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noisejoke Feb 24, 2010 03:11 PM

Am I tilting at windmills? I feel like I've been on a sporadic, yet eternal, search for the Jewish bread and rolls of my childhood (which wasn't SO long ago). Born in Brooklyn in 1964, I mostly grew up in Nassau County. Most of my family remained here, some were in every boro but the Bronx. There was never a shortage of great bakery stuff, it was only a matter of whose was best.

I live in Kensington now and have plenty of access to Boro Park and Midwood. I can't tell you exactly what places I've visited since none have warranted a return visit. I've sampled on 18th Ave, New Utrecht, Macdonald, 13th and 14th aves. I guess I haven't really searched Kings Hwy. Just the other day I finally got to Isaac's on ave J, having seen recommendations on CH, and found it completely forgettable.

To be clear, I'm not talking about pastries and cookies. I can find a decent babkah, strudel, etc and many of those items overlap with other Eastern European bakery cuisines, so the chances are better. I generally don't bother with rugelach. I have found a palatable one here and there, which to me means a minimum of chemical aftertaste of most commercial stuff. But none are as good as my mom's and I don't expect them to be.

Certainly, I can find a hearty, chewy, flavorful rye bread at a boutique shop supplied by a high end baker. It's not EXACTLY what I want, but Grab in the South Slope, for instance, gets a great version. Maybe, it's a bit too chi-chi. I find it shocking, though, that almost every rye from an actual Jewish bakery is barely salty enough to even have flavor.

Any onion roll I come across in the Jewish areas is simply tasteless bread, with a desultory stripe of onion and poppy inside. I'm looking for an entire layer of moist onions almost enabling the roll to be cleaved by hand. The blackened onions on top should cover the whole thing, and the roll itself should be dense, yellow and moist. We used to call it a "Miami Roll" but when I ask at any Kosher place they look at me like I have two heads. I still don't know what they call the crappy rolls that do have the onion inside.

At Isaac's I asked for a salt stick, and he asked if I wanted sesame or poppy! Uh, a salt stick isn't just an oblong roll - it's egg brushed and topped with tons of caraway seeds and kosher salt. I never had poppy or sesame salt sticks. For some dumb reason I took two flavorless salt stick shaped rolls home and threw them out.

Finally, I haven't found a cornmeal rye in twenty years! Again, I ask and get blank stares and even dismissive barks. I don't make the mistake of calling it corn bread anymore. (I stopped that after visiting the South for the first time.)

Any new, or overlooked old, news would be amazing. Thanks, esteemed CHers.

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Isaac's Bake Shop
1419 Ave J, Brooklyn, NY 11230

Grab
438 7th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11215

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    Jcohen552003 RE: noisejoke Feb 24, 2010 03:28 PM

    Well i know what you are talking about.
    Lived in Rockland county for most of my life and my family in Brooklyn.
    We had a great bakery that made corn bread and the miami rolls you spoke of.
    I havent found the rolls but the bread is a staple of Rockland Bakery in Nanuet NY. They sell under the name Pecters and Rockland bakery
    They are wholesale but you can walk into the back and buy off the rack.
    They have the closest thing to an old time bakery.
    The other thing you cant find is an Onion board or Pletzel. The closet place i find it is at Rockland bakery or Kosher bakery in South Fl. The onion boards i knew of were hard with a ton of onion and poppy seeds. Very crisp and great with butter or cream cheese.
    It could be a great sat or sunday drive up to rockland. Watch the rolls come out of the oven and then cool down. Get a ton of bread and rolls and bring them home to freeze. W do all the time. There cakes are good too. I wind up spending why too much there and i live near by.

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      noisejoke RE: Jcohen552003 Feb 24, 2010 03:52 PM

      Thanks J! Who knows, maybe I'll take you up. But, I rarely find myself in Rockland. It's sad that the places I knew out on the Island are gone. And you're absolutely right about the onion board! Nobody's seems to come close, including Kossar's.

      I'm hesitant to write this, but I've been wondering if this is evidence to the diaspora of the assimilated, largely less or not religious, Jewish population that moved from the boros to the suburbs in the fifties and sixties, and is now spread too thin. Perhaps there was a not specifically kosher cuisine and culture in general that's being supplanted by more observant Jews. And perhaps they have different priorities and/or different tastes?

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        smsgojets RE: Jcohen552003 Jan 14, 2012 05:59 AM

        Where in south Florida is this bakery? What's the name? I vacation there all the time and would drive all over for some good bread. I get an Onion Board occasionally at Heartland Bagels in Staten Island but it still doesn't do it for me.

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        dmjuli RE: noisejoke Feb 24, 2010 04:05 PM

        Try Tina's in Canarsie ( Ralph ave near Foster). I think they have what you want.

