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Best "Old New York" Restaurants (stuck in the past)

Here are my entries for "Old New York" restaurants, patisseries, and bars:

Katz's Deli
Oyster Bar (in Grand Central)
De Robertis
Eisenberg's Sandwich Shop
P.J. Clarke's
Vivolo
Old Homestead
Ecco
Palm (on Second Avenue)
Keen's Chophouse
Wo Hop
Minetta Tavern (haven't been since the renovation)
Patsy's
Sardi's
Barbetta
Gene's
Gino's of Capri
Lexington Candy Shop
Bemelman's Bar at the Carlyle
Cafe Carlyle
Oak Bar at the Plaza
King Cole Bar at the St Regis
McSorley's
Peter Luger
John's
Lanza's
Cafe Edison
White Horse Tavern
Landmark Tavern
Old Town Bar
Manganaro's Grosseria
Marchi's
Donohue's
Fine & Shapiro
Algonquin Hotel

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De Robertis
176 1st Ave, New York, NY 10009

Minetta Tavern
113 MacDougal St, New York, NY 10012

Eisenberg's Sandwich Shop
174 5th Ave, New York, NY 10010

Barbetta
321 West 46th Street, New York, NY 10036

Old Homestead
56 9th Avenue, New York, NY 10011

P.J. Clarke's
44 W 63rd St, New York, NY 10023

Landmark Tavern
626 11th Ave, New York, NY 10036

Cafe Edison
228 W 47th St, New York, NY 10036

White Horse Tavern
567 Hudson St, New York, NY 10014

Lexington Candy Shop
1226 Lexington Ave, New York, NY 10028

Ecco
124 Chambers St, New York, NY 10007

Vivolo
140 E 74th St, New York, NY 10021

McSorley's Old Ale House
15 E 7th St, New York, NY 10003

King Cole Bar
2 E 55th St, New York, NY 10022

Bemelmans Bar
35 E 76th St, New York, NY 10021

Marchi's
251 E 31st St Frnt A, New York, NY 10016

Wo Hop Restaurant
15 Mott St Frnt A, New York, NY 10013

The Cafe Carlyle
35 East 76th St., New York, NY 10021

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  1. Adding:
    Bridge Cafe
    Grimaldi's Pizza
    Lombardi's
    Raoul's
    Piccolo Angolo
    Sarge's
    Stage Deli
    Westway Diner

    www.thelunchbelle.com

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    Stage Deli
    834 7th Ave, New York, NY 10019

    Piccolo Angolo Restaurant
    621 Hudson St, New York, NY 10014

    Westway Diner
    614 9th Ave, New York, NY 10036

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    1. re: LeahBaila

      Barbetta, Delmonico's

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      Barbetta
      321 West 46th Street, New York, NY 10036

      1. re: LeahBaila

        Grimaldi's? It cannot be stuck in any so-called past beyond this current context. It moved into its space a few years a go, and even the original opened in the 1990's!

      2. If you are talking about the 1960's old, Chat n' Chew is your best bet! But if you're going for the American-Revolution-old, you should try Fraunces Tavern. And for the in-betweens, try 21 club.

        www.inbundles.com

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        Fraunces Tavern
        54 Pearl St, New York, NY 10004

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        1. re: CantStopEating

          Patsy's on West 56th st., Steve and Eydie told us about it! How old school is that??

          1. re: CantStopEating

            I didn't remember Chat n Chew being there very long. Looked it up on Zagat and confirmed est. "Jan. 1994",

            1. re: CantStopEating

              I think that Fraunces Tavern stopped serving food recently and is now just a bar.

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              Fraunces Tavern
              54 Pearl Street, New York, NY 10004

              1. re: billyboy

                Not sure what was happening when billyboy posted back in 2010.

                Restaurant, bar and museum still open.

              2. re: CantStopEating

                CantStopEating, I'm thinking old New York is Fraunces old.

              3. Don't forget La Grenouille! It's been around since 1962... is that old world enough? :)

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                La Grenouille
                3 East 52nd Street, New York, NY 10022

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                1. re: nycfinedining

                  Went to La Grenouille about 3 weeks ago. Had an AMAZING meal with seamless service.

                  Great place....

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                  La Grenouille
                  3 East 52nd Street, New York, NY 10022

                2. The Blarney Stone at 3rd & 45th.

                  http://petercherches.blogspot.com/200...

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                  1. re: Peter Cherches

                    Loved , loved loved Katz's! Oak Bar @ the Plaza where stayed for 3 nights was also very cool. :)

                  2. 21 Club
                    Ear Inn

                    [how's that for a chalk & cheese pairing!]

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                    1. re: Phil Ogelos

                      Gallagher's Steak House - like 21 Club was originally a speakeasy.

