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Queen Margherita Pizza

Anyone know anything about this place? It has "opening soon" and "wood burning oven" signs on the window.

It's in Leslieville on the north side of Queen East at the corner of Vancouver next door to Red Rocket Coffee.

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  1. No but I love a good margherita pizza. Please keep us posted sharkinsoup.

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    1. re: millygirl

      Will do millygirl!

      I'm hoping it'll be a Leslieville version of Libretto....

      1. re: SharkfinSoup

        That would be wonderful, wouldn't it!

      1. re: haggisdragon

        To have the words "Authentic Napoletana Pizza Ovens" in bold fonts on the windows.... they'd better deliver. In this day and age of Libretto, you can't just bandy those words about.

        1. re: thegory

          I hope they deliver (pun intended). Competition is good.

          1. re: haggisdragon

            Can't stop thinking about this place and soooo excited for it to open.
            We drove by yesterday just to scope it out. Love the look from the outside. Seems like a perfect spot. Since I don't normally go by that way, I'm counting on you fellow CH'ers for advance notice on opening.

            1. re: millygirl

              We're often in the Rocket for lunch - so I'll post as SOON as I see any activity!

              1. re: SharkfinSoup

                Hey sharkinSoup, any updates? I'm counting on you.
                Signed, Anxiously Awaiting Millygirl

                1. re: millygirl

                  Never mind, I just answered my own question.

                  MartiniBoys wrote that the opening is scheduled for March. It sounds very promising, apparently many of the ingredients are being shipped from Italy, including the wood burning oven and trained chefs.

                  1. re: millygirl

                    Oh good, I can line up closer to home. ;)

                    1. re: millygirl

                      Another location to get good margherita would be heavenly. Right now, the best location I have is Buddha Pie on Annette, and Libretto comes second.

                      I know that it may sound like sacrilege to some of you, but in the last little while, something happened at Libretto. The last few times I went it was good, but not the "Libretto good" to which I became accustomed. Not sure how to describe it, they have just been off their game recently.

                      1. re: Lazar

                        Definitely gotten sloppy there lately; all the recent reviews seem to reflect it also

                        Biggest complaint beeing that the pizzas are sloppily put together, and usually raw in the middle..

                        1. re: duckdown

                          Everyone there just getting tired from having the place slammed with people all the time? I will have to go there and check it out, haven't had raw pizza since my first day of university. :) I loved it when I went last year, too bad if they have gone downhill.

                          1. re: Pincus

                            Went there, hated the crowd, pizza not worth what you have to put up with (the crowd, snarky staff, etc...) Hopefully this new place will be a winner.

                      2. re: millygirl

                        Cool! Sorry I've been quiet - been on vacation....but I'll be back on "Margherita Watch" again now!

                  2. re: millygirl

                    exact same thing last time at libretto - pizzas raw in the middle! no problem with service though

                    if queen margherita is good that'll make 2 pretty decent pizza joints in the immediate neighbourhood - we think Giorgio's is good for traditional Toronto pizza

                    1. re: herbs go karts

                      That's too bad to hear. I also recently tried Libretto and enjoyed it, but couldn't see what all the fuss was about. It must have gone down by then. Terroni still gets my vote.

                      1. re: currycue

                        When I order a 12" pizza at Calabria I can talk directly to the cook. I have learned that it is better if I ask for well done or slightly charred, and the center will be cooked through crisply. It only takes 4 minutes in the wood oven.
                        I think they avoid charring for most orders, because some people will complain. I don't complain, I just tip the cook when I get the pizza, and he is appreciative.

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                        Calabria Bakery
                        1772 Midland Ave, Toronto, ON M1P, CA

                        1. re: jayt90

                          I agree that Libretto has gone downhill--I think they have so much business that they don't care about the quality anymore, they are just trying to get everyone served. They also replaced their bufalo mozzarella w/fiore, and it's not the same.

                          I wasn't too impressed by the service the last time I was there--the server decided to correct my Italian in-law's pronunciation of San Pellegrino.....they weren't too impressed.....

                          1. re: celtgirl

                            Back to the topic at hand.....just drove past Queen Margherita's new digs and there's a sign hung now with a web address

                            http://www.queenmargheritapizza.ca/

                            I've sent them a message asking about opening dates, menu etc. I'll report back if I hear anything interesting from them.

                            1. re: SharkfinSoup

                              Sorry, I forgot to mention that I called the number a week or so ago, when the address was still www.woodburningpizza.com. The person that answered told me that they are expecting to open sometime in March, but he wasn't able to give a more specific date than that....still only a couple of weeks until March, so here is hoping.

