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Beans, beans, the magical fruit; which one do you prefer to toot?

Passadumkeg Jan 14, 2010 02:48 PM

I am a dried bean junkie. No 12 step program will ever save me. I am powerless over the pinto bean. I find it so subtly sweet and satisfying that I can't get enough. Dried Limas are up there too. Kidney beans leave me cold and unfulfilled and white beans are OK. Garbanzos are special as well. What's your predilection? Whiners need not apply.

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  1. c oliver RE: Passadumkeg Jan 14, 2010 03:20 PM

    Black-eyed peas!!!!! I'm a Southern gal, ya know :) Then probably pintos and garbanzos.

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      Passadumkeg RE: c oliver Jan 14, 2010 03:27 PM

      I'm glad okra ain't a bean!

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        c oliver RE: Passadumkeg Jan 14, 2010 03:32 PM

        Love okra - even slimey. For my late New Year's dinner I fixed pork, black-eyed peas, rice and collards. Just the two of us so plenty of leftovers. When it got down close to the end, I'd MW a little mid-morning snack of the peas, rice and collards all mixed together. That's the best. My daddy used to say if he outlived me he was going to have me stuffed with black-eyed peas :) I will sometimes just put some garbanzos in a bowl with oil and vinegar, s&p and eat them up.

    2. Will Owen RE: Passadumkeg Jan 14, 2010 03:43 PM

      My favorite commonly-found one (around Los Angeles County, that is) has for the past couple of years been the Peruano, or Peruvian bean. It's kinda like canellini in size and shape but maybe a bit larger, and ranges from off-white to beige or pale green; the flavor has some of the pinto's earthiness. I can get them canned or in bulk at the Latino markets. The best cassoulet I ever ate I made with those and lamb neck. Another rarer one I love is the White Cats that a guy at the Pasadena farmer's market has sometimes.

      c oliver, the only thing I miss about summer in Tennessee (except for lightning bugs) is the myriad varieties of field peas - yeah, blackeyes, but creamers, cowpeas, purple-hulls, lady peas, crowders, and several more I've forgotten. The Produce Place in Nashville gets these starting in early summer and they're pretty much gone by mid-August. So good...

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        Passadumkeg RE: Will Owen Jan 14, 2010 03:47 PM

        Will, I know the "Peruvian" bean from my years in Bolivia and agree. We will be in the LA are the week of 2/13, to escape the cold, and am looking forward to getting "beaned", heh, heh, heh.

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          c oliver RE: Passadumkeg Jan 15, 2010 03:05 PM

          Thanks to you guys, when I saw these Peruvian beans in an Hispanic market in Reno today, I knew to buy them. Thanks.

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          c oliver RE: Will Owen Jan 14, 2010 03:53 PM

          Yeah, I agree that there's little to miss about summer in the South but fresh peas are it. I find nothing more soothing than shelling a "mess" of peas. I can still find them occasionally at farmers markets in NoCal but pay the price.

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            Sam Fujisaka RE: Will Owen Jan 15, 2010 03:46 PM

            That "Peruvian" bean is fairly new on the scene. I worked in the bean growing area of Cajamarca, Peru, several (maybe 15) years ago. We collected several hundred samples of the traditional beans grown by (small) farmers with an objective of in situ participatory germplasm conservation. The beans were first grown out to test agronomic and physiological characteristics and to identify and quantify separate phenotypes and genotypes. We had a total of more than a 100 separate traditional bean varieties. Farmers who wanted to do so grew several of the beans each season and (as agreed) traded or sold seed to other interested farmers. Farmers also participated in germplam exchanges at seed fairs. So far so good, until local agro-business in Peru picked up in the larger light colored what was to become "Peruvian" for marketing to the US and elsewhere. POOF! Overnight the traditional beans all but disappeared as farmers scrambled to produce the Peruvians. Farmers did a bit better financially; but we took a hit regarding in situ (agro-) biodiversity conservation.

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              Will Owen RE: Sam Fujisaka Jan 15, 2010 04:12 PM

              Thanks for killing my buzz, Sam! Seriously, this is a downer, this market-driven drive to monoculture that will really be the death of food if it goes unchecked. The irony is - and I think it's rather a nice one - that prosperity seems to be encouraging diversity around here, in that acres of heirloom crops that had been ripped out and replanted in things like Red Delicious apples and tomatoes as sturdy (and tasty) as tennis balls, have now been re-ripped and re-replanted with stuff that may not ship worth a damn, but which people will pay $4 a pound for at the Farmer's Markets. That Produce Place market I mentioned buys seasonal stuff from local farmers, many of whom have returned to truck farming now that they have some good-paying outlets. This is not necessarily a worldwide trend, but if it doesn't spread we're cruising for some bad crashes. An article I read recently - Harper's or Atlantic, don't remember - zeroed in on the ubiquity of a Burbank potato, and pointed out that as soon as a particular potato disease hones its chops to pick on that variety we'll have another potato famine.

              By the way, I've noticed that one Latino-market brand of canned beans calls my favorites Peruanos on one side of the label and Mayacobas on the other. Judging from descriptions here they do sound very similar, but are they the same? Or just close? My bean-grower at the farmer's market mentioned that beans can be real sluts when it comes to cross-breeding, and that he has to keep his White Cats away from the Scarlet Runners!

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                c oliver RE: Will Owen Jan 15, 2010 10:10 PM

                The beans I bought today had both those names on the bag also.

