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ARE 3.5 LITER PRESSURE COOKERS USEFUL?????WORTH THE COST???

Smallest size I have is 6 liter pressure cooker. What do you use your smaller pressure cooker for other than rice? If you have one, would you purchase one again--in other words, ARE they worth the cost since they are actually designated as a SAUCE PAN pressure cooker and have expensive replacement parts?

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  1. It's very hard to say what would be useful or cost-effective for another person! You're the only one who really knows what your cooking habits are, or what makes sense within your budget. But since you ask how others use their smaller pressure cookers: I have a 2.5-liter saute-pan-shaped one that I often pull out when cooking for two people--it can handle a couple of whole chicken legs, or two to four pork chops (depending on size and thickness), or risotto made with up to a cup and a half of rice, etc. Mainly, I like it because I hand-wash my pots, and it's easier to wash a small pot than a large one. And it perhaps comes up to pressure slightly faster than a larger one, because of the lower headroom. But I also have a 5-liter cooker, and could get along just fine with only that one. The same would be true if my smallest one were 6 liters. Hope this helps.

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    1. re: Miss Priss

      I have the same thought as the OP has. Just started to do some research. We are only two and we will use the cooker mainly for rice, grains, and beans. Also, small portion of curries with some meat. My guess is to have around 3.5 qt is enough. This is going to be the first pressure cooker for us.

      I have three candidates here and if someone could give any feedback, it would be very much appreciated. The first khun rikon is $198(!), so I am a bit hesitant but I want to have something lasting and some bad comments on fagor quality deterioration at Amazon kind of bothers me. Although they are almost less than half price of khun rikon, they are not at all cheap either. Also, the maintainance/parts costs worries me, too as the OP mentioned.

      Kuhn Rikon Duromatic Top Pressure Cooker 3.75-Quart
      http://www.amazon.com/Kuhn-Rikon-Duro...

      Fagor Splendid 4-Quart Pressure Cooker
      http://www.amazon.com/Fagor-Splendid-...

      Fagor Duo Stainless-Steel 4-Quart Pressure Cooker
      http://www.amazon.com/Fagor-Stainless...

      1. re: hobbybaker

        I like Fagor Duos. I have a 6 qt and a 10 qt. I find the Kuhn Rikons nice to look at but fiddly to use.

        1. re: hobbybaker

          I love my two Kuhn-Rikons (2-liter saute pan shape--I erred when I said above that it was 2.5 liters--and 5-liter saucepan shape) and find them very easy to use; but personally I think the 3.5 liter/3.75 quart Kuhn Rikon is rather small for a first, or single, cooker. You can't fill a pressure cooker to more than 2/3 of its stated capacity, or there won't be enough room for the pressure to build, so that model will only hold a maximum of 2.3 liters. Also, its diameter is smaller than that of other Kuhn-Rikon models, so there's less surface area for the initial browning or sauteeing of ingredients. The Fagor 4-quart cookers are larger in diameter and considerably less expensive. But most pressure-cooker cookbooks advise starting with a 6-liter or 6-quart model, since you can always cook small amounts in a large pot but not vice versa. I can't comment on the quality of the Fagors, now that most of them are made in China. Mine is an older one from Spain, and it seems pretty sturdy.

          1. re: Miss Priss

            Thank you for the feedback, candy and Miss priss. Based on the 2/3 theory, a 6 qt cooker is only 4 qt, which started to make me think about buying a 5 to 6qt. Can I cook only two cups of grains/beans in the 6 qt cooker? I think it maybe depends on the diameter of the cooker, too... Can you give me some hints? Thanks.

            1. re: hobbybaker

              For 2-4 people the 6qt. is fine. Check out www.lornasass.com for some good tips and suggestions. She is the pressure cooker queen. She recently published a pressure cooker book on beans and grains.

              1. re: hobbybaker

                I agree with Candy that the 6-quart will be fine for 2-4 people, and definitely second her recommendation to consult Lorna Sass, whose books and websites are great resources. There's also plenty of good information at www.missvickie.com. As for your question about grains and beans: If you mean 2 cups dried, a 6-quart cooker should be fine. If you mean 2 cups cooked, you could still use a 6-quart cooker, but you might want to cook the grains/beans in a bowl set on a rack inside the cooker. I've done this successfully with brown rice and with steel-cut oats. Simplifies cleanup, too.

                1. re: Miss Priss

                  Hi, Miss priss: you might want to cook the grains/beans in a bowl set on a rack inside the cooker.

                  Could you tell me about this a bit more? What kind of bowl and rack can I use for it? Are the bowl and rack sold together/separately with/from a cooker?

                  Thanks a lot. you guys are great! I checked Lorna's site a bit. looks nice.

                  1. re: hobbybaker

                    Hobbybaker, I use an old stainless-steel Farberware mixing/storage bowl with a flat bottom. The rack came with the cooker, but you could use any stainless-steel rack of the right size--or just improvise something, as long as it can withstand high heat and steam and is non-toxic. All it has to do is elevate the bowl above the half-inch or so of water that's needed to produce the pressure. Put the grain and water into the bowl, bring to pressure, cook for the required length of time, and either let the pressure drop naturally, or give the cooker a cold-water bath to bring the pressure down more quickly. (Using the automatic pressure release with foamy foods like grains and beans can cause a stream of food to shoot out of the valve--very messy!) It's hard to generalize about the proportion of water to grain, or about the cooking time; best to start with a timing chart or cookbook as a reference, and experiment. In a couple of her books, Lorna Sass recommends cooking grains in an Ohsawa pot, a Japanese ceramic pot designed for use in a pressure cooker, but I've never felt the need for one.

                    1. re: Miss Priss

                      Thank you for your advice. Do you think if it makes sense buying this? Fissler is a German company and quality sounds really good although the price tag is also high.
                      http://www.amazon.com/Fissler-Point-5...

                      1. re: hobbybaker

                        Hobbybaker, I noticed the next size up Fissler pressure cooker from the 5 quart is just $10. I think 6 1/2 quart. I would consider if 5 quart is the best for your circumstances with a little larger one not that is not much more expense wise I believe at Amazon. Please look as I think that is what I found this morning. . I did read where there are three pc that are regarded as very good a few weeks ago. Fissler was mentioned, Kuhn Rikon, and one other German made PC? I think the most important concern is to research how easy parts are to get and the expense involved also. There seemed to be a little problem in parts of the third one that I can not remember the exact name, initials of it that is. I did not check Fissler for parts availability. Someone else can probably help on this. But if you are going to spend this much, check the price on the next size up and be sure. I think 5 quart is popular but I have noticed 6 seems to be offered more in other brands. What are you going to use your pressure cooker to cook mostly?

                        1. re: Tinker

                          Hi, Tinker - Initially, my thought was to buy a 3.5 - 4 qt only for cooking grains and beans for 2-4 people. but I am thinking to buy a larger size based on the 2/3 theory. Actually, now I start to think if it is making sense to buy this set of fissler if I am ready to spend $210-220 for one 5 qt or 6.25 qt. It is a set for $259 of 6.4 qt and 2.7 qt, but there is only one pressure cooker lid for both of them. Do you think it makes sense?
                          Ihttp://www.amazon.com/Fissler-Blue-Point-Sch...
                          I want to buy before summer when it becomes too hot to cook on stove top:), so I have some more time. Coincidently a small kitchenware shop in my neighborhood is a dealer of fissler. So, it seems no problems for parts.I will go there and check the pots and the set soon. (I think you mean WMF as the other German made pc. I am open to this option, too. I will do research on them, too.) I think I need to take my time to go through a couple of cookbooks of Lorna Sass.

                          Tinker, you appear not to feel comfortable to cook a small amount in your 6 qt? Did you try the way Ms Priss described? I hope Al b. darned will respond to your question. I am interested in it, too. Thank you for posting this thread and share with the responses and your thoughts with me:)

                        2. re: hobbybaker

                          I've heard that Fissler's quality is very good, but I've never had personal experience with that brand. Apparently it's well known and very popular in Europe, but wasn't widely distributed in the US until recently. According to some source that I (unfortunately) can't now recall, the the highest pressure setting on the Fisslers is around 13 psi, whereas Fagors, Prestos, and Kuhn-Rikons reach 15 psi. If that's so, then food might take a little longer to cook in a Fissler than in a Fagor, etc.; but I imagine the difference would be slight.

                          1. re: Miss Priss

                            Hobbybaker, have you considered the set of two-Fagor Duo as I think it comes with a 6 and a 4 quart or 8 and 4 one. Look it up. . Miss Priss may can help you on this. I can not think the 2.7 is going to be worth much. I was trying to justify a 3.5 Kuhn Rikon at that. I was even interested in the pressure skillet about 2.7 KR until I read problem with gasket for some reason in a review and could not cook much quantity in it. Then I got into looking at the Marine chicken fryer which is a pressure cooker and also a fryer pressure cooker?Miss Priss probably knows the name. That was almost $280 for an 8 quart but only pressure of 10 always about and I just could not see it as we are past fried foods at my age, ha, almost.. I went back to Kuhn Rikon and I decided on the hotel 10 5/8 wide and 6 1/4 deep that is without the lid depth and can be used at 12 psi or 15 psi same as the 6 quart for psi usage. But you need the 6 or 8 quart probably regular pressure cooker if you do not have any of those sizes.. I think most of the cookbooks are based on 15 psi too, hobbybaker so you have to adjust as Miss Priss says. Also I read somewhere you never use the 12 psi that much. Keep on searching and take your time. I can not get my cabinets closed almost from buying and then buying again because I made a mistake. Do not misunderstand me, I use my cookware but they were not all necessary as it was close to repeating the same size sometimes. If you want a reliable one, go Kuhn Rikon or Fissler. But keep in mind the Fagor Duo SET which is really not bad$ and highlly recommended even by Cooks Illustrated magazine because of price and reliability. Only one gasket for one lid and not $20 or $39 like the one I have in KR. Miss Priss has helped me and she probably can help you most certainly. She has a lot of knowledge it seems about pressure cookers.

                            1. re: Tinker

                              Thank you for your indepth infos. Really appreciate it. In the mean time, we are looking for an answer from al b. daned. Hopefully, will appear again on this thread!!! Where are you al b. darned!! We are looking for you.....

                              1. re: hobbybaker

                                Hobbybaker, just received a reply from the FagorAmerica site. To my investigation of why UCook7 piece set was not found at their sight, the reply just came back today that the Fagor UCook7 piece set has been discontinued and only parts are available for it now. You wanted a reply March 25 from Al B Darned concerning his using/or having the set and his being happy with it. I did not know if you were wanting info on the same set so you could possibly buy it since you are looking for a good set to buy or what he cooked in the 4 quart Fagor he mentioned mostly using. Anyhow this is the info on the set itself no longer being available at the factory at least I found for you. I tried to pull it up elsewhere and received no response from the internet as to any store carrying it in the U.S..

                                1. re: Tinker

                                  Hi, Tinker - I was just interested in what the poster normaly cook in the 4 quart that he/she uses it more often than the 6 quart. I am not specifically interested in the Fagor UCook 7. I checked the other Fagor duo set last week at Macy's, but most probably, I will pick up one pot or a set from fissler, Kuhn, or WMF. I thought his/her answer helps me figure out buying only one pot or a set, which I have not decided yet.

                                  By the way, the other day I took a look at a fissler in person and found the quality very good as it was mentioned by Ms priss. (I will look for the answer to the question of the possible pressure level up to 12 or 15 soon.) Hopefully, I will see Kuhn and WMF in person, soon. From the info at the fissler website, they have another three versions not available in the US. One reviewer at Amazon says those are able for higher pressure than the model in the US. I might be able to see those in person if I am not in hurry.