                              1. re: Lazar

                                Keeping my fingers crossed for March, then!

            2. Any update on this place? It is March now

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              1. re: ylsf

                I called their number recently, and originally they were shooting for Mid-March, but it is looking like it will be closer to the end of March. But they are trying to bring the date as close to the original opening date as possible

                1. re: Lazar

                  Just called them. Their liquor licence has been delayed....because "two people behind them complained..." (uh, oh). They also said "they're all set up and ready to go, everything's done, pizza ovens are in, they just didn't want to open without a licence". So, I guess they're just sitting there waiting for the official word from the city - hope it doesn't drag on too long.

                  1. re: SharkfinSoup

                    Darn, when I saw this thread bumped up I was hoping you were writing to tell us they've now opened. We're dying to get in there, even did a drive by this past weekend just to see. Thanks for keeping us posted SFS.

                    1. re: SharkfinSoup

                      There is no reason they couldn't open without a liquor licence except maybe greed.

                      1. re: jayt90

                        Or they don't want to deal with upset customers who prefer to have an alcoholic beverage with their meal. Or they are operating on a tight budget and they think it would be more cost effective to wait for a liquor licence than to open without one.

                        1. re: jayt90

                          It's a bit of a haul for me to get over there. I enjoy a glass of red wine with my pizza, looks like they don't wan to disappoint me.

                          1. re: abigllama

                            Me too! Gotta have wine with my pizza, especially if it's really good pizza.

                        2. re: SharkfinSoup

                          If you think about it, they are probably going to be competing directly with Pizzeria Libretto (even though they are not in the same geographic area), who already serve alcohol.

                          Also, if they happen to have bar seating, I would think that they would want to have their licence. Why taunt everyone with alcohol that they are not allowed to serve?

                          Just a couple of thoughts.

                          1. re: Lazar

                            Martini Boys says they are slated to open the first week of April.
                            Yipee, can't wait. Apparently it's on 2 floors and sounds lovely.

                            1. re: millygirl

                              Just happened to check their website and you can make an online reservation. But before everyone runs excitedly to their site, I called just to make sure that it was not an error.

                              Unfortunately, it is a tiny error. It was not supposed to be up yet, but they did say that they will be open in 2 weeks....so there's something good at least.

                              1. re: Lazar

                                They will be opening April 9th ... very excited !

                                1. re: Jeffroy

                                  Can it be true? That's THIS Friday! Yay!

                                  1. re: SharkfinSoup

                                    I am sorry to report that Queen Margherita Pizza will not be opening this Friday.

                                    They are going to be opening Wednesday, April 14th. How do I know? I called and left a message to make a reservation. A while later John (who I am assuming is the owner) called me back and informed me that Wednesday, April 14th is the day.

                                    He is not sure how the rumour started about Friday, but regardless he has assured me that they are open for business on Wednesday, April 14th.

                                    ....did I mention they were open Wednesday, April 14th?

                                    1. re: Lazar

                                      Jeffroy reported it in an earlier post up above.

                                      1. re: millygirl

                                        Millygirl, my post was an adjustment to the date. Jeffroy stated it was the 9th, I verified that it is in fact the 14th that they will be open.

                                        Just to clarify

                                        1. re: Lazar

                                          Hey Lazar, thanks so much for finding out QMP's opening date and posting it.

                                          I was just going to call them myself, so you saved me the job.

                      1. re: JennaBean

                        Asking "Has anyone been yet?" at 11:27AM on the day the restaurant opens for the first time is jumping the gun just a little bit, don't you think? ;)

                          1. re: Flexitarian

                            they opened tonight. how was the Pizza??????? wish i could of made it

                          2. re: gregclow

                            You're so right. For some reason I had the 9th in my head at the opening date. My faux pas! :-)

                        1. Queen Marguerita opened last night... we were very anxious about this, and so afraid of disappointment after the terrible "real pizza" experience at lil Baci (still angry about the tasteless cardboard they serve - give me freezer pizza instead any day!)... ANYHOW -. I can happily report that they delivered. Not only did they offer prosecco on the house upon arrival and limoncello post meal (nice touch for an opening night), the service was very friendly, the pizza was great! we have spent a lot of time in Italy and this is pretty close to the real deal. Great atmosphere, actual Italians working (and dining) there which is always a good sign and a decent (albeit limited) wine list.

                          The only criticism would be that they have a prix fixe menu.. and thats it. I hope that this is only for their opening week to keep it a little easier for the kitchen... when I go out for a pizza I don't want a 3 course meal. By the time the pizza arrived we were almost full. It was $25 for the 3 courses which is absolutely reasonable for what you're getting but they need to re-think this approach. When I inquired they said this was not going to change...

