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Announcement: New Board Breakdown for Chowhound

We're pleased to announce that we'll be making some changes to the breakdown of the Chowhound Boards on January 28th.

You can see a state by state breakdown of the American boards and a screenshot of the complete new board breakdown here: http://chowhound.chow.com/boardsplits

We've tried to create new urban boards where interest demanded them, as well as divide up some of our regional boards, without leaving any boards with so little discussion or so few posters that they will die out.

We'll be starting the new boards empty, and manually moving active discussions over to new boards where it makes sense. If you're participating in a discussion that you think needs a new home, please go ahead and use 'report' to flag it for the moderators to move.

We're also inviting well-established members of the site to help move threads. If you already have the ability to update and add Restaurants to our database, you'll also automatically have this ability. If you'd like to help, please see this thread: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/682192

When searching on new boards, we'll automatically provides searches of previous boards as appropriate to help ensure you're getting complete search results.

Some of our current boards are changing boundaries or definitions, while others are being archived because all of their current territory is being shifted to new boards. Existing threads on those boards will be open for further discussion, but we'll turn off the ability to add new threads.

If you have any questions, this is the place to post them.

-- Jacquilynne, Community Manager for Chowhound

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  1. Absolutely delighted that New Jersey will finally have its own board! Thank you.

    1. A couple of questions re: the screen shot of the new listing --
      --where did What's My Craving end up?
      --where did The Best end up?
      --where did Technical Help end up?
      Thanks.

      36 Replies
      1. re: LNG212

        The Best still exists, and What's My Craving will be merged into it. Both those boards served the purpose of allowing people to talk about NYC-area chow without the rather tight geographic restrictions of Manhattan vs. Outer Boroughs vs. the close-in suburbs which were on Tristate, and neither of them were very popular, so we thought putting them on one board might help a little.

        The three different Site Specific boards just confused people and other than a few hardy regulars, no one had any idea which one to post on, so we'll be merging them all -- Technical Help, CHOW Feedback and Site Talk into a single Site Talk board.

        1. re: Jacquilynne

          Good idea wrt the merging of the Technical Help, Chow Feedback, and Site Talk into a single place. I've been one of those confused people.

          1. re: Jacquilynne

            Thanks for the info. Part of the problem with THE BEST is probably that (even now) the title of the board appears as The Best of the Mid Atlantic even though the board itself is listed with the NYC area stuff and, as you say, is supposed to be about NYC and the metro suburbs -- which the Mid Atlantic is not. I'm sure that's part of why people are/were confused. If the "new" board has a corrected title, maybe that will help.

            Thanks for the info re: Tech Help too.

            1. re: Jacquilynne

              Combining the Best and the What's My Craving Board is a good idea, but calling it "The Best" in my opinion, does not represent the WMC part. Although little trafficked (and some posts were not on topic) WMC was a great idea: help in finding difficult to find foods and restaurants in the NY Metro area. How about a better name. One thought «Across the Boards» or «New York Metro: Across the Boards». This might help find a home for the cross borough questions like «Where should I go: Luger's or Keen's?».

              1. re: bobjbkln

                Combining the Best and What's My Craving is great -- they're way too similar. But if I understand correctly, it's now going to cover the entire NYS and Tri-State area? This is not helpful. A good portion of NYC folks rely on public transportation and do not/cannot frequent great distances.

                1. re: Up With Olives

                  No, according to Jacquilynne above, that board would cover NYC and its immediate suburbs only - not all of NYS. I still think that's too much territory -- it should really be limited to just across the five boroughs.

                  1. re: LNG212

                    I don't want to draw hard and fast boundaries on what The Best should represent. The goal is to have it allow for some border crossing discussion in the areas around New York, which are quite close together but covered on several different boards -- Manhattan, Outer Boroughs, New York, South New England, and New Jersey all cover territory that are well within commuting distance of each other, and we know that can make it difficult for people who are seeking something specific and willing to cross those boundaries to get the information we need.

                    I'm not expecting people from far Upstate and Western New York to use The Best, since they don't have the same problem with their region being covered on multiple boards, but we're not going to limit it to Manhattan and Outer Boroughs, either.

                    1. re: Jacquilynne

                      I would have liked to have seen one board that represents the Entire Hudson Valley of NY, and Bergen Co. NJ (which is right on the NY State border). It's a bit cumbersome to straddle the NY board and NJ board. Figuratively speaking Bergen Co. might as well be in NY. No offense to anyone living in NJ....