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                      21 Club
                      21 West 52nd Street, New York, NY 10019

                      1. re: Jane A.

                        Oh, and you've reminded me now, Jane,
                        about that place on Bedford, the name of which I'm forgotting, an honest-to-goodness speakeasy.
                        Wish I were there tonight.

                        1. re: Phil Ogelos

                          Chumley's. It's been closed for a while, ever since its chimney collapsed. Here, more information than you could possibly want:

                          http://ny.eater.com//tags/chumleys

                          1. re: small h

                            My goodness, that's so sad! What a marvelous place it was.
                            Thanks for sharing the news, small h, although I can't say it comforts me.
                            In fact, it makes me feel like a tired old bootlegger.


                            EDIT: after posting, I visited the ny.eater site. And you were absolutely right: everything I could ever want to know times ten. Thanks, and thanks to you & the link for reminding me why I'm grateful not to be living in the West Village.

                            1. re: Phil Ogelos

                              Chumley's was a treasure, and hopefully one day will be again. I also mourn the Cedar Tavern, which is gone forever. Alas.

                              http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2010/01...

                              1. re: small h

                                With Bradley's just a few doors down: alas squared!
                                I need to read some Dawn Powell today, just to dry my tears.

                                1. re: small h

                                  I loved Chumley's . . .
                                  remember quietly walking through the courtyard entrance.

                                  1. re: financialdistrictresident

                                    You're remembering a different place, fdr; Chumley's was accessed through a rowhouse door.

                                    1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                      Nope. @financialdistrict... is correct. It had a courtyard too. Just google Chumley's courtyard and you can see pics of it.

                                      1. re: thegforceny

                                        My mistake.

                              2. re: small h

                                Andy Boyle, who worked for me as stagedoorman, circa early 70s, at the ANTA Theatre, (now August Wilson Theatre) on 52nd Street, used to play the piano, during the speakeasy days, at Chumley's.

                                When Sinatra was in town, and took over Jilly's, which was across the street from the ANTA, Andy was one of a favored few allowed through the locked door when Sinatra was there. Andy’s nickname for him: “Frankie Boy.”

                                I'd get full reports from Andy about the goings on at Jilly's - food fights seemed to be Sinatra's thing.

                        2. This was a great thread to start, NY>Cal, but I have to say I regret you didn't alphabetise your original list; it'd've made it easier to enhance without repetition.

                          1. Sylvia's
                            Rudy's Bar
                            V & T's

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                            1. re: MahatmaKanejeeves

                              V&T by St. John the Divine? How old is it?

                              1. re: uwsister

                                Yes. It must be well over 50 years old. Students in the 1960s considered it old. Although it may not go back to the era of the robber barons, they don't make them like that anymore.

                            2. Sevilla.

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                              Sevilla
                              62 Charles St, New York, NY 10014

                              1. People always forget Flash Inn, some seventy or more years old, on Macombs Place. It's not easy to find either. Not as old as Rao's, but at least they'll give you a table.

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                                Flash Inn
                                107 Macombs Pl, New York, NY 10039

                                1. McSorely's

                                  Bridge Cafe

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                                  1. re: filmbomb

                                    As previously mentioned, Fraunces Tavern.

                                    Thanks for adding Delmonico's (1837). The first fine dining in the U.S.:

                                    http://www.delmonicosrestaurantgroup....

                                    In the same neighbohood as Bridge Cafe (1794) . . .The Paris since 1873(still closed due to Sandy):

                                    http://theparistavern.com/history.html

                                    Not around to add to the list . . .Carmine's (now closed) used to be open 24 hours in the Fish Market hey day. Sloppy Louie's (sadly, long gone):

                                    http://www.pbase.com/image/120404210

                                    1. re: financialdistrictresident

                                      The current Delmonico's has nothing to do with the famous old restaurant. It is not a direct successor, nor even an indirect successor. It opened long after the original Delmonico's closed. It's as if I were to open a restaurant today named "Lutece"; it would have the same name as the famous old Lutece, but would otherwise have no affilation.

                                      I don't think the original Delmonico's (which moved frequently) was ever even located at the current location (by the time it closed long ago, it had moved uptown). But I'm not sure about that.

                                      And yeah, there's been a "Delmonico's" under succeeding unrelated ownerships (but never, as far as I'm aware, the original Delmonico's) at the current location for many years. That's how long ago the original famous Delmonico's closed.

                                      1. re: Sneakeater

                                        Thanks, Sneakeater.

                                        "The Big Oyster" discusses Delmonico's, etc. I'll have to revisit . . .

                                        1. re: financialdistrictresident

                                          I did some more checking around, and the original Delmonico's was, in fact, located at the current location (I think it was the third or so successive location they were in) before they moved uptown.

