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list of "age-appropriate" pubs/bars/lounges in Toronto for Chowhounds who are over 30

Inspired by this blog http://www.30tomidnight.com/ , here's the beginning of a list of "age-appropriate" pubs/bars/lounges/clubs/wine bars, where Chowhounds over 30 shouldn't feel out of place:

The Wine Bar

Crush Wine Bar

Swirl

Fat Cat Wine Bar

Local Kitchen and Wine Bar

Coquine -drinks in the lounge in front of the resto

The Drake

Le Petit Castor -pretentious crowd, and overpriced, mediocre food

Reservoir Lounge -live music, mediocre- ok food

Sopra -good food, live music some nights

Avenue -used to have good food, service & food had been going downhill on last visit

The Roof Lounge at the Hyatt drinks expensive, great service

Beerbistro -decent/good food

Biermarkt on King -mediocre food

Centro Lounge -only open some nights

Bymark -bad service the last time I was there

Nyood /Nyood Bar -good food, interesting cocktails, crowd depends on the night

Kultura -good food

Harbord Room -restaurant turns into more of a bar after around 10 pm, crowd depends on night, and it's a small place, so the "age-appropriateness" can change quickly

Pravda -crowd depends on night and time of day- seems to have older crowd after work

Samovar Room -only 30somethings when I was there, but maybe that was a coincidence because it was almost empty and only a few tables were full

Rebel House -decent food usually, sometimes not good, crowd varies

the Monk's Table

Chick n Deli -pretty bad food apart from ok wings, live music, not a classy place but then again, it's not trying to be classy

Hemingways -mixed crowd wrt age, bad food

Remy's -mixed crowd wrt age, bad food

Brant House -dance club with usually some people over 30, not many over 35, mediocre food

Spice Route -usually some people over 30, not many over 35, extremely loud for a "lounge", have never heard anything good about the food

AlleyCatz -crowd varies depending on the band, might vary depending on the night

2Cats -usually an over 30 crowd, but no food AFAIK

Gladstone -depends on the night/band/event

What other places would you add to the list? Which places would you take off the list?

related thread: fun/retro/kitschy/cool places for after-dinner drinks on a Friday night for a 36 year old and a 45 year old http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/672997

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Rebel House
1068 Yonge St, Toronto, ON M4W2L4, CA

Sopra
265 Davenport Rd, Toronto, ON M5R1J9, CA

Bymark
66 Wellington St. W, Toronto, ON M5K 1J3, CA

Roof Lounge
4 Avenue Rd, Toronto, ON M5R, CA

Centro
2472 Yonge Street, Toronto, ON M4P 2F5, CA

Kultura
169 King St. E., Toronto, ON M5A 1J4, CA

Reservoir Lounge
52 Wellington St E, Toronto, ON M5E, CA

Brant House
522 King St W, Toronto, ON M5V1L7, CA

Nyood
1096 Queen West, Toronto, ON M6J 1H9, CA

Spice Route
499 King St W, Toronto, ON M5V 1K4, CA

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  1. Caren's Wine Bar especially the patio in the summer

    1. - The Paddock (an oldie but goodie with surprisingly decent mixology)
      - Queen and Beaver (gastropub - the upstairs space is more casual for hanging out)
      - The Rex (dive-y jazz bar... but in the best possible way. sometimes has minimal cover)
      - Torito (but you need to be snackie too)
      - Vertical (for summertime only, IMHO... but very pretty second storey terrace)
      - Canoe (classic, but bring your grown-up wallet)

      - I would proceed with caution at the Drake (gets overrun with the younger S&M crowd on weekends), Chick / Deli (unless you're significantly over 30 and on the prowl), Spice Route (see numerous CH postings on reprehensible service and sub-par food)
      - I have a soft spot for hotel bars so I love the Roof and Avenue (also the Library Room at the Royal York, but it's admittedly stuffier than the other two).

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      Torito
      276 Augusta Ave, Toronto, ON M5T2L9, CA

      Spice Route
      499 King St W, Toronto, ON M5V 1K4, CA

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      1. re: Rabbit

        Rabbit, agree completely with your words of caution re: the Drake, Chick n Deli and the Spice Route. I was only mentioning C n D and S R because of the "age appropriate" factor, and wouldn't recommend either place to a CH seeking decent food.

        While the crowd at the Chick n Deli is significantly older, more downmarket, and not dressed as well as the Spice Route or Le Petit Castor crowd (posh crowd), all 3 establishments come across as places where the majority of the clientele is on the prowl (rather than just out for drinks) and it certainly changes the vibe inside the establishments.

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        Spice Route
        499 King St W, Toronto, ON M5V 1K4, CA

      2. I had a good outing at Cam's Place last week. They have live music several nights a week, and the upstairs portion has a nice, relaxed feel. The downstairs not so much.

        The Miller is also fairly decent for drinks, but you would want to steer clear of the food.

        Pilot? Insomnia?

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        Cam's Place
        2655 Yonge St, Toronto, ON M4P, CA

          1. Joe Mama's - Average food, but the band was fantastic. I've been 3 times, and each time the Crowd was over 30. Went back for the entertainment, not for the food.

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            Joe Mamas
            317 King St W, Toronto, ON M5V1J5, CA