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ttoommyy Feb 3, 2010 03:51 AM

I have currently lived in Hoboken for 15 Years; born and raised in Jersey City. My family has lived in Hoboken since 1910 or so. We have gone to Carlo's for as long as I can remember (I am 49 this month). All I can say is "What the...???" Lines down the block? People taking pictures outside? That hideous show? It saddens me.

  1. roxlet Nov 19, 2010 03:34 PM

    I had never seen this show until recently when I caught an episode that took place in Italy. I don't know the joint, have never tasted their cakes nor stood on their lines, but I have to say that my son does one awesome imitation of Buddy. Worth watching again just to touch up his impression...

    1. buttertart Nov 18, 2010 09:48 AM

      Have been in Hoboken a couple of times recently and at least the weekday lines seem to be a thing of the past. There were a very few people around and buying. Has this dog had his day?

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      1. re: buttertart
        ttoommyy Nov 18, 2010 10:13 AM

        I think it's due to the fact school is back in and summer vacations are over. The weekend line is still long.

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          buttertart Nov 18, 2010 10:15 AM

          Sigh...

      2. buttertart Jun 23, 2010 10:50 AM

        Just got in from a brief visit to Hoboken: the madness continues...today, in 90-degree heat, on a nothing Wednesday, there were people lined up four abreast from the door to the street corner, being "allowed" in a few at a time. Hey people, this is a mediocre at best bakery, not the Sistine Chapel! (Also saw the delivery van for the cakes...a Mercedes-Benz....)

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          roro1831 Jun 23, 2010 10:53 AM

          It's like that every single day, go figure. It's just not worth it to sit in line to be treated rudely and get something that just isn't that good.

          1. re: roro1831
            buttertart Jun 23, 2010 10:58 AM

            What's that line about nobody ever going broke underestimating people's taste???

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              roro1831 Jun 23, 2010 11:00 AM

              or the one about a sucker being born every minute. lol

          2. re: buttertart
            ttoommyy Jun 29, 2010 06:55 AM

            As someone who was born and raised in Jersey City with strong familial ties to Hoboken (where I now live), I felt for the last year or so I was "owed something" because my family has gone to Carlo's since before the Vilastro family even owned it. But after seeing those yokels in line this past week in this crazy heat, I say "let them have it." At least I have my fond memories of when the bakery was actually amazing and turned out some of the best pastries around. All these people are getting is the image...and that's not saying much at all!

            1. re: ttoommyy
              buttertart Aug 2, 2010 02:26 PM

              Still packing them in - a long line at 10:00 am today, probably 80 people...begs the question, how does a bakery that was serving maybe 10% of the customers they are now before all this happened, up production enough to keep their shelves stocked for the hordes? It's not a very big building.

              1. re: buttertart
                ttoommyy Aug 3, 2010 07:52 AM

                There was a crowd at 8am today...amazing. I suspect they are doing some off site baking as well as working around the clock. I'm sure the money rolling in has given them the resources they need to hire on extra help, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they moved to a bigger space soon.

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                  buttertart Aug 3, 2010 07:57 AM

                  Just in time for the show to tank (she says evilly).

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                    ttoommyy Aug 3, 2010 08:05 AM

                    Oh, it will some day. And his business will dwindle...but by that time he'll have made so much money that he'll be able to retire.

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                      buttertart Aug 3, 2010 08:12 AM

                      True enough.

          3. buttertart Mar 24, 2010 02:27 PM

            Aaaagh! aaagh! aaaagh! I f you type in "carl" on Google the first suggestion is "carlos bakery". Not Carl Jung or Carl Sagan, or many other possibilities, Carlos Bakery!!! Beware the four horsemen.

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            1. re: buttertart
              ttoommyy Mar 24, 2010 02:30 PM

              You're right! lol I can't stand it.

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                iluvcookies Mar 25, 2010 06:08 AM

                Love him or hate him... if my (still imaginary) bakery came up first on a Google search I would be thrilled and jumping for joy!

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                  buttertart Mar 25, 2010 06:13 AM

                  Precisely, it's an astonishing coup for the business.

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                    roro1831 Mar 25, 2010 06:49 AM

                    Yep, and a business right across the street from him, La Isla, was just on Bobby Flay's throwdown for a stuffed french toast battle, which La Isla won. They serve it as part of the Sunday brunch, which required a wait before the tv exposure. This past Sunday the line was a lot longer than normal sad to say. Hopefully they don't discover that the rest of the food is great otherwise I will have to quit going there for dinner.

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                      buttertart Mar 25, 2010 06:56 AM

                      Used to eat lunch there as often as possible when I worked in Hoboken and it was still "just" a lunch counter. Food was great! (Looks as if someone at the network lives in town, maybe?)

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                        roro1831 Mar 25, 2010 07:00 AM

                        Not sure if the person lived in town or not. I read an article before the show aired about how they got on the show. I think someone from the network was there and approached him, but I can't remember the exact details; not sure if they live here or not.

