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GretchenS Mar 15, 2010 08:45 AM

So the cod from my fish share this week had some little worms in it. I thought I had pulled them all out but after lovingly making cod cakes yesterday I found two more little worms on the plate next to said cod cakes and just couldn't bring myself to eat any. Am I crazy / unneccessarily squeamish???

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    Afrodesia Mar 15, 2010 09:13 AM

    Welp, worms in fish are common...swordfish being a typical worm farm. If you can see the worms they aren't typically parasitic but very off-putting. The worms die at high heat, as do parasitic worms but I urge you to do a little research to educate yourself as there a re quite a few parasites that infest/infect food items.
    The choice whether you want to eat them is yours from a squeamish standpoint but if you eat fish with ANY regularity, you have doubtlessly eaten worms. I'm sure most people wouldn't voluntarily ingest them but we tend to ignore the things we can't obviously see.

    My husband (a microbiologist) and I (a chef) have discussions at length about these types of things and, believe me, we have very different points of view on food in-general. He's a well-done meat kinda guy & I am a med-rare. Its all in the comfort level.
    But of course, I'm always right.

    1. Perilagu Khan Mar 15, 2010 09:25 AM

      Worms in cod, eh?

      No more cod for da' Khan.

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        buttertart Mar 15, 2010 01:25 PM

        T'were ever thus. I worked in a fish and chips shop when I was at UCB a good while ago and the owner was forever removing them from the planks of frozeen Icelandic cod we used. Little round things. Yuk. Still ate/eat the fish, though!

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          Perilagu Khan Mar 15, 2010 02:09 PM

          You're a braver "man" than me, Gunga Din.

          If it has a rep for harboring worms, then I'm quitsville. And if that means I have to forego all fish, so be it.

          Incidentally, are worms more of a problem with ocean fish, or are they present in freshwater fish as well? I'd really hate to give up trout, catfish and salmon.

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            buttertart Mar 15, 2010 02:45 PM

            I kinda sorta think they're endemic.

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              Perilagu Khan Mar 15, 2010 03:03 PM

              Well, we need to clear this up. Are there any worm-resistent fish?

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                ipsedixit Mar 15, 2010 03:16 PM

                If you weren't squeamish before, then definitely do NOT read this.

                http://hubpages.com/hub/Consuming-Raw...

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                  Perilagu Khan Mar 16, 2010 08:38 AM

                  Beginning to sound like I'm going to give up fish. And that blows rocks.

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                    Sooeygun Mar 16, 2010 08:42 AM

                    The photos with that article have nothing to do with sushi. completely unrelated to eating raw fish.

                    http://www.snopes.com/photos/medical/...

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                gloriousfood Mar 16, 2010 07:10 AM

                Fyi, Khan, I have found worms in salmon.

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            Snorkelvik Mar 15, 2010 11:31 AM

            Last year I returned some cod to whole foods that had worms in it. I knew the guy was right when we said that they are normally in there and they try to remove all and that it wouldn't hurt me, but I couldn't bring myself to eat it. So I don't think you are unnecessarily squeamish.

            And in my mind, it's a big difference to say, "hey you've eaten them countless times and didn't realize it" to "here it is next to your freshly made codfish cakes, just ignore it and keep eating".

            I'm curious to hear what others think.

            1. janetms383 Mar 15, 2010 11:37 AM

              I've found worms in locally caught Halibut. Bought some fresh, squeezed a little lemon juice on it and bang, the buggers were crawling out of the woodwork.
              Monger told me it's very common in fish, but ..... yuck.

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                Snorkelvik Mar 15, 2010 11:52 AM

                did you eat it after removing the worms?

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                tomishungry Mar 15, 2010 03:01 PM

                I've read the deep sea fish don't typically have parasites and worms.

                Otherwise sushi fish would be way too dangerous to eat.

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                  buttertart Mar 16, 2010 06:01 AM

                  What fish are you defining as deep sea? Just curious. Cod (not that there's a lot of it out there anymore, sadly) is pretty much a deep sea fish, isn't it?

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                    Indirect Heat Mar 16, 2010 03:14 PM

                    Sushi-grade fish sold in the U.S. must be frozen to kill the parasites. Even in the fancy sushi places, the fish was flash frozen on a boat, to preserve freshness, and to kill any worms.