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                EWSflash RE: Sam Fujisaka Jan 17, 2010 06:48 AM

                Okay, I won't buy them again. They were good, but I don't want to take part in the inhibition of biodiversity anywhere I can help it. Maybe the coca farmers could grow mayacobas instead

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                  Sam Fujisaka RE: EWSflash Jan 17, 2010 07:09 AM

                  Most bean growing areas are at higher altitude than coca growing areas.

            2. greygarious RE: Passadumkeg Jan 14, 2010 03:46 PM

              I like Rice Beans in vegetable soups, mostly for their appearance. They look like white TicTacs. They are small enough that presoaking is unnecessary.

              I love dried large Lima Beans, which cook up as what you'd find in cans as butter beans. It's confusing - they are NOT the same bean as the smaller, pale green froxen lima bean.
              The big, ivory ones are creamy-testures and mild in flavor.

              A year ago I bought a variety of Rancho Gordo dried beans, including white and dark Tepary beans (also small and not needing soaking) and marrow beans, which were supposed to taste like bacon. You couldn't prove it by me! I don't detect a big difference in flavor in most beans. If I were blindfolded and fed mashed beans, I wouldn't give myself good odds, other than for lentils and limas.

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                c oliver RE: greygarious Jan 14, 2010 03:53 PM

                Never heard of rice beans. Sounds good.

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                  Sam Fujisaka RE: c oliver Jan 15, 2010 03:52 PM

                  Rice beans (Phaseolus calcaratus, not a common bean) are grown mainly in China, India, and the Philippines.

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                FrankD RE: Passadumkeg Jan 14, 2010 04:08 PM

                There are no bad beans. I like 'em all, and one of the staples in my pantry is "bean medley", which is a mix of white and red kidneys, chickpeas, blackbeans, pintos, etc. I'll drain a tin of those, mix in some chopped garlic, and top with a little olive oil and balsamic for a great side dish. I'll also throw a few tablespoons of mixed beans into tomato or vegetable soup.

                But my absolute fave is my dad's baked beans. Navy beans, soaked over night, layered in with tomato sauce improved with molasses and spices, garlic, smoked pork belly, and onions, and cooked in a bean pot for about 4 hours, then served with a nice crusty hot bread and butter. I don't care what music I play later that night - they always taste like more.

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                  Passadumkeg RE: FrankD Jan 14, 2010 04:11 PM

                  Funny, I do a tremendous amount of Mexican cooking, but use pintos over black 10-1. I live in New England, but use white Navy style for French/Italian stews, not for Boston Baked beans (too sweet).

                2. chef chicklet RE: Passadumkeg Jan 14, 2010 04:19 PM

                  Agreed, there are no bad beans, the trouble now is to decide my preferred. Hmmm.
                  I just had navy neans with a huge ham bone the other day, my they were good.
                  Pink beans with pork, lots of spice. Outstanding
                  Blackbeans with all the accessories, sour cream, lime, cilantro, salsa, cheese, etc, can't complain.
                  Black eyed peas, creamy and the pure comfort food.
                  Lima beans, baby or large. Nothing better.
                  Kidney beans, eh. I don't like this bean, the skins is tough, and they just don't get creamy, definitely my least favorite, the skin is tough, don't care for that.
                  Pinto beans are really good, oh yeah, with some great cornbread, can't get any better.
                  My favorite....well the pinto bean, not a a bean that you hear much about, but let me tell you, a bowl of these, some good cornbread, a little sour cream, cilantro and hot sauce and I don' t want anything else.... here ya go, a little eye candy.
                  http://www.flickr.com/photos/7220939@...

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                    Passadumkeg RE: chef chicklet Jan 14, 2010 04:25 PM

                    My first year of teaching in New Mexico, we got paid once a month. Over Christmas, before the holiday, at mid December and not again till the end of Jan. My bro, cousin and I went to San Francisco and blew all our money. We existed the month of January on pintos and corn bread and still love 'em.
                    Putting 5 kids trough college the last 11 years, we've eaten a lot of beans. I buy them in 25 or 40 lb bags from out healthe
                    coop.

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                      chef chicklet RE: Passadumkeg Jan 15, 2010 08:13 AM

                      and that's where I learned to make pinto beans.
                      i just realized that the photo I posted above was the blackeyed peas, oh well, nothing wrong with those either but here's the real star
                      http://www.flickr.com/photos/7220939@...

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                      Will Owen RE: chef chicklet Jan 15, 2010 12:42 PM

                      "Kidney beans, eh. I don't like this bean, the skins is tough, and they just don't get creamy, definitely my least favorite, the skin is tough, don't care for that." Are you sure you're getting fresh ones? I was given a 5-lb bag of canellini one year by my late pa-in-law, and swear to god they must have been several years old. I decided they were not going to defeat me and cooked them over and over until they became edible. I think it took four days!

                      Anyway, kidney beans are something I always have canned, probably because canned kidneys were our family's canned bean of choice. We had them in skillet casseroles, in a dish my mom called "goulash" which would not have been allowed into Hungary (though we loved it), and in the bland hamburger and tomato soup that passed in our house as chili. I still use them in that skillet dish, when we're between weight-watching...

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                        Tripeler RE: Will Owen Jan 15, 2010 04:28 PM

                        For me, kidney beans are only good in salad.