                          The only other small criticism I would have is that the pizza sauce (which was lovely) !! needed a pinch more salt, which if they had salt at the tables one could season as they wish..but they didn't have salt readily available - most likely a small opening oversight.

                          Other than that - happily impressed and returning next week.

                          Brava Marguerita!

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                          1. re: vankirk

                            What a joke! A non-negotiable fixe prix menu? That's only acceptable as an option or a special. That's like a clothing store telling you they will only sell you a shirt if you also buy pants too, or a grocery store telling you that you can only buy food if you buy milk too.

                            The fact is that not everyone wants either to eat or spend money on 3 courses, which I assume is an appetizer, main course and a dessert (and, of course, dessert means one will usually have coffee or tea especially if the other guests do, which only increases the price even more). This is just a veiled way of jacking up the average ticket price on patrons in an already competitive market and in recessionary times. Not a very good marketing strategy for a new restaurant trying to attract customers. Also not a very good strategy given some people choose to spend some of their limited budget on alcohol which has a higher gross margin than food, but might not be able to do so because they are forced to spend their budget on food by QMP.

                            I've been to Pizza Libretto (a close competitor to QMP in terms of pizza style, albeit on the other side of the downtown), and have generally had good experiences, but I don't often want 3 courses. In fact, the last time my boyfriend and i had a salad each and just split a pizza and we were full. But we ordered wine too and that helped raise the bill. Sometimes I have been there alone and only had a pizza with and filtered tap water.

                            I hope enough people balk at the fact they are forcing people to eat more than they might want to (which is a very valid concern other than just the cost of the meal, especially in these times when close to half the population is obese) and also to pay more than they either can afford or want to so that QMP changes their policy.

                            How forcing people to eat and buy more makes it 'little easier for the kitchen' I don't know. In fact it probably makes it worse as they have to cook more food (and throw out more that people don't eat).

                            I, for one, will not be going to this restaurant because of this. How ridiculous!

                            1. re: vankirk

                              Oh no! I'm really bummed to hear that it is prix fixe only. I won't be heading there any time soon as that's really not my thing.

                              1. re: vankirk

                                I second Vankirks assessment. They were very gracious on their opening night with complimentary bubbles and limoncello as mentioned. The atmosphere was very relaxed even though they were quite busy. In fact, I sat beside a very nice couple fresh back from England and we had a good chat about the dearth of places in the area. So, do go and perhaps comment on the prix fixe format. Better to let them know by visiting than never visiting at all.

                                Right vankirk?

                                1. re: chiefscout

                                  Giving them your money is supporting them, which I will not do until they change their policy. Probably the best way to let them know what you think is to come with a party of 10 people, sit down, order water, but then then all get up and leave when they tell you you are forced to buy the 3 course meal as a package. (just kidding).

                                  Do they tell you that when they take you reservation (if they take any) or on a menu in the window that it is fixe prix and there is no negotiation on that? What if i am allergic to the dessert, the appetizer?

                                  1. re: chiefscout

                                    Pizza for me is just that pizza. I want a great bottle of vino and big old pizza. I don't want to be forced to spend money on food I don't want and likely won't eat. I’d much rather take that money and get a better bottle of wine.

                                    I really enjoy Libretto so I'll just keep trekking out to the west end for my traditional style pizza fix even though I live at Queen and Broadview.

                                  2. re: vankirk

                                    The whole idea of a pizza place needing a prix fixe menu is idiotic anyways.

                                    Once again, this place follows in the trend of pizza places trying to be something they're not.. If these guys had half a brain they'd remember they're making PIZZA and not 5 star cuisine. There is nothing wrong with stacks of big white pizza boxes available for takeout, as long as the pizza is good.

                                    1. re: duckdown

                                      I agree that the prix fixe menu is unnecessary but I don't see why there isn't room in the marketplace for places that have some atsmosphere, decor and are a little more upscale than a take-out pizza joint. There is room between the extremes of five star cuisine and take-out.

                                    2. re: vankirk

                                      Thanks for the review vankirk! Looking forward to this and the prix fixe works for me since we usually like to get a salad or some greens to balance the pizza, dessert can be taken home of there's no room left. The outrage over this on the board is a bit amusing. Granted it is opening weekend, I'm sure they'll make changes if the market requests it.

                                      1. re: vankirk

                                        I've never heard of prix fix only for a restaurant, much less a pizza restaurant. W.T.F.