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        Teena's Cake Fair
        1568 Ralph Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11236

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          Jcohen552003 RE: noisejoke Feb 24, 2010 04:15 PM

          There is one other thing that i do now because most bread stinks. There is a book Artisan Bread Baking in Five Minutes a Day. Its by Jeff Hertzberg and Zoe Francois. This is great bread. It has a few differnt doughs. There is no kneeding and you keep it in thr fridge for days and weeks at a time. You can also freeze the dough.
          Its some of the best and easist bread to make and Oh so fresh. The house smells so good. My wife loves it when i bake bread and my friends just love it.

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            jen kalb RE: Jcohen552003 Feb 24, 2010 05:19 PM

            There is a cookbook Secrets of a Jewish Baker by George Greenstein that has the type of recipes you are looking for, Miami Rolls, Pletzel, Corn Rye Bread (no corn, actually except for dusting, etc.
            Im not Jewish but agree that the range of eastern european breads available in NY has radically changed, and not for the better, in the last 30-40 years. I havent baked from this book but the author is very careful about his flours and his methods

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              noisejoke RE: jen kalb Feb 24, 2010 06:09 PM

              If only I ever lifted a fork to help out in the kitchen!

              Jen - I've read about that book before, thanks for reminding me! Found mentions online and was reminded how dense Corn Rye is! Heavy, most and sour!

              I'm running to Teena's asap!

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            foodismylife RE: noisejoke Feb 25, 2010 05:42 AM

            noisejoke
            Sorry re Isaacs i gues that was my rec
            I adore their pastries, havent had their breads
            For corn bread u have to go to Manhattan
            I guess it is called Moshes but it is on second avenue about 6th st on the west side of the street
            their corn bread is top notch

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              MoxieBoy RE: foodismylife Feb 25, 2010 08:52 AM

              I assume they are still in business...for reasonable bialies and pletzels, try the store on the east side of Coney Island Avenue, a bit north of Avenue U. I don't know if Bell's on Flatlands by E 80 St still sell retail, but worth a phone call.

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              Coney Island Bagels & Bialys
              2359 Coney Island Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11223

              Bagels by Bell
              10013 Foster Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11236

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                dmjuli RE: MoxieBoy Feb 25, 2010 11:26 AM

                Bell's moved from E 80th street a few years ago. I think they relocated to 101 st and foster.

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                  smsgojets RE: MoxieBoy Jan 14, 2012 05:53 AM

                  Bell moved to E 80th and Foster and while they now distribute worldwide, they do still sell retail there.

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                  MoxieBoy RE: foodismylife Feb 25, 2010 08:53 AM

                  But when Isaac's was Ratchick's...ah machaiyah! The best rye, eyeglasses, elephant ears, bowties with enough sugar to kill a diabetic, and rugluch almost as good as my grandmothers.

                  The deli diaspora...we Jews left Brooklyn...but never established a new place to fress with gusto. What remains, feh!

                  Show me a good appetizing store already!!! With indian nuts, shoeleather, schmaltz herring, fresh pickled herring...matchez herring...(enough with the herring already!)...joyva gel rings and two kinds of Halvah...

                  Now all you can get in a supermarket is Salsa...not seltzer. Pulkas, not pulkees. Chinese buffets. Indian Buffets. American Buffets...but not one piece of kishke...chulupshkis...kasha varnishkes. Nan, panni, si! A shtickl pumpernickel with gribbinis? Am I asking to much to close my arteries just a little sooner?

                  WE NEED GOOD BAKERIES. With the noisy bread slicers. With the boxes with the red and white string tying machines...with the black and whites. The plain vs seeds. The sugar falling off everything. The machine you push the handle for the paper number that says 39 when they are still up to 17. WE WANT THEM BACK.

                  Have a good day.

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                    foodismylife RE: MoxieBoy Feb 25, 2010 09:35 AM

                    moxie boy you are breaking my heart some of this stuff is still available but just not in one place
                    ah the joyva jells and the chocolate covered halavah
                    gribbines go to sammy's rumanian my son had his bar mitzvah there
                    russ and daughters is still a great treasure
                    in newark hobby's is a wonderful deli
                    they even have a sandwich place in the new prudential center
                    herring go to acme on fridays when they sell retail in greenpoint
                    Flatbush was and is still the world in my memory bank
                    do you remember when a deli wrapped the mustard in wax cones?
                    Forget sushi, that is what a hand roll should be.

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                    Acme Smoked Fish
                    30 Gem St, Brooklyn, NY 11222

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                      BrooklynBigApple RE: MoxieBoy Mar 15, 2010 01:24 PM

                      MoxieBoy said: "WE NEED GOOD BAKERIES. With the noisy bread slicers. With the boxes with the red and white string tying machines...with the black and whites. The plain vs seeds. The sugar falling off everything. The machine you push the handle for the paper number that says 39 when they are still up to 17. WE WANT THEM BACK."