                        1. re: buttertart
                          ttoommyy Mar 25, 2010 07:43 AM

                          The Food Network studios and the kitchens where Bobby Flay does the test cooking on the show are directly across the river from Hoboken at Chelsea Market. I'm sure someone from the network either lives in Hoboken or has traveled across "the great divide" to check things out.

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                            MrsT Apr 12, 2010 05:13 PM

                            I'm sure lots of people that work for Flay and/or Food Network live in Hoboken or Jersey City for that matter. It's no more than a 20 minute ride by PATH (when the train runs properly). There are always lines at La Isla. I just pray they stay BYOB!

                    2. re: iluvcookies
                      ttoommyy Mar 25, 2010 07:51 AM

                      It's really just a matter of how popular something is at the time. I had a small business for a few years that started with my very generic name, Tom. After a while, when you googled "Tom" my business name would pop up as one of the first few entries. It only follows that with all the attention the show and bakery is getting that this would happen.
                      It's sad, but my family has been going to Carlo's for over 50 years and now I cannot get into the place. I actually went to JC for Italian pastries the last time I needed them for a party.

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                    NellyNel Mar 25, 2010 10:31 AM

                    LOL
                    Last weekend I had to cross the street to avoid the crowd outside!

                    1. re: NellyNel
                      ttoommyy Apr 7, 2010 07:43 AM

                      I think this past Easter weekend really took the cake...pun intended! The lines were halfway down the block, around the corner from the place!
                      The only good I see from this is that one of the most prosperous stores in Hoboken is actually a mom & pop store, while the B&N is going out of business. If only this were the trend, but we Hobokenites know it won't be.

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                        NellyNel Apr 14, 2010 12:35 PM

                        I guess...but it just annoys me because the darn product is so average!

                        I wouldnt even care about the popularity if the cake was good!

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                          ttoommyy Apr 14, 2010 01:38 PM

                          Actually, the bakery that used to be where Carlo's is now, Schoening's, was the best!

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                            NellyNel Apr 14, 2010 01:59 PM

                            You would think in a city that's meant to have so much Italian roots - you'd be able to get a great cannoli!
                            HA!
                            I think Carlos is the ONLY Italian bakery in Hoboken...

                            I feel the same about all the Italian deli's (MEH!) - AND Italian restaurants in Hoboken (MEH AGAIN!)
                            None are anything special at all....Very dissappointing!

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                              ttoommyy Apr 14, 2010 02:13 PM

                              It's such a shame. At one time the quality of the bakeries and the delis was very good. I have many memories of growing up as a kid in the late 60s in Jersey City and going to Hoboken (where my Italian family's roots are in this country) to shop for meat, produce, fish, etc. It was wonderful. It's certainly not what it used to be.

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                                NellyNel Apr 14, 2010 02:32 PM

                                I moved to Hoboken after having grown up in Brooklyn, and I expected it to be the same food-wise, but I was so shocked and dissappointed...
                                JC is no better although where I live in the heights, we have some AMAZING Mexican and Columbian mom and pop restaurants...AMAZING!

                                I'm sure it used to be a different story years ago....I imagine Hoboken was completely different and those old places are long gone...

                                I recently visited an Italian supermarket in Bensonhurst and I was in my glory....what stuff!!!!
                                I just don't understand why Hoboken doesnt have any place like that...surely the yuppies would enjoy it? No?

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                                  bob gaj Apr 14, 2010 02:37 PM

                                  please, go to biancamano on washington for some amazing mozz...

                                  (been out of hoboken for 9 years now, and the food scene was much worse then. i agree RE: italian's, ricco's was one of the better places, and really wasn't anything amazing).

                                  1. re: NellyNel
                                    ttoommyy Apr 15, 2010 06:09 AM

                                    "I just don't understand why Hoboken doesnt have any place like that..."

                                    The exorbitant rents. "Mom & pop" stores could never afford the rent on a place in the prime locations. And if you are on a side street, off the beaten track...then you may as well not even open a store/restaurant.

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                                      ttoommyy Apr 15, 2010 09:18 AM

                                      Let me also add that the stores that existed back in the 60s and 70s when I was a kid are gone mostly because the next generation did not want to take over the family business. They all went on to college and other careers. Interestingly enough, this also seems to be happening in Italy as well.

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                                        NellyNel Apr 15, 2010 09:27 AM

                                        Yup I can see that..
                                        But still - there ARE plently of Italian Deli's and restaurants in Hoboken - but none of them are very good, and they certainly do not carry an array of Italian products that would be pretty standard in Brooklyn. It is very frustrating!

                                        I can't even get a rice ball in Hoboken!

                      2. re: buttertart
                        mcsheridan Apr 4, 2010 12:32 PM

                        I just did the Google search as you described...Oh, that really IS depressing. :(

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                        MrsT Feb 25, 2010 08:10 AM

                        I work in Jersey City, and went and bought their famous crumb cake to a friend's house last labor day, because they were the only bakery I know of close to where I work. There were no lines and to tell you the truth, the cake wasn't that spectacular.

                        I did think it was funny, there were no cameras in sight, but one of the women there was bragging about how she spent $5000 at the Gap, and showed her co-worker the size of the bill.

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                          NellyNel Feb 25, 2010 08:48 AM

                          I am not surprised that you were'nt impressed....thier stuff so very average....