                                        This isn't CH cynicism I'm spewing here, this is a pretty legit vocalization. What if I don't want a $25, three-course pizza? What if I just want.... you know.... pizza?!

                                        No way am I going there. Just ridiculous to not have the choice. Borderline insane.

                                        1. re: magic

                                          That's what Ruby Watch Co is doing. But granted it's an odd decision for a pizza restaurant. Even though it has no bearing on the food it does look really nice inside.

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                                          Ruby Watch Co.
                                          730 Queen St E, Toronto, ON M4M, CA

                                          1. re: jamesm

                                            For a pizza restaurant though? I don't know. It just doesn't seem right.

                                            Man I miss the days of white cardboard boxes. As envirocrappy a thing as it might be to say. Still, I miss that sensibility. Why does everything have to be so "foodforward". Is even pizza not sacred?

                                            I'm sure they did a nice job on the space though.

                                      2. I seem to have started a bit of an uproar over the set menu... :) oops... However I would not let that deter you. hopefully they will go a la carte. bottom line its a great space, friendly people and most importantly good pizza.
                                        buon appetito amici

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                                        1. re: vankirk

                                          Chowhound rage is a common currency here. :)

                                          Looking forward to skipping lunch one Saturday and heading out here! Thanks for the review!

                                          1. re: Pincus

                                            Constructive commentary should not be interpreted as rage. I wrote what i wrote with very calm fingers (lol).

                                            1. re: Flexitarian

                                              Maybe I a speaking out of turn here (considering that I haven't gone yet), but it could be that their prix fix menu is their way of highlighting their non-pizza options. Potentially only for a limited time until they are well under way. I know that they may have stated that this was going to be only way to order, but really, they cannot be so short sighted to see the negative effect this could create. Also, I have been to restaurants that have stated in a similar fashion that certain policies/menu items would never change, but given enough time they will eventually modify their position.

                                              Also, every time I have been to Libretto, I have never gotten any of the starter, nor did I see any patrons have starters either (again, as far as I witnessed). So as long as I get something good, I am willing to suffer through ordering a little excess...for a limited time anyway.

                                              ...or maybe they just ordered too much food, and trying to clear out their fridges before it all heads south....

                                            2. re: Pincus

                                              Wait, are they open for lunch!? I didn't see hours on their site - I work in the area and I'd love to go for lunch sometime...

                                              1. re: Pincus

                                                No rage here at all. I hope they do well. It just isn't my cup of tea so I'm bummed.

                                            3. Not sure what all the fuss is about. They are trying the fixed price, I declined, and had just the pizza. No big deal.

                                              Not sure how you all would fare in Italy.

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                                              1. re: vaiguy777

                                                Ah, the impression that I got (from these posts) was that the prix fixe was only method of ordering food.

                                                Thanks for clearing that up.

                                                1. re: rodolfo

                                                  I'm with Lazar.. People have given the impression you have to order prix fixed but according to vaiguy777, that it not the case.

                                                  Either way, from what chiefscout describes, the options sound like a lovely balanced meal and the price sounds reasonable. Even better if I can't finish my pizza. Makes a great lunch the next day.

                                                  I'm going next weekend and can't wait to check it out for myself.

                                                  1. re: Lazar

                                                    Agreed. The information given was that the prix-fix was non-negotiable.

                                                    I think most of us would fare pretty well in Italy.

                                                    1. re: Lazar

                                                      Me too! If that'st he case I will check it out. But I just don't want to be forced to pay for food I really don't want.

                                                    2. re: vaiguy777

                                                      What was the cost of your pizza without the prix fix?

                                                      1. re: magic

                                                        As Mr. Millygirl likes to remind me, you can't believe everything you hear. Chowhound is no exception to this, and maybe even more so. Some are clearly more negative than others (you know who you are).

                                                        In the same way I wouldn't NOT go to a movie because of a bad review, I would not stay away from a restaurant, particularly one that I was quite eager to try, on account of someone else's opinion.

                                                        1. re: millygirl

                                                          Fair enough millygirl. Look forward to your report back....

                                                          1. re: millygirl

                                                            A group of 8 of us went for dinner on Thursday night. Although most of us went with the Prixe Fixe menu, a couple people opted to just order a pizza, which they were more than happy to accomodate, although they don't advertise that option on the menu.
                                                            The pizza's were excellent and the apps and salads were very tasty, although on the small side. After speaking with our waiter, he mentioned the appetizer menu rotates daily according to what's fresh and what the chef wants to create that day.