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                          chef chicklet RE: Will Owen Jan 16, 2010 08:02 AM

                          I don't know, I buy a bag I hope they're fresh. I make chili with this bean most of the time. I'll eat them, it's just the texture is tougher to me than most beans. I rarely use canned beans, preferring dried, do you recommend a dried kidney bean that I might like? 4 days doesn't scare me by the way, we do what we must.

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                            Will Owen RE: chef chicklet Jan 16, 2010 10:41 AM

                            I will buy and use canned beans for two simple reasons: time and money. If I want a big pot of beans I'll go from dry, but a small batch uses the same amount of cooking gas as a big batch, or damn near, so the savings from buying a small bag over buying two or three cans are largely illusory by the time they're cooked. As for quality, cooking them in the can as the canners do yields finished beans of a quality I find hard to match in an open pot; the only time I've come close was when I followed a Saveur recipe for Tuscan-style beans slow-cooked overnight in the oven, or in a cassoulet which is done the same way.

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                              chef chicklet RE: Will Owen Jan 17, 2010 08:00 AM

                              Really? you mean all beans or the red kidney? I honestly have only eaten refried canned, garbanzo and red beans when someone else makes a salad. I do like them in a salad come to think of it and for darn sure they must be canned. I am one of those sick individuals that loves to stand over the stove and stir and fuss. Just a habit, but I'll have to check them out WO, you know how we tend to get stuck in our ways!

                              Cassoulet, which reminds me that was one of the dishes that someone made on the FN challenge to be the next star. If I remember it was the winning dish, and she used canned beans!

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                                bushwickgirl RE: chef chicklet Jan 17, 2010 08:32 AM

                                The FN next star contestants were limited by time; otherwise, canned beans in cassoulet is a travesty.

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                                  Will Owen RE: bushwickgirl Jan 17, 2010 11:53 AM

                                  Only because the beans and meats should be cooked together, after the beans become cooked through but before they're fully tender (in other words, at the point where you can safely add salt). But a quick dish of canned beans and lamb shank or neck, and maybe some duck if you have it and sausage too, while not actually a cassoulet is pretty damn tasty. Especially if you have the ingredients and a cold, nasty day you don't want to go out into.

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                                    Humbucker RE: Will Owen Jan 17, 2010 01:11 PM

                                    "after the beans become cooked through but before they're fully tender (in other words, at the point where you can safely add salt)"

                                    FYI, salt can be added at the start of cooking. Contrary to popular belief, it doesn't keep the beans from softening completely.

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                                      Will Owen RE: Humbucker Jan 17, 2010 01:18 PM

                                      If Frank McGee or Shirley Corriher said that, I'll believe it. A number of the food writers I trust have said otherwise, and my own experience seems to have confirmed that. It's possible I was trying to cook beans that were too old, but right now I'm soaking two pounds of Tarbais, for which I paid a ridiculous sum, and I'm taking no chances!

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                                        Passadumkeg RE: Will Owen Jan 17, 2010 02:36 PM

                                        Do not assault the beans before cooking!

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                                          Humbucker RE: Will Owen Jan 17, 2010 02:40 PM

                                          Cook's Illustrated says:

                                          "Adding salt right at the start of cooking, which is thought to toughen the skins and increase cooking time overall, was actually a good idea--the only way we found to season the beans properly. The threats of tough skins and prolonged cooking never materialized."

                                          From Harold McGee (the McGee you meant to refer to?):

                                          "Salt does slow the softening of dried beans, but adding it early also gets salt into the bean interior, while adding late leaves most of the salt on or near the surface. If you’re thinking ahead early enough to presoak the beans, salt in the presoaking water actually speeds the cooking, in addition to salting the beans evenly."

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                                            Passadumkeg RE: Humbucker Jan 17, 2010 03:23 PM

                                            Sorry, read all you want, but my 40 years of cooking bean says otherwise.
                                            Zorba

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                                              Humbucker RE: Passadumkeg Jan 17, 2010 04:52 PM

                                              May you cook beans for another 40 years, but I've been cooking them for less than ten, so I've been following the lead of the testers at CI.

                                              My biggest problem is that I have hard water! When I remember, I use bottled water, but it seems like such a waste. I've heard baking soda also helps, but I don't like the effect it has on the nutritional value of the beans.

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                                                FoodFuser RE: Humbucker Jan 17, 2010 11:27 PM

                                                I too suffer from hard water. Best solution I've found is to score a few milk crates and go to walmart and use their filtered reverse osmosis water machine, for 39 cents a gallon in plastic bottles that last for years. Makes all the difference for beans, stocks, etc.

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                                                  EWSflash RE: Humbucker Jan 18, 2010 05:50 PM

                                                  I have hard water too, and it gets more so with the advent of the Colorado River water blend here. The best thing you can do is check out your local water company's water quality web sites if they have them, and you can get the components of your water if you want to do something about the quality. But people in a lot of bean-eating countries have really funky water for a lot of reasons, so you know what? It doesn't much matter, I don't think. We all have our own schticks, do your own things and don't think you're the ultimate expert!!!

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                                                  Caitlin McGrath RE: Passadumkeg Jan 17, 2010 05:16 PM

                                                  Here Chowhounds talk about their experience with the brining method: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/619965

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                                                  EWSflash RE: Humbucker Jan 17, 2010 04:33 PM

                                                  I'm with you on this one, humbucker. If you don't add salt at the beginning they end up tasting Totally Sodium Free, and I for one cannot handle sodium-free beans. It's as bad as salt-free eggs or potatoes.

