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steve h. Feb 1, 2010 01:06 PM

This is intimidating. My wife is an accomplished home cook. We've been renting an apartment every March on the Via Giulia for a few years now. We've invited colleagues from the states to break bread with us but I've been reticent to invite a small group of locals over for dinner to express our gratitude.

What to buy, where to shop doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of my concern. Orchestrating a successful menu, start to finish, is a tough call. Wines? My guests will be Roman. After dinner? Our rental has a wonderful rooftop terrace. I would like to make things tasty up there so we can enjoy the view after the meal in the formal dining room.

I'm thinking this should be a Saturday/Sunday afternoon meal. I'm clearly out of my depth here but would appreciate all thoughts/comments/criticisms. I'm not afraid to fail but I would like advice on menu, wines, protocol and whatever else comes to mind.

Thanks in advance.

--steve

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    vincentinparisandrome Apr 5, 2010 12:43 AM

    Easter has come and gone... what was on the menu in the end?

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      steve h. Apr 5, 2010 01:20 PM

      This is where I have to take my lumps. Deb got cold feet and called the dinner off. I'm an optimist so I believe we'll pull it off next year. We'll see.

      With respect to Easter, we left Rome on the 30th. Deb reprised her meal from last year:

      Asparagus soup.

      Vignarola (artichokes, fresh peas, favas, spring onions, prosciuotto).

      Scottadito.

      Fingerling potatoes roasted in duck fat.

      Fresh strawberries with whipped cream on top of homemade biscuits.

      Wine was a Brunello di Montalcino.

      20-year-old port (Taylor Fladgate) after the meal.

      Music was a mix of old and less old: Ella Fitzgerald singing the Cole Porter Songbook (vols. 1 and 2) and the Rolling Stones' Sticky Fingers.

      I think Deb will be up for hosting a dinner party next year. We need to thank and show our appreciation to both friends and neighbors.

      --steve

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        vincentinparisandrome Apr 14, 2010 05:05 AM

        Cold feet? That's a shame! If the idea of throwing a dinner party is really that stressful, maybe you should skip it. Or if you look at it another way, you have a year to practice. You'll have fun mastering recipes so that when the time comes, you won't have to think twice about making them.

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          steve h. Apr 14, 2010 12:35 PM

          Patience may be the order of the day.

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      vincentinparisandrome Feb 20, 2010 09:38 AM

      Reading through the thread, I see that this meal must have come and gone already. But I also see that Ian and I must live in parallel universes, both of which are within spitting distance of the Coliseum.

      Steve, I hope your meal went well. I'd love to know what you decided in the end.

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      1. re: vincentinparisandrome
        steve h. Feb 20, 2010 01:42 PM

        We like to spend most of March in Rome (getting out of town right before Easter). Still plenty of time to obsess...

        As always, all thoughts/comments/criticisms are welcome.

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          vincentinparisandrome Feb 20, 2010 02:43 PM

          Oh. If this is for March, then I'll take you shopping if I'm around!

          And if you're really intimidated by the party planning, make thorough lists. (I am almost tempted to say make a spreadsheet if you're so inclined.)

          Order wine and water days ahead, buy and prepare what you can a day, even two days before. Keep last minute stuff to a minimum. But keep an actual list of EVERYTHING that needs to be done. Each dish can be broken down into at least four stages: shop, prep, cook, (last minute touches), serve.

          And remember, it really isn't any more complicated to cook for fifty that it is to cook for 4. You just have to have a clear picture of what needs to be done and leave yourself enough time to do it.

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        vincentinparisandrome Feb 20, 2010 09:32 AM

        Oh wow, this is a great thread. And as I moved to Rome a couple of years ago, I have loads of options. However, there are so many things you haven't told us: how many people are you inviting; what are your cooking facilities like? Are you comfortable cooking for a crowd this size? Do you want to serve them a very Roman meal? Or do you want to surprise generally conservative Roman palates with something a little more exotic?