                                  I skimmed one of lora sass books last week. I will pick up a couple of other books and check up the website, too. Anyway, thanks for your info on the particular Fagor set, which is discontinued.

                                  Tinker, so for you, no smaller cooker anymore? Did you have a chance to try to cook a smaller amount in your big pot?

                            2. re: Miss Priss

                              Coming into this discussion very late, but I wanted to mention that I spoke with the people at FisslerUSA and they told me that the Blue Point pressure cookers they sell in the USA do indeed reach 15 psi. The 13 psi is for their European models.

                              I bought the set that hobbybaker mentioned, as well as the Fissler pressure pan. They are fabulous! The CookStar base is the heaviest base I've ever seen on a piece of cookware. They take a little longer to heat up because of the heavy base, but seem to hold their temperature steadily and there are no hot spots.

                      2. re: Miss Priss

                        Miss Priss, and others, from your advice which is most appreciated, I feel you do not think it is really a good purchase to buy a 3.5 saucepan size pressure cooker. The size is too narrow, a Fagor 4 quart is a better buy as more width I believe I noticed in one reply, and a 6 quart should be enough if a person already has one. I just was thinking the short length of pressure time would be to an advantage if cooking a small amount such as rice. From what I can read however, there is not much else that can be cooked in a small pressure cooker to justify the price of buying one. Am I correct on all of the above?.

                        1. re: Tinker

                          Tinker, in my opinion you're correct on all points. (Of course, that's just my opinion!)

                          1. re: Tinker

                            I have not noticed much difference in pressurization time between volumes.

                            It is much more dependent on the amount of liquid.

                2. I have the Fagor UCook 7 piece set, with a 4 - and 6- quart pot. I find that for just the two of us here, I use the 4 qt. pot more often.

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                  1. re: al b. darned

                    Al b. darned, tell me what you normaly cook in your 4 quart that you use it more often than the 6 quart please. It helps me to get ideas from all of you and so far I just have two chicken pieces can be cooked or 4 chops at a time, and also rice can be cooked. I know the Fagor 4 quart is a little wider than a 3.5 quart Kuhn Rikon I believe and of course 1/4 quart larger-- and that may be the deciding factor. I guess it is safe to say the 3.5 is probably an inch approx more narrow than the 4 quart. I think the 3.5 is about 8 and the 4 quart is about 9 inches wide.. Anyhow since you you use your 4 quart most of the time, I need some input from you as to the different items cooked in it. I think I have had more success in choosing other pc in the past without hesitation as I have an 8 inch low hotel and the 6 quart and just thought I needed a smaller one if enough people think they are important to have. I sure do not even need a 5 quart having a 6 instead of the 3.5. There is just the two of us by the way as far as meals are concerned. When I do large chickens I use the 8 quart and add veg towards the end or large chuck roasts and veg, and beans in the 6 quart often or risotto etc. It just seems so large for rice.

                    1. re: Tinker

                      I use it for potatoes all the time. About 2 lbs cubed and about 3/4 - 1 cup of broth makes the best potatoes for smashed potatoes or potato salad. I've also done rice, country style pork ribs, pot roast, chili, and beef stew, to name a few. Corn on the cob is quick and easy in the PC.

                      The Fagor 4 qt is wider than the 6 qt. In fact the 6 qt fits inside the 4 qt for storage.

                      All that being said, if I already had a 6 qt, I wouldn't go out and buy a 4 qt. I bought mine as a set.

                      1. re: al b. darned

                        Is your Fagor 4-quart the saute-pan model that's only sold as part of a set with an 8-quart pot? I have one like that, and really like it. I actually bought the set because I wanted the larger pot, but it turns out that the smaller one has been more useful. By contrast, I once had a 4-quart saucepan-style PC (with smaller diameter) and hardly used it at all; in fact, I eventually gave it away.

                        1. re: Miss Priss

                          Miss Priss, can I cook rice, grain and beans in a saute pan? Fisller has a 4 qt saute pan, too. Do you think pot in pot method works with this pan? Or, is this too small for this as only 2/3 of 4 qt is available for the actual cooking.

                          http://www.google.com/products/catalo...

                          1. re: hobbybaker

                            Using an insert to cook things like beans and grains requires a deep pot. For example, my 6 qt Fagor is fine for a 6cup insert. The insert can extend higher than the 2/3 mark, but you probably don't want to fill the insert more that 2/3 full.

                            So a shallow, but wide PC might be find for pressure steaming items in ramkins. It should also work for a risotto type rice dish. But for items that might foam (like beans and rice) stick with the deeper pot.

                            1. re: paulj

                              Thanks paulj. beans and grains are always needs to be cooked in an insert ? Can I cook these directly in the pan/pot? Or the insert is used only for the pot in pot method? If I have an insert from the original manufacturing co., I do not need another metal bowl or cup for the pot in pot method? Thank you for guiding me to the right direction Really appreciated :)

                              1. re: paulj

                                Exactly right, paulj! And in my opinion, those are all good reasons why it's best to choose a saucepan shape rather than a saute pan shape for one's first PC. Hobbybaker, you don't need to use an insert for beans and rice; in fact, I never use one for beans or for risotto-type rice dishes. I usually do use one for plain brown rice and other long-cooking grains such as steel-cut oats, because it ensures that they won't scorch and it makes clean-up a little easier; but if your PC has a thick base, it's not really necessary.

                              2. re: hobbybaker

                                Apologies, Hobbybaker, I just saw today that you addressed this question to me. I think you could make all those things in a saute-pan shaped PC. There would certainly be no problem with beans, since they're always cooked in lots of water, but I suppose you could get some sticking on the bottom with rice and other grains if they absorbed all the water before the cooking time was up. Looks like that model might be too shallow for pot-in-pot cooking.

                              3. re: Miss Priss

                                This is the set I bought:
                                http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000...

                                It seemed like the best value at the time, and I'm not disappointed with my purchase.

                          2. re: al b. darned

                            I need help with a 4.5 L t-fal PC I bought from a Target sales table about 5 years ago - no book, no recipes! I've looked everywhere on the web and found nothing. Where can I go - I tried t-fal all they would send in the directions (helpful) but they do not make the PC's for the US anymore. I'm lost, please help!

                            1. re: momoquilts

                              All you really need are the instructions, which it appears you have. For a large assortment of recipes and lots of useful technical information, try missvickie.com. If you search the Forums on that site, you may even find posts about your particular model.

                          3. Seems you have a specific model of 3.5L in mind. For example what do you mean by 'SAUCE PAN' and expensive parts?

                            I have 3 sizes of PC. A 4qt alulminum Presto that I've had for years. A newish 6qt Fagor, and 1.5L Hawkins which fits my camping stove. I did not throw the Presto out when I got the Fagor, but may have more to do with the difference in pressure regulation than size.

                            When I got the Hawkins I also considered a 3.5L GSI pressure cooker (sold by sports shops). But for my camping application, the diameter of the pot was critical (due to the stove windscreen), and Hawkins turned out to be the right choice.

                            If I bought a new PC in the 4qt size or less, I'd lean toward a shallow one. It would be easier to brown meat in such a pan than in the deep 6 or 8 qt. I'm thinking for example of the 4qt size in one of the Fagor 2 pot sets. I suspect, though, that if I'd gotten such a set, that I would have used the glass lid with the smaller pot more than the pressure lid.

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                            1. re: paulj

                              Wow, it was wonderful to read all the above from all of you. I must take a moment tomorrow or Friday to go through each of the posts written carefully.. Thanks for all the information from all of you. I just happened to be reading the pot within pot article last night in the new (markeddown$) book I just received, Miss Vickie's Big Book of Pressure Cooker Recipes. BUT I am going to read all the articles you referenced too, Hobbybaker!!!! I have been on the computer trying to load Firefox since yesterday and almost missed all this since I had a mess to clear up computer wise.. I finally could pull up Chow and was amazed to see all the above. I am waiting for the KR 3.75 pressure cooker by the way. I needed it like I needed a hole in my head but I hope it will be less of dragging hugh pots around in my kitchen when I have smaller preparations. I will not go into how many pressure cookers I have ended up with because I think I should have backed up and thought more first. I hope to use them a lot starting now keeping the Fl kitchen cool this summer. I think the pot within pot would have probably made me say no to the small RK most likely but it was on the way when I read the article naturally and I saved some money on it also. Be back later.

                              1. re: paulj

                                Paulj, I think the Fagor 4 quart in the sets are great as they are usually more wide so therefore more shallow. Not for certain if this one can be bought alone. I know they sell a 4 quart Fagor alone but have not checked the exact size width and depth. I think someone else-Miss Press- mentioned the shallow and larger diameter is better than the one with more depth/smaller diameter. You seem to have a nice variety of sizes of PC,Paulj. I thought about the 3.75 small one I bought for use with our camp stove for emergencies since Fl is suppose to have more hurricane chances this year. I definitely can use it with the small stove as windshield is more narrow. Also, what I meant about parts being expensive does not apply to all pressure cookers. The Kuhn Rikon parts are expensive but last quite some time actually from the information I have found in researching them. I actually went to the replacement company and looked at parts before I ever bought a Kuhn Rikon.. Presto, Fagor and some other models replacement parts are not as expensive definitely.. The saucepan I mentioned is just a small PC from what I understand. Miss Priss explained it elsewhere I think and also a salesman described the smaller under 5 quart as saucepan pressure cookers. They are great used as a regular saucepan or pressure cooker so serve two purposes is the best I can explain it. I hope I am correct. Miss Priss, do you know what size is no longer considered a saucepan in pressure cookers? If I have misquoted you, please let me know anytime for I value your information and reference it sometimes. I also just guessed at 5 quarts up is not considered a saucepan pressure cooker and may not be correct. Thanks to anyone for explaining the pot in pot use. I did not know the best times to use this method and the explanation I have read gave me very valuable information. I have certainly learned a lot since this thread started up. By the way Paulj, I have used one of my thriftstore treasured aluminum lids on my older pressure cooker. I have a couple glass tops, but they do not work except for the actual PC they came with unfortunatly. Also used an All Clad lid. Sometimes we just have to makedo but it can work.

                                1. re: Tinker

                                  Tinker, I'm just using "saucepan" as shorthand for any pot that's as tall as it is wide (or taller), and "saute pan" as shorthand for any pot that's wider than it is tall, regardless of capacity. My apologies for any confusion! By the way, I don't believe the saute-pan shaped 4-quart Fagor PC can be purchased separately, as it always seems to be offered as part of a set with the tall 8-quart pot.

                                1. re: Colin_1

                                  Thanks, Colin 1. I brought up the site you indicated but can not read as not English.. However, I understand you are indicating Fissler is a great pressure cooker. I have read some reviews that recommend owning one. We have to be certain before buying that replacement parts are easy to find. I also read one review under Amazon for Fissler pressure cooker that was not good. Five people had bought I believe. Four were higher rating the PC but the one low rater person said handle broke in a year and the gaskets had to be replaced yearly. Person did not indicate how many times the pressure cooker is used weekly or monthly etc.. That is important to know. Naturally if they are used daily by a person that has this need, gaskets might go in a year. Or a handle may become weak if good care is not given to the pressure cooker. However, the review caused me to wonder. Also that only 5 people have seemed to have wanted to purchase one. Cost could be the reason naturally for that. It is good to hear from you that you really think the pressure cooker is a good one. Others may want to buy one based on this opinion. Miss Priss, have you heard anything concerning Fissler PC?

                                  1. re: Tinker

                                    I had problems with the handle on my Fagor. The spot welds securing its bracket to the pot broke. Fagor replaced it under warranty (though it cost me shipping at my end). I've had some problems with the gasket on the replacement. I almost wish I'd gotten a 6qt stainless Presto.