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                                                    Passadumkeg RE: EWSflash Jan 18, 2010 01:35 AM

                                                    Hmmm, brining, I will give it a try. I just remember one occasion, can't remember any details, of salted beans not cooking.

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                                              just_M RE: Will Owen Jan 18, 2010 02:25 PM

                                              Will Owen; do you have a favorite recipe? I've never made or even looked at a cassoulet before but I just happen to have a beautiful, freezing cold storm, a hot wood stove, 2 lamb shanks, 1 lb of neck (I have no clue what to do with), beans and sausage galore, no duck but I do have chicken or I guess I might be able to get some when I risk life and limb to pick up kid 2 in town... If not for tonight there is always tomorrow. TIA - M

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                                                Will Owen RE: just_M Jan 18, 2010 04:38 PM

                                                I do have a favorite recipe, but it calls for a slow oven - or I guess a back-of-stove heavy pot if the lid's good and tight. Email me at <nashwill912@earthlink.net> and I'll send it along. As for the current job at hand, after two days of soaking most of the tarbais plumped up OK. There was about a cup out of the two pounds that didn't; they were easy to spot because they were still bright white and clanked when they hit metal. The plump ones went into a pot WITH 1 1/2 LBS OF SMOKED PORK NECK! Yes, I thought I'd defy common wisdom including my own! And guess what? After 7 hours in a 275º oven, they are plump and tender and a bit on the salty side. And I have blistered fingers from deboning hot neckbones...

                                                For the record, our tap water is rock-hard. And yes, I did mean HAROLD McGee, but didn't have reference handy.

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                                                  chef chicklet RE: Will Owen Jan 18, 2010 05:31 PM

                                                  so wait all this talk back and forth what are your steps? Do you salt in the beginning? Okay I'm going to take a beating. I always use dried beans, I too live with hard water, and yes I've lived in Albq. I know the beauty of a pink pinto bean and I do, yes I do salt the beans in the beginning, again in the middle and at the end if they need it. I make great beans. I've had one or two disasters. Using a huge pot that the bottom was too thin - scorched beans. Tossed then and cried.
                                                  I also cooked a pot of beans, I really don't remember what kind. I cooked them and cooked them on the stove top for two days. On the second day they started to soften. I was over them, and I tossed those too.
                                                  Now I always use the slow cooker, and the results after 12 hours or so are perfectly creamy beans. I've had equally as good results in the oven using a large dutch oven and if it's a day I'm home all day I'll do that. It's just so darn easy to throw them in a crockpot and turn them on high, then turn then down halfway throught the cooking process.
                                                  I am looking forward to cassoulet with duck, sausage, ham shanks and I[ll use the little white beans. I love my beans,: ) Thanks for reminding me to make cassoulet!

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                                                    Will Owen RE: chef chicklet Jan 18, 2010 07:03 PM

                                                    Sorry, should have mentioned that the smoked neckbones, being a commercial product, were of course quite salty. Interesting phenomenon: the broth the beans are now in is not particularly salty at all, but the beans themselves are. Anyway, I did not add any salt per se, but knowingly and with full intent did insert salty material into the cooking process at the very beginning, with the end in view of salting those things from the outset. Worked, too.

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                                                      buttertart RE: Will Owen Jan 19, 2010 05:15 AM

                                                      Hmm. Hope the tarbais I bought yesterday for a fairly astonishing $13.00 for 14 oz (don't want to make a gigantic pot) cook up as well as yours. Will report.

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                                                        greygarious RE: buttertart Jan 19, 2010 06:37 AM

                                                        I googled Tarbais beans, thinking that the Emperor's tailor must have given up his profession and gone into farming. A David Lebowitz article said they are expensive because since they are planted to grow by climbing cornstalks (think Native Americans' "three sisters" principle), harvest is labor-intensive. I've never had these designer beans, but how much different could they be from off-the-rack beans? I can't imagine paying lobster prices for squid. End of metaphor-fest! ;-D

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                                                          buttertart RE: greygarious Jan 19, 2010 06:45 AM

                                                          Very interesting indeed. They really taste a lot better (to me) and their texture is not as mealy as a Great Northern or lima (neither of which I like particularly). What the heck, the freaking goose cost a bundle too, want to make as much out of the leftovers as possible - and have them as palatable as possible since we'll be eating them for several meals (only 2 of us at home).

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                                                            danieljdwyer RE: greygarious Jan 19, 2010 07:10 AM

                                                            I don't think they're quite worth it, but they are a lot better. There is a substantial enough difference that bistro owners and French chefs are willing to drastically increase food costs on a dish they could be making a huge profit on. Food cost wise, cassoulet is usually a great deal in bistros, which is part of why I never buy the pricey tarbais beans to make cassoulet myself. The ingredient cost to cook it myself is almost the same as ordering it in even an overpriced bistro.

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                                                              greygarious RE: danieljdwyer Jan 19, 2010 08:25 AM

                                                              This raises the question of whether Tarbais are inherently better-tasting, or whether there is some nutrient advantage to the Three Sisters planting method that would improve the flavor of any bean grown that way. The article on Tarbais beans only mentioned corn, so I don't know if squash is grown along with them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Si...

