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MarlaPR Feb 28, 2010 02:40 PM

Staying at the St. Regis and want to go and have a cocktail at the King Cole bar. What should I order?? Not wine, surely.

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    gutsofsteel Mar 1, 2010 05:59 AM

    Get a classic cocktail: a Manhattan, a martini (classic, not dirty), a negroni, an old-fashioned...

    note: a classic martini is made with GIN, not vodka.

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      small h Mar 1, 2010 06:42 AM

      A martini is made with gin. A vodka martini is made with vodka. "Classic martini" is a retronym, like rotary phone or acoustic guitar. And I'm sorry we have to resort to it.

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        MarlaPR Mar 1, 2010 07:06 AM

        Wow, I wished I had asked earlier. Ended up ordering a glass of champagne that ended up being $34. Silly, wonder where that bar menu was now.

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          small h Mar 1, 2010 07:51 AM

          Yikes! I hope it was worth it.

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            MarlaPR Mar 1, 2010 08:24 AM

            Sadly, no.

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          gutsofsteel Mar 1, 2010 10:12 AM

          A martinin is made with gin. Period. I'm sure a cocktail made with vodka and vermouth is lovely, but it isn't a martini.

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            small h Mar 1, 2010 10:17 AM

            Then what's a "classic martini"?

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              hcbk0702 Mar 1, 2010 10:52 AM

              Gin
              Dry vermouth
              Dash of orange bitters (optional)

              Cracked ice. Stir. Garnish with lemon twist.

              If you replace the gin with vodka, the cocktail is officially called a kangaroo (usually no bitters as well). Because of vodka's incredible popularity, people just referred to it as a vodka martini and the name stuck. Most cocktailians refuse to recognize that term though! Martinis require gin by definition.

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                small h Mar 1, 2010 11:36 AM

                Thanks for the info re the kangaroo. But if you put bitters in my martini, I will send it back.

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                gutsofsteel Mar 1, 2010 10:56 AM

                A ratio of 3:1 or 4:1 gin to vermouth. No bitters. Olive or lemon twist. Shaken or stirred.

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                  small h Mar 1, 2010 11:35 AM

                  Yeah, you're missing my point a little bit. I know how to make a martini. You said, at 6:59am, that "a classic martini is made with GIN, not vodka." Then, at 11:12 am, you said "A martinin (sic) is made with gin." So are you saying there's a difference between a "martini" and a "classic martini"? If so, what is it?

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                    gutsofsteel Mar 1, 2010 11:47 AM

                    In my view , a "classic" martini is one where the proportion of gin to vermouth is either 3:1 or 4:1. I recognize that a martini may also be gin with just a hint of vermouth, but this is not a "classic" martini.

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                      small h Mar 1, 2010 11:59 AM

                      Ah, thanks. That clears things up. I drink dry martinis, then, not classic martinis. I have a vague recollection of reading something a few months back about the newly popular and ultimately more "authentic" (according to the article) gin to vermouth ratio of 1:1 or 2:1.

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                        gutsofsteel Mar 1, 2010 12:13 PM

                        In my opinion, you have to taste the vermouth. If you drink a glass of gin and the vermouth is so scant as to not be discernible, that's not a martini. That's a glass of gin.

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                          hcbk0702 Mar 1, 2010 12:19 PM

                          Pegu Club's signature martini, the "Fitty Fitty", has a gin to dry vermouth ratio of 1:1, along with 2 dashes of their housemade orange bitters. Not to everyone's taste, but I like it a lot.

                          CHOW's "The Perfect Martini"
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAZj6D...

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                            small h Mar 1, 2010 12:28 PM

                            That is exactly what I half-remembered. I don't think I'd like it. I prefer that the vermouth lurk in the background, muttering quietly to itself, and not stealing the spotlight away from the gin.

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                              gutsofsteel Mar 1, 2010 12:29 PM

                              That is a "Fitty Fitty" - not a martini.

                              I have had many a martini at Pegu Club - they know the difference very well.

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              joisey al Feb 28, 2010 03:59 PM

              Wow, staying at some nice digs.....the bar is famous for their Bloody Mary's. Cheers!

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                clembeauchamp Feb 28, 2010 04:32 PM

                Yes, definitely not wine. The bloody mary is great but you probably won't go wrong with anything else. There is a cocktail menu but I am a big fan of their dirty martinis.

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