                          $5000 at Gap???
                          GEEZ!

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                            buttertart Feb 25, 2010 08:50 AM

                            Twere ever thus...I remember conversations like this between the ladies behind the counter in the 90's.

                          2. re: MrsT
                            ttoommyy Feb 25, 2010 09:10 AM

                            The line phenomena was really not in place last Labor Day. For the last few months though, it has gotten absolutely ridiculous. They've even set up barricades with police tape outside on some days.

                            Like lemmings to the sea...

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                              ttoommyy Feb 25, 2010 09:13 AM

                              I meant to attach this with my past post.

                            2. NellyNel Feb 3, 2010 08:28 AM

                              I have seen him on some of the Food Network challenges - and he does some "pretty" cakes I must say...but the taste is what matters to me - and - meh!!

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                              1. re: NellyNel
                                ttoommyy Feb 3, 2010 08:37 AM

                                The quality of the product used to be exceptional. In the last 10 years or so...like you said...meh. That said, the cakes that they show on TV are quite nice...much better than The Ace of Cakes. Buddy has some very talented artists working for him. The sculpted pieces, the flowers, etc. are very good quality.

                              2. buttertart Feb 3, 2010 08:10 AM

                                I was flabbergasted when I saw this show (it came on after my MIL's then-favorite Jon and Kate) - worked in Hoboken for 10 years and patronized the bakery as little as possible. Have never thought the wedding cakes in the windows were attractive. They are scraping the bottom of the barrel for show ideas if this is the best they can come up with. And to think people are mobbing the joint - no accounting for taste...

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                                  roro1831 Feb 3, 2010 08:25 AM

                                  I think I have been in the place twice, I have had some of his stuff at some parties at friends houses. The cannoli cake is pretty good, but for the price no way. When I got married my wife surprised me with a groom's cake. She said she went to Carlo's to price it out and was quoted something like $600. We ended up getting it elsewhere for $250. The guy is out of his mind.

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                                    ttoommyy Feb 3, 2010 08:34 AM

                                    Unfortunately, I think what people like about the show is the Soparano's-like portrayal of the Italian-American family Buddy and his famiglia convey. If Buddy Sr. only knew what his son has done with this once-amazing bakery, he would be rolling...well, you know.

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                                      buttertart Feb 23, 2010 09:43 AM

                                      I agree about the family portrayal - I remember Buddy Sr., he was a classy guy. The baked goods were better under his control. Was just past Carlo's last Friday (at 9 am the line was to the door, but they were always pretty busy in the am), the wedding cakes in the window are as dowdy as ever.

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                                      mcsheridan Feb 27, 2010 01:33 PM

                                      Went to a wedding a couple of years ago (way before his FN win) where the wedding cake came from Carlo's (W98 on his display pages if you're interested in what it looked like). It was all show and no substance. Dry devil's food cake wrapped in tasteless, gluey fondant. The cost was low four-figures. For an inedible wedding cake. Ugh.

                                    3. NellyNel Feb 3, 2010 07:05 AM

                                      I don't like Carlos - I seriously think their stuff is average at best, but for convenience sake I went there the night before Thanksgiving. Whoa!
                                      What a scene! It was mobbed of course, but it seemed everyone in there was a tourist....everyone had their cameras out and were taking pictures of everything - including the staff!! Yikes! WHY?????????
                                      Are people so celebrity crazy?? Wow. Very strange.

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                                        iluvcookies Feb 23, 2010 09:16 AM

                                        I confess... I was one of "those people" last weekend. I love the show and wanted to see what the fuss was about. Normally I would run from a place like this, screaming all the way. But this time I didn't.
                                        The cannoli were very fresh and not too sweet. The chocolate mousse cake was exceptionally fresh. I got the last square of crumb cake (thereby eliminating the 1/2 hour wait for the next batch) and found it to be quite delicious. Would I wait an hour for this stuff again? Probably not. But with all the crowds and hubbub, they still manage to put out a good product.
                                        And I got a pic with Mauro, too (he's my favorite)

                                        1. re: iluvcookies
                                          ttoommyy Feb 23, 2010 09:40 AM

                                          Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh! (runs screaming from the computer with hands covering ears)

                                          But seriously, if you think the quality is good now, you should have had the stuff from this bakery 10 or more years ago. I still cannot believe the lines to get into a place I once complained about waiting 5 minutes in line for. Oh well.

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                                        roro1831 Feb 3, 2010 05:26 AM

                                        He should enjoy it while he can, cause all it is doing is ticking off the people that supported him that don't want to wait in line. As soon as the show is off the air, he better hope the regular guys return. Lord knows I haven't been since people started lining up. And his prices were through the roof anyway, so I can only imagine now.

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                                          ttoommyy Feb 3, 2010 05:45 AM

                                          Agreed. I just don't see the regulars who have gone to Carlo's for years showing up on a Saturday or Sunday to get some pastries to bring to Nonna's house and waiting in those kinds of lines. I know I won't. And when the dust settles (and you know it will) where will those regulars be? Gone on to other bakeries and nowhere in sight.

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