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                                                            buttertart RE: buttertart Feb 1, 2010 07:35 AM

                                                            Haricots tarbais report: Made the CI streamlined cassoulet recipe (good recipe btw) from the December issue. It calls for soaking the beans in salt water, which I did. It also calls for putting them inthe pot just soaked, which I did (semi-reluctantly). The totally weird outcome? Some of the beans cooked and some didn't (not just the ones on the top layer either). I may have gotten a bag of beans of mixed vintages, I don't know what else would have made this happen. Had to cook the dish longer to get all beans edible, by which time the ones that were more obliging were breaking down. And the final verdict? Haricots tarbais are NOT the ones in the cassoulet we had in Paris - those were an odd, almost triangular shape, and very good-tasting. The tarbais are like a slightly bigger and more curved cannelini bean in taste and shape. Would not lash out the $$ for them again. I wonder what the ones in Paris were - the owner of the restaurant is a crusty kind of guy, I would almost be afraid to ask him!

                                    2. EWSflash RE: Passadumkeg Jan 14, 2010 05:16 PM

                                      Pintos- raised on them, will always love them
                                      black beans- newer to me but I love them just as much- different but just as wonderful
                                      LOVE black-eyed peas, probably all their corollaries, too. Yummy.
                                      garbanzos
                                      Limas, I prefer fresh baby ones, but they're all good
                                      boston baked beans is about the only way I like those little navy beans
                                      Lentils- meh
                                      I got a bag of these big dry beige-green beans, and cooked them up- they were a mexican brand, they took a long time but cooked up really nice, creamy, and delicious. Don't remember what they were
                                      Fava beans,with or without a nice chianti.

                                      I have to agree with Passadumkeg, kidney beans leave me cold, although I don't hate them enough to not eat them when served, usually .

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                                        just_M RE: EWSflash Jan 15, 2010 09:25 AM

                                        <<<I got a bag of these big dry beige-green beans, and cooked them up- they were a mexican brand, they took a long time but cooked up really nice, creamy, and delicious. Don't remember what they were>>>

                                        I have some like that and they are called Mayo Coba beans. This may sound strange but they remind me flavor and texture wise of limas, with just a hint of the verdant taste of baby limas and a creamy texture approaching that of large lima/butter bean. I have found a long cold soak and long cooking at a bare simmer or in the crock on low really enhances the creaminess while keeping that perfect toothsome texture.

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                                          EWSflash RE: just_M Jan 15, 2010 10:21 AM

                                          Yep, that's what they were, all right. They needed long slow cooking, like you said, and surprised me with their deliciousness at the end. I didn't soak them so they simmered even longer before theywere done. Totally worth the wait.

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                                            just_M RE: EWSflash Jan 15, 2010 05:49 PM

                                            They are good. I did mine simply with pork. How did you do yours?

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                                              EWSflash RE: just_M Jan 17, 2010 06:50 AM

                                              with the leftover bone from a Costco spiral ham, oregano, salt, and pepper.

                                      2. Tripeler RE: Passadumkeg Jan 14, 2010 07:41 PM

                                        I'm fairly picky about the beans I use for chile con carne, and my favorite ones are the very small beans from Central California called "poquitos." For an everyday eating bean, I like Great Northerns, commonly known as "navy beans."

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                                          KristieB RE: Passadumkeg Jan 14, 2010 07:59 PM

                                          For baked beans I use navy or Great Northerns like my mother and grandmother.

                                          Chili I use kidney, or sometimes black beans

                                          Ham and bean soup requires creamy navy beans.

                                          I make a dish of garbanzos cooked with garlic, onion and ham. A little red pepper flakes and thickened with cornstarch. Serve with corn bread, beer bread or just plain ol bread for a satisfying supper on a cold night.

                                          Cuban Black beans need no explaination.

                                          When I lived in Virginia I was pleasantly surprised to find fresh black-eyed peas in the farmer's market. YUM.

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                                            Pat Hammond RE: KristieB Jan 15, 2010 04:41 AM

                                            I like Jacob's Cattle or soldier beans for baked beans. The Jacob's Cattle bean is beautiful, dark reddish, with white dots. They're both good, very old New England beans that I remember from my Maine grandmother's bean pot suppers. I use them too, when I can find them.

                                          2. Cheese Boy RE: Passadumkeg Jan 14, 2010 09:06 PM

                                            You absolutely need to include FAVAS in your bean rotation. They are beans that go all the way back to ancient Egypt as a staple in the diet of the pyramid builders. Come on, that's enough reason right there. Eat some favas and build a pyramid in your back yard. I hear the acoustics in there are kickin'. [Stick to dried and peeled fava for now only].

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                                              Passadumkeg RE: Cheese Boy Jan 15, 2010 02:35 AM

                                              A Portugese bar/resto close to my parents used to giv you a saucer of favas as soon as you sat down at the bar. I still buy dried favas at the local Egyptian import store.

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                                                Rmis32 RE: Cheese Boy Jan 17, 2010 09:22 AM

                                                Yes, fresh favas, in season, are just wonderful.