        Just last week I threw a birthday dinner for a friend here. After a lot of discussion, it was decided that I would split the menu: aperitivi would be all (mostly European) finger food: salmon on blinis; appetizer spoons of broccoletti and speck; roast pumpkin with balsamic glaze and marinated shrimp, for example; poached quail egg with truffle salt. Then I made a huge mole, with black beans, rice, guacamole, fresh slasa and fried plantains, kind of a pan-Latin theme. (Desserts were the birthday cakes that I didn't have to make.) It worked really well.

        But I have done everything from home made suppli' and a big spaghetta for a crowd to American Thanksgiving dinner with the plumpest turkeys the markets could supply. You can get everything in Rome, and very easily too. You have supermarkets practically outside your door (there are a couple of decent de Spars on Corso Vittorio Emanuele). You can get fresh things in the morning from over-priced Campo de' Fiori. Or you could make a trip on the weekend to the farmer's market in Testaccio (in the old abbatoir, the site of the future Macro, the contemporary art museum). Anything exotic and non-Italian can be had at Castroni, or from any of a number of international shops around town. For wines, especially for a big party, I'd consider going to to Bernabei. I like their Testaccio branch much more than Trastevere (http://www.bernabeiliquori.it/). The selection is better (don't miss the downstairs) and staff is more helpful. And if you spend a reasonable amount (say over 50 euros) they'll deliver for free (with a small supplement for water). They have several reasonably priced magnums of prosecco and other sparklings that I like to serve.

        If you need help sourcing anything specific in Rome, please do not hesitate to ask!

        1. Parigi Feb 15, 2010 01:10 PM

          Steve, I also agree with others that you should relax and not feel intimidated.
          One dish we do often here in Paris which is very popular with our Parisian friends which you may do too is Pain de viande - meatloaf - esp Alice B Toklas's recipe using Mediterranean ingredients.
          The butchers on the Campo de Fiori have good pork and veal, the main ingredients. And the dish is well accompanied by fresh pasta.
          Plus it is not a local dish, yet the locals have something similar, which means your friends will be curious and appreciative with this easy pleaser, mildly exotic ma non troppo.
          You'll have a great time.

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            Flavor of Italy Feb 12, 2010 01:14 PM

            I lived on Via Giulia many years myself (now have a B&B / culinary company in north Rome). If you're really nervous go to a local restaurant or Roscioli on Via dei Giubbonari and buy already prepared foods. It's all homemade and delicious. Then focus on just a few things to do yourself. Wine's are easy enough. I always find it's nice to go with local wines.....if they're good. Casale del Giglio (a southern Lazio winery) makes great wines, both red & white.

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              ian_pink Feb 2, 2010 09:05 AM

              I'd recommend just cooking the thing you do best, and trying to do it on your own terms. We made Thanksgiving dinner for a group of Romans this past year and it was a big hit. They even piled the contorni on the same plate as the meat! Some of them took some getting used to the pumpkin pie--Romans are not used having their zucca sweetened--but I think everybody enjoyed trying new things.

              If you can introduce them to something that's familiar to you but not to them, it can reverse the power dynamic of them judging your ability to cook like a Roman. It's also worth remembering also that not all Romans are foodies, and if they are your friends they'll appreciate any effort you go to.

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              1. re: ian_pink
                steve h. Feb 2, 2010 12:24 PM

                Howdy, ian_pink. Thanksgiving overseas brings back memories. Deb and I cooked turkey dinner for a group of 20 or so at our apartment in Seoul. It was a resounding success.

              2. jen kalb Feb 2, 2010 08:20 AM

                I can add very little to the expert advice below except to echo the advice not to get too ambitious, to cook as much as your can ahead, to serve some excellent quality purchased antipasti and otherwise (with the single exception below) not to not veer too far from the familiar italian cuisine. My daughter recently recounted the bemused reaction at a communal Thanksgiving dinner to the american style pickled peaches she had prepared (not). I highly recommend serving contorni, including salad since you may have some lighter eaters, but they need not all be ones that are served piping hot. The one area that an american style dish might be warmly welcomed is dessert - if you wife makes some good desserts, why not splash out there?