                      1. re: michele cindy

                        Hi michele, As a NJ resident traveling the entire state, county by county for great CH, having NJ on one Board is wonderful. Anyone visiting NJ for the first time or the 100th time now has the opportunity to view one Board for one stop dining tips and rec's. If the CH Team separated NJ by counties how would that help all of us? I don't lump any NJ county in with any area of NY when I'm selecting a food destination. We could just as easily lump Philadelphia in with it's cousin NJ over the water. Ugh.

                        Now that the entire state has a separate Board and happens to be a state sectioned by counties; adding the county, town or area of NJ you happen to be reviewing or recommending seems like the best way to highlight any NJ Board post for clarity and ease of use. It's been suggested several times within this thread. How do you feel about that suggestion?

                        1. re: HillJ

                          HillJ, while I generally agree with you that it does make things more easily navigable with NJ all on one board, your point about the Philly suburbs isn't quite accurate. According to another post (and the title of the Philly Board itself), that board is indeed including the NJ suburbs. So I guess things aren't as clear cut as we may like. :)

                          1. re: LNG212

                            Are threads/posts still being moved LNG? I know a good deal of MidA posts were moved into the new, NJ Board. It was my understanding under the Board revamp that Philly would JUST be Philly.

                            1. re: HillJ

                              HillJ, I too thought that Philly would just be Philly. But if you go to that board it says quite clearly on the board heading "including the NJ suburbs". So the idea that NJ items would all now be found in one place is, I guess, a little misleading. I don't know how the mods are handling the moving of threads that are NJ but could also be construed as Philly-suburban.

                              I really have no dog in this race, so to speak. I'm checking NJ because that's where my sister lives and I'm in NYC so that's 2 more boards, with relatives in NYS and in-laws in CT. So no matter what, I'm all over the place!

                              1. re: LNG212

                                Gotcha. It is interesting that the Philly Board also states NJ suburbs. I have no idea what that refers to or what suburbs. Maybe Jacq. can shed some light on this when she checks in.

                                1. re: HillJ

                                  We try not to draw too tight or too specific boundaries around large cities because they usually fall outside their specific municipal borders quite substantially, and there are suburbs that everyone would absolutely consider to be an important part of a given city that are technically a different city and sometimes, as in the case with Philly, in a different state. But, we also don't want to stretch those boundaries to include every nearby place people from a given city even might go to eat occasionally.

                                  My intent isn't to draw off a lot of NJ discussion to the Philly board. Any place that's pretty clearly a destination / urban area in its own right (Trenton, for example) should be discussed on the New Jersey board. But Camden and Cherry Hill, as examples, are likely to get a lot more discussion if they're included with Philadelphia than as part of the general New Jersey board, because they're so tightly linked with that metro area.

                                  As mods, we also try not to segment those borders absolutely. A reference to or recommendation for a Camden restaurant in a thread about Southern New Jersey doesn't need to be split out and moved. But if it becomes a focused discussion with lots of good information about that restaurant then we may split it and move it to where it's most likely to draw the most interest and attention and additional information, which is on the Philly board.

                                  1. re: Jacquilynne

                                    Thanks, very helpful to know the process and thoughts behind it.

                          2. re: HillJ

                            Good suggestion. However the whole Hudson Valley could be consideded one destination, and I would lump N. Bergen in with it...

                            1. re: michele cindy

                              Okay, here's the problem. The Tri-state area (NYC suburbs including Long Island, Fairfield County CT, Westchester, Orange and Rockland Counties NY, and Northern New Jersey) were all together in one forum, and they were split up. As a result of the split, there's going to be a dividing line *somewhere*, and anyone living near the dividing line needs to check two forums to cover everything nearby. So if you move the forum boundaries, you're not really eliminating the problem; you're only moving it.

                              For example, where would you have the forum border run? I can guarantee you it will create problems elsewhere. If you include northern Bergen County into the forum with the Hudson Valley, then people who live in the rest of Bergen will need to check two forums; if you include all of Bergen County in the forum with the Hudson Valley, then people who live near its border with Passaic County will need to check two forums. That would also make it really, really confusing to have to figure out where a given restaurant belongs. One advantage of having all of northern New Jersey in one forum is that there's no confusion about what belongs there and what belongs elsewhere.