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                                                roro1831 RE: Passadumkeg Jan 15, 2010 05:32 AM

                                                Any bean produced by Camellia Beans, especially the red kidney beans and great northern varieties

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                                                  danieljdwyer RE: Passadumkeg Jan 15, 2010 08:17 AM

                                                  I love them all. Pintos and white beans are fairly all purpose for me. The others all have their place in certain dishes. Kidney beans are great in a soup of rich chicken stock, vegetables, and rice, or in Louisiana style red beans and rice. Plain black beans are great in a burrito, as a side with some Latino dishes, refried, cooked until they start to fall apart over rice, or in a feijoada like pork and bean stew. I really only use chickpeas for hummus. They're okay in other preparations, but not my first choice. Lentils prepared just about any way, served with just about any starch, are about as perfect a quick weeknight meal as I can think of. Azuki beans and soybeans are good in so many different preparations that I'm almost embarassed to say I pretty much only use them in miso form.
                                                  But my favorite are gandules, especially the green ones - which are supposedly also called pigeon peas, but I can't say I've ever known anyone who calls them that or seen them called that anywhere. Arroz con gandules is among my favorite foods. Pigeon pea and squash stew (gandules guisados) is a really fantastic dish - flavorful and interesting enough to serve to guests, yet healthy and cheap enough to be a great winter staple. There's a great southeast African preparation of pigeon peas in coconut milk that I don't know the name of but make now and then. They are great for dal, stewed with pork in the Puerto Rican style, or stewed with goat in the Jamaican style. I hear there are also lots of good Asian and Pacific Island preparations, but I have't gotten to those yet.

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                                                    Sam Fujisaka RE: danieljdwyer Jan 15, 2010 03:50 PM

                                                    ALL of us agronomy / agricultural research types call pigeon peas (Cajanus cajan, not a common bean) "pigeon peas".

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                                                      danieljdwyer RE: Sam Fujisaka Jan 15, 2010 04:43 PM

                                                      Any idea where the term comes from? Is there a nation or region the US where they're called that?

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                                                        meatn3 RE: danieljdwyer Jan 15, 2010 06:06 PM

                                                        I've seen them called that through most of the Caribbean.

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                                                          danieljdwyer RE: meatn3 Jan 16, 2010 07:54 AM

                                                          Huh. I've never been anywhere English speaking in the Caribbean. My Jamaican students called them gungos, so I guess I assumed that was standard in Afro-Caribbean English creoles.

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                                                    melly RE: Passadumkeg Jan 15, 2010 08:53 AM

                                                    Best beans in the world can be found here http://www.ranchogordo.com/Merchant2/...

                                                    Heirloom beans...yum.

                                                    I love the nutty taste of Borlotti beans myself.

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                                                      Rasam RE: melly Jan 15, 2010 09:13 AM

                                                      Being a good desi girl, I love all kinds of beans and lentils, sabut and split dals. Can't think of a single bean I don't like, though definitely I can think of some recipes that are less than stellar.

                                                      It's a 2010 resolution to work my way through ranchogordo's inventory and try a variety of recipes for each type of bean he has. That should keep me busy through the next decade.

                                                      And quit hatin' on the kidney beans (though it leaves more for me), but find a good Rajmah recipe, try it, and report back.

                                                      That seems to be my stock response to anyone saying they don't like a particular vegetable (especially okra) or bean: try a great Indian recipe, then talk :)

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                                                        greygarious RE: melly Jan 15, 2010 09:54 AM

                                                        I've ordered from both Rancho Gordo and www.purcellmountainfarms.com
                                                        I found no difference in quality. The latter has a much larger variety and is generally cheaper.

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                                                          Rasam RE: greygarious Jan 15, 2010 10:13 AM

                                                          Thanks for the tip greygarious!

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                                                          Beckyleach RE: melly Jan 19, 2010 09:18 AM

                                                          I am a Rancho Gordo fan for life. My favorites are Good Mother Stallard (just stocked up on five pounds), Eye of the Goat, and white tepary. Aside from those, my mother's pinto beans (she died and took the recipe with her, alas!!!!) were my favorite.

                                                        3. EWSflash RE: Passadumkeg Jan 15, 2010 10:25 AM

                                                          Oh no- I almost forgot three of the best. Nice fresh raw green beans, edamame, and the Japanese red beans they make sweets with in Japan.

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                                                            danieljdwyer RE: EWSflash Jan 15, 2010 10:41 AM

                                                            "The Japanese red beans they make sweets with in Japan."
                                                            Azuki beans. If you like those, I would strongly recommend giving this a try:
                                                            http://www.southrivermiso.com/store/p...
                                                            I've converted many people in to miso lovers with this product. Occasionally the azuki bean tamari is also available, and it is my absolute favorite soy sauce (though I guess it technically is not a soy sauce, as it contains no soy).

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                                                              Humbucker RE: EWSflash Jan 15, 2010 11:19 AM

                                                              Bean based sweets are so underrated! I'd take red bean paste over chocolate any day. If they weren't so bad for you, I'd eat red bean moon cakes for breakfast and dessert every day.

                                                              Another favorite that isn't azuki bean based is kuri manju, a pastry filled with sweetened white bean paste. Also, although not entirely composed of beans, the almond cookies that Macau is known for get their great powdery texture from the use of mung bean flour.

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                                                                EWSflash RE: Humbucker Jan 15, 2010 03:45 PM

                                                                You're so right about their being underrated. I love those Korean sweets with the sweet rice flour and the red bean paste in the middle- I'll take them over any cookies any time.

                                                            2. BeefeaterRocks RE: Passadumkeg Jan 15, 2010 10:33 AM

                                                              I never met a bean I didn't like. Least favorite is probable red kidneys. I like them best in salads, either with red onion, celery, sometimes cauliflower and blue cheese or ranch dressing or of course the how ever many kinds of beans you have in the pantry bean salad. I recently discovered Greek Fasolia Gigantes in a salad I bought at a deli, very good. Wish I could find them somewhere other than on line.