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                  steve h. Feb 2, 2010 12:19 PM

                  Thanks, Jen. I'm puzzling out how best to introduce an American component.

                2. Sam Fujisaka Feb 2, 2010 02:43 AM

                  Relax

                  Keep the foods simple and clean, paying some attention to presentation

                  Have the afternoon meal up on the rooftop terrace, forget about the formal dining room.

                  Pour plenty

                  Have fun!

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                  1. re: Sam Fujisaka
                    mbfant Feb 2, 2010 03:12 AM

                    Have to disagree on the rooftop terrace. I have one and have spent years developing systems and menus for meals there, and it's my own home with an electric hoist for carrying trays from the kitchen, not a rental, which may be wonderful but will always lack something essential. I'd do aperitivi or maybe coffee up there. Don't forget, it's March, so uncertain weather, and somebody will always be worried about catching pneumonia if there's a breeze, and the food will get cold. Believe me, I've been there.

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                      PBSF Feb 2, 2010 07:56 AM

                      I agree with mbfant about taking the entire meal on the terrace. We have a terrace in Venice and trying to get a sit down dinner to go well out there is a huge chore and not worth it. Food gets cold in a jiffy. A stand up all antipasti affair or an informal sit around buffet is fine.

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                        steve h. Feb 2, 2010 12:31 PM

                        Howdy, Sam. Maureen and PBSF are right, of course. Still, there's something damned compelling about that view out over the rooftops to St. Peter's (not to mention the anti-mafia police station across the street).

                        "Pour plenty" - words to live by.

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                          Sam Fujisaka Feb 2, 2010 01:47 PM

                          Steve, they are probably right; but I've really enjoyed some roof top terraces in Rome. It all depends, I think, on the weather and on shade - tent awnings, adjacent walls, potted trees and the like. I'm sure you, Deb, and all your guests will have a great time.

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                            steve h. Feb 2, 2010 01:53 PM

                            The terrace is really cool. There's a potting shed up there with a window. I drag in a few chairs and hang out all snug and warm when the weather goes south. Love the terrace.

                      2. vinoroma Feb 2, 2010 12:21 AM

                        Ah, have been doing that for some years now and the best advice I can give is: Do not be afraid and just be sure of what you are doing/serving.
                        Go for Sunday lunch. Prepare as much as you can beforehand. Make antipasti easy and just serve some great salumi, olives, burrata etc. (Volpetti or Roscioli bought).
                        I do not agree with Maureen on the primo front - if you are accomplished cooks, you won't have a problem with cooking pasta right. I wouldn't go into risotto maybe, as that can really be time consuming, but nothing wrong with pasta. Also, depending on the apartment / kitchen, the informality of the group and your self confidence, it can be fun to prepare the primo while everyone is standing around, nibbling on salumi and nipping Franciacorta (not prosecco).
                        As a secondo, go for a nice roast - again, if you have a kitchen with an oven and trust yourself, you can do it yourself (the first lamb will be around - buy from Annibale, for example) and let it slow roast in the oven - not too much work but impressive results. Make some greens to go with it and some potatoes. If you don't feel comfortable with that, buy (pre-order) from Volpetti or Roscioli (heavenly porchetta!, sometimes they even have a very small one filled with foie gras - very, very expensive, but you can imagine).
                        Dolci, it seems to me in Italy in general, is perfectly fine if store bought - often when I invite Italians who don't yet know that I like to cook all my menu myself, bring a cake, tart or gelato as a host-present. I would say have a back up (like a pie) but expect them to bring some dolci, too, in which case you just serve both.
                        Take a walk through the markets (Campo bcs it is close to you, but also testaccio or trionfale if you can, they are better markets) a couple of days earlier to see what is in season vegetable-wise and get inspiration.
                        Have white and red wines. As for the ending, I love to surprise my Italian guests with sweet still wines that have a nice acidity - they are not used to them and fall in love with these wines. When you decide what your exact menu is, I can help you choose wines and name sources (I am a sommelier). If you want, you can contact me per mail and I will be very happy to help you.
                        In bocca al lupo!