                              I'm not saying the new structure is great. I think the "New York State forum" is a real mishmosh because it merges Upstate with the NYC suburbs. It would have been better IMHO to have one forum for Upstate, a separate one just for Long Island, and at least one for the other suburbs in New York State (maybe even two, with the Hudson as the dividing line). And Fairfield County is yet another issue. But at least when you split it up by state, the boundaries are easy to understand.

                              1. re: nsxtasy

                                Under each Board heading it states what areas that Board covers. Plenty of posts could be moved to accommodate the changes but I would imagine that the pre Jan 28th threads will stay to a degree and post Jan 28th posts will fall under the new Board layout. Having just taken a peek at what you are referring to, I'd say the "moving van" has alot of work ahead (or not) if the older posts are going to be moved.

                                1. re: HillJ

                                  Here's what we've been told by the Chowhound Team. Some boards (e.g. Tri-State Area) have been replaced by new boards. Those old boards are labeled as a "general archive" (e.g. General Tri-State Archive forum). The archive boards can be searched, and posts can be added to topics there, but new topics cannot be created in the archive boards. The Chowhound Team has requested that any topics that have been updated since Jan 28 be moved to the appropriate new forum; an exception is made for updated topics that don't fit into an appropriate new forum (for example, a topic in the General Tri-State Archive about restaurants in Westchester and Fairfield Counties). There is not a lot of moving of such topics to be done, as only a few such topics get updated each day.

                                  That leaves the matter of topics in the general archive forums that have not been updated since January 28. The Chowhound Team has left it up to the user volunteers to determine which (if any) of those topics should be moved to the new forums. They could be left in place. Or, if the volunteers think certain topics are of particular importance, those could be moved. If volunteers want to move a lot of the older topics, they are welcome to do so, but it is not required by any means; it is up to the volunteers. As a result, there are some general archive forums (like the General Midwest Archive) where almost everything from the past several months has been moved into the new forums, and there are other general archive forums (like the General Tri-State Archive) where topics from early in January still remain. And they are saying that this is okay; if anyone wants to keep going through and do the work of moving the topics to the new forums, they are welcome to do so, but if that doesn't happen, that's okay too, they can stay in the general archive forums indefinitely. Anyone interested in doing some of the moving can find details and volunteer at http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/682192

                                  Anyway, this is my understanding based on what Jacquilynne and the rest of the Chowhound Team have posted in this topic (the one you are reading now). (If I have any of this wrong, please say so!)

                                  1. re: nsxtasy

                                    this is a very clinical approach to what they did. But they could NOT even decide amongst themselves whether to have exact lines or fuzzy lines.

                                    Look at your board in Chicago. It is the Chicago area. So someone has a good meal in Skokie it goes on the Chicago Board. If we live in Greenwich and walk down the street, yes walk down the street, to Portchester it is a different board. I literally live 1 mile from NY and posts I place on a good Italian place in NY, which has more CT cars in the lot than NY cars, and delivers cross-border goes on a board viewed by people in Buffalo, NOT CT.

                                    No perfect solution but i'm interested in whether the Mods will leave a post on the CT board that are less than a 9-iron on the other side of the geographic, but not culinary boarder.

                                    1. re: jfood

                                      There is always going to be a border somewhere. That was true with the old structure as well. You could be in the eastern edge of Queens at a restaurant which belongs in the Outer Boroughs forum, walk down the street into Nassau County, and poof, you're at a restaurant which belongs in the old Tri-State forum. The alternative, the only way you could avoid having borders going through populated areas, is to have one big board that covers the entire Tri-State NYC metropolitan area, including the five boroughs - which means people on the Island or in Jersey have to wade through posts about Manhattan and vice versa. Any time you split it up, there will be a border somewhere. Like you say, there's no perfect solution.

                                      1. re: nsxtasy

                                        you're missing the point.

                                        The powers to be created two subsets, those with exact borders and those with fuzzy borders. Look at Philly, it includes parts of NJ (poor Cheery Hill; is Trenton in NJ or Philadelphia), but Manhattan does not and it is NOT even a city; there 19 separate city boards; 5 use the word "area"; we have 2 "greaters"; a "metro"; and the twin cities are no longer MSP, but are FLL & MIA then the descriptions extends 20 miles north to Jupiter; The old Board had SouthEASTERN CT as part of the Tri-State but not SouthWEST (look at a map to see that silliness). Where does your Board end, Hoffman Estates, Barrington, Lake Geneva, the Wisconsin border. You want to include Gary Indiana, hey it's still in the area.

