 07:58 AM

                      We ate at Louise, Jr. often. The antipastos were outstanding, a meal in themselves.

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                    mushroomaffairs Oct 6, 2013 07:14 PM

                    Peacock Alley
                    Orso
                    Bull & Bear
                    Cafe Une Deux Trois
                    Water Club
                    Yaffe

                    There was a pizza place (slice joint) on Ave. A. Near Thom. Sq. Park that I'm pretty sure is still there since my childhood, can't remember the name.......ghetto slice after a night out 100%.

                    1. Delucacheesemonger Oct 6, 2013 08:03 AM

                      How about Pietro's, went there as a kid and still remember their
                      canneloni, went back 10-15 years ago and it was still great.

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                      1. re: Delucacheesemonger
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                        GourmetWednesday Oct 6, 2013 05:33 PM

                        Barney Greengrass?

                      2. Phil Ogelos Oct 5, 2013 07:41 AM

                        Thank you for that courtesy, Calirriviste
                        You may yet be enlisted by Kathryn as the designated left-coast C'Hound archivist [in that perpetual IMDb mode] for late, lamented NYC eateries. No good deed goes unpunished, dontcha'know!

                        As an aside, I found myself in El Quijote the other day and, wow! as a journalist friend of mine once said of the UN Secretariat, "the original air from 1950 is still in here."

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                        1. re: Phil Ogelos
                          michele cindy Oct 5, 2013 11:52 AM

                          El Quijote is always great when you want to time travel.

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                            Up With Olives Oct 6, 2013 02:19 PM

                            Go now to El Q. Who knows what will happen as they buff up that Chelsea Hotel. (sigh)

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                          NewYorkertoCalif Sep 21, 2013 11:50 AM

                          Here's my updated list (alphabetized) - September 2013:

                          Old New York restaurants and bars (stuck in the past)

                          21 Club
                          Barbetta
                          Bridge Café (temporarily closed)
                          Bemelman’s Bar
                          Café Edison
                          Caffe Reggio
                          Chez Napoleon (1960s)
                          De Robertis
                          Donohue's
                          Delmonico’s (new incarnation)
                          Ear Inn
                          Ecco
                          Eisenberg's Sandwich Shop
                          El Quijote
                          El Faro (CLOSED)
                          Fine & Shapiro
                          Gene's
                          Gino's of Capri (CLOSED)
                          Hop Kee
                          Il Vagabondo
                          John's (East Village)
                          Junior's (in Brooklyn)
                          Katz's Deli
                          Keen's Chophouse
                          La Bonbonniere
                          La Grenouille
                          Lanza's
                          Le Veau D'or
                          Landmark Tavern
                          Le Petite Auberge (CLOSED)
                          Lexington Candy Shop
                          Manganaro's Grosseria
                          Marchi's
                          Minetta Tavern (new incarnation)
                          Nom Wah Tea Parlor (new incarnation)
                          Old Homestead
                          Oyster Bar (Grand Central)
                          P.J. Clarke's
                          Palm (on Second Avenue)
                          Patsy's (on West 56th)
                          Pete's Tavern
                          Peter Luger
                          Sardi's
                          Symposium (1969)
                          Vivolo
                          White Horse Tavern
                          Wo Hop

                          Remodeled “Old New York” restaurants and bars

                          Bar at Bull & Bear (Waldorf Astoria)
                          Campbell Apartment
                          Gallagher’s
                          Harry’s
                          King Cole Bar (St Regis)
                          Monkey Bar
                          V&T Pizzeria

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                          1. re: NewYorkertoCalif
                            penthouse pup Oct 5, 2013 12:17 PM

                            I would add Sevilla to the list--dates back to the 1940's when it was originally a seafood restaurant. As "Spanish" restaurant (I know most consider it analogous to Chinese-American), it's been on W.4 Street for more than 40 years.

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                              barberinibee Oct 5, 2013 12:18 PM

                              I would add Toledo and Isle of Capri to the list. Also the Terrace. Via Brasil and Chez Napoleon are moving into that category. Maybe too Le Bonne Soupe and Joe Allen.