                                    1. re: paulj

                                      Wondered where you bought your UFagor 7 piece set, Al B Darned. It has some good reviews too. I NOW have the Splendid? Fagor 4 quart and (7 liter marked on bottom) larger one.with a basket and glass lid. Fagor Splendid is what the set is---- book indicates that anyhow.. I inherited it you know so I am pleased that I can try Miss Priss's recommended one. If I had known this was going to be like this/been packed away-my Mom's stuff AND was stored in boxes and they came on here and to my son's without checking what was inside for about 7 years-marked on outside what was inside my son said.. Anyhow, gaskets look good. Have not received the 3.75 and definitely do not need now. I will look at it and possibly my son will end up with one or the other as he so kindly suggested, ha. . It was just dropped off today and have to test yet etc. Anyhow, I just had time to get back in my seat to drop this note and found more from paulj and al b darned. Too bad about the handle, paulj.. First I have heard of Fagor products having problems but I have just really been in the pressure cooker comments for a little while. Sometimes I think it is the luck of the draw-I think that is the expression. Glad you only had to pay shipping and that can be stiff these days. Best hang onto what we have. Just noticed a note elsewhere about where the good days of Amazon's sales seem to be gone now(Gold Box Deals).. I hunted everywhere for good pressure cooker prices and they all seemed to be the same as if all companys are sticking together and are almost to the penny the same. I hope to not have to purchase anymore for many years to come. Had two on the stove top last night at the same time!!!. Chuck beef roast in the big 8 quart like saute one and red potatoes cut up in the other. Carrots on stand by for loading. In less than one hour all was done and kitchen did not get too hot either. Love to have extra meals done ahead like this. I am so glad I ran into all of you especially Miss Priss, Hobbybaker, Al Darned and the rest of you. Looking forward to more of your advice and comments.. O by the way, just noticed my earlier question about Fisslers PC to Miss Priss was already touched on by her personally a few days ago.. She had mentioned the Fisslers above and she had heard they were good I believe. Sorry I asked you something you had already clued us in about earlier, Miss Priss.

                                      1. re: Tinker

                                        I bought mine from Amazon, but in noticed when I put in the link up-thread that it is marked "Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be back in stock." It is no longer listed on Fagor's site, either, so I suspect is is out of production. Maybe someone finally noticed the "Fagor U Cook 7-Piece Deluxe Pressure Cooker Set" only contained SIX pieces. The Splendid is now the only set with a 4 & 6 qt pot, but only single pressure.. The other sets all have a 4 & 8 qt. pots.

                                        1. re: al b. darned

                                          Al B. Darned, look back up where I wrote to Hollybaker on April 6/ the Tinker note so you and everyone else could see what I had found out.. I had gone on FagorAmerica looking for your set last week when she was wondering when or where you had gone and when you would answer.. I then asked Fagor while still on their web site what had happened to the U7Fagorset you have-I told them not listed in their available pressure cookers. . Fagor America answered about 3 or 4 days ago that your set is not being made anymore-discontinued as you thought. Nice of them to answer too!!!. I also let you all know above in the same Fagor response note they said they are still carrying the parts to your exact set however!!! So keep this in mind, AlBDarned. Then concerning your last Apr 10 note concerning the Splendid 2 piece set--you are absolutely correct. My son just gave me Mom's set yesterday which has been packed away for a few years. . It is only 15PSI single pressure as you just informed all of us- NOT 12 PSI AND 15 PSI AS Kuhn Rikon is for example. In this Fagor set: the 4 quart and the stamp on the bottom of the other says 7 liter. I assume it must be between 7 and 8 quarts therefore for the second pressure cooker. Along with it is a small basket and a glass lid, trivet-6 parts I believe which sounds like your set except 6 quart and a 4 to my 7 quart and a 4. . Anyhow for you and Miss Priss. I just received the 3.75 quart Kuhn Rikon 1:00 today. It measures 8 1/2 inches wide by 4 inches deep--a pressure cooker saucepan Miss Priss would call this I believe. The 4 quart Fagor Splendid is 10 1/2 inches wide and 4 1/2 inches deep which I believe Miss Priss would say is almost like a saute pressure cooker type. I agree with her, the Fagor will be better as you can brown small pieces of meat in the Fagor 4 quart as more width there which in a site above she said she liked better than the saucepan type and had discarded the saucepan pc I think. Don't ask me what I am going to do with all of these. My son will end up with either the 4 or the 3.75 probably if I can turn loose. Anyhow thanks, Al B Darned for the information..

                                          1. re: Tinker

                                            Tinker, so you think your new Khun is redundant to your Fagor 4 qt? If so, you can still return it as you have not yet used ?

                                            1. re: hobbybaker

                                              I think my son wanted to keep the Fagor set (even though it was still boxed up, ha) so it will not be a problem thank goodness. He does not care if he has a smaller one and the KR was marked down as a closeout type deal. I can not return it except for an exchange anyhow or credit to order something else from the man because of low price. Otherwise I would have probably not bought it if paying full price for it. At full price I would have added $ to it and bought the next size KR back in the very beginning. Thanks for the suggestion, Hobbybaker, of returning the KR anyhow. What have you decided on? I have been reading about the Fagor chicken fryer pressure cooker/10psi as I mentioned above I think. . Someone sold one on Ebay because when she used it and grease escaped. Her husband said she decided she did not want it because of that. Then I saw where one girl bought it brand new-loved the fries made in it, but in the beginning the chicken oil escaped because she thought she did not have lid on right. Undoubtedly she figured it out to do the fries. There are so many type of pressure cookers out there but be sure and read reviews and keep reading them-even the 4 quart Fagor splendid are not reviewed highly like the one I have. I guess anyone just uses until it fails and if too expensive to fix, then into the trash it goes. The Duo Fagor is the best way to go if you are going to buy a more reasonably priced pressure cooker deal I guess. I did read where the baskets are not stainless or strong aluminum. Al B Darned may have found that out by now. They rust finally I believe the review said. Before I bought a Fagor outright, I would go to Fagor America and see the material content of the inserts anyhow.. WARNING TO ANYONE: I will say this, the trivets are great in the Kuhn Rikon but never insert your finger into the center holes to pull the trivet out of the pressure cooker. They are sharp and the cut on my finger finally has closed over since middle of this past week.

                                              1. re: Tinker

                                                Used the 3.5LKuhn Rikon last night and was so happy with outcome. I fried swiss steak in flour and seasoning in the pc itself. Set the 4 steaks aside. Used a little wine and cleaned up the bottom, added small amount of beef broth and sliced onions and layered the 4 slices in the bottom directly on bottom of pc with additonal seasoning and pressured at the lower psi level for 15 minutes. Removed the steak and added small amount of thickening to broth and served with fresh green beans, baked potatoes and salad.. In the 15 minutes I was able to do all the additional food preparation. The steak was so tender and tasty. PC came up quickly and was easy to maintain at lower psi. I can see where the skillet KR would be useful but the small pc will work for more items than the skillet will for me. The kitchen stays so cool using a pc.

                                    2. re: Tinker

                                      Thanks for great feedback from you both, colin and tinker. As I have fissler in my shortlist, very helpful It is so great to get to know the pressure cooker community. For choosing a right pressure cooker, I feel experience factor plays more than the normal pots/pans as it may still be a niche. I am very grateful for our communications here!

                                      1. re: Tinker

                                        I know that this site is not in English. I had the same problem with reading. I gave this web-site just because to show photo andI made a mistake. This is the correct address http://www.garnkifissler.info/?p=39

                                        1. re: Colin_1

                                          This is a beautiful set of pressure cookers. Hope Hobbybaker sees them-Fissler set- if she has not actually been able to view them elsewhere. I like the looks of the skillet. Do they sell the skillet by itself? The Kuhn Rikon 2.5 is just too much money for the use I can get from it. I would love the 5 quart brasier most definitely however but if the Fissler small pan is super looking. Do you know what size it is, Colin 1? Thanks for the picture reference.

                                          1. re: Tinker

                                            Hi, Tinker. Yes, this model is available only in Europe. We can import it from UK or Irland I guess. This is the highest line of fissler, so needless to say expensive:) By the way, I noticed that Macy's now on for 4 days of friends and family sale (which everyone can benefit through the coupon downloadable at their website), which makes Fagor furuto set very affordable, $159. This is more than $100 cheaper than the fissler blue point set, which is available in the US not the one colin_1 mentioned. I said before I was sold to fissler but I am kind of tempted. The set consists of 6 qt and 4 qt. This set appears made in Spain. Is this good alternative? Macy'sr return policy allows me to keep it up to 180 days, but I am wondering someone can share any experience with this model as there are so few reviews available. I like the short handles:)
                                            http://www1.macys.com/catalog/product...

                                            1. re: hobbybaker

                                              I can not tell you anything about the Fagor Futuro set. I do know the Fagor Duro is suppose to be the very best compared to others/think I may have mentioned that above.. I found that out with Cooks Illustrated comparison chart they published. . I also investigated through Consumers Choice or something like that. I do not think this brand of Fagor was mentioned at all. I am trying to find out about the Fissler Blue Point 4 piece braiser skillet as it is much less than the Kuhn Rikon 5 quart braiser and seems much larger of course than the 2.5 I mentioned in the beginning of this thread.. I still would love one of the KR braisers but too expensive. I absolutely should forget it however. Therefore when I look around, Fagor keeps coming up here and there but always the Duro set as highly recommended.. That is a very good price for the Futuro and I know you will love the 6 qt and 4 qt. I looked up a review under Macy's and out of the two only one was good. You better read the second review at Macy's on this set. Not good. My son put my Mom's set of Fagor Simplicity set in the garage until he has time to come back and get it again. I decided to pull out the 4 quart and do brocolli last night. I know you will love the 4 quart Fagor pressure cooker. It is wider than some of the others and you can layer food in it well. I like the rack and perforated pan that came with it. I loaded up that on the little L rack and it did very well. I will say this, there is a lot of steam that escapes compared to the Kuhn Rikon. My kitchen told the tale. Keep me advised as to what you decide. I can not find any reviews hardly at all about any of the Fissler products. There are very few companies that sell it. Fagor is sold many places as you and I both have seen over the last few years. I wish more people would comment on the Fisslers.

                                              1. re: Tinker

                                                Tinker, thanks. My concern about fissler is the pressure level. I need to check their higher line of the product (which collin mentioned) is able to be 15 as the line has 3 levels not 2 levels. On the other hand, the affordability and availability of Fagor futuro has started to be attractive, too. I read the reviews at Macy's website and wondered the second one.. as you mentioned there are so few reviews on futuro. Do you know when CI reviewed pressure cookers? I assume when they did it, the futuro line was not rolled out yet. Am I correct?

                                                1. re: hobbybaker

                                                  That negative review says "alot of difficulty trying to get pressure to built up", but gives no idea of why. My guess is the steam is escaping someplace. If from the valve or regulator, maybe something is in the spring assembly, keeping if from closing. Or it could be escaping around the main gasket. The Fagor gasket is quite flexible, and designed to 'blow out' at a gap in the lid rim if pressure gets too high.

                                                  There are plenty of Fagor reviews on Amazon. When dealing with pressure issues (the gasket and regulator), a review from one of the other Fagor lines should be just as useful (I believe they all use the same gasket).

                                                  1. re: hobbybaker

                                                    Several of the Fisler lines have this:
                                                    "You can set the two settings conveniently and easily: setting I, 109°C, for fine vegetables, and setting II, 116°C, for soups, meat and stews."

                                                    116C = 246F, roughly matching the 15psi that is (nearly) standard for pressure cookers.

                                                    1. re: paulj

                                                      Thanks, paulj. I checked the manual, too. I thought 116c is not equivalent to 15 psi and around 12 or so. Does this difference make a big difference to use pressure cooker cookbooks? Do you know how they calculate psi based on C or F?

