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I need help with Ice Cream stabilizers...

bytesizekelly Mar 18, 2010 08:45 PM

I have been making ice cream at home for awhile and have the 10 year "plan" of opening my own ice cream shop. With that, I have been researching the possibility of switching to stabilizers instead of eggs. I know that I could use gum arabic, sodium alginate, guar gum, xanthan, carrageenan, corn starch, so on and so forth...and as far as I've deduced the three that I am most interested in getting input and advice on are gum arabic, sodium alginate, and guar gum. I have read quite a few posts on this sort of topic but it has honestly gotten me nowhere because none of the posts answer the questions I have:

Where can I find these stabilizers as a regular person with no ordering power?
HOW do I use them? (ratios, cooking methods, etc...I have NO experience with them at all)

I was also wondering if I could possibly use tapioca starch instead? Again, how much would I use? Could I make starch out of tapioca pearls?

Thanks in advance for your help! I look forward to reading your responses!

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  1. lestblight RE: bytesizekelly Mar 18, 2010 09:10 PM

    thank you for posting this.. i am equally interested.

    1. ipsedixit RE: bytesizekelly Mar 18, 2010 09:38 PM

      Try these




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      1. re: ipsedixit
        bytesizekelly RE: ipsedixit Mar 19, 2010 06:19 AM

        Thanks for the links! They are very helpful. Do you know what the active ingredients are, though? Like I said, I want to be able to know what I'm putting into the product before I feed it to people...I didn't know if maybe you had worked with any of the ones you listed or knew what the particular ingredients were. Thanks again!

        1. re: bytesizekelly
          ipsedixit RE: bytesizekelly Mar 19, 2010 06:56 AM

          I have not worked with those stabilizers. Your best bet would be to contact the manufacturers directly.

          Good luck.

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        wattacetti RE: bytesizekelly Mar 19, 2010 10:57 AM

        You can also add le Sanctuaire (http://www.le-sanctuaire.com) and L'Épicerie (http://www.lepicerie.com). To start Martin Lersch at Khymos (http://.blog.khymos.org) has some ideas in his recipe collection, including a starter recipe with xanthan.

        By the way, you forgot Gellan.

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        1. re: wattacetti
          bytesizekelly RE: wattacetti Mar 19, 2010 11:12 AM

          What's Gellan?

          1. re: bytesizekelly
            wattacetti RE: bytesizekelly Mar 19, 2010 12:19 PM

            It's another emulsifier/stabiliizer, which you can use to make fluid gels or work up into ice cream. Quite versatile stuff.

            You'd have to be careful on the ice cream part, as Blumenthal for instance has used Gellan to make a sorbet that he flambéed (it can indeed be used to make a non-melting ice cream).

        2. ChefJune RE: bytesizekelly Mar 19, 2010 12:50 PM

          a lot of people won't eat ice cream with that apcray in it. If you are intending to produce a premium ice cream, your best bet is to stay with eggs.

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          1. re: ChefJune
            Will Owen RE: ChefJune Mar 19, 2010 10:51 PM

            We participated once in an episode of a cooking show that featured several ice creams, a few of which while basically nicely flavored had the texture of cold gumdrops, very off-putting. One of the chefs told us that he used as little stabilizer (xanthan gum in his case) as possible; he had to use some, given the time under hot lights on TV, but he said he never used any in his restaurant.

          2. lestblight RE: bytesizekelly Mar 24, 2010 09:02 AM


            can you keep me posted on your progress with the stabilizers?

            also.. what kind of ice cream maker do you use?



            1. The Professor RE: bytesizekelly Aug 15, 2010 08:04 PM

              I don't know about arabic or guar, but Xanthan is very easily available in the supermarkets I shop at (ShopRite, Stop&Shop, Foodtown, Pathmark). Sells for around 7.99 for what I think is a 1lb bag.

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                Wildtowner RE: bytesizekelly Aug 17, 2010 12:25 PM

                I have a new source for Cremodan 30 stabilizer: Sotiros Foods (http://sotirosfoodsinc.com/). I found them because "icaffe", recommended below, seems to be out of business.
                Sotiros are MUCH less expensive than places like L'Epicier, they will sell to home cooks, and they are very nice to deal with. The only drawback is that they're not fully web-operational -- once you find what you want in their on-line catalog, you'll need to telephone them and speak to their internet sales guy, Glynn. The whole process only takes about a week from phone call to receipt of product if you're quick to send in your check.

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