                                        No there is no perfect solution and it will depend on whether the Mods look for the gray versus the black and white. If Jfood posts on a Pound Ridge NY or a Vista NY restaurant on the CT board (or dual posts with the NY Board), that would be fine. But if they take a hard and fast rule and do not allow a post on a restaurant just because of the zip code versus the clientele, then the posters and the boards will suffer.

                                        1. re: jfood

                                          If we write Gary, Indiana in the post heading won't that help? If NJ-specific posts are showing up in Phily Board, I'm not seeing them in a heavy concentration but won't writing Cherry Hill in the post heading help? Small solutions for now, until better ones are offered.???

                                    2. re: nsxtasy

                                      Oh a bunch of us have volunteered to move posts; myself among them. But I didn't rec' any specific directions just access and I focused on MidA to new, NJ Board moves. I focused on posts from 2009 and favs up to 2002. The CH Team has the final say, naturally. The current MidA Board is looking good and the new, NJ Board is active as ever.

                                      nsx, if you have time, you could always offer to help move posts. There is plenty of housekeeping to go around.

                                      1. re: HillJ

                                        And that process could have used a bit of 6-sigma improvements. four clicks for three drop down menus plus verbiage. All you need was click on a "move thread" versus "contributor panel" then a drop down to the where to. KISS was not the MO. After a few hours, jfood stopped plus the threads stopped moving altogether. It could have been more volunteer-freindly.

                                        1. re: jfood

                                          We (a handful of us posted about this on the "moving" thread) asked several times for a simpler method. Nonetheless, we slog on, move posts and (hopefully) make the site enjoyable. There is always room for improvement and I have every reason to believe CHANGE is a constant on CH. Volunteering to help move posts gave me a chance to be part of the effort that actually gave NJ its own Board after years of asking. Years.

                                          1. re: HillJ

                                            Agreed, and the devil is in the detail. we'll see. so is Cherry Hill a NJ, a Philly or both? Jfood still does not believe that 609 is NJ. :-))

                                            1. re: jfood

                                              Ultimately, the majority of posters from the former Tri State area thought it made sense and didn't want it changed.
                                              If Chow wanted to break up the Tri State area because they wanted more black and white lines, the I would have at least understood that. If they made CT it's own board to keep things simple, I still wouldn't have liked it, but I would have understood it.
                                              The fact that they took a relevant board (Tri State) and made it irrelevant for all the people who used it is a huge step backwards. Dropping CT into a "Southern NE" board is awful. I'm already getting dismayed sifting through the posts. And I've probabaly only checked the NY board once (and again was dismayed sifting through stuff) - - - whereas I used to always read the NY topics posted to the Tri State area because they were relevant to me.
                                              I've already found myself less of a user of Chowhound (save for the topics already tied to the "My Chow" link) because of all the irrelevant topics now posted on my "primary" board.
                                              I've already posted this sentiment a few times here and I know that Chow isn't going to change anything today.... but I hope that posts like this remain in their memory for the next board update (in 2011 PLEASE!!!)

                                              1. re: foleyd7

                                                All we asked for in FFD county was to fix the heading from Southeastern to Southwestern CT. I feel my back is to Portchester and it feels weird. Three restaurants that i can walk to from my home are not on my "home" board. I went to the NY Board and it was worthless. I will miss all of Adamclydes recommendations from Portchester. I can't even post about my produce and grocery stores because they are in NY (shame on them). One step forward, two steps back f7. But maybe I might actually get to fairfield now.

                                                1. re: jfood

                                                  Stuck in Hartford County (more precisely- West Hartford) doesn't feel as stuck anymore now that CT has been reconciled. I don't have to surf 2 boards when we return to visit friends in Westport and Ridgefield. I kind of like it. And I can't wait for the Block Island postings to roll in on our new board! Maybe it's time for a RI roadtrip. Or not.

                                                  1. re: stuck in Hartford County

                                                    It's tough being a pretty date to the Prom. :-))

                                        2. re: HillJ

                                          As I wrote in October of 2009 http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/6569... when this subject was being discussed...(just good to see that some suggestions get implemented! ;-D> )

                        2. re: Up With Olives

                          I'm not from the area, but it sounds like a board defined by where public transportation can get you would be a good idea.