                      I know this is under "Jewish Bakeries" but just like Levy's Rye Bread used to advertise "You don't have to be Jewish to love Levy's", maybe you don't have to be German to love Rudy's Konditorei (a/ka Rudy's Pastry Shop) in Ridgewood, Queens, on Seneca Ave. immediately north of Myrtle Ave., reachable by car, M & L subways and a myriad of Brooklyn and Queens buses that terminate in Ridgewood. It's got just about everything MoxieBoy is looking for.
                      I go there instead of Teena's in Canarsie, where I still live; the difference is palpable in atmosphere & taste. Also try their apple strudel, cheesecake or Bienenstich (Don't know what that is; ask there; they're friendly)

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                      Teena's Cake Fair
                      1568 Ralph Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11236

                      Rudy's Pastry Shop
                      905 Seneca Ave, Queens, NY 11385

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                        MoxieBoy RE: BrooklynBigApple Mar 16, 2010 09:17 AM

                        YOU LIVE NEAR TEENA'S? I lived on E 77th by Ralph Ave for 8 years! I didn't know they could still stay in business until now! Is the kosher supermarket there?

                        I remember getting my GI Joe "Action Figure" at the Pancake House on the corner back around 1964. Oy...how it changed.

                        And the bialies...the one thing my wanted to stay for.

                  2. bobjbkln RE: noisejoke Feb 25, 2010 07:56 AM

                    «I finally got to Isaac's on ave J, having seen recommendations on CH, and found it completely forgettable.» So close, and yet so far. For bread there is no place like Ostrovitsky Heimishe Bakery 1124 Avenue J, Brooklyn, NY. Best time to go is early Sunday morning (we got the last 2 lb seeded rye left at 10 AM).

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                    Ostrovitsky Bakery
                    1124 Ave J, Brooklyn, NY 11230

                    Isaac's Bake Shop
                    1419 Ave J, Brooklyn, NY 11230

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                      jen kalb RE: bobjbkln Feb 25, 2010 12:04 PM

                      it used to be possible to get good breads in the stores on Brighton Beach Ave. Has anyone explored those places recently?

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                        Westminstress RE: bobjbkln Mar 6, 2010 03:41 PM

                        I haven't tried the bread at Ostrovitsky but on a recent visit I was very impressed with the apple strudel.

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                        Ostrovitsky Bakery
                        1124 Ave J, Brooklyn, NY 11230

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                          Peter Cherches RE: bobjbkln Mar 9, 2010 05:15 PM

                          For folks in Park Slope, D'Vine Taste on 7th Avenue carries a large range of baked goods from Ostrovitsky as well as bagels from the Bagel Hole.

                          http://petercherches.blogspot.com

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                          D'Vine Taste
                          150 7th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11215

                          Ostrovitsky Bakery
                          1124 Ave J, Brooklyn, NY 11230

                          Bagel Hole
                          400 7th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11215

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                          homechefrebecca RE: noisejoke Feb 25, 2010 10:42 AM

                          Chiffon Bakery on Ocean Ave used to be good. I haven't been there in a long time so I don't know if the quality is still the same...

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                          Chiffon Bakery
                          430 Avenue P, Brooklyn, NY 11230

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                            noisejoke RE: homechefrebecca Feb 25, 2010 01:22 PM

                            Thanks everybody! This is great. But, can't anybody confirm even the existence of a salt stick or corn rye at any of the places mentioned?

                            @bobjbklyn - I passed the place you mentioned, and noted in the past, (during DiFara's runs, natch). I'll be sure to give it a shot.

                            Grivnas (as my family pronounces it) can also be found at the Second Avenue Deli. I can't say they're as good as my grandmother's.

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                              jen kalb RE: noisejoke Feb 25, 2010 02:50 PM

                              have you eaten the Silver Bell Bakery lithuanian breads. I think they used to make a corn bread, but not sure they do any more (remembered breads with a paper sticker, UWS in the 70s) Eagle Provisions sells some of their breads as well as a decreasing selection of russian ryes. I havent seen a salt stick for years.

                              I have looked into Chiffon but nothing calls me to buy. Maybe if I came from that tradition - but I dont. I liked the old hungarian-style Jewish bakeries that baked with tons of butter, Louis Lichtmans comes to mind.

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                              Eagle Provisions
                              628 5th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11215

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                                Amy Mintzer RE: jen kalb Feb 27, 2010 05:58 PM

                                Lichtman's! You actually just brought tears to my eyes. The cinammon babka. Sniff.

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                                  foodismylife RE: jen kalb Mar 1, 2010 09:14 AM

                                  I remember the aper sticker on the breads from the fifties.
                                  Was it a union label?
                                  Salt stick is made by Pechters a commercial baker in Harrison, NJ.
                                  They supply the rolls for the dirty water hot dog carts and also commercial rye.
                                  I go to their bakery store.
                                  Good but not great.
                                  moshes in Manhattan better, and they do corn bread(corned rye) that is.