                    I've seen academic science papers where scientists troll through sushi restaurants, and count how many worms they can find in the fish. In almost every case they find worms in the sushi, but they're dead worms.

                    All this talk of sushi has me hungry. Might have to go out for sushi tonight!

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                    emilief Mar 15, 2010 03:55 PM

                    OMG. I made swordfish for dinner and sould hardly swallow it after reading this thread! UGH.

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                    1. re: emilief
                      Perilagu Khan Mar 16, 2010 08:38 AM

                      Kind of took all the pleasure out of it, didn't it? :(

                    2. E Eto Mar 16, 2010 08:45 AM

                      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/302096

                      1. Perilagu Khan Mar 17, 2010 08:31 AM

                        Is it true that farmed fish is far less likely to have worms than wild caught?

                        Are ocean fish ever farmed?

                        And does tilapia have a reputation for harboring worms?

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                        1. re: Perilagu Khan
                          Indirect Heat Mar 17, 2010 11:40 AM

                          In order, No. Yes. Yes.

                          Basically, if you haven't done something to your fish to sterilize it (i.e. flash freeze it, cook it), you have to potential for worms.

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                          rizzo0904 Mar 17, 2010 08:39 AM

                          does haddock have this issue as well?

                          1. mcf Mar 17, 2010 10:51 AM

                            Great. I just got my copy of "Fish Without a Doubt" in the mail today. Bleah.

                            1. Ernie Diamond Mar 17, 2010 12:02 PM

                              Whether you shop at the corner market or Whole Foods, Applebees or Per Se, everything worth eating is going to have worms, parasites, bacteria, spider eggs, banana lice, chicken pox, beef cancer, broccoli feces and fish herpes. Hell, last time I was in France, my family was fighting over who got to eat the little Pea Crabs when they turned up in the odd oyster.

                              My suggestion is to not panic over the little beasties and to go with your gut, literally. As unpleasant as it sounds, your body is an ecosystem and while you don't want to open yourself to all comers, it is likely able to manage perfectly well on its own when you get the odd hitchiker.

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                                Perilagu Khan Mar 17, 2010 12:27 PM

                                But it's not the health issue that bothers me. Frankly, I don't give a damn about that. What I cannot stomach--so to speak--is a visible worm (dead or alive) on my plate. To me, that is self-evidently repulsive and sufficient reason to forego the offending food item.

                                PS--I've done some cursory reasearch and it seems that farmed fish are far less likely to contain parasites than wild caught fish. Fish farmers use anti-parasitics in their water and also manage to keep the birds away that are most responsble for introducing vermin into the fish's ecosystem. So at this point my go/no go criterion will be the wild caught/farmed divide.

                                1. re: Perilagu Khan
                                  EWSflash Mar 17, 2010 01:31 PM

                                  I wouldn't bet too heavily on either side. Farmed salmon are famous for having fish lice, whether they're internal or external the close quarters they're raised in boosts the potential exponentially.

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                                    Perilagu Khan Mar 17, 2010 01:55 PM

                                    But presumably fish lice would be cleaned off long before the fish reached my shopping cart. I'm not crazy about eating fish that has ever had a parasite, but that is a considerably lesser evil than fish still containing the little bastards, dead or alive.

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                                      EWSflash Sep 17, 2010 09:35 PM

                                      You got that right!

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                                    Ernie Diamond Mar 17, 2010 02:12 PM

                                    I suppose that a fundamental rift will exist between those who would rather eat a chemical-free fish with worms (me) and those who would rather eat a fish treated with "anti-parasitics." Something about that last category smacks of the artificial.

                                    From a health standpoint, if I don't know what the chemical is or how it will affect me, I won't eat it.

                                    1. re: Ernie Diamond
                                      Perilagu Khan Mar 17, 2010 02:24 PM

                                      To each his own.

                                      "Artificiality" doesn't cause my gorge to rise, and I'm perfectly willing to swallow the "risk" of occasionally ingesting trace chemicals.

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                                        Indirect Heat Mar 17, 2010 03:19 PM

                                        And yet, one wonders why they're treating them with anti-parasitics... Probably because they're prone to getting parasites... I'd be curious as to how well the treatment works. Most chronic anti-infectives lose effectiveness extremely rapidly. (Granted, I'm more familiar with human anti-infectives, but the principle still holds).