                                                      1. re: hobbybaker

                                                        250F is the usually temperature given for high pressure (which is q15-16psi).

                                                        Keep in mind that this is for sea level. My Presto book says to increase time by 5% for every 1000 ft above 2000 ft.

                                                        1. re: paulj

                                                          I like the quality of fissler but on the other hand if the lower psi creates challenges of using cookbooks, I need to think twice. I checked Ms vickie's wibsite but no major infos on either fissler or Fagor futuro....

                                                          1. re: hobbybaker

                                                            Here's a thread on Ms Viekies for forum about Fissler
                                                            http://pressurecookerrecipes22484.yuk...
                                                            Someone there claims that .8bar is a European standard (US 15psi is 1bar). But this more a matter of calibrating the valve spring (or the rocker weight), than cooker strength.

                                                            Hobbybaker - I see you are already asking questions on that forum.

                                                            1. re: paulj

                                                              Thanks for the information, paulj. I was glad to find out about the psi being close to 12 highest for Fissler approx. Would just have to extend the cooking period a small amount to compensate. It seems Fissler pc quality is excellent from the couple of comments I read. I am serious about buying the 4.2 qt blue point braiser fry pan as the Kuhn Rikon 5 qt braiser is about $100 plus more.. I did buy the 3.5 KR pc saucepan and I sure do not want to go to a 2.5 size KR. I assume there is about only one place in the U.S. to buy the gaskets for Fissler and that is the Fissler main company in the N.C Amazon seems to not have both 22 and 26 mm sizes available. One thing about it, the gaskets are about 1/2 the price of the Kuhn Rikon. I just hope they are not cheaply made. However, KR gaskets are only thicker I have noticed on the larger pc. The smaller KR pcs have thinner size rubber gaskets or synthetic gaskets I guess. Anyhow, thanks, paulj, once again for the valuable information. I found Hobbybaker's enquiries on the Miss Vickies forum and it is helpful to read all the answers the three of us are finding.

                                                              1. re: Tinker

                                                                Interesting thing is that one poster actually bought KR, FAGOAR, Fissler, WMF ( All around 8qt size) and made up her mind to keep fissler. It was not clear that she had any challange to modify cooking time, but as you and paulj mantioned, probably the difference is not siganificant. I have never cooked with PC so it is only my speculation. I saw the 4.2 qt blue poing braiser frypan in person. I was impressed by the quailty. I have never seen KR so I cannot make any comparison with it.

                                                                1. re: Tinker

                                                                  Tinker, the Fissler 4.2-quart pressure skillet looks like it's about the same size and shape as the 4-quart shallow PC that Fagor sells as part of a 5-piece Duo or Splendid/Elite set. The Fissler is doubtless higher in quality, but the Fagor would be a decent lower-cost option. Of course, you'll also end up with an 8-quart pot that you may not need or want.

                                                                  1. re: Miss Priss

                                                                    You are right, Miss Priss. I thought of that. Then I checked it out. The measurements of the Fissler frypan 4 piece Blue Point set is 10.5 inches approx and has the braiser bottom. Also a glass lid is included and a wire insert(if it is actually ever needed). The (MOM's) Splendid Fagor pc set: 8 qt AND the 4 qt pc set made around 2000 to 2003 guessing that is, the Splendid 4 quart is only 8 3/4 width. You were correct in saying I would not need the 8 quart pc possibly.. You are right as I have one. I was encouraged that some people use their PCs often-- however some do not.. So far, I have been using them often. The Fagor Duo set is a great set price wise I really think and great quality. I wish I had started with it years ago. I guess I can not complain. I had the Presto PC I believe from in the late sixties. Gave it away in 1996 I believe. Probably still have the book when I think about it. All you ever had to replace was a gasket for close to a couple dollars and all hardware stores had them. That tells all of you how old I am when you can buy a gasket for that price. NEW FAGOR DUO 5 PIECE SET: You are right, Miss Priss!!! the new 5 piece Fagor Duo set has 10 inch pressure cooker 8qt pc and 10 inch frypan 4 qt pc at $125 and free shipping. That is great. Sure glad you gave me this information. I wonder if Hollybaker has considered this set.

                                                                    1. re: Tinker

                                                                      I saw the Fagor DUO set yesterday at local macy's. It will even be more affordable after using 25% off coupon only vaild until Tomorrow, Monday:) The problem is I cannot see all of the candidates in person ( Fagor Duo, Fagor futuro, Fissler blue point, fissler vitavit) at the same time to really compare apple to apple... At the beginning a 8 qt appreared to me very big but based on the 2/3 theory, it will become only 5.3 qt, so it is actually not too big considering my biggest Dutch Oven is 6.75 qt. I feel I need to take some actions tomorrow if I really want to buy Fagor as Macy's policy allows me to keep things up to 180 days and I can return them to any local macy's store if unused.

                                                                      I checked Ebay Germany yesterday and found one vendor offering really nice price for Fissler Vitavit... unfortunately, they do not ship it to the US. They only ship inside EU. I really wish Fissler sold this model in the US!! As the model is not sold in the US, it is going to be difficult to get parts in the US, too. (Gaskets are same as blue point, so no problems.)

                                                                      The weather is getting too warm and a pc is nice to have on the days like today! The easiest way is just to buy a set of duo with this Macy's discount and start actually using a pc. The way, I can figure out if pc cooking really fits me or not. But on the other hand if I find out I do not like the Fagor, I don't think it is easy to resell it at Ebay as people usually do not want to buy used pcs. It is different from used Le Creuset Dutch Ovens at Ebay which are sold relatively well all the time.

                                                                      Maybe I am just overthinking. It is so hard to make a decision without seeing the actual products. I did not expect things to stall like this when I got an idea just to buy a single pc:)

                                                                      1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                        You sound like you have a LC cast iron dutch oven/6.75. I think I have a shallow type one about that size. I found I could not go over 1/2 to 2/3 with them or have to watch as use electric and can boil fast. I do not know if Cooks Illustrated looked at all the Fagors before deciding which to compare. You never know about CI. The Futuro is not as good as the DUO is it? Maybe I am wrong. I have never really seen anything on the Fissler Vitavit but I think someone wrote they had one but they may not live in the states. If you can get a Duo set for 25% off than that is great. I think my Mom's came from BB&B and she was able to get one for 20 percent off but it is the cheaper set Splendid or whatever and only one psi. From what I can tell most cooks use 15 psi anyhow. However, I use 12 psi for vegetables. If you can get a super 25% off deal for the Fagor Duo set which has both psi settings, you could always return it after you really examine it if not satisfied. You may not get that chance again for a long time. Let us know what you decide. You have to stay on top of the Fagors. They send out a stream of hot steam if you do not operate two burners simultaneously or sort of ignore them on the startup burner. Regardless of which type pc I use, I have one burner on a little lower than medium and one almost high to start out on and switch from one burner to the lower burner immediately especially when I need the second ring psi. Mom's Fagor sends out a lot of steam my son and I both noticed and you have to move it fast unless you start out on a slower medium burner and really watch to avoid this loud steam escaping deal. I am using a pc primarily to keep my kitchen cooler and the pc is not bad on steam escaping. But you are looking at more bucks and if you are careful, you can control the Fagors from heating up the kitchen. I would have been thrilled to get a set for under $100. After reading Miss Priss's note, I realized what a great set the 8 qt-4qt duo set is. I did not realize they had the 10 inch width. I like that for putting chicken in flat to cook and layering swiss steak to cook after browning. Hobbybaker, that really is a great deal for the Macy's Fagor set.

                                                                        1. re: Tinker

                                                                          That business about 2 burners, one on high, and one set to a simmer temperature, applies specifically to an electric range which responds slowly. Fagor actually recommends that.

                                                                          That's one of the reasons I still like the old Presto. Faster rocking while the burner is cooling down does not cause problems. For some reason my replacement Fagor (I returned the first due to a broken handle) seems more sensitive to excessive heat once it is up to pressure.

                                                                          I can also use my Fagor on a portable induction burner. The change from high heat to low is fast enough there. However the optimal heat for simmer seems to be between the 2 bottom heat settings on the burner.

                                                                          1. re: paulj

                                                                            You are right, paulj, on the electric range use of 2 burners is best and I found that in a pc book for electric range. . I do not know what Honeybaker has in her kitchen even. I would love a portable induction burner. I ordered one and had to return it. I think it was 1800 watts and played havoc with the line it was on having another appliance. No matter where I moved it, it was not working. It was a refurbished one and a super price. That is why I went to an ss electric commercial hotplate for the porch. I have to really watch it as it is hard to control too. At least if steam flying, it is in the open air. I think the GE range indoors has to be in the middle of simmer and medium and it holds the 2nd red mark pretty good on the KR. I overcooked my vegetables trying my Mom's pressure cooker-Splendid Fagor. Let it get too hot so I adjusted her book for my son's use from 8 min to 6 min for broccoli when he takes the set back to his home. His range is gas which is the best to adjust rapidly. I have not been in a home since 1963 in Canton, Ohio where we had a gas range. My Mom and Dad also had a beautiful gas range. I would give anything to have a hugh hood and the range some of the people have that can just turn loose cooking up a storm we use to call it in Ky. However, there is not a gas line in my area and I doubt if there ever will be here in my Fl. area. Anyhow, thanks again for the info. Maybe our next range will be induction. My GE is too new to replace. What make of portable induction unit do you have, PaulJ? Do you use your pc every week? I could not be without one. I hope Honeybaker sees this and lets us know what type of range she uses. That is very important in a way when considering a pc.

                                                                            1. re: Tinker

                                                                              A 1300 w Tautung that I bought at an Asian grocery several years ago. It looks just like the $60 GE that Walmart sells.

                                                                              1. re: paulj

                                                                                That is a great price. I have not looked at Walmart but will. The $60 is best I have heard of recently for a portable induction unit. Thanks for the information paulj.

                                                                                1. re: Tinker

                                                                                  Hi, guys! One step forward. I ordered Fagor futuro (6qt + 4qt) at Macys.com($159 after 25% off and shipping free!) just to see it in person:) I will be ordering Duo at BBB or Amazon, too. I will cross one of them and then continue to fissler blue point:) If there is anything I should closely pay attention to when I take a look, please kindly let me know!

                                                                                  Tinker, thank you for your reponse. Futuro is the highest line of Fagor, I guess. One time in the past, the line was exclusive for WS and Bloomingdales based on the info at Ms Viekies website. That is maybe why there are not so many reviews avaialble on Futuro at Amazon etc, I suspect. Two reviews at WS website was good. I am looking forward to seeing how different they are and if the price difference is really justifyable.
                                                                                  My decision is inbetween of the budget and quality.

                                                                                  1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                    Hobbybaker, I don't know whether it makes any difference whatsoever in the quality, but according to a Williams-Sonoma salesperson I recently spoke with, the Futuro model is still made in Spain while the other Fagor models are now made in China. Supposedly, that's why the Futuro is so much more expensive than the others.

                                                                                    1. re: Miss Priss

                                                                                      Thank you for the good point, Miss Priss! I read somewhere that Duo is made in Spain, but the info can be old. Thanks to the Macy's 25% off until Monday 11:59PM, the final difference to my wallet is only $ 20-30. I am fine to pay this for made in Spain product. Anyway, I will try to update this with Fagor USA as this might be one of the criteria for someone else, too. I checked their website but there is no info on the origin of the products.

                                                                                      1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                        Why should 'made in Spain' be any better than 'made in China'? My Elite Fagor is made in Spain, yet I still had a handle failure.