                            1. re: stuck in Hartford County

                              Takes me right back to the post about taking the bus from St. Francis to downtown Hartford for a business lunch. I know you remember it with the same hearty chuckle as I do. Ahhhhh, memories, like the corner of my mind... :) LMAO right there with ya!

                        3. re: bobjbkln

                          I think the What's My Craving and The Best boards are useless conversation killers. (I rarely will continue a conversation when it's moved to one of those boards.) My feeling is that Chowhound would be a lot better served if the moderators let genuinely cross-borough questions just stay where they're originally posted. Kind of an exception to to the usual rule of geographic purity. After all, these geographic boundaries are so arbitrary -- all it does is confuse and annoy people to move posts around.

                    2. I wish the "Europe" board could be at least divided into western Europe and eastern Europe.

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                      1. re: gutsofsteel

                        Why? I am from Prague and it has always really annoyed me how Westerners have this weird appetite to keep dividing the continent 20 years after the iron curtain which had divided it disappeared. This is a foodie board. What culinary reason do you have for this division? By way of example, Bavarian, Austrian and Czech food has a huge amount of similarities owing to a shared culinary culture throughout the centuries. Why should Czech Republic be separated from German or Austrian?

                        1. re: Asomaniac

                          I'm happy to see there's a Europe option for the nations not qualifying for their own board. Also, agreed with Asomaniac: One board is all that is necessary for that.

                          1. re: Asomaniac

                            Indeed. The old Austro-Hungarian empire, and linguistically and culturally Bavaria is very close to neighbouring Austrial. People forget that Bratislava is almost a suburb of Vienna now. And several hundred km west of there, that many people now commute between Strasbourg and Kehl, so long an armed border along the Rhine.

                            1. re: Asomaniac

                              Asomaniac, it's utterly absurd to bring EU politics and history into the debate!

                              Europe should be divided into multiple boards for the same reason that America is divided into multiple boards. It has nothing to do with politics, and everything to do with finding specific kinds of regional foods in an easy and accessible way.

                              Mr Taster

                          2. There should be (at most) an Indianapolis/Bloomington/West Lafayette board. We're in Indiana. but we're by no means "Great Lakes," and most of the best food is down our way.

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                            1. re: pikawicca

                              As an observer and sometimes poster in the soon-to-be-discontinued Midwest forum, I'm thrilled that Minneapolis-St. Paul will finally get their own board, and disappointed that this didn't extend to other large cities in the region, such as Detroit, Kansas City, Cleveland, St. Louis, and yes, Indianapolis. That being said, it's worth noting that Indianapolis and other Indiana locations will become a bigger portion of the new Great Lakes forum, now that posts for MSP and the Great Plains states (including Kansas City and St. Louis) will be elsewhere.

                              Also, periods of several days go by without any posts about Indiana eateries. I think the intent of the new structure was not to create boards for which that would occur. (I'm sure pikawicca knows that I am not dissing Indy by noting this; Indy is one of my favorite cities to visit, and I am appreciative of its restaurants and the information about them I've found on Chowhound.)

                              I think the new changes are a step in the right direction. Let's see how it goes before we start criticizing.

                              P.S. Indiana has some very nice beach communities on Lake Michigan, so it qualifies as Great Lakes. :) Quite aside from that, though, the Chowhound Team obviously wanted to break up the Midwest Forum, and separating those in the eastern part of the region from those in the western part of the region seems to make sense to me. Regardless of what name you give the new forums.

                              1. re: nsxtasy

                                While I am glad to see Minn-S. Paul split off (at times it seemed that half of the traffic on the Midwest board was from there), I wish that the Great Lakes and Plains hadn't split up.

                                My primary interest is in the area now on the Plains, but I still enjoyed and participated in the Great Lakes area. I'm not going to visit mulitple boards here, so the Great Lakes will now lose my participation.

                                I also worry that with the huge drop in posts to these areas (each will have about a third as many as before), people will visit this web site less often and overall posts will significantly drop.

                                1. re: nsxtasy

                                  "P.S. Indiana has some very nice beach communities on Lake Michigan, so it qualifies as Great Lakes. :) "

                                  Yes, but those communities are discussed on the Chicago board, since they are Chicago suburbs. It took years to convince Jim Leff that topics about NW Indiana, which has a physical border with the city of Chicago, belonged on the Chicago board. One hopes Chowhound will not make the same mistake twice.