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                                          Perilagu Khan Mar 17, 2010 03:26 PM

                                          My understanding is that the farmers treat the water rather than the fish themselves.

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                                            Indirect Heat Mar 17, 2010 03:29 PM

                                            Doesn't really matter, if you're putting antibiotics/anti-parasitics in the water or in the animal. They'll lose effectiveness in a relatively short time as mutants crop up that are immune.

                                            And really, I would expect all medications administered to fish would go in the water -any fish vets out there ;-) ?. Rather easier than giving them pills or shots, and not that different from putting it in the food.

                                            1. re: Indirect Heat
                                              Perilagu Khan Mar 17, 2010 06:17 PM

                                              Regardless of efficaciousness or method of administration, at least steps are taken with farmed fish, and I don't think the farmers would be spending the money if it didn't accomplish something. And by accomplish something, I don't mean reassure the parasiphobes like me who have dug into the issue and done a little research.

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                                                mcf Mar 17, 2010 08:32 PM

                                                From what I understand, tilapia in particular are raised in disgusting conditions of filth and excrement. And taste like it. I won't touch it. I don't want to eat chemical laden fish nor do I want that pollution in the waters any more than I want worms crawling on my plate.

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                                                  Perilagu Khan Mar 18, 2010 07:42 AM

                                                  Sounds like a gross exaggeration. I've eaten plenty of tilapia and never has it tasted like "filth and excrement." If it did, I don't think it would be as popular as it is.

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                                                    mcf Mar 18, 2010 07:48 AM

                                                    Not all, but quite a lot of it has an icky texture and muddy taste. There are discussions about this on these boards.

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                                                      gloriousfood Mar 18, 2010 02:10 PM

                                                      I have to say I've given up on tilapia after about the 3rd time of trying it and kept getting that horrible taste. This was before I knew anything about its habitat, etc. Can't describe the taste, but yeah, "filth and excrement" sounds just about right. Ick.

                                                      1. re: gloriousfood
                                                        Indirect Heat Mar 18, 2010 04:41 PM

                                                        Some of my favourite things live in filth and excrement. Pork. Catfish. Mushrooms.

                                                        Love it!

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                                                          mcf Mar 18, 2010 05:28 PM

                                                          Yes, but not all of those end up tasting like filth and excrement. Not an unimportant distinction, IMO. ;-)

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                                                            gloriousfood Mar 19, 2010 05:39 AM

                                                            What you said.

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                                                              Island Sep 19, 2010 07:57 PM

                                                              Ahhh how foolish of me to have opened this thread! I'm with you MCF about the talapia. Never had it and never will after seeing an episode of Dirtiest Jobs that was at a fish farm. Can't remembr what kind of fish they were raising, but when the fish were harvested and the pond was filthy with fish waste they put talapia in to clean it. Ugh, too much info.

                                                    2. re: Perilagu Khan
                                                      Ernie Diamond Mar 18, 2010 07:43 AM

                                                      Perilagu, water treatment accomplishes overcrowding and unsanitary conditions in aquaculture to be viable production tools. The reasons fish-farmers medicate their stock is because their methods would be unsustainable otherwise. Don't assume that because a fish is worm-free that it came from a better place. I assure you that wild-caught food is more prone to certain parisites than, say Tyson Chicken but that does not mean that Tyson Chicken is a good product.

                                                      To the point of Tilapia, the reason that it is becoming such a popular fish on restaurant menus is because it can be cheaply and intensively farmed in revolting conditions. I first became aware of the fish when Biosphere II was underway. They were used as a stage in sewage treatment. Basically, all the "grey water" from the toilets was pumped into tanks where tilapia digested solid matter (feces) and allowed the water to be more quickly recycled.

                                                      If swallowing the occasional worm freaks you out, maybe you should reconsider eating meat. It's part of the deal.

                                                      1. re: Ernie Diamond
                                                        Perilagu Khan Mar 23, 2010 08:04 AM

                                                        Again, couldn't conceivably care less about chemicals and what a fish eats. Those things do not bother me in the SLIGHTEST. I hope I've made myself sufficiently clear on that.

                                                        What does bother me is individual parasites that are large enough to be visible to the naked eye. End of story.

                                                        And that being the case, I will certainly make it a point to patronize farm-raised fish and avoid wild caught. For much the same reason (and because of economics as well) organic vegetables are not on my plate.