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                                                                Sharuf RE: BeefeaterRocks Jan 17, 2010 06:12 AM

                                                                When tomatoes are out of season, sometimes you need something red in your salad. That, IMO. is the only reason to use kidney beans.

                                                              2. Sam Fujisaka RE: Passadumkeg Jan 15, 2010 03:56 PM

                                                                Black beans (in spite of having access to 100s of varieties and 1000s of traditional bean cultivars here at the research institute).

                                                                1. meatn3 RE: Passadumkeg Jan 15, 2010 06:14 PM

                                                                  I really like any bean except red kidney beans. Just have never cared for it.

                                                                  I probably cook lentils the most since they are so quick and versatile. Pintos and black eyed peas are just plain comfort food. Black and red beans I use a bit too. Garbanzo beans I tend to only use in salads. Each year I use edamame more and more - the frozen is so fresh tasting and adds a bright flavor to many dishes.

                                                                  1. tcamp RE: Passadumkeg Jan 16, 2010 07:12 AM

                                                                    Black beans, followed closely by pintos and garbanzos.

                                                                    But really I like all of them. I've got pink beans in the crockpot right now to make into a sort of red beans and rice dish with smoked sausage.

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                                                                      Alan N RE: tcamp Jan 17, 2010 06:00 AM

                                                                      Same as tcamp.

                                                                    2. bushwickgirl RE: Passadumkeg Jan 17, 2010 05:48 AM

                                                                      I'm surprised no one mentioned yellow eye beans, my fav for NE style baked beans and Cassoulet. Available from Rancho Gordo and Purcell Mountain Farms, but you may even be able to find them in your local supermarket or co-op.
                                                                      I like Mexican red beans (smaller, not kidneys) for Red Beans and Rice, garbanzos, gandules, black Beans and rattlesnakes (speckled yellow and purple) as a sub for pintos, also available from Purcell, French green lentils and black-eyed peas.

                                                                      1. Passadumkeg RE: Passadumkeg Jan 17, 2010 06:09 AM

                                                                        Although obviously not a bean, I also used dried corn quite a bit. Yesterday I made homny from our cashe of dried corn ans soaked pintos. As I type, beef heart is simmering, for a pinto bean, green chile, hearty posole for lunches next week.
                                                                        Beans and corn, what a great combination!
                                                                        edit: My SIL send me bags of small dried corn she calls "chicos" and I soak and cook some w/ my pintos for a complete protein, w/out meat.

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                                                                          BeaN RE: Passadumkeg Jan 17, 2010 08:06 AM

                                                                          that posole sounds killer good! I have chunks of beef heart in the freezer. what else do I need?

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                                                                            Passadumkeg RE: BeaN Jan 17, 2010 10:59 AM

                                                                            B, I listed most of the ingredients, but first I saute oninos and garlic add the cooked beans, hominy, beef , diced, roasted green chiles and some powdered green chiles, to kick it a notch. As I'm making a big batch for lunches for my wife and me next week, I'm also frying up some chorizo and adding it as well, 'cause I ain't got enough heart.

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                                                                              BeaN RE: Passadumkeg Jan 17, 2010 04:25 PM

                                                                              Thanks. That sounds perfect for work lunches!

                                                                        2. buttertart RE: Passadumkeg Jan 17, 2010 06:34 AM

                                                                          Love black beans and garbanzo beans best. Would love to know what kind of beans are used in southwestern French dishes - we had beans with sausages and cassoulet recently, the bean with the sausages looked like the Greek gigante and the one in the cassoulet like a lima - but white and with a nutty flavor (not a white or navy bean as is commonly called for / used in cassoulet recipes stateside). Does anyone know which these are?

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                                                                            Sam Fujisaka RE: buttertart Jan 17, 2010 07:14 AM

                                                                            Cassoulet is generally made from Navy beans (a comon bean, Phaseolus vulgaris), AKA pearl haricot, Boston bean, and pea bean.

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                                                                              buttertart RE: Sam Fujisaka Jan 17, 2010 07:47 AM

                                                                              In my previous experience, yes. This one definitely wasn't. From the looks of it, BigSal is right - haricot tarbais seems to have been the one used. Thanks! Off to Kalustyan's, have goose leftovers that want transforming.

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                                                                              BigSal RE: buttertart Jan 17, 2010 07:35 AM

                                                                              I believe you are referring to haricot tarbais. http://www.haricot-tarbais.com/eng/re....

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                                                                                Will Owen RE: BigSal Jan 17, 2010 11:59 AM

                                                                                Tarbais is supposed to be THE bean, yes. I bought some a while back... too long ago, I'm afraid. I've had them soaking since yesterday evening and they're still sitting underwater, barely plumped at all. And they were also hideously expensive. For the record, they are a large white bean, shape somewhere between kidney and lima, and if I can persuade them to become edible I'll tell you how they taste.

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                                                                                  BigSal RE: Will Owen Jan 17, 2010 01:51 PM

                                                                                  Please do report back. I've only had tarbais in cassoulets at restaurants. All this talk of beans and cassoulet has me wanting to make some and would like to know if the beans are worth the cost.

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                                                                                    Will Owen RE: BigSal Jan 17, 2010 02:43 PM

                                                                                    Okay, but this won't be cassoulet exactly - there are poblano chiles and smoked neckbones involved, none of which are native to Carcassonne, Toulouse or Castelnaudary!