                              1. re: NewYorkertoCalif
                                iluvcookies Oct 6, 2013 04:03 PM

                                Just a note that Manganaro's Grosseria is also closed. Hero Boy might be soon to follow.

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                                rrems Apr 23, 2010 06:48 PM

                                La Petie Auberge and Chez Napoleon are both really great classic bistros, still turning out excellent food.

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                                Chez Napoleon
                                365 W 50th St, New York, NY 10019

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                                  lawstud Apr 23, 2010 06:43 PM

                                  El Faro (Greenwich & Horatio) -- Spanish from the 1920s. Murals stained dark yellow/brown from all the smoking.

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                                  El Faro
                                  823 Greenwich St, New York, NY 10014

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                                    ras13 Apr 23, 2010 06:32 PM

                                    Le Veau D'or on east 60th. Can't get more old school -- sublime!

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                                    Le Veau D'or
                                    129 E 60th St Frnt A, New York, NY 10022

                                    1. michele cindy Apr 23, 2010 09:18 AM

                                      My absolute favorite place to go that hasn't changed... El Quijote
                                      on W 23rds St. It's like going back in time 40 years.

                                      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/503262.

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                                      El Quijote
                                      226 W 23rd St, New York, NY 10011

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                                        FLnow Apr 23, 2010 01:49 AM

                                        I have to mention The Symposium on W. 113th St. Delicious Greek food, great atmosphere. I used to go there in the late 60s and went back 2 yrs. ago to find that even the prices hadn't changed much. They cater to the Columbia U crowd.

                                        1. bigjeff Mar 29, 2010 05:01 AM

                                          can't help but suggest Sammy's Roumanian, along with this accompanying thread:
                                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/528363

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                                          Sammy's Roumanian
                                          157 Chrystie St, New York, NY 10002

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                                            filmbomb Mar 27, 2010 04:54 PM

                                            McSorely's

                                            Bridge Cafe

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                                            1. re: filmbomb
                                              financialdistrictresident Oct 5, 2013 10:32 AM

                                              As previously mentioned, Fraunces Tavern.

                                              Thanks for adding Delmonico's (1837). The first fine dining in the U.S.:

                                              http://www.delmonicosrestaurantgroup.com/restaurant/

                                              In the same neighbohood as Bridge Cafe (1794) . . .The Paris since 1873(still closed due to Sandy):

                                              http://theparistavern.com/history.html

                                              Not around to add to the list . . .Carmine's (now closed) used to be open 24 hours in the Fish Market hey day. Sloppy Louie's (sadly, long gone):

                                              http://www.pbase.com/image/120404210

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                                                Sneakeater Oct 5, 2013 11:48 AM

                                                The current Delmonico's has nothing to do with the famous old restaurant. It is not a direct successor, nor even an indirect successor. It opened long after the original Delmonico's closed. It's as if I were to open a restaurant today named "Lutece"; it would have the same name as the famous old Lutece, but would otherwise have no affilation.

                                                I don't think the original Delmonico's (which moved frequently) was ever even located at the current location (by the time it closed long ago, it had moved uptown). But I'm not sure about that.

                                                And yeah, there's been a "Delmonico's" under succeeding unrelated ownerships (but never, as far as I'm aware, the original Delmonico's) at the current location for many years. That's how long ago the original famous Delmonico's closed.

                                                1. re: Sneakeater
                                                  financialdistrictresident Oct 5, 2013 11:50 AM

                                                  Thanks, Sneakeater.

                                                  "The Big Oyster" discusses Delmonico's, etc. I'll have to revisit . . .

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                                                    Sneakeater Oct 5, 2013 12:12 PM

                                                    I did some more checking around, and the original Delmonico's was, in fact, located at the current location (I think it was the third or so successive location they were in) before they moved uptown.

                                                    This Eater piece is very good:

                                                    http://ny.eater.com/archives/2011/06/...

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                                                      financialdistrictresident Oct 6, 2013 07:41 AM

                                                      Awesome.

                                                      Thanks, Sneakeater.