                                                                                        1. re: paulj

                                                                                          As you mentioned, a failure happens wherever the product comes. and when it happens it happens to you. It is a 100% defect to you. Where it is made is just a ONE of many judging criteria. Assuming product features look similar, if the extra is not a big amount and my budget allows me to do so, my choice would be non-made in China product. It is simply my "personal" view and preference.

                                                                                          I kind of feel I will prefer fissler and I might waste time to order Fagor, but I am interested in seeing Futuro as shipping is free and return is no hussle with Macy's:)

                                                                                          1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                            Looking forward to finding out what you think about your superb purchase. I know how you feel about Made in China purchases. It is too bad the ones in power did not think about it more often years ago. I do not have any idea which- Spain or China- is more qualified to manufacture a great product. The only way to find out is to actually have the product in your hands and look it over, try it out. I have read of KR products failing so it just is a chance anyone takes when buying. The warranty is what counts first and the wording naturally pertaining to it, and second-whether the company stands behind it and third whether their response is in a timely manner. I think you are doing the best anyone can do, hobbybaker!! I can not wait to find out what your decision is. This will take some time but it will be valuable information for all of us. Great to hear what your decisions are. I am looking forward to seeing what your decision is about the Futuro Fagor set. I had not researched that make. I really almost forgot about it and it may be the best yet. Thanks for the info.

                                                                                            1. re: Tinker

                                                                                              In light of my experience with the Elite, the stubby handles of the Futuro may be plus (esp in the 6qt and up sizes). Routinely handling the pot with both handles should reduce the stress on their mounts.

                                                                                              1. re: paulj

                                                                                                Tinker - warranty is a really good point. Fissler is limited lifetime while Fagor is 10 years. I do not know how long PCs usually last, but having a limited lifetime is a big plus and generally German companies are well behind their products. Is the warrnnty of KR also limited lifetime? I guess so.
                                                                                                Paulj - You made a valid point for me! I will pay attention closely to the handles. Also, your insights to handling pots with both handles is very much helpful. I generally feel more comfortable with pots/pans w/ two short handles to one long handle with/wo a helper handel. That is why I like casserole type pans better than a saute pan in terms of All-Clad products.

                                                                                                1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                  You are right about the handles. I like my two short handles 8 quart that I have-more comfortable with it as you mentioned. There was a comment that a long handle pc was more safe from burnt fingers. There is not any problem if you are careful how you lift a pc regardless of the handles. I certainly would not want a pressure cooker that is 6 qt or above without the helper handle. The pressure cooker is heavy to try to lift with just the long handle alone. I also think that might cause weakness in the handle down the road too when it is used only as paulj commented. I also have found storage is so much easier with the two short handles. My long handle pc keeps getting caught up in the other cookware under the cabinet as my storage space is certainly limited.

                                                                                                  1. re: Tinker

                                                                                                    Hi, Tinker. Thank you for letting me know the favor comment for longer handle. It makes sense, too. Safety, Storage, and Comfortableness of lifting are the trade-offs between longer - and shorter handles.

                                                                                                    In the meantime, I got a response from Fissler USA. They are trying to get the higher lines, "vitavit premium and Vitavit Comfort" , authorized and hope to roll out in the US by NEXT YEAR. Mmmmm... another implication (complication?) to make my purchase decision process longer?

                                                                                                    As the link shows, they are designed so beautifully and look practical (The same one mentioned by Collin.). It is a Mercedes of pcs while Fagor is Ford? (I cannot come up with a good spanish car company name:) I like the stainless steel lid for non-pressure cooker use. Those supplement lids for the set of Fagor and Fissler blue point are glass. (I personally don't like glasss lids...like the sturdy SS lids of All-Clad.)

                                                                                                    As I said, I found an ebay vendor in Germany has the set of vitavit premium for $260 for free shipping in EU. I am almost thinking to buy and send it to my relatives address :) One thing I am concerned is the detail says 3 years guaranty...

                                                                                                    http://www.fissler.com/en/products/pr...

                                                                                                    The following is a newest "vitavit EDITION". I like the handle and the attached timer a lot but guess it takes time to get this in the US as they will roll it out This FALL in EUROPE :)
                                                                                                    http://www.fissler.com/en/specials/pr...

                                                                                                    Now I know you get what you pay for. You cannot get a mercedes by paying for a Ford:)

                                                                                                    1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                      I remember looking at Collins Fissler article.. Not in English as I remember as I wanted to read about it since the set was beautiful.. Now we can all read about it. They are beautiful. I am going to get back and read about the Fissler vitavit and also about the Futuro Fagor model. I was gone yesterday and today and just have not had time for anything. What type of burners do you have by the way? These are great on induction too Collin said. I have spent more than I need to on pc's so I have to stop. But i will be cheering you right on, ha. I almost got into the Fagor chicken fryer but thank goodness used some will-power.. I never knew the outcome of that Fagor brand anyhow.. Lady wrote french fries were great but something about she was not happy with chicken grease flying on her first try with it. I am going to look and see if she ever wrote anymore about it if I can find where I was reading about it.. For some reason that seems to be the problem in the beginning with that brand of Fagor. It is low psi but no problem adding a few more minutes. You are on the right track with what you are buying. So hang in there. You can always add one more in a year or so when the Fissler vitavit Edition is sold in the U.S. Take your time. These pc take up a lot of room. I have just jammed my cabinets full and, garage shelves are full of my angel food pans etc. to make room for the pc addition since I am using them a lot. . It is almost getting out of hand here now I will have to admit. Continue later..........

                                                                                                      1. re: Tinker

                                                                                                        Hi, guys. I received a Futoro set last night.

                                                                                                        I do not know how easier to clean the inside of the "Easy-Cleaning Valve ". ( I paste the link as below.They discuss it in the "KEY FEATURE tab #3")
                                                                                                        I saw inside of the valve but it is so "Plastic" to me. Does it really hold long??

                                                                                                        Paulj pointed out about one bad review of Macy's saying difficulty the pressure building up. I am concerned that the assembly of this easy cleaning valve might cause the steam to escape? I will check Amazon about the pressure issue of other Fagor models as he recommends.

                                                                                                        Unlike the single 6qt Futuro product, the 6qt included in this set is NOT a bell-shape. Also unlike the same sized single pc, it has a ridge to rest the steamer basket. Due to this design, 4qt and 6qt can be nested, which saves storage space combined with its short handle.

                                                                                                        http://www.fagoramerica.com/cookware/...

                                                                                                        I found a video on Futuro at Youtube, which is helpful to me to get a feeling how this model works. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5Qgny...

                                                                                                        1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                          What is the measurement of the large pc opening, Hobbybaker? I certainly like the looks of the steamer basket!! I like the idea that you can place one pc in the other too. Features are really nice on this set!

                                                                                                          Thanks for sending the video and the cookware information. I have already started to watch the video. Recipes are really great on the rice and also the beef stew. Just took 10 minutes. I want to watch all of them!!

                                                                                                          I saw the second review too from Macy's. Good advice from Paulj!! Hopefully the review was from someone that did not take the time to really test the pc correctly as it is such a nice set. . My Mom's has to be gently worked on before seal takes occasionally my son told me the day he dropped it off.. When I tried it, it was ok right off thankfully. I have had the seal not to work every once in awhile on pressure cookers. It usually is when I am in a rush and put the lid on too fast, ha, and do not take time to see that it is closed all the way.

                                                                                                          Be sure and make notes so you can tell us all you find out with the tests and cooking food also.

                                                                                                          1. re: Tinker

                                                                                                            Thinker. The opening is almost 9 inches for both.

                                                                                                            I cannot use it and do test cooking because I am suppose to return it as unused condition:) I wish I could do it. If you are interested, there is a post in Ms vickie's site that the poster tested many pcs including Fagor and fissler.

                                                                                                            I saw Fissler 4.2 qt saute pan today in person again, just to get how the lid and the handles look like. I find the fissler's lid is easier to clean. Futoro's arm, where the lid is rocking, has a few spaces where you can see the bare metal in it. I do not know how i can clean those completely. Fissler's handle does not have such. Also, the spring valve is almost all plastic and look to me very fragile. This is the biggest concern. I do not want to replace it often. I think Fissler's valve is not all plastic and look s more solid at least from their website. Also how the handles attach to the body looks different. For fissler, the actul area of the attachment looks metal to metal, at least the bottom half, not plastic to meal like fagor. I suspect this makes Fagor's handle more vulnable.

                                                                                                            After seeing Futuro in front of me. I am leaning back toward Fissler:)

                                                                                                            1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                              Well I must tell you what I received Fedx last evening. We heard someone ring the doorbell and there it sat behind my plant at the front door. The Fissler 4.2 braiser. I guess all of you figured I was heading that way. I quickly thawed a small chuck roast, we cut it up and had stew and vegetables about 8 last night. I used the lamb and stew recipe. I guess when you wrote last night the above, I was already in the kitchen washing up everything and checking the parts.. It is massive. In some ways it makes me think of the Fagor but the bottom is more heavier looking as you may know since you saw this very same one yesterday. I did not know this yesterday when I wrote of course that you would happen to be looking at one almost at the same time.. I about flipped when I saw there are two bids going on this morning right now on ebay. One is $90 and the other $60 on new Blue Point set identical to this one. I thought they would go higher when I saw them about a week ago.. Thought I would let you know. I do not like buying something like this from ebay because of the bill of sale and warranty problems that might come up. At least if buying from a business you know you can send it back if something not right without having a possible problem, Hobbybaker. Anyhow the ebay sale is off in an hour to three I think. If they do not go too high/under $150, it would be worth it I suppose-then I am not for certain. I always feel they have been opened and maybe not as should be. Anyhow do not worry about the valves on Fagor. I think Mom's Splendid set must be 10 years or more old and the parts are like new it seems. I would think the Futuro Fagor is even more expensively made. One thing about it, the parts are cheaper than any other make. Kuhn Rikon is something else whew for gaskets, valves etc. I think Fissler is a little more reasonable than Kuhn Rikon. Better check this all out. I did. I had looked since last year but I did not want to put all that money in the 5 quart KR braiser and I had money marked off this Fissler 4.2 which made it a lot cheaper than the KR. Anyhow, I am very pleased. This will definitely be my only Fissler purchase as the digging under the cabinets last night to find a place for it to be from now on was a big adventure about 10PM. I have one small shelf now for pc's and nothing else. My magnalite old timers couple small sauce pots are going to the garage ceiling storage until my son can come get them. I really love the time it saves using these pc and the food is so moist. Anyhow, let us know what you decide. I forgot you can not test and return. I am going to order the Fagor steamer as I do not have one except the one in the F Splendid going back to my son. Is it really stainless steel? One is in your set. FagorAmerica has about three inserts I believe which are all ss. Anyhow, I would not have bought the Fissler had I not already had a regular pressure cooker, Hobbybaker. I would have bought a 6 quart or 8 quart pressure cooker instead. Anyone should start out with them to begin with. Most people just buy one of these and that is the end of purchasing pressure cookers. They can be used for so many recipes. Glad you let us know what you think about all above.

                                                                                                              1. re: Tinker

                                                                                                                As always the prices rises at the last moment, especially in the last few minutes.

                                                                                                                Last hour = 19 bids = $160

                                                                                                                1. re: Paulustrious

                                                                                                                  I just got back to this hoping Hollybaker was watching. These are brand new in regular factory box it seems so that price is certainly not too bad. However, I noticed the high bidder on both on these was the same person. Looks like he or she is trying to buy both. They may back off if this one just bought went higher than anticipated to bid and win. I will go back and look and see if #1 even won it. Anyhow $245 to $255 is about the lowest price inc s/h I could find for this Fissler PC style. I was able to get a better deal which took a lot of searching. I always just gave up on it but occasionally started searching again. I think most companies have agreed to hold prices at a certain levels on the KR, Fissler(few companies have) etc. Not much deviation on prices whatsoever unless used like on Amazon$195. That is why I was watching to see just how far these two were going dollars bid wise. The second pc may go for more being the last one available. Both from the same seller too-liquidation deal. Looked and this nc(1) bidder bid 19 according to record and she or he won it--- so determined and still high bidder on this second one at $98. Sure staying at a good price so far. We will see in about close to 2 hrs what the outcome is. A couple bidders are the same ones as on the first one bidding. If anyone wants this they may as well put their highest bid in and just cross their fingers. I have never seen this Fissler new model on ebay like this all the months I have been watching and comparing different pcs.

