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My local board is teeming with vacationers looking for advice from "fellow foodies" or "places to go for foodies". It's completely annoying. Isn't that for another website? The chow.com manifesto (http://www.chow.com/manifesto) specifically defines "foodies" and specifically defines itself as a place that's not for foodies. I'm in complete agreement with chow.com (naturally).

Suffice to say, this is not what I joined chow.com for.

Anybody else annoyed by this? Maybe the manifesto should be on the front page and not buried at the bottom?

  1. "Maybe the manifesto should be on the front page and not buried at the bottom?"
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    or maybe we should all just take the [likely] innocent "foodie" references with a grain of salt. the term gets tossed around so casually these days that i'm not so sure people who use it even know what it means anymore...and i doubt any of these vacationers to whom you refer have any idea that they're offending you (or anyone else) by using the term.

    it doesn't matter where the manifesto resides - even if it's on the welcome page, someone who's in a hurry or has a very specific goal when posting on CH isn't likely to take the time to read it, or even notice it if they're just focused on getting the information they need.

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    1. re: goodhealthgourmet

      "i'm not so sure people who use it even know what it means anymore"

      You seem to be suggesting that Chow/Chowhound abandon their own definition of what they are?

      1. re: rubinow

        i said no such thing. for starters, i was referring more to the people you believe *not* to be Chowhounds whos euse of the term offends you. and i also think *everyone* - Chowhounds, non-Chowhounds, "foodies," "non-foodies" - tosses around the term rather cavalierly these days and i think it means different things to different people. same goes for "gourmet" - in fact there was an entire thread about that here on CH a year or two ago.

        besides, one isn't required to adopt the Chow manifesto as their own just to read the boards or post here. i'm not judging anyone or saying it's right or wrong, just that as individuals we're all entitled to accept it or reject it at our own will. in fact, one of the things i love most about this site is the diversity of the population and resulting variety of approaches, opinions, and experiences.

        1. re: goodhealthgourmet

          >>>i was referring more to the people you believe *not* to be Chowhounds whos euse of the term offends you.

          Why do you not think I realize that?

          My point is that Chowhound goes out of its way to *not* be cavalier about what a Chowhound is. It's pretty explicit about it. I also realize that the term "gourmet" doesn't mean the same to everybody either...but on the other hand, and again, this is Chowhound which specifically defines what a Chowhound and a Foodie is. No real need to debate it when the website was set up to cater to a specific group and actually defines what that is.

          >>>one isn't required to adopt the Chow manifesto as their own

          I was implying no such thing. I was only suggesting that Chowhound stick to *their* guns. Otherwise, these boards gets diluted to a point where Chowhound just isn't Chowhound any more.

          >>>one of the things i love most about this site is the diversity of the population and resulting variety of approaches, opinions, and experiences.

          Great! Good for you! My experience is completely different, though. I hear the SAME thing over and over again and it's usually because people are not actually being Chowhounds. Thus, I'm annoyed.

          1. re: rubinow

            FWIW, I misunderstood you to misunderstand goodhealthgourmet re that first point, too.

            Again, I sometimes share your annoyance, but I don't see what the answer is. Close the board, make members have to apply and pass a Chowhound proficiency test? Demand a minimum number of posts before they can ask certain questions? The suggestion that newcomers read before they write is already in the etiquette section; beyond that, I don't know what you can do.

            It's still the best/smartest/most savvy of the food forums, IMO. Easy enough to ignore posts that don't warrant your attention.

            All that said, I liked it when the manifesto was up front too, though in those days the boards themselves (like all early sites) were sure ugly.

            1. re: tatamagouche

              >>> I don't see what the answer is.

              I suggested an answer: put the manifesto (the statement of purpose) where people can read it. Either that or just get rid of the manifesto. Besides, what's the point of the manifesto if they don't follow it.

              I realize that it's sort of a lost cause, though.

            2. re: rubinow

              "My experience is completely different, though. I hear the SAME thing over and over again and it's usually because people are not actually being Chowhounds. Thus, I'm annoyed."
              ~~~~~~~~
              well then perhaps we're reading different boards and it's a matter of region or topic, because i come cross heated debates on a regular basis here.

      2. In the early days, the manifesto was on the home page.

        I agree with you in principle but can't get too worked up about it in practice–with Chowhound's growth came a broader group of posters. We in Denver get a lot of queries like that too—I assume every board does—and often we just refer them to older threads that cover their question.

        Also, if they're clearly Chowhounds who are coming to my city for a visit and whose questions are specific, I'm less annoyed than if they're newbies who didn't bother to do any research before starting a thread.

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        1. re: tatamagouche

          Even though I just semi-seriously bemoaned the same thing in a post on the chain board, it has been four years since the site was sold and there has been a sea change.