                                                            The ambiance was very relaxed and comfortable, and the staff were very friendly. We were offered prosseco and limoncello with our meals as well, though I wouldn't expect this trend to continue past opening weekend.
                                                            As far as pricing for a single pizza, I can't say exactly as I went with a full menu, but I know the 2 people who opted for just the pizza ended up paying about $30 less than the rest (we also had 2 bottles of wine, dessert and espressos to top off the night)
                                                            Overall it was good food and a good people and good ambiance, I would definitely go back.

                                                            1. re: Potato Man

                                                              This place keeps sounding better and better. And it's much closer for me than Libretto.

                                                            2. re: millygirl

                                                              I agree totally wth your view and am the same about restaurants and movie reviews (to an extent). But, the fixe prix bru-ha-ha was not a qualitative assessment but a quanititatve binary type report by someone ie fixe prix only, no negotiation (rather than the cheese on the pizza was a bit too cheddar like for me, etc), - analagous to saying that to see a movie you had to also buy the large popcorn, coke and chocolate bar for a total of $25 instead of the normal $12.50.

                                                              1. re: millygirl

                                                                I disagree, I pass on movies all the time because they sound terrible. Same goes for places to eat.

                                                                Not that this place sounds terrible though, I actually would love to try it I just don't live nearby. And I want a take-out pizza in a cardboard box also.

                                                                1. re: duckdown

                                                                  That's why I said "to an extent". If a restaurant or a movie sounds terrible and/or gets all bad reviews i stay away just like you.

                                                                  I'll definitely try QMP now that I know they are not forcing me to buy extra items that I don't want to. Having said that, I'll also try Ruby Watchco even though they do have a fixe prix menu because it's more suited to that type of higher end restaurant and I am getting Lynn Crawford for that price.

                                                                  1. re: duckdown

                                                                    they have cardboard boxes don't worry, I took my leftovers home in one.

                                                              2. re: vaiguy777

                                                                Vankirk, who ate there, said in his post above that it was a "prix fixe menu.. and thats it.... When I inquired they said this was not going to change..."

                                                                That's why all the fuss on this thread about it. I guess the restaurant got some common sense quickly and changed their policy.

                                                                1. re: Flexitarian

                                                                  I'd say they've SORT OF changed their policy - they'll accomodate an a la carte dining experience but it's not advertised on the menu. Gotta say I'm with the majority here - for Lynn Crawford's new space, a prix-fixe, locavore, Chez Panisse experience, I can buy it but for a pizza spot, even an upscale pizza spot, it's a turn-off for me.

                                                                2. re: vaiguy777

                                                                  On opening night we were told that it was going to always be fixed price. We were told we could not order just pizza, so clearly some misinformed staff set the problem off.

                                                                  Have been to Italy many times and fared well thanks, as you don't have to ask to opt out of the fixed price, it's just an option.

                                                                  1. re: zeppelinrules

                                                                    Went to Margherita with my brother on Friday night. No problems related to ordering a la carte. Service still seems pretty chaotic, but everyone was very friendly and enthusiastic. We tried two pizzas (margherita and napoletana). My brother is a libretto fanatic and correctly noted that the crust here wasn't quite as good. Great char, but doughy ends of the pie, almost no cornicione, even in the middle the crust did not have any elasticity or suppleness. I assume that these things will improve as the pizzaioli acquaint themselves with the oven. The toppings were great (I don't know if my anchovies were quite as good the marvelous libretto ones) and overall we both ranked the pizzas significantly above Terroni, but below libretto. I would go back. I will say that for people who object to the soupy neapolitan pie--these held together a little better than librettos. Narrow minded hard-crust adherents may find this a suitable compromise in a neapolitanizing pizza market.

                                                                3. We went on friday night, straiught after a work out. We were dressed like slobs and felt a little apprehensive when we saw how nice the space was, and lots of fairly dressed up people. IT was packed but we got table within 5 minutes. Service was disorganized but very friendly. We were happy ordering from the prix fixe menu, but overheard a table next to us ordering just pizza with no problems. The waiter-Mario told them that there were two prices depending whether the pizza had meat or not, in the range of 12-14 dollars I don't remember exactly.

                                                                  The pizza was excellent. Beautiful foldable thin crust and fresh high quality ingredients. The wood burning oven is the focal point of the restaurant. The other two courses (antipasto and salad) were simple and light. Everyone who works here seems to speak Italian. This is the real deal folks, and great for this neighbourhood. Go. And please stop bickering about the prix fixe thing, its boring.