                                                                                                                  1. re: Tinker

                                                                                                                    Hi, Tinker. Congratulation on your Fissler.

                                                                                                                    How do you feel about the structure compared to your Splendid?
                                                                                                                    Don't you think cleaning is easier with Fissler?
                                                                                                                    Do you think the valve of Fissler better than Fagor?

                                                                                                                    I agree that buying a pressure cooker at ebay might not be a good idea in terms of warranty, if you cannot prove you are the orginal owner but I will check ebay anyway. Thanks.

                                                                                                                    Edit:
                                                                                                                    Have just checked ebay. There is another one for the set, but I am not joining this bid:)

                                                                                                                    1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                                      I just looked and set went $10 under first set and was won-$149, wow. The lady that was outbid on the first turned around and outbid the winner who was bidding to win again it looked like and the lady I guess decided not taking a chance this time losing again. They probably already have pc of some type.. The Fissler is probably more expensively built than the Splendid Fagor. But Futuro is most likely built better than the Splendid Fagor too. Since I have not seen the Futuro and held in hand, I can not compare to Fissler. I will have to take time to really look both over again at the same time. Anyhow, it is definitely the set for you because of the sizes of the cookers 4 and 6 qt. Like I said, those little valves and all are not expensive like these other manufactured pc's. I really think the set looks great. Remember to tell me what you think about the steamer that came with it Hobbybaker.. My mind running on it. There is a fryer, steamer that came with the Fissler but larger than I need for my regular pressure cooker.

                                                                                                                      1. re: Tinker

                                                                                                                        - The quality of the steamer basket is OK considering it is just $15. I don't think I will use it as a grater though.
                                                                                                                        - I relly like the mix of the set of fissler (6.7 qt and 2.7 qt). This small 2.7 qt appears to be more useful than 4 qt to me. I can use the small 2.7 for grains. Based on 2/3 theory, 2.7qt becomes 1.8 qt. As I now use for grains my LC 2.0qt and I always find the size is perfect for two people household, I will be very happy to have this small one.

                                                                                                                        1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                                          I do not think I could use the Fissler 6.7 and 2.7 combination for myself. The grains ok for the smaller one, but that is about all I could use it for. I was able to test run Mom's Fagor-4 qt with broccoli or cauliflower, grains no problem etc. I noticed on the 4.2 Fissler braiser that you can comfortably prepare a meal with an extra amount maybe if serving 3 people instead of two and even 4 IF salad etc of course is a part of the meal. I have a 3.5 and that is about as far down for me that I can go comfortably considering price on an individual small pc OR even two pressure cookers combination sets and use. However, the 2.7 qt may be perfect for the choices you are going to use it for. I can see where I could fudge and use the smaller pc 4 quart many times instead of 6 or 8 q but not often with the 2.7qt. Also I could get a small chicken actually in the larger then immediately after operate the 4 qtfor vegetables/even potatoes. That is why I think the Fagor Futuro you received is such a perfect combination size wise. You can place glass lid on the larger and shift top over to smaller and complete meal rapidly. But when I think about it, everyone may not like exactly what my husband and I like for our choices. You said you could be very happy with a 2.7qt So we all have to consider what we cook the most and what pieces would be the best for our situations.. It took me a long time to decide on that 3.5 quart. It was based on the fagor splendid 4 qt/8qt going back to my son otherwise the 3.5 would not have been a good decision at all as it is a pressure cooker sauce pan as Miss Priss said and you are very limited on what you can use it for.

                                                                                                                          Paul Lustrious, are you out there reading along? Noticed your input yesterday on the ebay bidding. Hope you can let us know what pressure cooker/ or cookers you have and what you use it/them for. I need all the ideas I can get as this is a super idea for the hot summer months keeping my kitchen cool. I am seeing the 90's here everyday-humid and hot outside. Using my hotplate on the porch too!!

                                                                                                                          Albdarned, where are you also. Have you any new input to help us all out? I was amazed at where you had bought one of your pressure cookers.

                                                                                                                          I wish all of you would write as to what you prepare in your pressure cookers. That way if it is something new, then you can help all of us with answers.

                                                                                                                          Thanks for letting me know what you think of the steamer insert, Holly baker. I saw the Fagor Futuor demonstration you indicated above and think it is super how it can be used above other meal choices below/stacked they called it. I did not see any other pc that had that tiny ledge I guess it is to hold it within pc so stacking is easy. I believe that is correct. If I am wrong, let me know.

                                                                                                                          1. re: Tinker

                                                                                                                            Tinker, this morning I noticed that Fissler.com (the official Fissler Germany website in English) does not show blue point anymore. I guess it means the line is/will be not manufacturered or sold anymore there. Although the manufacturer keeps parts long time and in the US there will be no problem as they still sell blue point, there won't be any inconvenience, I think I might like to buy Vitavit instead of blue point. Thank you for your indepth feedback about the size. I keep thinking if 2.7 makes really sense to me. You might be right. the 4 qt of Futoro is deep enough for pot-in-pot method to cook rice/garins as it has 9 inch diameter ( the duo set's 4qt has 10 inch diameter, so the same 4qt of futuro is a bit deeper. ) . I need to collect some more info on it how pot-in pot will work in the 4qt. I hope mis priss will read this and answer my question. IF it is so, futoro may make more sense to have:)

                                                                                                                            1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                                              So glad you researched Fissler more. On warranty by the way, I read where 3 years on defects Fissler PC or something like that and 10 years backing on major parts to be kept available after the cooker is no longer available. Remember you liked the 10 year on Fagor straight out warranty on anything except gaskets and things like that. Ten years is great!!! Today I was reading Miss Vickie's Pressure Cooker Recipe Book and it said if you think your pressure cooker LINE is going to be obsolete, buy a few gaskets and parts if not expensive while you can still get them. For curiosity, I will check the other pressure cookers Fissler manufactures and see if another one requires the 26mm gasket I use in this braiser.. Also, the parts ARE probably the same such as spring valves etc regardless of size or style of Fissler.. Fissler demand may have been the reason they are eliminating Blue Point. Most sold, only keep available deal. I also read after 400 uses the gaskets need replacing most likely. If taken care of, the synthetic gasket is a very durable one and outlasts your old rubber material type gaskets also. i would sure like to think I could use one 400 times without a worry, ha, if I take real good care of them.

                                                                                                                              In my mind last night I also happened to think your Futuro large pc goes into the smaller saving cabinet room or do I have this backwards? I wondered how many inches across one was compared to the other so they can stack. You stated above that the 4 quart Futuro has a 9 inch diameter?? What is the 6 quart then if it goes into the 4 quart or am I mixed up about this? Albdarned had a set that did this 6 went into the 4 I think. Set me straight. I may have the wrong Fagor set in mind but I think I am right. That is what I really like among other pluses with the set you have already purchased.. By the way, you are right too, you can do the pot in pot in the 4 quart as well of course as the 6 quart. I was reading where you use a 1 or 1 1/2 quart flat bottom ss bowl in some of the recipes of Miss Vickie's. I want to do that to have less scrubbing on pcs- especially beans etc. I am going back to look at the Vitavit you mentioned anyhow.. I think you said it would be available in U.S. in a few months. I can still visualize it from Colin1 having us look at the set I believe and then you found it with all in English later for us to be able to read. It is a super set but more pricey than the Fagor Futuro. I guess we will just keep researching. Hope we can get more input from more people too. That helps.

                                                                                                                              By the way, if you do not have the book I mentioned above, I think I paid less than $10 for it and $3.99 shipping for a new one. I am telling you it is full of information--recipes--and well worth the cost. You may have it. It goes into the pot in pot in quite a few recipes. Miss Priss I think mentioned the same thing about how to use a bowl. Aluminum foil sling and all that. Hope she can gives us more information as to what she tried.

                                                                                                                              1. re: Tinker

                                                                                                                                What I'm using in my 6qt Fagor is:
                                                                                                                                - steaming stand from a large Asian grocery, with legs about an inch tall
                                                                                                                                - a 6c stainless bowl (flat bottom) from another Asian grocery. It even came with a loose fitting lid.

                                                                                                                                I've used the foil sling with other bowls, but I can safely lift this one out by its rim (with a pot holder).

                                                                                                                                The last thing I cooked this way was polenta, which normally I cook double boiler style for a couple of hours.

                                                                                                                                Lorna Sass has recipes for English style steamed puddings using the PC.

                                                                                                                                1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                  Paulj,thanks for the information. This information will certainly help all of us.

                                                                                                                                  The bowls to fit inside a pc are hard to find. I found a ss bowl just over 3 quart to use for beans. It goes inside of the pressure cooker okey but area around completely is at least similar to a little more than a pencil lead in width opening all the way around completely. I hope it will allow enough steam up all the side of bowl to pressure the contents within.. I best put it on the insert that came with pc too so bowl will be off bottom. You were so lucky to find one with a lid too. I have looked a couple of places and can not seem to find one that will fit okey. Most are too wide. I found my ss 1 1/2 quart one in the closet but it is so small.

                                                                                                                                  I am going to search for polenta and try it out next so I will get an idea of how we enjoy it. That cuts a lot of time off cooking it. Two hours in a double boiler must mean pc time is at least 30 minutes. Do you recall how long you pressure it and at low or high?

                                                                                                                                  I have my book up now and I see in the last part of Miss Vickie's there is everything such as bread puddings, steamed puddings and they are my favorite. Glad you mentioned this type of recipe so I could search. Which of the Lorna Sass books has the recipes you are referring to? Do you have the title of the book for all of us? Lorna Sass has several books out.. I will meanwhile go search for mine. Maybe I have the same as you and can find the English style steamed pudding..

                                                                                                                                  I do not think I can use the sling for the ss bowl above unless very thin and will have to figure out how to work with it. I could ladle out the contents and then just let the entire bowl and pc cool down and then wash. Might be safer. I have a 1 1/2 quart ss that will allow the sling ok so I can remove bowl entirely almost immediately when opening the pc. It is so small however.

                                                                                                                                  I will appreciate the information on Lorna Sass's book, Paulj, when you have time to locate the information for us. Meanwhile I am going to search for mine.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Tinker

                                                                                                                                    Sass, 1989, Cooking under Pressure. This may have been her first. I bought it used.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                      Yep, I have it, pauj!!! Thanks,.. I bought my pressure cooker books used too. Only way to go. I found the rice pudding custard on pg 252 and even bread pudding elsewhere.. I like the rice pudding recipe. I never have the Grand Marnier around but have a bottle of rum or liquer I think and that might work or just skip it.. I looked for a souffle' dish the recipe mentions using at Marshall's a couple months ago as they sell cooking supplies cheap there. That is where I got the 1 1/2 qt ss bowl for about $2 but could not find a souffle dish. One of the other guys uses one in his pressure cooker.. I can just use a round pan. I have pyrex and all that but afraid to put it in the pc. I think the souffle dish is heavier. They moved the Humane Society Used Store that was close by about 15 miles up the road and I really miss it as cooking supplies such as cookware, cookbooks and all was around 25 cents to a dollar. I took in what I had not used in many years and came out with treasures such as the old wooden knob egg beaters from the fifties and you name it that are like new. You had to stop often as the ebayers stayed in there buying cake pans, aluminum roasters on and on to place items for sale on ebay. I was thrilled with the 2 or 3 pressure cooker books I found over a couple years time. Anyhow, thanks for letting me know which book the rice custard recipe is in.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Tinker

                                                                                                                                        Just an add on this morning. Wonder what you have decided Hobbybaker!! I have researched a little more this morning. Been in Miss Vickie's group of questions and answers. Need to get back to todays work so will write more later.