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                                                        Up With Olives Oct 6, 2013 02:17 PM

                                                        Yep, the Delmonico family sold that location in 1919. We did a Delmonico's issue in my Grade "A" Fancy magazine.

                                              2. Wilfrid Mar 27, 2010 12:16 PM

                                                People always forget Flash Inn, some seventy or more years old, on Macombs Place. It's not easy to find either. Not as old as Rao's, but at least they'll give you a table.

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                                                Flash Inn
                                                107 Macombs Pl, New York, NY 10039

                                                1. penthouse pup Mar 27, 2010 10:45 AM

                                                  Sevilla.

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                                                  Sevilla
                                                  62 Charles St, New York, NY 10014

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                                                    MahatmaKanejeeves Mar 27, 2010 07:23 AM

                                                    Sylvia's
                                                    Rudy's Bar
                                                    V & T's

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                                                      uwsister Mar 28, 2010 12:19 AM

                                                      V&T by St. John the Divine? How old is it?

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                                                        MahatmaKanejeeves Mar 28, 2010 08:28 AM

                                                        Yes. It must be well over 50 years old. Students in the 1960s considered it old. Although it may not go back to the era of the robber barons, they don't make them like that anymore.

                                                    2. Phil Ogelos Mar 26, 2010 03:10 PM

                                                      This was a great thread to start, NY>Cal, but I have to say I regret you didn't alphabetise your original list; it'd've made it easier to enhance without repetition.

                                                      1. Phil Ogelos Mar 26, 2010 12:01 PM

                                                        21 Club
                                                        Ear Inn

                                                        [how's that for a chalk & cheese pairing!]

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                                                        1. re: Phil Ogelos
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                                                          Jane A. Mar 26, 2010 05:41 PM

                                                          Gallagher's Steak House - like 21 Club was originally a speakeasy.

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                                                          21 Club
                                                          21 West 52nd Street, New York, NY 10019

                                                          1. re: Jane A.
                                                            Phil Ogelos Mar 26, 2010 05:46 PM

                                                            Oh, and you've reminded me now, Jane,
                                                            about that place on Bedford, the name of which I'm forgotting, an honest-to-goodness speakeasy.
                                                            Wish I were there tonight.

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                                                              small h Mar 26, 2010 06:53 PM

                                                              Chumley's. It's been closed for a while, ever since its chimney collapsed. Here, more information than you could possibly want:

                                                              http://ny.eater.com//tags/chumleys

                                                              1. re: small h
                                                                Phil Ogelos Mar 26, 2010 07:16 PM

                                                                My goodness, that's so sad! What a marvelous place it was.
                                                                Thanks for sharing the news, small h, although I can't say it comforts me.
                                                                In fact, it makes me feel like a tired old bootlegger.


                                                                EDIT: after posting, I visited the ny.eater site. And you were absolutely right: everything I could ever want to know times ten. Thanks, and thanks to you & the link for reminding me why I'm grateful not to be living in the West Village.

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                                                                  small h Mar 26, 2010 07:45 PM

                                                                  Chumley's was a treasure, and hopefully one day will be again. I also mourn the Cedar Tavern, which is gone forever. Alas.

                                                                  http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/01...

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                                                                    Phil Ogelos Mar 27, 2010 04:40 AM

                                                                    With Bradley's just a few doors down: alas squared!
                                                                    I need to read some Dawn Powell today, just to dry my tears.

                                                                    1. re: small h
                                                                      financialdistrictresident Oct 5, 2013 10:36 AM

                                                                      I loved Chumley's . . .
                                                                      remember quietly walking through the courtyard entrance.

                                                                      1. re: financialdistrictresident
                                                                        Phil Ogelos Oct 6, 2013 07:45 AM

                                                                        You're remembering a different place, fdr; Chumley's was accessed through a rowhouse door.

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                                                                          thegforceny Oct 6, 2013 02:42 PM

                                                                          Nope. @financialdistrict... is correct. It had a courtyard too. Just google Chumley's courtyard and you can see pics of it.

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                                                                            Phil Ogelos Oct 7, 2013 07:46 AM

                                                                            My mistake.