                              2. Mass as southern New England - ouch !

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                                1. re: chowmel

                                  Yeah but I think Northern New England would feel even more wrong.

                                  1. re: chowmel

                                    LOL Lumped in with the heathens in RI and CT. I love it!

                                    1. re: chowmel

                                      The northern border of MA has traditionally been the dividing line between N and S in New England, just as the Connecticut river divides E and W.

                                      1. re: Karl S

                                        Except for the Merrimack Valley. The RT 495/RT 93 corridors are really northern New England. And everything from Lowell to Andover to Lawrence (MA) and Salem NH is one metro trading area.

                                        I spend three days a week in Andover, MA and cross into Salem to dine or shop regularly, and to buy alcohol at the NH state stores. From my office in Andover, it is 7 minutes to Salem.

                                        The attitude in the valley is definitely NOT southern New England.

                                        And there is nothing southern New Englsnd about Leominster, Fitchburg or Garner either.

                                        The Mass Pike is a more logical cutoff than the northern border of the state.

                                        It doesn't seem that the CH adminsitrators bothers to consult the readers and those who post about these areas.

                                        1. re: bagelman01

                                          I disagree; the Merrimack Valley part of Massachusetts is closer to the sensibility of Greater Boston than it is to, say, Burlington VT or Bangor ME. The administrators are using state boundaries by and large as dividing points, as they are the simplest to administer in terms of comment moderation; given that exigency, their division of N and S in New England is the best under that standard; no one seriously considers MA northern New England. (And I write this as someone whose network is largely in the I-93 corrider up into NH.)

                                          No one whose daily life straddles a state border is going to like a policy that uses state borders as a dividing line; but that problem that is true of all borderlines - just think how ridiculous it would be to treat Worcester as northern New England but Sturbridge as southern New England, for just one example.

                                          The Mass Pike cuts right through the middle of Greater Boston metro area. Most people in VT, NH & ME would laugh at the idea that Andover or Worcester or Amherst MA were "northern" New England.

                                          1. re: Karl S

                                            I grew up in Connecticut, went to school in Boston and lived in Rockport on the upper border. Every summer we vacationed in Maine, New Hampshire or Vermont.

                                            Based on a quarter of a century in that area the more logical division would have been

                                            Connecticut - Rhode Island (or Southern New England)
                                            Massachusetts (or Central New Enlgand)
                                            Northern New England

                                            I know the dividing damage is done, but if current traffic was a consideration, the way the boards were divided in the past probaly led to the low traffic for CT, RI.

                                            I could never convince any of my friends or relatives in Connecticut to use Chowhound because there were too few tips for CT. They got lost in all the other noise.

                                            I will not have any better luck trying to get anyone from that area to use those boards since they are going to get dominated by Massachusetts postings.

                                            And seriously ... for all those CT commuters on the boarder. Even living mid-state, I was more likely to know what was going on in NY and NJ than Massachusetts which was a state we drove through to get to Maine on vacation. People in my home town commuted to jobs in NY. No one ... NO ONE ... commuted to Massachusetts. It is called the Tri-state region for a reason.

                                            While I don't believe the Tri-State board was useful and was confusing, this new psuedo Tri-State board is even worse.

                                            I will conceede Rhode Island could be thrown up for grabs as I knew people who commuted from RI to Boston or other MA towns and visa versa.

                                            It is ironic. Chowhound started as a NY-centric forum with people clueless about the Western part of the country ... hence the alll those years of weeping and gnashing of teeth about a San Diego board.

                                            Now it is California-centric and New England. is being badly divided due to lack of familiarity ... I'm guessing ... and vacations to the East Coast don't count as familiarity.

                                            1. re: rworange

                                              Make a state a state.
                                              The concept of "New England" is just stupid.

                                              1. re: foleyd7

                                                Well, in Fairfield County, it probably is (but used not to be: my parents' families come from several generations in that county, and they considered themselves New Englanders, not suburban NYers. My father was a Boston Braves/Bees fan. By a generation ago, the division in CT became Meriden/Middletown.

                                              2. re: rworange

                                                Well, SE Massachusetts (Bristol, the southern part of Plymouth, Barnstable, Dukes & Nantucket Cos) has a lot more in common with RI and southeastern CT in terms of traditional food ways.

                                                The NY oriented part of CT was west of the CT river.