          In fact, the food world in general has changed on the web. As someone said "It's still the best/smartest/most savvy of the food forums, " At least the site is still here and there's no stopping people who want to follow the manifesto.

          To remove the manifesto would remove the last fragile link to the original intent of the site.

          Still, I miss the original energy and direction of the site ... but at least there still is a site. If you have a better place to go, please let me know. I'd be interested.

          1. re: rworange

            "If you have a better place to go, please let me know. I'd be interested."
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            as we already know there are numerous food forums on the web (including one called foodforum.com!), but i have yet to find another site with a breadth and scope to rival that of Chowhound. and though we may all occasionally gripe about technical issues with the site, the layout is certainly the most advanced and user-friendly i've seen. now, having said all that, do you ever check out eGullet? in terms of content it's the one i find most useful second to CH.

            1. re: goodhealthgourmet

              eGullet is way too narrow and I hate the format. They almost insist on one thread per restaurant so you have this humoungous thread on French Laundry or some such thing. There is zero interest in ... well ... Chowhound places. Lots of buzz about the latest and greatest foodie places.

              Egullet is an excellent example of why all the Chowhound rules work.

              At first, interacting with restuarants seemed really cool ... talking to the chef and all and gaining insight to the restaurant.

              However, there winds up being a subtle pressure. When you've made a virtual friend of the staff, if something really, really sucks you become more reluctant to post about it.

              eGullet also takes food way too seriously. And if you think there should be a pm system on Chowhound, give egullet a try,. There was alot of backstabbing going on on the pm system.

              It goes on. I'm not an egullet fan in the least

              1. re: rworange

                thanks for your perspective. most of my experience with eGullet was when i was briefly living in North Jersey - a region that really suffered from the way the New York regional boards were arranged up until the recent changes. it was nearly impossible to find any feedback about local spots, so i turned to eGullet for information about local restaurants. but my experience with it was minimal...particularly compared to the time i've spent on CH!

                1. re: rworange

                  CH is participatory democracy in the best sense of the word. It embodies breadth, depth, infinite variety, humor, erudition, angst, passion and community. It's only downside is that it undoubtedly lowers the GDP of the world (as a fairly significant slice of workers in offices across the globe spends the work day noodling on this site).

                2. re: goodhealthgourmet

                  I sometimes check out egullet but probably will not be posting on the forum due to their requirements for a 100-word minimum personal statement.

                  1. re: Miss Needle

                    That requirement has kept me from participating for years! But strangely they began sending PR e-mails to me this last year - perhaps their numbers are down a bit?

                    I find their restaurant info is minimal in most of the areas I spend the most time.
                    Their cooking threads I find very useful!

                    1. re: meatn3

                      Yeah, I've also received those Emails as well. Maybe I would post if they would get rid of the personal statement thing. Personally, I find it off-putting. I have noticed that their NYC board receives a lot less traffic compared to the respective Chowhound boards.

                      The cooking threads are awesome, especially those cook-offs with the pictures embedded into the threads. I think more people would post pics on CH if it was easier to do so. In the past, I've had to resave my pictures in a lower quality format in order for CH to accept them as the file size was too large. Big pain in the ass, if you ask me. I just don't post pics on this site anymore.

                      1. re: Miss Needle

                        I agree about the pic issue as well. This is one of the reasons I tend to link my posts to a site, blog or flickr from another source.

            2. I think it comes down to semantics between what "foodie" and "chowhound" mean. If someone came on the board and asked for the most popular/trendy place to eat, that person is looking for the CH definition of "foodie" and that's not what CH is about whether he/she used the word "foodie" or not. But, if the person asked for recommendations for a great place to find xxxx, but used the word "foodie" without realizing the manifesto definition, then the person is looking for CH recommendation. Intent is more important than word choice, especially since the CH manifesto definition isn't the universal definition.

              1. When CHOW offers a 10 best chocolates for Valentine's list my "foodie" hat is on, when a CH starts a thread about how to use that chocolate bar I'm reading along with my "CH" hat on. In other words, manifesto or not, my "take" on the difference btwn these two words which are used throughout the site serves a member like myself.

                When I enter a specialty shop for a precious jar of say, preserved lemons-I'm doing so as both a foodie and a CH. My foodie brain is willing to pay a few duckets for the jar (that my non foodie friends would call impulse crazy) and my CH heart will go home and experiment with those lemons in 5-6 diff ways that grace my table for a few weeks.

                Room for both, that's how I roll.

                1. Honestly, it doesn't bother me at all. It's nice to see the general public looking to get away from chain restaurants and give smaller, indie restaurants some businsess, and I'm happy to make recommendations. There is plenty of room for these threads and other, more typical Chowish topics IMO.