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                          steve h. Feb 2, 2010 12:16 PM

                          Thanks for your offer of assistance. If memory serves, you were the sommelier at Trimani Wine Bar, one of my favorite places in Rome.

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                            vinoroma Feb 2, 2010 11:16 PM

                            Steve, sorry, I have never worked at Trimani, I have my own business (google will help you find out). But my offer for assistance is still valid!

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                              steve h. Feb 3, 2010 09:06 AM

                              Thanks, vinoroma. My memory isn't what it used to be.

                        2. PBSF Feb 1, 2010 10:23 PM

                          I can't speak for Romans but every year, we spend time in our Venice apartment and have cultivate a few Venetian friends that we occasionally have over for dinner. From our experience, most of them are just happy to be guests. We are also thankful that most are extroverts and the conversations are always lively. We follow a few rules:
                          Keep the number of courses to a minimum, otherwise, you will have dishes, pots and pans piling up.
                          You and your wife want to enjoy your guests and your guests want your company, therefore, plan ahead, serve some things room temperature, and not spend the whole evening holed up cooking. That would surely make your Roman friends uncomfortable.
                          Keep things simple. Cook a few things well rather than a lot of things not so well. It doesn't need to be a multi-course affair. Cook straight forward food that is forgiving and doesn't need a lot of babying. Make sure you are comfortable cooking for the number of guests you are inviting.
                          Cook what you and your wife are good at, provided you can get the ingredients in Rome. Given a menu of what to cook is generally pointless because we don't know your culinary skill or what your kitchen is like.
                          Usually we follow this plan for around 8 guests with some ideas:
                          I would serve some room temperature finger food on the terrace. Some suggestions: savory biscotti, crostini, stuffed eggs, simple poach or grill shrimp with a room temperature sauce (flavor mayonnaise, salsa verde, tartar sauce are just a start). Just set them out and let your guest help themselves. Pick a simple white wine to goes with them. If in doubt, can't go wrong with a decent champagne. In Venice, we always just serve prosecco (save a lot over champagne) or Compari spritz.
                          If you want to serve a first course after all that finger food: depending on the weather, a salad is always good and easy. You might want to jazz it up with some crabmeat, or smoke fish, citrus, etc. Keep the dressing simple, no creamy stuff. If the weather is cool, a soup or a bake pasta would be fine. Never risotto or a sauced pasta; too much last minute stuff and it rarely comes off perfectly the way one wants. For the main course, I would do a braise, a seafood stew or a roast. It is easy or can do ahead and fool proof. Italians, unlike we Americans, tend not to junk up the main course with too many side dishes. If you served a salad as a first coarse, can skip the vegetable and just serve an appropriate starch. If the braise has vegetables, just serve bread with it. Can serve a room temperature vegetable course (blanched and serve with a squeeze of lemon) if you feel a vegetable is necessary. I love cheeses, therefore, I always to serve a course before dessert. It can be a single cheese in perfect condition or an assortment of 3 different types: can't go wrong with a blue, a runny cows milk and a hard aged such as Parmesan Reggiano or Pecorino. If there is a dessert to follow, I just don't serve any fruit with it; maybe just some good nut bread. If you and your wife are good at desserts, this is the time to pull out all the stops. Even if the rest of the meal is not perfect, a great dessert always save the day. I have one rule: if there is a cheese course, I tend to stay away from heavy chocolate desserts but who am I to criticize debauchery. There is nothing wrong in going out to the best bakery and buy dessert because that is what most Italians would do. Or you can impress by serving cookies and a really good bottle of dessert wine. And if that is not enough, grappa afterward. As for wine, once you decide on your menu, use your nearby wine shop for advice. And coffee is always serve as a separate course after dessert. No dairy product with it. Since you are in Rome every March, you might already have an idea what is seasonal at that time: asparagus (room temperature as a first course?), maybe a baby lamb stew with artichokes or roast baby lamb, should be some good strawberries. I have not spent much time in Rome but we were there for a couple weeks two years ago with an apartment. Found a great butcher kitty corner from Il Forno on the Cp de' Fiori.
                          Hope the above gets you in the mood and set your mind in motion. Rome in March: wonderful, I envy you.