                                                1. re: Karl S

                                                  If you are in Mass and searching for dining in Lenox or Lee or Pittsfield, do you really want search results from multiple states that are hours and hours away? When you post a topic like "Best Burger Around" do you want to hear of places that require a full tank of gas (and more?) to get to?
                                                  If Chow wanted to break up "TriState" because they wanted each state to stand separate then I could buy that. If they wanted clear dilineation, then I get it. Make CT its own. Make Mass it's own, etc. But moving CT out of a relevant "grouping" and putting us in an irrelevant grouping is not progress. This re-org may be 2 steps forward for some, but it is 1 step backwards for Fairfield County.

                                                  1. re: foleyd7

                                                    MA and RI are not "hours and hours" away from Fairfield Co; hours yes, but not "hours and hours" (it's less than 3 hours from Boston to Fairfield Co, less than 2 hrs from Providence). They are closer to Fairfield County than many prominent locales within single US states are. NE has six states in 72K sq miles. MA, CT and RI together comprise under 25% of that area (about 30% bigger than the state of Maryland).

                                                    1. re: Karl S

                                                      Last time I drove to Provincetown on the cape it took me 6 hours.
                                                      I don't want their posts coming up when I'm looking for "local" topics and threads. If I want to search for Ptown, I should be able to search MA as it's own entity.

                                                      1. re: foleyd7

                                                        If you lived in Westchester, it would lake a lot longer than 6 hours to drive to the other end of your own state; that's true of a lot of states (it would take at least 5 hours to drive from Provincetown MA to Williamstown MA, significantly more in heavy traffic; Williamstown is less "local" to me here in the Boston area than Fairfield Co, which is only 3 hours away). Southern NE is small; as noted, it only 30% bigger than the entire state of Maryland, smaller than West Virginia.

                                                        1. re: Karl S

                                                          But size does not matter (FFD County alone is larger than Boston and every other city that has its own board....It is the POV of the customer , in this case the people of FFD county. NOT ONE poster in FFD Cty appears to have been included inthe VOC, and jfood was taught that progress means making things better, not worse.

                                                          1. re: jfood

                                                            I agree 100%. Why not give FFD County its own board, or couple it with Southern Westchester County NY? The number of posters and restaurants in these areas should deserve a second look (and thier own board).

                                                            1. re: Johnct

                                                              Second. I grew up in FFD and now live in Westchester. I'll go as far as Suffolk and Orange, but can't make it up to Albany or Buffalo!

                                                          2. re: Karl S

                                                            Williamstown is 5 hours from Ptown IN heavy traffic...... substantially less with light traffic.

                                                          3. re: foleyd7

                                                            Hah! lucky you. It is impossible to drive from Montréal to the far north of Québec - Nunavik, the remote Arctic - or even to some places on the Lower North Shore in the fare east.

                                                            I don't drive anywhere, but this site does pretty much cover the whole planet. so people have to figure out destinations that are logical for them.

                                                      2. re: Karl S

                                                        That is quite true about the Ct river. Still, a significant part of the population is west of the river

                                                        Personally, I'm just happy I don't have to share my hometown with Vermont anymore

                                                        While I don't agree that a state needs to be a state .... my Fairfield County relatives consider themselves pround New Englanders ... for a good chunk of people in CT, suddenly having to deal with Cape Cod, Ipswich, and Rhode Island posts may be a bit of a pain.

                                                        And yes, I do remember the toll booth stops on the Merritt Parkway ... and the rest stops with machines dispensing bad sandwiches wrapped in cellophane.

                                                  2. re: bagelman01

                                                    Bag., Washington Dc is closer to Boston than I am in Maine, you guys even talk funny! Kinda like a southern accent!
                                                    Why are there Boston Southies?

                                                  3. re: Karl S

                                                    I've never felt associated with southern New England. Geographically it may make sense but growing up in north central Ma , Ct and RI were the south. Its just personal experience, I know. When we travelled it was north not south. Makes me think of the Dunkins commercial Newyorkachusetts ! Its too warm down there !

                                                    1. re: chowmel

                                                      Consider that folks in ME don't even think of Portland southward as really Maine, and people in northern and central NH think of southern NH as overly dominated by Massachusetts.

                                                      1. re: Karl S

                                                        Yes, its all personal experience. And really mine is a gut reaction based on that, not on food or restaurants which is where I should be thinking.

                                                  4. re: chowmel

                                                    Northern New England has always been ME, NH and VT. Rural in character vs suburban/urban in character.