                                                                  1. I just ate dinner at Queen Margherita Pizza on Queen Street East. I had pizza with prosciutto. Tasted great, crust was perfect. Way better than Lil'Baci! Lovely ambiance (tons of windows and view of the TTC streetcar depot) and very attentive service. Great addition to the eastern tip of Leslieville. It's a pre-fixe menu but you can also order a la carte.

                                                                    1. Mr. clicquot and I tried Queen Margherita on Friday night as well. It was busy when we got there so we had a drink downstairs while we waited for about 20 minutes or so. The space is gorgeous and the staff friendly, although they seemed to be experiencing some opening week glitches (fair enough, as they only opened a couple of days before). We moved upstairs for our meal and chose the prix fix because we were hungry and wanted to sample more of the menu but they said we could just order the pizza if we wanted. We each got a small plate of cured meats (a couple pieces of prosciutto and some sort of cured salami) with a few olives and crostini (one each) topped with burrata. The crostini were excellent but I found the prosciutto on the salty side. Then we waited for our pizzas....and waited (again, probably to be expected given the circumstances). Finally the pizzas arrived and they were quite large. I got the ricotta margherita and mr. c had the regular marg with mozzarella. The crusts were nicely charred and the sauce was just how I like it - not too sweet or thick. The ricotta was excellent - very creamy. The regular margherita, however, was a bit soggy in the middle but had good flavour. We couldn't even finish our pizzas and then the salads arrived! (as part of the prix fix). They were simple greens with a bit of fruit (I think mine had strawberries?) but we couldn't really eat much of them. I would not order the prix fix again, as it was just too much food (and I have a pretty good appetite!) but might share some dishes. They will box up your leftovers, which is good. Overall, I was pleased and will definitely be going back. It's a great addition to the area.

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                                                                      1. re: ms. clicquot

                                                                        Whoo, hooo.....can't wait! We're going this Friday!

                                                                        1. re: millygirl

                                                                          We loved it! Four of us had a wonderful meal and evening last night at QMP.

                                                                          We all had the prix fixe and commented on what a bargain it was. Yes, lots of food but since when is that a bad thing? We have leftover pizza for our lunch this afternoon. You can't beat the price of $25.

                                                                          I began with the mussels and Mr. MG had the porchetta. Mussel were good but porchetta was great. Very rustic and homey. Our italian friend claimed it to be just like mama would make.

                                                                          Pizzas were excellent. Nice thin crust, but substantial too. The Giovanni was quite popular last night with arugula and proscuttio as the promienent players. I had the quatrro formaggio - nice blend of flavours with what you could tell was a quality mozzerella. No skimping on quality or quantity here.

                                                                          We followed with the house salad - an iceberg wedge with blue cheese and crispy pancetta. Very refreshing end to a great meal.

                                                                          We loved what they did to the room. Simple, clean lines and very hip. It has a great vibe and we loved the atmosphere overlooking the Queen streetcar bay. Service was just right. Knowledgable, friendly and efficient. - can't ask for much else.

                                                                          Thank you QMP for bringing authentic italian pizza to our hood. It's the kinda place you can see yourself becoming a regular, and we definitely will!!

                                                                          1. re: millygirl

                                                                            I agree - it's definitely the kind of place I could see myself becoming a regular. It sounds like they're changing the menu regularly for the starters and salads, which is great. I was tempted by the Giovanni pizza as well - I guess I can look forward to it next time!

                                                                            1. re: ms. clicquot

                                                                              Ok, finally got to QMP last night. In summary it was good, and I would go again, but I was not exceptionally blown away.

                                                                              First the ancillary stuff. The place looked nice, I quite liked what they have done with the place, although to be honest I don't know what the place was before it. But anyway it was nice. The only thing was the volume. I couldn't her my GF across the table. It was quite loud. Also, the tables were squeezed very close together. We may as well have been sitting at a single table with the patron on either side of us. The wait staff were very friendly, albeit a bit frazzled. At the table, there were 2 empty glasses, presumably for water. But they never filled them (as I assumed they would) or even asked if we wanted water. The table next to us had to ask a couple of times.

                                                                              That aside, onto the main guts of it.
                                                                              The food was good, but not great. I ordered a "giovanni" which had cherry tomatoes, arugala, proscuitto and the standard mozzarella and sauce. I am not sure what I was expecting, but it was essentially mozzarella and sauce pizza with the other toppings dumped on top. Don't get me wrong, it was an interesting and delicious combination of flavours and I did love the char on the bottom of the crust, but, well, I don't know, I guess I was expecting something with a bit more pizzazz (no pun intended). I also had the prix fixe (the GF went a la carte) So I tried the polenta with sausage. I have to wonder what they were thinking. I wasn't expecting it to be hot, but it was ice cold in the middle and the sauce on top was flavourless. I had the select the arugala salad, but gave that to the GF, as I was arugala'ed out. She proclaimed it very good and refreshing.