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                                    bobjbkln RE: foodismylife Mar 1, 2010 12:03 PM

                                    The paper sticker was a union label.
                                    BTW, there is also a fairly new place called U.S. Russian bread just a few doors down from DiFara's on E.15th St (1012 E. 15th), that I've never been to, but it looks promising.

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                                    U.S. Russian Bread
                                    1012 E 15th St, Brooklyn, NY 11230

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                                      foodismylife RE: bobjbkln Mar 2, 2010 12:31 PM

                                      thank's I thought it was a union label
                                      it was so small I remember I couldn't read it.
                                      We knew it as an onion bun as opposed to an onion roll which was round and far crustier.
                                      I liked both the onion roll with butter and raw onions and the onion bun with cream cheese.
                                      I was and still very adamant re this.
                                      Never claimed to have had an easy childhood.
                                      Any shot at heaven being Flatbush circa 1958?
                                      Just hoping.
                                      Good eating to all.

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                                    jen kalb RE: jen kalb Mar 15, 2010 01:37 PM

                                    I erred above - Eagle sells TJ Lithuanian, not Silver Bell

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                                    falconress RE: noisejoke Nov 22, 2010 06:19 PM

                                    We know salt sticks! My sis-in-law just brought a couple to an aunt last week and I was instantly transported to childhood. I'll ask where she got it, but I have a feeling that Strauss on 13th Ave and 52nd St might have them.

                                    Cornbread - that is, rye bread with cornmeal on bottom, yes? No pun intended, but try Korn's Bakery, 16th Avenue at 50th St. Strauss also probably has it, but I think Korn's is better.

                                    And, go figure - not that you asked, but I was happily surprised last night to find a decent kasha knish, long after the last of my go-to places managed to ruin them completely because they can't be bothered to cook the kasha properly first, resulting in a gluttonous, tasteless mess. So it's a glatt kosher deli, 16th Avenue around 47th St, not sure of the name. It's a run-of-the-mill glatt take-out in other respects, but suddenly I saw kasha knishes, and you can tell even from how they look that they were correctly made. No bread , though.

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                                    Korn's Bakery
                                    5004 16th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11204

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                                    BonnieB. RE: homechefrebecca Mar 8, 2010 10:32 AM

                                    Chiffon's is still around, the moved to Ave. P near McDonald Ave. Sorry don't know the exact address. They used to be on Coney Island Ave. around the corner from Ostrovitsky's.

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                                    Chiffon Bakery
                                    430 Avenue P, Brooklyn, NY 11230

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                                    Greg RE: noisejoke Mar 1, 2010 01:02 PM

                                    You can find Miami rolls at Fairway. The bread is meh, but at least it's yellow and fairly moist. The rolls do have a full layer of onions inside, so at least they have that going for them. Just wish they had poppy seeds as well...

                                    1. efdee RE: noisejoke Mar 1, 2010 01:48 PM

                                      noisejoke, The closest thing to the salt sticks of my youth, was in the excellent bread basket at Peter Luger's. Their salt sticks were so good that I asked the waiter where they were from, and I think he said somewhere in Queens. Unfortunately, that's all I can tell you, so if you find any, please post. Thanks.

                                      1. jon RE: noisejoke Mar 2, 2010 07:01 PM

                                        i would love to find a good onion board in brooklyn. surprisingly, the met supermarket (at least the one on 3rd ave and 17th street in manhattan) stocks a good onion board. sorry, don't remember the name of the bakery on the tag.

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                                          foodismylife RE: jon Mar 3, 2010 09:54 AM

                                          Kossar's but it is in Manhattan at Grand and Essex
                                          bialys were better a few years and managements ago
                                          As Steely Dan would sing, those days are gone forever, over a long time ago.

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                                          hvf100 RE: noisejoke Mar 9, 2010 04:34 AM

                                          Mimi Sheraton's "The Bialy Eaters" is a must read. It chronicles her global search for the perfect bialy. It is a beautiful and poignant story of a lost world.

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                                            foodismylife RE: hvf100 Mar 11, 2010 07:05 AM

                                            hvf100
                                            It is and always was shocking to me when a teacher will tell us kids that a technique was lost or a village disappeared.
                                            I have now lived long enough I will be 63 next month to live it.
                                            Kossar's was so off the scale awful on Monday night as not to be believed.
                                            I went at * PM
                                            The small bulka was in a plastic bag, the bialys were in the wooden drawer and ere many of them.
                                            The bulka was a buck and the bialy was ninety cents.
                                            I took a bite of it and threw them out.
                                            It wasnt only that it was stale but it was inedible.
                                            I regret saying these things but the is simply no reason to ever return.
                                            If they do not have any pride they should not be in business.
                                            Forgive me all for my bitterness, but a world has ended.
                                            PS a decent bialy can be found at Hot Bagela on Maple Avenue and Route 208 Fair Lawn NJ
                                            They are wonderful people but it aint the bialy of Flatbush.