                                                                  2. re: small h
                                                                    toitoi Mar 27, 2010 06:42 PM

                                                                    Andy Boyle, who worked for me as stagedoorman, circa early 70s, at the ANTA Theatre, (now August Wilson Theatre) on 52nd Street, used to play the piano, during the speakeasy days, at Chumley's.

                                                                    When Sinatra was in town, and took over Jilly's, which was across the street from the ANTA, Andy was one of a favored few allowed through the locked door when Sinatra was there. Andy’s nickname for him: “Frankie Boy.”

                                                                    I'd get full reports from Andy about the goings on at Jilly's - food fights seemed to be Sinatra's thing.

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                                                              Peter Cherches Mar 26, 2010 11:30 AM

                                                              The Blarney Stone at 3rd & 45th.

                                                              http://petercherches.blogspot.com/200...

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                                                                syrahgirl Mar 26, 2010 12:01 PM

                                                                Loved , loved loved Katz's! Oak Bar @ the Plaza where stayed for 3 nights was also very cool. :)

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                                                                nycfinedining Mar 26, 2010 09:54 AM

                                                                Don't forget La Grenouille! It's been around since 1962... is that old world enough? :)

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                                                                La Grenouille
                                                                3 East 52nd Street, New York, NY 10022

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                                                                  taboo Mar 29, 2010 06:35 AM

                                                                  Went to La Grenouille about 3 weeks ago. Had an AMAZING meal with seamless service.

                                                                  Great place....

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                                                                  La Grenouille
                                                                  3 East 52nd Street, New York, NY 10022

                                                                2. CantStopEating Mar 26, 2010 08:33 AM

                                                                  If you are talking about the 1960's old, Chat n' Chew is your best bet! But if you're going for the American-Revolution-old, you should try Fraunces Tavern. And for the in-betweens, try 21 club.

                                                                  www.inbundles.com

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                                                                  Fraunces Tavern
                                                                  54 Pearl St, New York, NY 10004

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                                                                    MarlaPR Mar 26, 2010 08:40 AM

                                                                    Patsy's on West 56th st., Steve and Eydie told us about it! How old school is that??

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                                                                      Up With Olives Mar 28, 2010 10:03 AM

                                                                      I didn't remember Chat n Chew being there very long. Looked it up on Zagat and confirmed est. "Jan. 1994",

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                                                                        billyboy Apr 23, 2010 12:07 PM

                                                                        I think that Fraunces Tavern stopped serving food recently and is now just a bar.

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                                                                        Fraunces Tavern
                                                                        54 Pearl Street, New York, NY 10004

                                                                        1. re: billyboy
                                                                          financialdistrictresident Oct 5, 2013 10:35 AM

                                                                          Not sure what was happening when billyboy posted back in 2010.

                                                                          Restaurant, bar and museum still open.

                                                                        2. re: CantStopEating
                                                                          financialdistrictresident Oct 5, 2013 10:37 AM

                                                                          CantStopEating, I'm thinking old New York is Fraunces old.

                                                                        3. LeahBaila Mar 26, 2010 05:17 AM

                                                                          Adding:
                                                                          Bridge Cafe
                                                                          Grimaldi's Pizza
                                                                          Lombardi's
                                                                          Raoul's
                                                                          Piccolo Angolo
                                                                          Sarge's
                                                                          Stage Deli
                                                                          Westway Diner

                                                                          www.thelunchbelle.com

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                                                                          Stage Deli
                                                                          834 7th Ave, New York, NY 10019

                                                                          Piccolo Angolo Restaurant
                                                                          621 Hudson St, New York, NY 10014

                                                                          Westway Diner
                                                                          614 9th Ave, New York, NY 10036

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                                                                            bronwen Mar 26, 2010 07:27 AM

                                                                            Barbetta, Delmonico's

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                                                                            Barbetta
                                                                            321 West 46th Street, New York, NY 10036

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                                                                              NYJewboy Nov 22, 2012 02:59 PM

                                                                              Grimaldi's? It cannot be stuck in any so-called past beyond this current context. It moved into its space a few years a go, and even the original opened in the 1990's!

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