                                                                              My GF is a fiend for Margherita pizza, and she was not that impressed. Her main issues were that there was not enough basil (only 3 small leaves) and what was worse, the pizza was wet/soggy. She wasn't expecting a rigid crust, but she wasn't expecting soup either. She also found that the soup/sauce was gather bland, and needed salt (and she is not an "add salt" person). Her other main issue was that she found the menu very limited. She understood what they are trying to do in offering a menu like that, but her opinion that if they are going to that, that everything on the menu must be spot on perfect.

                                                                              In any case, she prefers Libretto, but as for me, given that Libretto has slipped a little, I would say that both places are about on par with one another.

                                                                              As I said in the beginning, I would definitely go again. I am chaulking this up to opening issues that they need to work out. And they should only get better...at least one would hope.

                                                                              1. re: Lazar

                                                                                Wow. I could have written that review myself. I also went last night (was that you beside me Lazar? ;) I enjoyed both the place and the meal and would go again, but do prefer Libretto's pizza.

                                                                                There were two of us and even though we did make a reservation, they didn't have it when we arrived. To their credit they did find us a table after 5 minutes in the upstairs section. The place was packed.

                                                                                First of all I think they owners were very prudent as you can tell they did not spend a lot of money on the place, but still created a comfortable friendy and trendy environment. They mainly sanded the floors, painted the walls, added some ventilation, did some minor woodwork and added lights. It looks like they put most of their money into the food operations end of the restaurant, which is a good thing from a return on investment point of view and especially if you are on a budget. The pizza oven is an authentic neapolitan wood-burning oven (I went to take a look and you can see the chopped wood stored underneath).

                                                                                Unfortunately there were a few slip-ups when we were seated. We were given empty glasses too, but they were never filled up nor were we asked if we wanted water. We finally asked for water 1/2 way through the meal. Then we weren't offered bread either, even though there was olive oil and balsamic vinegar on the table when we arrived. The people beside us, also a couple, got both. I think that restaurants really need to bang it into server's heads that you have to fill the glasses with water, ask if the customer wants a drink and give the table bread, bang, bang, bang - 1-2-3. That's all the easy part and nothing bothers diners more than bad food is being ignored when you first come in, ie bad service.

                                                                                The service itself was very slow but the server was very friendly. Eventually he apologized for it (even though we said nothing) and told us that one of the servers didn't show up for work. That's understandable and I don't fault them for that as all new restaurants have growing pains and hopefully eventually they'll have a roster of on-call servers that they can phone if this happens again (what if two didn't show up on a Saturday night - it would be hell for them).

                                                                                A real surprise was that they comped us on both a salad and a dessert for the slow service. I didn't expect that and so that was very generous of them.

                                                                                When we ordered, the server immediately told us that we could order fixe prix or just an pizza without us even asking. I inquired as to whether this was the case from day one and he said yes indeed. There were even prices listed under each pizza and then $25 at the bottom of the page for all 3 courses. So that puts to rest the fixe prix or not issue. So, one of us ordered the fixe prix and the other just a pizza.

                                                                                We shared the ricotta crostini bruschetta. Initially I thought "my that's cold" as bruchetta is normally at least room temperature or heated, but then realized it was ricotta and they usually store ricotta in the fridge. But, I don't think it should have been fridge cold. I wasn't crazy about it but maybe that's just me as I think ricotta is more of a dessert ingredient.

                                                                                Then we shared a Margherita pizza and (can't remember the name) but the pizza with mushrooms, artichoke and olives. They were both larger than Libretto's probably by an inch in circumference. The Margherita pizza was was really soggy except around the edges. As Lazar said, more like a soup. Around the edges, though, the crust was similar to Libretto's. It also only had 3 basil leaves on it in the very centre and that ticked me off. They shouldn't say basil on the menu if it only makes a cameo appearance. Libretto's Margherita pizza is much better. One would think that given the name of the place is Queen Margherita Pizza that they would have an exceptional Margherita pizza. I liked the other pizza better, probably because I just didn't enjoy the Margherita that much.

                                                                                The wine menu is limited but the prices are good. It was one of the few places I've been to where ordering by the glass proved just as economical as ordering a bottle (ie the price per ounce was about the same). So we were tried 4 different wines that we have never had before (2 reds and 2 whites, all Italian) and they were all great.