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                          1. re: PBSF
                            steve h. Feb 2, 2010 12:13 PM

                            Wonderful advice. A braise makes a lot of sense. While simplicity should be the order of the day, a little grappa at the end couldn't hurt (I'm a big fan).

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                              missmasala Feb 13, 2010 03:16 PM

                              When my parents (and I) lived in Rome, we had dinner parties all the time. Sometimes my mother made pasta, but more often she made something more exotic to Romans. Which would be my advice--make them something they themselves don't make at home. Hungarian, Asian (if you can get the ingredients), French--whatever you might be comfortable with. Korean? since you said you lived in Seoul.
                              Also, if they're your friends, they'll be thrilled to be invited and will enjoy themselves no matter what you serve. Especially if you and your wife are enjoying yourselves as well.
                              And yes, copious libations never hurt and were always a part of our Roman dinner parties.

                          2. mbfant Feb 1, 2010 10:11 PM

                            Is it Schadenfreude, or else why am I smiling? Welcome to my life. Whatever you do, do NOT be too ambitious, make sure they have plenty to eat, but without the abbondanza typical of somebody trying too hard. Don't show nervousness. DO take advantage of the prepared foods available at, for example, Volpetti or things you can just slice, thus saving your creative juices for a couple of well chosen dishes. If you try to make too many things from scratch, you'll get exhausted and possibly nervous, which you will be. Imagine that you have an adversary relationship with your guests, but you have to pretend you don't. You can give them something American, but not too scary or inviting of sarcasm.

                            Start with prosecco and a very good salami (like Cinta Senese) and two kinds of olive. Also a bowl of plain cherry tomatoes and a piece of very good mozzarella, which you do not encourage them to eat (it will spoil their appetite and see below).

                            The primo should be something you can make ahead, or all the women will be in the kitchen checking you don't scottare la pasta and they'll make you so nervous that you will. Serve pasta e fagioli, pasta e ceci, pasta al forno, something you can just heat up.

                            Likewise, the secondo should be either very quick cooking or, preferably make ahead, such as a pot roast or meatballs. Serve two vegetables or one and a green salad. In March you'll have a good choice. Don't serve puntarelle, because there's always someone who doesn’t like garlic. Announce that the mozzarella (above) is available in case someone doesn’t eat meat.

                            Make sure you have a full bread basket on the table at all times until you clear for dessert. And serve bread with the salami too.

                            Do what you like for dessert, including a homemade American-style fruit pie, which they like, and don't be ashamed to buy gelato and some sort of biscotto or a colomba or a pastiera napoletana, given the season.

                            As for wines, after the prosecco, I suggest sticking to one wine, which you will have laid in a good stock of, or one white and one red. Don't have a lot of different wines. Just keep pouring the same one, but since there's always someone who doesn’t drink the color you've chosen, make sure you have both. You might, depending on your menu, decide to serve white first, then red, which should not be too difficult. A moscato d'Asti with dessert is always a crowd pleaser. Have plenty of water on the table.

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                            1. re: mbfant
                              steve h. Feb 2, 2010 11:59 AM

                              Schadenfreude! I'm laughing out loud. We New Yorkers are pretty tough but I have to tell you that I'm getting a little "jelly-kneed" over this prospect.

                              Thanks for the sage advice.

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                                mbfant Feb 2, 2010 01:35 PM

                                Hey, I remember when the guests let it be known they'd had a good lunch in anticipation of a dinner cooked by an American. Their obsequiousness today can't erase the insult, but at least I'm having the last laugh.

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                                  steve h. Feb 2, 2010 01:47 PM

                                  That's a great story! When are you going to write "The Ex-Pats Guide to Conquering Rome"?
                                  I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

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                                steve h. Feb 2, 2010 12:05 PM

                                ...now I'll have to think about the music.

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