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                                              Mike R. RE: foodismylife Mar 15, 2010 05:02 PM

                                              Kossar's recent product is one of the great travesties of this or any century the bialy dates from. Mimi would "brech" at first bite.

                                              "Inedible" - foodismylife, I know precisely what you mean. Like the busload touristas who flock to Grimaldi's for their "classic" NY pizza, I can't help but wish Kossar-goers best wishes as they find their false bread-gods "Pletzl" and "Bulka"...Yisgadal v'yisgadash.

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                                                foodismylife RE: Mike R. Mar 16, 2010 07:22 AM

                                                Mike R
                                                U are right on, I was more than appalled.
                                                Even my good to place for bagels in NJ has a just okay bialy and Moshes didnt seem much better but I didnt get one.
                                                Murrays also has ordinary bialys but awesome bagels.
                                                Love the perversity of their refusal to toast.
                                                Like the pyramids, we have lost the art of bialy making.
                                                May the bialystokers of blessed memory dream sweet dreams of gluten flour and water.

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                                            dmjuli RE: noisejoke Mar 20, 2010 12:11 PM

                                            I just went to Teenas this morning. They do have corn bread, salt sticks, rye bread, pumpernickel, marble bread, onions rolls and more. I tried the corn and rye breads, the onion rolls and the salt sticks. I think the salt sticks are my favorite. I am no expert but I thought the breads were very good. Is it worth a shlep out to Canarsie? You will have to try it and let me know.

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                                            Teena's Cake Fair
                                            1568 Ralph Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11236

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                                              noisejoke RE: dmjuli Mar 20, 2010 04:36 PM

                                              Oh my! At this point it's absolutely worth the shlep! Thanks for the recon!!!

                                            2. ericalloyd RE: noisejoke Mar 22, 2010 04:24 AM

                                              boy oh boy do i miss shloime & deutsch bakery on 86th st in bensonhurst

                                              1. rebloonin RE: noisejoke Jun 26, 2010 09:04 AM

                                                I cant bare to read through every one of the responses here, but, if you can make it out to Long Island, Long Beach to be specific, I remember from my youth, Country Boy Bakery to have some amazing onion rolls. Maybe make a day out of it and continue on out to the beach.

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                                                  erica RE: rebloonin Dec 28, 2010 04:13 AM

                                                  You don't even have to get to Long Beach. Wall's in Hewlett, on Broadway, is THE quintessential Jewish-style bakery. Divine rye bread, babka, etc etc etc......surprised that it does not get mentioned here on CH more often.

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                                                    janie RE: erica Feb 21, 2012 09:47 PM

                                                    Ever since I've been to Wall's...I swear I dream about that place...was just in Brooklyn last week went to a few bakeries in Boro Park--everything I got couldn't touch anything at Wall's---onion board, yep! (to die for I must add)--miami rolls, oh yeah--the pumps and yellows (and I'm an ex miami girl, and long time NYorker..so I know EXACTLY the moist onion studded ones you're looking for---their choc babka is dense and wonderful...their b/w cookies..perfect texture--just perfect not too cakey and dry and not spongey and wet--just right--and that fluff cake...words can't describe how something so simple could be so good...shall I continue?-------------going to be in Brooklyn tommorow--and was going to ask latest status of the best kosher bakeries..but I feel the bar of Wall's is too high to meet....

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                                                  bklynsausage RE: noisejoke Dec 26, 2010 06:47 PM

                                                  Looking for Onion Boards Pletzel Bialys... Coney Island Ave Bet. Ave T & Ave U. Next to Sahara Rest... It is there and the real deal...

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                                                  Coney Island Bagels & Bialys
                                                  2359 Coney Island Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11223

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                                                    barbgail61 RE: bklynsausage Jan 1, 2011 01:58 PM

                                                    Looking for black seeds that used to be used in Newark breads - I'm enjoying reading this although I'm not from Brooklyn so have never been on the Outer Borough's board. I'm from Rockland County, which someone already mentioned still is home to Rockland Bakery. Rockland Bakery still bakes Jewish Cornbread, Rye, Challah, Onion Rolls, Onion Boards (although these are not the hard, crispy kind but rather soft and resembling pizza crust). You still go in the back, put on gloves, and help yourself, and then have anything you want sliced up front. Yes, they do bake cakes, but their specialty is bread, and they are well-known for their bread, and ship allover. One thing I'm still looking for though, which Rockland Bakery does not make, is rye bread with "Black Seeds". Not caraway (rye, or kimmel) but these dark, hard, pungent seeds that we used to get from bakeries in Newark, NJ in the 1960s-1970s. I don't know what these seeds are called, but they gave the ryes and Russian ryes a unique flavor that the current breads lack. Sometimes these black seeds were also on pumpernickles. If anyone knows what these seeds are called or someplace that still uses these in their breads, please let me know. Thank you.