                                                    3. re: Indirect Heat
                                                      westsidegal Mar 18, 2010 07:58 PM

                                                      you are correct.
                                                      fish medications go in the water.

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                                                        bulavinaka Mar 18, 2010 10:29 PM

                                                        The "qualities" of tilapia that makes them so attractive to be farmed is that they grow very fast and they are very hardy. Because they are so hardy, treatments and medications are used minimally - this makes them extremely attractive to farmers in countries where technology is relatively simple.

                                                        They are extremely sensitive to water temperature - typically a warm water fish (another reason they are popular with aquaculturalists in tropical/subtropical zones) - and they require additional aeration in a higher density environment. As long as the water chemistry is kept relatively stable (PH, salinity, etc.) they are pretty happy campers. No, they're not immune to disease and parasites, but compared to most other aquaculture species, they are relatively bulletproof.

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                                            marneybrown Mar 17, 2010 02:29 PM

                                            Oh ick! Its just wrong.

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                                              calikoala Mar 19, 2010 05:32 AM

                                              one thing you have to remember is that the whole situation of the worms being something that might disgust you now is that before you saw them or heard about them, you ate the fish with no negative apprehensiveness. and for the group talking about tilapia, the same thing. It is called fear and is a learned thing as you get older. When you are a little kid you are bold and dangerous but as you get older you learn that some things are dangerous and you lose the fearless mindset more and more and succumb to doing less and less. If you did it before, no reason to change you habits unless it is life threatening..
                                              live life now because it is so short and you cant live it after you are dead! lol

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                                                bulavinaka Mar 19, 2010 07:07 AM

                                                >>ive (sic) life now because it is so short and you cant live it after you are dead! lol<<

                                                The worms will have the last laugh when we die anyway. :)

                                              2. elizsafox Mar 19, 2010 06:28 AM

                                                I just ate at least a half lb. of tilapia after frying it up for some fish sticks the other day - now I'm regretting that! Come to think of it, I did think it tasted like dirt. Mine said "Farm Raised, product of Honduras" - I couldn't find any wild. Yuck! I'm off it now.

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                                                  bulavinaka Mar 19, 2010 07:13 AM

                                                  I don't know if wild-caught tilapia is going to be an option here. But in various parts of the world - including Arizona - tilapia are used in waterways to graze on invasive vegetation and detritus. This reduces the likelihood of anaerobic conditions forming as well as stabilizing PH, thereby increasing water quality. I wonder if these fish are ultimately harvested for consumption...

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                                                    BamiaWruz Sep 17, 2010 06:18 PM

                                                    I've had tilapia in yemen that looked and smelled extremely fresh. It was caught from the south and brought up to the city in the same day .... some of the best fish I've ever had cooked in the special fire burning oven after being smeared with a delicious spice paste.

                                                    I found this thread after reading another super long one last year about the same issue.. but I bought some frozen cod and was looking for some recipes .. now I kinda regret buying it but it's frozen anyway and after thawing I may inspect it and then decide what to do with it.

                                                    I've eaten fish a lot and in many countries, mostly fresh water fish and have NEVER seen a worm so I'm rather surprised to hear how common they are.

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                                                      grayelf Sep 17, 2010 09:57 PM

                                                      I prepare a fair amount of white fish at home and have only had one run in with worms. I had purchased a whack of snapper to make fish tacos with on a ski trip. Luckily, everyone else was still hillside as I speedily prepped the fish, removing the worms and disposing of them long before anyone returned. Needless to say, it was don't ask don't tell. And no one was the wiser (or sick). It wasn't a fun job but it didn't turn me off eating the food and it didn't change the taste of it.

                                                      I find both catfish and tilapia can taste muddy, which drives me nuts because when they are good they are quite sublime. I have not experienced any other unpleasant taste to these fish personally.

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                                                        EWSflash Sep 17, 2010 10:13 PM

                                                        I wish there was a "like" button for this, I'd give you a thumbs up, grayelf.

                                                        But since there isn't, I give you a thumbs up, grayelf!