                                                                                                                                  2. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                    Paulj, thanks for your feedback on the PIP method. Very helpful! I have the steaming stand so I will check how it fits to the Futuro's 6qt and 4qt:)

                                                                                                                                    Tinker, the Futuro's 6qt and 4qt has almost same diameter but 6 qt has slimed down from the ridge, but only slightly. I still have 172 days to go until the Macy's polity expire. So, I am just keeping it untill I will be convinced or I will get relatively definite info when the new model of fissler coming into the US Market. (Maybe, the blue point's price will go down?? ) I konw it means I cannot do any pc cooking this summer, but I waited so long why not another 6 momth or so :)

                                                                                                                                    I have ordered the Laura' Sass's book. I want to take a look at the structure of Duo's valve, too. It does not mean that I do not believe that many people including CI that Fagor is good affordable option, but you know I am this type of person who wants to see it in person when buying something more than $100 and which is supposed to last long time:)

                                                                                                                                    Really appreciated the communication and support from you guys.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                                                      I do not blame you for waiting. No use using these and maybe wanting to get the Fissler in the same size pc in less than a year because you feel it is a much better buy for the money after your research.. It would be a waste of money and a disappointment if you ruin that chance. You need a place like the Humane Society drop off store. They ocasionally had small pcs that were older but actually worked for $5 which would get anyone by until they find what they really wanted if they want to spend it for something they think they can really benefit from. The girls did trial runs and then put them up for sale only if they worked!! I think I only saw two or three but back then I still had Granny's Presto aluminum 4 quart one. I even ended up with one of my Mother's 6 quart too after she bought the Fagor set but I sold one in yard sale when I moved back in 1996 thinking I would not use it/kept larger one and couple inserts thank goodness. The prices of the inserts are not cheap I guess you noticed when I was asking about the Fagor steamer. Shipping runs up a reasonable buying cost is the problem. Anyhow, I guess people wonder how I got back into pc buying if I was selling them in a yard sale 14 years ago, ha. Reading about the nutritional benefits is one of the reasons and wishing the one I sold in 96 was still here and it would have saved me a pretty buck.

                                                                                                                                      Let us know what you think about your book, Hobbybaker.. If anyone else has pressure cooker books, let us know what you have bought. I looked at a couple at Barnes and Noble but pricey. I can get by with mine but always love to see what is new coming out or if anyone else has something that has good ideas. .

                                                                                                                                      By the way Hobbybaker, someway I was able to go through something mentioned by you or someone else above and got into one of the group of pc talks this morning and it was mentioned part of the valve in Fissler is metal versus plastic in Fagor. You probably just about know what they were talking about. One thing I like is I can run water over the Fissler pressure gauge area and it will clean it out versus removing from other pressure cookers the same part to clean from what I read. . To be honest, I have a written list that I kept compiling about what I needed to look for. Otherwise the question in mind would have slipped my mind as usual. I guess you are doing the same. Also when you are dealing with something with this many parts you have to be careful.. I hope they come up with the model that will be just what you really want or to be able to decide for the money, the Futuro set is the best one.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: Tinker

                                                                                                                                        Thank you for your information the valve of Fissler is a metal not a plastic.
                                                                                                                                        That was exactly I thought and I wanted to clarify based on the list. I almost thought contacting the company.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                                                          Remember this Hobbybaker, PART is metal. I do not know what part it is but the part is METAL VERUS FAGOR'S. In the diagram in my book, it shows the entire maintenance free main control valve which you simply rinse by holding under running water and do not have to take apart to rinse and clean.. However, what I am looking at is plastic when I actually look at it on the Fissler lid.. To be honest, I wonder if any of the control valves in any pc are entirely metal. I would definitely contact the company for the complete answer on this to get a complete answer..

                                                                                                                                          1. re: Tinker

                                                                                                                                            Tinker, Thank you for the clarification. I am interested what PART it is:) I agree that the whole valve should not necessarily be metal. Plastic or silicon are not bad as they may remain cleaner and rust free etc. But frankly speaking as I said before I was a bit surprised how fragile the valve of Futuro looks and wondered how long it will last. (Futuro's valve looks different from Duo and Elite at least at Fagor website. Did you take a look at your Fagor's? ) I can almost break some corners of if I am not careful. As pcs are more complex than the other pots/pans, I scrutinize like this as I understand the valve is the "Heart" of a pc.

                                                                                                                                            Luckily, the handles of my futuro are not damaged at all but as I said, I kind of understand why many people complaind broken handles etc at Amazon. The way the handles are mounted are totally different than Fissler. I do not blame/compalin Fagor. I just want to understand where the price difference comes. It still looks it is a good budget alternative.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                                                              With any pressure cooker you need to figure out a good safe place to store the lid, both temporarily while cooking, and when not in use. Usually I set it down, upside down. The lid is the working part, and needs to treated with care.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                Paulj. Thanks. the upside down is recommended in the Futuro manual, too. Have you seen the valve of your Fagor? Is this all plastic or some part is metal?

                                                                                                                                                1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                                                                  It is mostly plastic, with a metal spring of course. The whole thing is about an inch in diameter and an inch tall. The control knob is integral with the value. I wouldn't want a metal control know that could get as hot as the steam inside. The lid interlock mechanism is mostly plastic as well.

                                                                                                                                                  The valve opening on the inside of the lid is metal.

                                                                                                                                                  I don't see why there would be any problem with plastic parts. They aren't going to get any dirtier than metal ones. There isn't anything, metal or plastic, that should be banged or forced.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                    Paul, thanks your response. I agree on the plastic control knob and benefit of cleaness. They are good stuff, but what bothers me is that the valve opening on the inside is plastic and it has three short thin plastic bars sticking outward, just like a ship's steering handle. (Hope you understand what I am saying.. ) It doesn't look like solid to me. I hope I overconcern, but I suspect it creates the moisture escaping etc, which the poster at Macy's website complained... I guess this structure of Futuro is different than other Fagor pcs as its valve is Easy-Cleanining Valve and steam releasing to upwards not towards the side of valve as the other Fagor models do.

                                                                                                                                                    I have just found this interesting blog on PIP. cooking just for 2 person's pot roast in 23qt pressure cooker. Interesting. It implys I might need a only one 6.7 qt fissler.
                                                                                                                                                    http://voodoolily.blogspot.com/2010/0...

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                                                                      Are these bars on the inside (underside) of the lid, or inside the valve structure (when disassembled)?

                                                                                                                                                      For what it's worth, here's a page with manuals for various Fagor cookers, including cleaning instructions

                                                                                                                                                      http://www.fagoramerica.com/my_fagor/...

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                                                        paulj, thanks. it is the inside of the valve structure. It is the most inner (smallerst) part of the spring valve. The three bars must clike into the lid to control the pressure, so this is really the critical parts and I am not yet quite comfortable with the fact that this part is made of totally plastic. I will throw this concern to CS of Fagor and ask how long they expect the part to last under normal frequencies of usage.

                                                                                                                                                      2. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                                                                        Hobbybaker, in my opinion 6 to 8 quarts/liters is the best size for a first (or an only) pressure cooker. Smaller ones aren't as versatile. The wide diameter of my shallow 4-quart Fagor is great for certain dishes, but if I had to have just one pressure cooker, that wouldn't be the one. Anything I can make in it can also be made in a pot that's taller and slightly narrower--but not vice versa.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Miss Priss

                                                                                                                                                          Yes, Mis priss. Futuro's 4qt's diameter is even 1 inch shorter than Duo's. One benefit I can think of having a 4qt is easiness of cleaning. Also, maybe time to reach appropriate pressure is shorter than using 4qt. Is it true?

                                                                                                                                                          if I cook 2 cups of dry grains, most probably I will use PIP anyway (so that the grain does not scorch on the bottom), which means it does not matter much either 4 qt or 6qt. Miss priss, do you cook Dals (lentils but not lentil soups) with pressure cooker? Do you use PIP for cooking Dals? Can I cook Dals with the 2.7qt (not pip NOT PIP but directly with the pan)? I ask about beans before but I am not sure about Dals. I should have asked you at the same time. I still suspect 2.7qt is nice to have to prepare certain side dishes only for two people, like dals and potatoes. if the price difference of the set vs one 6.7qt pot is just $40-50 and if I can use it for Dals. I love dals. it is great if I cook them whith much shorter time.

                                                                                                                                                          Miss Priss, how do you think of the shape of the vitavit premium/confort? The upper diameter is longer than the bottom diameter, which looks like windosor pot type of shape.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                                                                            sorry for my typo. I meant was 6 qt pc needs more time than 4 qt to reach the appropriate pressure?

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                                                                              Hobbybaker, I don't think a 4-quart PC will reach pressure very much faster than a 6-quart, assuming there's the same amount of food in each. Where I do see (or think I see) a difference is between my 2-liter one and my 5-liter one; but even there, it isn't dramatic. In answer to your question about dals, I haven't tried to make them in the PC, but I believe Indian cooks typically do so (that is, they do NOT use the pot-in-pot method). I often make risotto directly in my PC and haven't had any problems with scorching, though of course risotto tends to be wetter than other rice dishes. As for the Vitavit models that you mentioned: all other things being equal, I personally wouldn't go for that Windsor-y shape, as it doesn't seem to confer any advantage and necessarily results in a smaller bottom surface area, as well as a taller pot, compared to straight-sided pots of the same capacity (since, for example, the top diameter of the 6-liter model is the standard 22 cm). I like to have as much surface area as possible for initially sweating or browning ingredients. Hope this helps!

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Miss Priss

                                                                                                                                                                Ms priss, assume I want to cook a recipe for 6 people which is based on the use of 6qt pc. However, I find for 6 people is too much just for us two, so I want to cook only half but still use 6qt pc. How do you modify cooking time? Half or not at all?

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                                                                                                                  Hobbybaker, apart from large pieces of meat (roasts, whole chickens, etc.), where cooking time is calculated by the pound, it generally isn't necessary to adjust the cooking time when you change the quantity. Though I suppose that if you cooked a very small amount of food in a large cooker, there might be a risk of scorching, just as with regular stovetop cooking.

                                              2. For those of you with European brands, what is the pressure rating (printed or stamped on the bottom)?

                                                My Fagor has 1.05bar (operating), 1.6bar max

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                                                1. re: paulj

                                                  Fissler has 1.5 bar, paulj. I thought it was less than the Fagor from research I did but read on. . Kuhn Rikon is lower 1.2 and WMF is also 1.5. Fagor Duo is 1.02 which I was surprised at!!!!. I found that under Pressure Cooker World site one day. I guess the chart is correct. The above is the bar max I assume. The chart gave the psi listings next to the above also per cooker. It mentioned they had to be European union certified or CE certified that is. You probably know all about this. Where did you find your information for the Fagor 1.05 bar (operating)? Anyhow, these pc are the only ones I have information on. Hopefully others will let you know what pressure ratings their pc have.

                                                  1. re: Tinker

                                                    The 2 numbers I cited are printed on the bottom of my pot (Fagor Elite). Without actually doing the math I think 1.05bar = 15psi, since 1bar is something like 14.5psi. 1bar is roughly atmospheric pressure, though the actual value is a nice round metric pressure value (Pascals).