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                                                      erica RE: barbgail61 Jan 2, 2011 03:39 AM

                                                      Nigella seeds?

                                                      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/385656

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                                                        barbgail61 RE: erica Jan 2, 2011 04:40 PM

                                                        Thank you Erica. The seeds I'm remembering from that great Newark rye and pumpernickel may just be Nigella? I'll have to try to buy some and see. Years ago, someone told me about Nigella seeds, but when I asked in a store, I was sold black sesame seeds, which was wrong. Black sesame seeds aren't pungent, like those black seeds were. But I don't think I was sold true Nigella seeds. So I'll try to buy some from a reputable place mailorder, and then I'll see.

                                                        Thank you,

                                                        Barbara

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                                                          Pan RE: barbgail61 Jan 2, 2011 11:35 PM

                                                          You should be able to get them at any decent Middle Eastern or South Asian store. I live in Manhattan and know they're available at Dual and Kalustyan's, but I'm sure they're also available at Sahadi's and stores in Jackson Heights, among other places.

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                                                            barbgail61 RE: Pan Jan 3, 2011 10:05 AM

                                                            Thank you Pan. I'm working in Bergen County NJ, and there are some Middle Eastern restaurants in the area, so maybe if I ask them they'll know of a local store. And I think I ordered from Kalustyans online once? I'll look to see if they have a website. I'm so excited, I may be able to get these seeds and surprise my parents who abolutely loved that bread from Newark!

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                                                            jen kalb RE: barbgail61 Jan 3, 2011 11:23 AM

                                                            yes they are nigella also sold as kalonji (in indian stores) or "black onion seeds" http://www.uni-graz.at/~katzer/engl/N...
                                                            thats definitely what you are looking for. I think some of the bakeries still offer this type of bread - here is one, which wholesales to a lot of stores in the NY metro area
                                                            http://www.lithbake.com/bread.html

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                                                              barbgail61 RE: jen kalb Jan 7, 2011 05:10 PM

                                                              Thank you so much Jen for this info. I will check out both links. And my boss is from Mumbai, India! Now that I know that these seeds are Indian I'll tell him that I'm looking for this. He comes from a part of NJ where this is a large Indian community, so perhaps one of those stores he frequents sells Kalonji? Thanks again for the info.

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                                                              falconress RE: barbgail61 Jan 16, 2011 05:19 AM

                                                              You can get them from Penzeys Spices, also known as Charnushka. I ordered them once out of curiosity and they have the strong flavor you describe. Here is Penzeys description:

                                                              Tiny, black, smoky flavored seeds found atop Jewish rye bread in New York. Used in Armenia, Lebanon, Israel, and India. Also referred to as black caraway or kalonji, charnushka is used heavily in garam masala. From India."

                                                              Since they are used in Indian cooking, now I'm thinking you can probably find them in Indian groceries as well, certainly at Kalustyan's on Lexington.

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                                                                Pan RE: falconress Jan 16, 2011 09:55 AM

                                                                Yes, you can indeed find them at Indian stores.

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                                                        bklynsausage RE: noisejoke Dec 26, 2010 06:50 PM

                                                        Here is the only answer.

                                                        Coney Island Bialy Bakeries Co Inc
                                                        2359 Coney Island Avenue, New York, NY 11223

                                                        (718) 339-9281

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                                                        Coney Island Bagels & Bialys
                                                        2359 Coney Island Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11223

                                                        1. Motosport RE: noisejoke Dec 28, 2010 07:30 AM

                                                          Has anyone suggested Lord's Bakery on Nostrand Ave near the junction. They have Corn Rye. Call ahead, they run out.

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                                                          Lords Bakery
                                                          2135 Nostrand Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11210

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                                                            ajs42548 RE: Motosport Jan 14, 2012 06:50 PM

                                                            I was going to ask if Lord's is still there as they had the best rye bead in the city in my opinion. I used to live in Brooklyn till 1965 and went there all the time. Even after we left, if either my brother or myself was anywhere in Brooklyn, we would go to Lord's for the rye. Glad to see they are still in business and their rye is still good.

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                                                            Lords Bakery
                                                            2135 Nostrand Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11210

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                                                              BrooklynBigApple RE: ajs42548 Jan 14, 2012 09:58 PM

                                                              And while you're in Lord's, definitely get their cheesecake. Man does not live by bread alone. And Lord's cheesecake IMHO beats Junior's by a country mile, despite the claim that their cheesecake is NYC's #1.