                                                        1. re: EWSflash
                                                          grayelf Sep 19, 2010 06:36 PM

                                                          Why thank you! I'm not sure why this didn't make me squeamish, actually. It's not like I don't get skeeved out by things. Just today I was grimming out over dead leaves stuck to the dahlia stalks I was putting in a bouquet, go figure. Maybe it's because my dad worked for the dept of fisheries for 40 years. Oh wait, that's why I don't eat raw salmon but that's another thread :-).

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                                                  DomesticDizziness Apr 12, 2010 09:16 PM

                                                  My best friend's parents owned a seafood restaurant on the coast of New Hampshire. I worked there for a few summers. One of my jobs was to de-worm the cod that was sold fresh. (the things you'll do when you're young!) I would hold the cod up so the ceiling lights would illuminate the flesh, making it somewhat translucent. When a dark or opaque spot was found, I'd slit it open with a knife and scoop out the worm. I found that the darker parts, not always, but often would have worms in them. Or if there was a slight bloody mark there would be a worm. I never came across a piece of cod without worms. GROSS. I have never eaten cod to this day. Of course, the fish we served in meals was never de-wormed. Most fish are wormy. Swordfish is known for worms and they have these long, dark, nasty looking ones. Tuna has them but I didn't find them as often as I did in swordfish.
                                                  We also served/sold haddock, which is very popular in New England. We did not have to de-worm the haddock. Maybe someone else has a different experience, but I never found anything suspect in haddock. Hence, this is the only fish I would every buy for home consumption. I love it.
                                                  Thanks for the info on the tilapia. That is a fish which I have started eating. I can't get fresh haddock in Arizona - won't eat frozen - so I've turned to tilapia. I don't like my animals to live unhappy or unhealthy lives before I eat them ( I know, I know, the logic is flawed.....my meat guilt isn't always logical).

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                                                    walker Apr 15, 2010 11:26 AM

                                                    I knew I never should have opened this thread....I ordered fried (fresh) cod tacos at Serpentine (a really nice restaurant in San Francisco) and I couldn't stop thinking that there might be cooked worms in the cod. I only ate 1 bite and let my friend eat the rest -- of course, I did not tell him about this thread!!!! (I ate the delicious veg risotto, instead.)

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                                                    1. re: walker
                                                      Perilagu Khan Apr 15, 2010 12:04 PM

                                                      Verily, ignorance is bliss.

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                                                      depotcook Apr 18, 2010 05:54 PM

                                                      I worked in seafood processing in Alaska. Cod fish go thru a process called candling. We have tables with white plexiglass tops with flouresent lights under them, the cod fillets are placed on the candling table, the light shines thru the fillets and any worms, or bones are easily seen and removed. Once frozen to -20deg f or cooked thru to above 135deg f these worms are killed, so unless you are eating fresh cod, or other seafood raw you should not have any troubles. These worms are normal just not appetizing.

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                                                        Perilagu Khan Apr 18, 2010 07:58 PM

                                                        Do you know if candling is done to other types of fish as well?

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                                                          depotcook Apr 19, 2010 06:32 AM

                                                          Cod as in True Cod or Grey Cod, Pollock, and I think some of the flat fishes like flounder. Thick fillets as in Halibut or in the case with salmon the light will not pass thru the fillet, so you would not be able to see any bones or worms in the middle of the flesh.

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                                                            Perilagu Khan Apr 19, 2010 06:59 AM

                                                            Thank you. Looks like it's a fairly complicated process knowing which fish is "safe," if the parasites bother you in the first place, that is.

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                                                              depotcook Apr 19, 2010 09:30 AM

                                                              Like pretty much anything when properly cooked the risks are very very slight.
                                                              I tend to buy seafood from American suppliers. Seafood processed here is inspected by state and fed. inspectors. This may not add too much comfort but is far far better than what goes on in some other countries.
                                                              Not all imported seafood is bad just know where it is comming from, how it is caught and processed, ask questions, look at the lables.

                                                              1. re: depotcook
                                                                Perilagu Khan Apr 19, 2010 11:56 AM

                                                                Do you know anything about sole? Is it likely to be one of the cleaner fishes?

                                                      2. law_doc89 Oct 13, 2013 01:14 PM

                                                        http://seafood.ucdavis.edu/pubs/paras...

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                                                          youareabunny Oct 13, 2013 01:53 PM

                                                          Here is a nice lady's video of how to remove parasites.

                                                          http://www.beyondsalmon.com/2006/09/p...

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