                                          This Eater piece is very good:

                                          http://ny.eater.com/archives/2011/06/...

                                          1. re: Sneakeater

                                            Awesome.

                                            Thanks, Sneakeater.

                                            1. re: Sneakeater

                                              Yep, the Delmonico family sold that location in 1919. We did a Delmonico's issue in my Grade "A" Fancy magazine.

                                    2. can't help but suggest Sammy's Roumanian, along with this accompanying thread:
                                      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/528363

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                                      Sammy's Roumanian
                                      157 Chrystie St, New York, NY 10002

                                      1. I have to mention The Symposium on W. 113th St. Delicious Greek food, great atmosphere. I used to go there in the late 60s and went back 2 yrs. ago to find that even the prices hadn't changed much. They cater to the Columbia U crowd.

                                        1. My absolute favorite place to go that hasn't changed... El Quijote
                                          on W 23rds St. It's like going back in time 40 years.

                                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/503262.

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                                          El Quijote
                                          226 W 23rd St, New York, NY 10011

                                          1. Le Veau D'or on east 60th. Can't get more old school -- sublime!

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                                            Le Veau D'or
                                            129 E 60th St Frnt A, New York, NY 10022

                                            1. El Faro (Greenwich & Horatio) -- Spanish from the 1920s. Murals stained dark yellow/brown from all the smoking.

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                                              El Faro
                                              823 Greenwich St, New York, NY 10014

                                              1. La Petie Auberge and Chez Napoleon are both really great classic bistros, still turning out excellent food.

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                                                Chez Napoleon
                                                365 W 50th St, New York, NY 10019

                                                1. Here's my updated list (alphabetized) - September 2013:

                                                  Old New York restaurants and bars (stuck in the past)

                                                  21 Club
                                                  Barbetta
                                                  Bridge Café (temporarily closed)
                                                  Bemelman’s Bar
                                                  Café Edison
                                                  Caffe Reggio
                                                  Chez Napoleon (1960s)
                                                  De Robertis
                                                  Donohue's
                                                  Delmonico’s (new incarnation)
                                                  Ear Inn
                                                  Ecco
                                                  Eisenberg's Sandwich Shop
                                                  El Quijote
                                                  El Faro (CLOSED)
                                                  Fine & Shapiro
                                                  Gene's
                                                  Gino's of Capri (CLOSED)
                                                  Hop Kee
                                                  Il Vagabondo
                                                  John's (East Village)
                                                  Junior's (in Brooklyn)
                                                  Katz's Deli
                                                  Keen's Chophouse
                                                  La Bonbonniere
                                                  La Grenouille
                                                  Lanza's
                                                  Le Veau D'or
                                                  Landmark Tavern
                                                  Le Petite Auberge (CLOSED)
                                                  Lexington Candy Shop
                                                  Manganaro's Grosseria
                                                  Marchi's
                                                  Minetta Tavern (new incarnation)
                                                  Nom Wah Tea Parlor (new incarnation)
                                                  Old Homestead
                                                  Oyster Bar (Grand Central)
                                                  P.J. Clarke's
                                                  Palm (on Second Avenue)
                                                  Patsy's (on West 56th)
                                                  Pete's Tavern
                                                  Peter Luger
                                                  Sardi's
                                                  Symposium (1969)
                                                  Vivolo
                                                  White Horse Tavern
                                                  Wo Hop

                                                  Remodeled “Old New York” restaurants and bars

                                                  Bar at Bull & Bear (Waldorf Astoria)
                                                  Campbell Apartment
                                                  Gallagher’s
                                                  Harry’s
                                                  King Cole Bar (St Regis)
                                                  Monkey Bar
                                                  V&T Pizzeria

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                                                  1. re: NewYorkertoCalif

                                                    I would add Sevilla to the list--dates back to the 1940's when it was originally a seafood restaurant. As "Spanish" restaurant (I know most consider it analogous to Chinese-American), it's been on W.4 Street for more than 40 years.

                                                    1. re: NewYorkertoCalif

                                                      I would add Toledo and Isle of Capri to the list. Also the Terrace. Via Brasil and Chez Napoleon are moving into that category. Maybe too Le Bonne Soupe and Joe Allen.

                                                      1. re: NewYorkertoCalif

                                                        Just a note that Manganaro's Grosseria is also closed. Hero Boy might be soon to follow.

                                                      2. Thank you for that courtesy, Calirriviste
                                                        You may yet be enlisted by Kathryn as the designated left-coast C'Hound archivist [in that perpetual IMDb mode] for late, lamented NYC eateries. No good deed goes unpunished, dontcha'know!