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                                                              Lords Bakery
                                                              2135 Nostrand Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11210

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                                                                Pan RE: BrooklynBigApple Jan 16, 2012 02:24 AM

                                                                Lord's is definitely still there. I got a raspberry pastry from them on Saturday.

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                                                            KingsKetz RE: noisejoke Dec 28, 2010 11:56 AM

                                                            Kaff's on Fort Hamilton just past Maimonides and the El. Great great great challah. My family demands I bring it to NJ whenever we come to visit. Fabulous marble sponge cake. The best. Great babka. Danish is fine. I haven't tried everything but those are enough for me to come back for again and again. They have rye but I haven't tried it yet.

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                                                            Kaff Bakery
                                                            4518 Fort Hamilton Pkwy, Brooklyn, NY 11219

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                                                              bklynsausage RE: KingsKetz Feb 5, 2011 03:35 PM

                                                              Let me take you out of Bklyn for a few since it seems like most of you travel for these products. Moishes on second ave and 6th st. in the east village. & Aarons on 63rd drive in Rego pArk Queens. both are worth the trip and both are still Kosher!!

                                                              Ciao/Shalom-

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                                                              Aaron's Kosher Gourmet
                                                              63-06 Woodhaven Blvd, Queens, NY 11374

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                                                                KingsKetz RE: KingsKetz Feb 22, 2012 07:16 PM

                                                                I agree. My family in NJ always has me brig the challah...especially the "crown" challahs. They are delicious and beautiful!

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                                                                Hydrin RE: noisejoke Feb 13, 2011 11:36 AM

                                                                I know what you mean, since Leon's bakery on Knapp Street in Brooklyn closed it is impossible to get good Rye bread, rolls and cakes. The next best is Lord's on Nostrand ave in Brooklyn. I tried Tina,s on Ralph but was not happy with their cakes their Rye was good.

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                                                                Lords Bakery
                                                                2135 Nostrand Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11210

                                                                Teena's Cake Fair
                                                                1568 Ralph Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11236

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                                                                  Mike R. RE: Hydrin Feb 21, 2011 07:03 AM

                                                                  Let's throw two more hats into the ring...

                                                                  First, for bagels - my oft-recommended BAGELS & MORE on 14th Avenue and 43rd Street (Borough Park) for the kind of chewy, hard-crusted guys you would have more commonly eaten in the 1960s - now an absolute one-of-a-kind experience in NYC.

                                                                  Second - SHLOMIE's on New Utrecht Avenue and 50th Street (also Borough Park) - go Friday mornings and gorge yourself on the incredible MINI-sized poppyseed and cinnamon rugelach-like horns. A variety of challahs including whole-wheat also fresh on their shelves.

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                                                                  Bagels 'N More
                                                                  4305 14th Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11219

                                                                  Shlomie's Heimishe Bakery
                                                                  5017 New Utrecht Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11219

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                                                                  giftergirl RE: noisejoke Jan 17, 2012 10:46 AM

                                                                  is there a bakery that still does the meltaway? my law school roommate's parents would always bring one from long island when they visited.

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                                                                    Amy Mintzer RE: giftergirl Jan 31, 2012 06:20 AM

                                                                    Yes, Ostrovitzky's. It's carried "packaged" at various stores around the city as well as at the bakery.

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                                                                      brooklynkoshereater RE: giftergirl Feb 22, 2012 07:27 PM

                                                                      THe zomick's meltaway is available, commercial, in most kosher grocery stores in and around brooklyn.

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                                                                        bklynsausage RE: giftergirl May 1, 2012 11:49 AM

                                                                        You can get the real deal meltaway at Sugabun Bakery on Cross Bay Blvd. In Howard Beach. They have all the kosher styly baking although it is not Kosher. The owners have a long history in the Brooklyn Jewish Bakery industry.

                                                                        Ciao-

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                                                                        Hydrin RE: noisejoke Mar 1, 2012 10:07 AM

                                                                        Missing Leon's terribly so I decided to try Ostrovitsky's on Avenue J.
                                                                        So far I have tasted the seeded Rye, delicious!, the challah rolls also excellent. The Rugelach was tasty but lacked that buttery taste. I probably would not buy the rugelach next time.
                                                                        I also bought a poppy seed strip cake and a seven layer cake, but will have to wait until later to try them. They came pre packaged already on shelves in the bakery.

                                                                        I will be going back to try their cakes and cookies.

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                                                                        1124 Ave J, Brooklyn, NY 11230

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                                                                          Mike R. RE: Hydrin Mar 2, 2012 07:24 PM

                                                                          Likely that butter isn't in the equation at Ostrivitsky. Probably using a neutral Pareve fat.