                                                    I think the 1.05 is determined by the regulator spring and gasket. The higher number (1.6) probably is the result of testing the body and lid under controlled conditions. In other words, if the various safety features fail, the cooker will retain its integrity at least up to this point.

                                                    1. re: paulj

                                                      Paulj, just FYI. The numbers of Futuro are identical to Elite. I have just checked the bottom.

                                                      1. re: paulj

                                                        The Fissler I have only has "1.5 bar" printed in the metal on the bottom of pc. I am glad you brought this subject up, paulj. I understand your explanation of the two numbers now. Your knowledge is very good concerning pressure cookers.

                                                      2. re: Tinker

                                                        Tinker: I found that under Pressure Cooker World site one day. I guess the chart is correct.
                                                        Which site? Could you tell me the link? Thanks.

                                                        1. re: hobbybaker

                                                          Pressure Cooker World.com first site brought up actually.

                                                          1. re: Tinker

                                                            I am replying to my own questions nearly/please excuse. I can not add on above to my brief, for once, note to you.. This is something I ran across the other day that I forgot to mention. I probably was looking for a steamer insert that day when I found where Kuhn Rikon pressure cookers warranty is only honored IF you buy from a registered dealer. It is under Kuhn Rikon Registration(try and key that in) I believe I remember. These European make pressure cookers may have restrictions that need to be found BEFORE buying from any company. I bought one for a song and probably better be thankful it is ok. I bet this is why their pressure cookers are the same price almost everywhere you search. They have a control on these cookers. I looked and even called until I ran one down for much less money. Cross your fingers for me if I ever need to send it in. I need to start making more proper type notes if I am going to give out information on this board so please forgive me for not having adequate backup data to tell you where I am finding these alarming notices. I will try better from now on. I hope Hobbybaker found what she needed. I had an appointment and had to rush out of here before I could search for the information she needed even. Sorry about that, Hobbybaker..

                                                            1. re: Tinker

                                                              Just a note about the pressure cooker. Today I fixed the pressure cooker barbecued chicken and it really turned out great. I knew the 3.5 pressure cooker was too small so used the 6 quart. I had not written anything lately so thought I would add this to this thread. Wondered if Hobbybaker had received her book she ordered to read up on recipes, use of pressure cooker help etc. Hopefully we will find out Hobbybaker if you like the book.

                                                              1. re: Tinker

                                                                Did you use liquid smoke with the chicken?

                                                                1. re: paulj

                                                                  Yes I used liquid smoke. The only thing I changed from instructions was the method for browning chicken called for in the pc. I switched to a regular nonstick fry pan to speed it up. Even though pc interior bottom was hot when I added oil and let it get warm enough to notice chicken being added to the pot sound, I noticed the chicken parts were trying to stick. Too much trouble. So I switched to a large frypan and could even add more at one time than I could in the 6 quart pc bottom. I love the taste of the sauce also. Found recipe in the Miss Vickie's Big Book of Pressure Cooker Recipes under Rainy Day Barbecued Chicken. Loved the taste of the chicken, paulj.

                                                                  1. re: Tinker

                                                                    Last night on television we watched a Kuhn Rikon pressure cooker being manufactured. I really enjoyed every minute of seeing how it was put together even. The heat pressure for the aluminum disk and final bottom part. Then the lip of the pan and the exterior polishing. Then the top lid was next shown being manufactured including showing the inserts and explaining what each was actually for and where they were placed within the ss top. I now know that they are certainly made well worth the money. Last the sticker was applied with the name showing as a KUHN RIKON. I certainly hope others of our group may have seen this last evening or have had the chance to view this spectacular show some other time.

                                                                    1. re: Tinker

                                                                      It's been a while since I bought the Fagor Futuro. I just want to tell everyone thank you for the inputs and follow up my saga. I ended up with returning it to Macy's the other day because I am moving to a small town in Germany and needless to say, then, buying a fissler pc there is the best for me.. currently very busy to sort things, especially cookware and cookbooks, what to bring or give up etc. When settled down, I will buy a fissler's newer model and tell you guys how I feel. Again, thank you all!

                                                                      1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                        Good luck with your move, hobbybaker! Once you get things organized in your new home, it'll be easy to find a great pressure cooker at a nice price.

                                                                        1. re: hobbybaker

                                                                          Thanks so much for keeping us informed of the Fagor Futuro. The fissler pc is a great quality pc. Please let us know when you buy one and all concerning it. Good luck on your move and what a thrilling time you must be looking forward to traveling and living in a completely new location. Take care and get back to us when you have time.

                                                                          1. re: Tinker

                                                                            I wonder what has happened with Hobbybaker. Hopefully we will hear from her again to see if she purchased the Fissler pc in Germany. I have been thinking it is almost time to get back into serious cooking. Summer hot here and we have been just preparing light meals. I am looking forward to doing a pc of white Northern beans in about a month or so also. Meanwhile wondering if anyone has bought any more pressure cookers lately and the result of it.

                                                                            1. re: Tinker

                                                                              I just got the two-piece Fagor Futuro set -- my very first PC. It's relatively compact and I love the short handles and interchangeability of all the pieces -- tested it on risotto this past wkend, using the pot to first brown the onions and rice -- and worked well (this, btw, was my first risotto attempt too!). The two sizes and shapes are PERFECT.

                                                                              But pretty cheaply made (first set came with the handle broken so I had to send it back -- it wasn't packaged well by the manufacturer or the shipper, but apparently broken handles have been a chronic problem). Also, a little bit of steam leaks out of one of thehandles right before it hits the pressure level. Upon more research, I learned that the Kuhn Rikon barely leaks any steam at all by design, which reportedly preserves more of the vitamins etc. Were the KR to come in the same shapes/sizes, I'd pay the premium for the KR and its ability to lock in more of the steam.. but given the whole package, I think the Fagor was right for me.

                                                                              I just wish they had a version with much less plastic. Even the KR, which I got to see in person, looks and feels kinda cheap on the plasticky parts.

                                                                              1. re: iyc_nyc

                                                                                Metal parts will be too hot to handle when the cooker is at pressure.

                                                                                1. re: paulj

                                                                                  My Fagor pc has steam that escapes on the top immediately at full pressure. I use electric stove and they are more difficult to control pc with. I quickly reduce heat or actually most of the time have another burner on lower heat so I can move the pc to it immediately when this occurs. You must be careful when you lift the pc over to the other burner however so you do not burn hands. By moving the pc you can lower pressure to where it should be so contents do not cook too rapidly. KR is a little less on the steam escaping than the Fagor I have noticed. Am I correct on all this, paulj?

                                                                                  1. re: Tinker

                                                                                    Tinker, do you have a little bit of steam leaking out of the bottom of the handle, from the crack where it attaches to the metal part of the lid? This is happening to mine, right before the pot comes to pressure -- once it comes to pressure and i lower the heat, the steam that leaked out from this crack evaporates and there's no more leakage.

                                                                                    1. re: iyc_nyc

                                                                                      Not that I remember. This may be occuring before the gasket is expanded by steam pressure to fill the small gap in that area of lid and gasket. I would go online to Fagor and get their telephone number and call them. The telephone number may be in your manual also. I have dealt with them before and they are very helpful. You will want to get their advice on this matter. I also ordered one insert I did not have to lift a metal faberware bowl from another pc. You may have one of these baskets with your set. I found the bowl to be very helpful when I am cooking very small amounts that I do not want to take the chance of any water getting into. I place the bowl into the basket and steam away. Just another idea for you. Custards cook great in these old bowls or you can find them cheap at some of the cookware factories. One of our members explained way back in this group of comments ideas using metal bowls in pc I believe. Check back and see if it is within.

                                                                                      1. re: Tinker

                                                                                        great - just seeing this, belated thanks!

                                                      3. I just finished reading these posts trying to decide if our second PC should 3.5qt or 5qt. Thanks for everyone's comments. I think I'm leaning toward the smaller one (probably a KR), since we have a large 8qt Fissler Blue Point. For people who were looking at Fissler, I recommend them. They're easy to get from Amazon. The valve on ours didn't work quite right (steam came out while cooking, which isn't supposed to happen) but we called support and they sent a new one at no cost. We tried ordering a Fagor first, but after TWO of them had broken handles in shipping we decided we weren't impressed with the build quality or packaging and that we should step up in price to get better quality. Sounds like other people on this forum had similar problems with breaking handles on Fagor.

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                                                        1. re: jimthefrog

                                                          Jim, glad to hear back from another person using Fissler other than Tinker. As you read, I once bought Fagor but ended up returning it. I have not yet landed yet in Europe but I am going to buy a fissler or KR when I will really settle down. My set of Fagor futuro was just fine with no defects but when I saw fissler in person, I clearly saw the difference ( and ofcourse fissler is more expensive.). I am still admit that Fagor is a good affordable option but based on the availability of service and support funcions in Europe, I am more for Fissler or KR. I am looking forward to hearing from you how you feel about the difference of Fissler and KR when you get a smaller PC, maybe from KR. Please keep us posted!

                                                          1. re: hobbybaker

                                                            It's hard to go wrong with Kuhn Rikon. In the USA I think we generally have larger burners/coils in our stoves then what is typically found in Europe based on my limited time living in Germany and the Netherlands with travel to other parts of Europe. I think this is why KR makes their pressure cooker pots a little narrower.

                                                            The WMF Perfect Plus I'm currently using is a little wider which I really like and it fits the larger coil on the stove better. Pressure doesn't seem to go as high so, cook times are a little longer. Ergonomics seem to be slightly better then the KR with its base heavy stability and comfy handles (not that the KR handles are bad but, the WMF are better).

                                                            1. re: Sid Post

                                                              Sid, thanks for your report! By the way, the Kuhn-Rikon 7-liter cooker and the WMF 4.5-liter cooker both claim to have have the same diameter: 22 cm. (For the K-R, see the specs on the manufacturer's website; and for the WMF, check the "technical details" shown in its Amazon.uk listing.) In fact, 22 cm. seems to be the most common diameter for European pressure cookers with capacities of 4 to 6.5 liters, whatever the brand. However, the aluminum disc on the bottom of the K-R doesn't extend all the way to the walls of the pot. Could that be why the WMF is a better match for your burners?

                                                            2. re: hobbybaker

                                                              Finally got around to reporting on the Khun Rikon 3.5qt. We were afraid it might be too small for regular use, but it's just right for cooking rice, veggies, and other things for our family of four. The 8qt Fissler gets used for larger main dishes. At first we thought there was something wrong with KR because it didn't come up to pressure and lock as easily as the Fissler, but then we figured out that you can just pull up on the top and it pops into pressure. (They say not to do this, but I don't know why. It's a handy trick that works great for us.)

                                                              1. re: jimthefrog

                                                                Thanks for the report on the 3.5 liter Kuhn-Rikon. I now have a 3.3-liter Magefesa Practika Plus that sort of fell into my lap for free, and have found it to be a very handy size. I use it both as a pressure cooker and as a regular saucepan.

                                                          2. I have the 3.5 liter Kuhn Rikon, and would not designate/consider it as a "sauce pan" --- at least not the traditional shape one that I have, though I know that KR does also make lower profile (saute-pan-shaped) pressure cookers.

                                                            There are only 2 people in our household and so this size is perfect for us. It's used regularly to make soups, cook beans, and of course rice. IMHO the time saved in bean cooking is worth the price of the pressure cooker all by itself.

                                                            I'm ambivalent about how veggies come out in it, but I prefer steaming as first choice anyhow. We're vegetarian and so I can't speak to the question of using this size for meat dishes, sorry.

                                                            The one thing we don't use it for is to make stock, because IMO it just can't duplicate the results of long simmering in pressure-cooker-length time.

                                                            We also hand-wash all pots, which is another reason why we wanted the smaller size rather than the larger. Those things are HEAVY!