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                                                                                      Passadumkeg RE: Will Owen Jan 17, 2010 03:24 PM

                                                                                      Sounds good!

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                                                                                        Will Owen RE: Passadumkeg Jan 18, 2010 04:49 PM

                                                                                        The results are posted about 40 posts up from here, back where we're all arguing about salting before or after. I didn't get the vegetables into the mix yet, but I'll cook them until tender and add'em in. So far it's damn tasty.

                                                                                        Aren't these long threads a pain, though? I know I've posted some relevant anecdote to several, then scrolled down to find I did the same thing a year ago...

                                                                            3. JerryMe RE: Passadumkeg Jan 17, 2010 11:55 AM

                                                                              This thread reminded me that I need to pick up some pinto beans for my son's BD dinner this week. I went to check out my stash, to see if I happened to have any. I found a generic bag of "small red beans". The list of ingredients simply states "small red beans". Ha! I'll have to make these just to see what they taste like.

                                                                              But I am out of pintos. Will have to go to the store tomorrow, but I appreciate the "bean connections"!

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                                                                                Val RE: JerryMe Feb 7, 2010 10:07 AM

                                                                                I've tried those "small red beans" too...Wal-mart sells them here in FL...they turn a light red or pink color while soaking...they were very good.

                                                                              2. Cherylptw RE: Passadumkeg Jan 17, 2010 04:54 PM

                                                                                My family is from the south so I grew up on black eyed peas, butter beans, and navy beans..moved to New Mexico, tasted pintos for the first time and fell in love with them. In between, I discovered a very strong connection to red beans, Great Northerns and black beans. A few years ago, I tried lentils & garbonzos which were okay but the rest are the faves...oh, and have always used kidney beans in chili con carne.....

                                                                                1. the_MU RE: Passadumkeg Jan 18, 2010 04:43 PM

                                                                                  Something about snowstorms makes me want to cook beans. Just cooked two pounds of pintos; made refritos out of half and froze the rest.

                                                                                  Recently our local Hannafords started carrying store-brand dried beans, including Jacob's cattle. The name-brand Jacob's cattle beans are like $4/lb, but the Hannaford ones are selling for less than $2/lb. Time to try some.

                                                                                  I have a jar of marfax that I got from our CSA last year. Still procrastinating on that batch of baked beans I've been meaning to make.

                                                                                  Add me to the "not a big fan of kidney beans" crowd. They just make me think of school lunchroom chili.

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                                                                                    Passadumkeg RE: the_MU Jan 19, 2010 03:21 PM

                                                                                    I bought some beans in a Seoul market last summer to make Mexican for my kids, boy were they expensive!

                                                                                  2. decolady RE: Passadumkeg Feb 7, 2010 07:08 AM

                                                                                    I grew up in Louisiana, so red beans and rice are at the top of the list. Also really like pintos, cranberry beans, dragon tongue beans, crowder peas, purple hull peas, field peas, adzuki beans, black beans, baby limas, butter beans, garbazo beans, cannelli beans, Christmas limas, etc. About the only one I don't care for is black-eyed peas. Just recently I tried some dried beans from Italy called Corona beans. They look like giant white limas, and are a nice sweet bean with a creamy texture. Pricy, but in my next garden I'm going to try to find some to plant.

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                                                                                      greygarious RE: decolady Feb 7, 2010 07:24 AM

                                                                                      Over a year ago, I ordered premium beans online, and have been, for no logical reason, "saving" the Christmas Lima beans. They are large cream-colored beans with extensive, intricate maroon marbling - every time i looked at them, they were too pretty to cook. And having been crushed when other colorful dried legumes turned evenly dull when cooked, I knew I was in for further heartbreak. I am going to braise some red cabbage today and wouldn't mixing that with marbled cooked beans yield a gorgeous dish? If only.....I soaked and cooked the limas and sure enough, they are now liver colored, with only the slightest changes in tint remaining from the lovely marbling. They are, however, impressively large and hearty/creamy.

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                                                                                        decolady RE: greygarious Feb 7, 2010 07:38 AM

                                                                                        Oh I hear you. The first time I ever got Christmas limas I so wanted them to maintain their uncooked colour. I did some red cabbage yesterday - a recipe from old Joy of Cooking. Turned out pretty good. But no Christmas limas to go with them.

                                                                                    2. Kholvaitar RE: Passadumkeg Mar 17, 2013 10:12 AM

                                                                                      Chili Beans

                                                                                      What exactly are Chili Beans?

                                                                                      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/865910

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                                                                                        Nanzi RE: Passadumkeg Mar 17, 2013 10:33 AM

                                                                                        Love Red Beans & Rice, the bean cooked with ham, and served with jalapeno in the bowl. Mom grew up in Honduras, and that dish and fried plantains were a big part of our childhood.
                                                                                        I've been avoiding them as we are eating low carb, but I do have all the ingredients in the house, and I'm over due for sure.
                                                                                        Hmmmmm, and I do have time to make it for dinner. If I don't make enough to feed the army, I should be ok.

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                                                                                          Val RE: Nanzi Mar 17, 2013 10:40 AM

                                                                                          Nanzi, have you ever tried black soybeans? They are lower in carbs than most other beans...mcf told me about them here on CH...Eden brand sells them just in case you want to try them with your rice instead of the red beans. I use them quite often. The black soybeans have 8 g carbs per serving versus the red beans which have 17 g carbs pers serving...quite a difference!

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