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                                                                            Hydrin RE: Mike R. Mar 2, 2012 07:39 PM

                                                                            Never thought of that ! You are probably right that is the difference in taste

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                                                                              Mike R. RE: Hydrin Mar 3, 2012 04:55 AM

                                                                              Correctly made buttery rugelach is becoming one of those "In Search Of..." adventures, especially in Brooklyn. The old-fashioned Jewish bakeries are on the verge of extinction and have been largely replaced by Orthodox-owned ones lacking dairy recipes. Maybe Teena's Cake Fair in Canarsie still has 'em...and Andre's Hungarian on Queens Boulevard / 67th Road if you want to travel.

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                                                                              100-28 Queens Blvd, Queens, NY 11375

                                                                              Teena's Cake Fair
                                                                              1568 Ralph Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11236

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                                                                                janie RE: Mike R. Mar 3, 2012 11:46 AM

                                                                                was just at Andre's the other day, $16 per lb of rugelach..used to think they were the best--but quality has slipped--looks like different owners there--Polish now..I think...the old lady wasn't there--maybe she sold it?? Anyway, nasty woman there--asked her if the rugelach was from the morning, she said, yes, but it was dry and nowhere near the greatness it used to have--also, only one flavor now--and it doesn't come cheap..also got apple cake, she wanted to give me dried out slice from top squares and I asked for one on lower layer which wasn't blocked at all and easy to get to on end..and she was a total bit. h about it.......also, EXPENSIVE..$3.50 for a small square and it was heavy and lousy--not returning there...on the other hand went over to Boulangerie...this place is growing on me---fantastic gateau breton, lovely brioches, croissants not as good as cannelle and smaller--and more expensive though, but excellent breads--and good foccacio's---cute little spot and nice girls behind counter.--not jewish bakery obviously...but then again, get yourself to Wall's, it's the gold standard at this point.

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                                                                                100-28 Queens Blvd, Queens, NY 11375

                                                                                La Boulangerie
                                                                                109-01 72nd Rd, Queens, NY 11375

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                                                                                  erica RE: janie Mar 3, 2012 02:53 PM

                                                                                  So glad there are at least 2 Wall's fans here on CH!

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                                                                                    Mike R. RE: janie Mar 4, 2012 07:36 AM

                                                                                    Ominous sign if the Andre's folks have in fact changed. Come to think of it my last visit a few months ago for a prune danish (one of the all-timers, IMO) left me with an empty feeling bite after bite and, yes, the ol' lady wasn't behind the register. I guess it was time to go.

                                                                                    Another devastating nail in the bakery box.

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                                                                                      yussdov RE: janie May 5, 2012 06:15 AM

                                                                                      andre's has been in a downward slide for a long time now. the rugelach simply aren't what they used to be. and almost every interaction with their staff is always a conflict. if the staff was this difficult and the product was still great, i might look past the trouble, but now that the rugelach isn't even that good (it's almost always dry and for my money they're skimping on the sour cream in the pastry dough), i just don't think it's worth the hassle.

                                                                                      while it's true that the rugelach are dairy, and not pareve, don't expect the staff to know the difference. once i was there after not having been in a few years and i couldn't remember if the rugelach were pareve (because some of their items are pareve, although nothing is labeled as being dairy or pareve, which means you have to ask.) i was then told the the rugelach were pareve. another time i was told they weren't. finally, i spoke with the owners (who aren't new) and was told the rugelach are dairy, but without apologizing that their poorly informed staff had resulted in my bringing dairy rugelach to a cousin's meat meal. and then the owner yelled at me for expecting his staff to know the difference! and the counter staff is even worse, often being snide and rude if they don't feel you've purchased enough and never going out of their way to make your experience there pleasant. as my grandma would have said: feh!

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                                                                                        janie RE: yussdov May 5, 2012 02:44 PM

                                                                                        agreed, all true--nastiness and bakeries are the kiss of death for me.

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                                                                              shoelace RE: noisejoke May 12, 2012 09:27 PM

                                                                              to get the breads youre looking for, you have to go to zuckerbakers in bellmore, i think its on jerusalem ave
                                                                              they have those ridiculously good onion rolls and the amazing rye that actually has a taste

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                                                                                janie RE: shoelace May 13, 2012 09:48 AM

                                                                                they can't touch walls bakery in cedarhurst, it's no contest

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                                                                                dhammer53 RE: noisejoke Jan 21, 2013 11:10 AM

                                                                                Teena's Bakery on Ralph Ave closed on January 2, 2013 by the Board of Health. They were still closed on January 21, 2013.

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                                                                                  zatar RE: noisejoke Jul 22, 2013 06:31 PM

                                                                                  Farther afield, there are two in America that I know of: Zeman's Bakery in Oak Park, MI and Cohen's in Ellenville, NY. Both carry "kimmel bread" - your corn rye. Zeman's has onion and kaiser rolls and salt sticks. Cohen's has mohn strudel to make you weep. You can order by mail from Cohen's.

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