                                                        As an aside, I found myself in El Quijote the other day and, wow! as a journalist friend of mine once said of the UN Secretariat, "the original air from 1950 is still in here."

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                                                        1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                          El Quijote is always great when you want to time travel.

                                                          1. re: michele cindy

                                                            Go now to El Q. Who knows what will happen as they buff up that Chelsea Hotel. (sigh)

                                                        2. How about Pietro's, went there as a kid and still remember their
                                                          canneloni, went back 10-15 years ago and it was still great.

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                                                          1. re: Delucacheesemonger

                                                            Barney Greengrass?

                                                          2. Peacock Alley
                                                            Orso
                                                            Bull & Bear
                                                            Cafe Une Deux Trois
                                                            Water Club
                                                            Yaffe

                                                            There was a pizza place (slice joint) on Ave. A. Near Thom. Sq. Park that I'm pretty sure is still there since my childhood, can't remember the name.......ghetto slice after a night out 100%.

                                                            1. Closed long ago, but does anyone remember Louise Jr.'s on East 53rd between 2nd and 1st Avenues?

                                                              Oh, the memories of Louise Jr.s. During the 60s, I ate there at least once a week.

                                                              No matter how packed the bar was with patrons waiting for a table - Paul (owner/manager?) always gave the two of us a table almost immediately.

                                                              What a fantastic spread of appetizers that were put in front of us.

                                                              http://images.stampwants.com/elq14.img

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                                                              1. re: toitoi

                                                                Yes, I live in the area and remember Louise, Jr, in the little house.

                                                                Also in the area, on Second Avenue, was Rocky Lee (Chu Chu Bianco) where Sinatra was rumored to hang out and where the Chinese barman supposedly took bets for the patrons. We used to get pizza there, if I recall correctly.

                                                                1. re: erica

                                                                  We ate at Louise, Jr. often. The antipastos were outstanding, a meal in themselves.

                                                              2. B&H in the East Village--it might be stretching it to consider it a restaurant, but definitely old-school.

                                                                Veselka across the street, I'm pretty sure it's been around since the fifties.

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                                                                1. re: jmarya

                                                                  B&H is a treasure. We eat breakfast there often. It is definitely a restaurant!!!

                                                                  1. re: Motosport

                                                                    But Veselka is not "best" just "old."

                                                                    1. re: City Kid

                                                                      Veselka is what it is. Not up there with the best but at 3 AM it's pretty darned good!! They have been around since 1954.

                                                                2. I'm surprised there has been no mention of Lutece, but R.I.P. to it, The Stage Deli, and El Morocco, which was private. Le Cirque has a totally different ambiance than the original. The best singles bars used to be the Oak Room and Maxwell's Plum. For a turbocharged good time, there was Studio 54 and Plato's Retreat, but they were short-lived.

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                                                                  1. re: Veggo

                                                                    The Stage Deli was my worst meal in Manhattan ever.

                                                                    1. re: Delucacheesemonger

                                                                      You should have had a Monte Cristo. You might have enjoyed the other places I mentioned more.

                                                                      1. re: Veggo

                                                                        The tuna melt my friend received was still frozen. and that was better than my pastrami.

                                                                        1. re: Delucacheesemonger

                                                                          That was you friend's fault. If she wanted it thawed she should have said so.

                                                                      2. re: Delucacheesemonger

                                                                        Stage and Carnegie delis are way past their prime. If they were not in the prime tourist area of Times Square they would be long gone.

                                                                        1. re: Motosport

                                                                          The Stage IS gone.

                                                                          1. re: Veggo

                                                                            Thought so but there web site is still going strong.
                                                                            Personally, I am waiting for Sarge's to re-open.

                                                                            1. re: Motosport

                                                                              Best cole slaw on the planet.

                                                                      3. re: Veggo

                                                                        There were a lot of scrumptious things to consume at Plato's Retreat once upon a time, but I can't recall food being in any way among them.

                                                                        1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                                          !!! Easy to pass on the cold cuts and enjoy the real deal!

                                                                          1. re: Veggo

                                                                            There are more food puns waiting here than you can shake a raw carrot at; best we let it lie!

                                                                            1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                                              Remember the phrase there "towel down"?

                                                                              1. re: Veggo

                                                                                Yes, I do; time for me now to take a powder.

                                                                      4. Café Chambord, the tres-elegant French restaurant at 803 Third Avenue. Opened in 1936, closed in 1963.

                                                                        1. Two that are gone, Cafe des Artistes (just saw it in Manhattan Murder Mystery on TV on Saturday!) and Elaine's.

                                                                          1. The spirit of Paul Castellano suggests Sparks be added .to the list.
                                                                            http://gothamist.com/2012/09/13/spark...