                                                                                We then shared the only two salads on the menu, an arugula salad and a mixed greens and fennel salad with citrus dressing. Both were spectacular I thought.

                                                                                We had gelato with a shot of espresso on it and a tiramisu (comped) for dessert and both were great. We both had cappucinno's and they were also nicely done.

                                                                                I'll definitely be back when I am going out with friends in the east end of Toronto but otherwise I think I'll stick with Libretto's more for my neapolitan pizza fix. (And, I haven't found Libretto's has slipped in terms of their food quality.) But I won't order the Marguerita pizza again at QMP unless they improve it.

                                                                                1. re: Flexitarian

                                                                                  So Im a bit confused.. for the 25$ do you get an app, main and salad? or an app, main and dessert? or can you choose?
                                                                                  Also, how many pizzas do they have on the menu and can you "create" your own pizza?

                                                                                  1. re: hungryabbey

                                                                                    The appetizer is the salad. I think they had about a dozen pizzas of their own creation as options. Don't remember if you can create your own.

                                                                                      1. re: hungryabbey

                                                                                        Just got my photos up. Here's the menu:
                                                                                        http://www.flickr.com/photos/jlunar/4...

                                                                                        It's more like app, pizza, salad. The beet salad was nice, but the polenta was way better. By the time we'd gotten to the end, I'd forgotten about the final salad!

                                                                                        1. re: jlunar

                                                                                          I'm just confused if they have changed that. My parents told me they went and they had a fixed menu of app-pizza-dessert?

                                                                                          1. re: hungryabbey

                                                                                            There's the prix fixe (ap-pizza-dessert) and just pizza. Nothing else.

                                                                                            1. re: Herb

                                                                                              Either things have changed, or they must switch it up because when we went, it was appetizer, pizza and salad. Desert was available but we were full by that time.

                                                                                              1. re: millygirl

                                                                                                Our visit, last Friday, was app-pizza-dessert. Salad was one of the app options, along with ricotta-honey-cranberries-arugula and the porchetta.

                                                                                                1. re: millygirl

                                                                                                  That is so weird. When I went, about three weeks ago, it was definitely appetizer (most of which were salads), pizza, and dessert (two options: tiramisu and something else).

                                                                                                  1. re: Full tummy

                                                                                                    They must have changed it soon after I went. That photo was taken in the first week of May.

                                                                                                  2. re: millygirl

                                                                                                    Millygirl same thing when we were there app-pizza-salad...then could order dessert. The manager mentioned that they were trying to make it like an Italian family meal. Salad comes after the main course but before dessert. Sounds like people had issues with that and they made adjustments.

                                                                          2. My vote's in too. Went for my birthday on Saturday. Loved it! What an awesome space! Service was slow, but it sounds like they were short one server, so no worries, I wasn't in a rush. SO amazing to have a great, stand up place in the 'hood. East side!!!!!

                                                                            1. I went last night with my wife and toddler, and they couldn't have been nicer. Crayons for my little girl, very sweet service from start to finish. I was very impressed with the space too, it's cool-looking with a nice airy vibe.

                                                                              The food - went for the pre-fixe although the a la carte option was presented to us. We shared two apps, an eggplant parmesan and a bresaola. The eggplant was super simple, thin slices of skinless eggplant roasted and served with tomato sauce and some grated reggiano. Very tasty and a good reminder that I should do something like that at home from time to time. The bresaola was nice but not life-changing, a tad dried out.

                                                                              The pizzas were terrific. In our usual Muslim way, I had the margherita and my wife had the diavola without the salami, which ended up basically being a margherita with chili peppers. Nice chewy crust, outstanding mozzarella, and a classic San Marzano tomato sauce, very simple and classic. The char on the crust was good but I would have preferred a bit more, I like a few blackened patches here and there on my Neopolitan pizza, but that's a nitpick really. The cornicione was just right for me, I don't like it overly puffy. And yes, the margherita was a bit soupy, if you're looking for a slice that stands up on its own with no tip sag, this ain't for you. Instead it is true to the classic style, and a quick fold of each slice brought me back to Italy. Although the pizza being pre-cut would no doubt shock your average resident of Naples.

                                                                              Last were the salads which I really didn't enjoy, at all. The iceberg wedge with blue cheese and this sweet dressing, and the cold green bean salad, both had a wedding food feel, something that has been plated and stuck in the fridge a few hours before. It was a slightly disappointing end to the meal, and next time I will order a la carte because of this. But be forewarned it's a tiny menu, with maybe 6 pizzas, the two apps, and the two salads. Personally I like the focus, although I do wish they had a few more pizzas on the menu with no pork.

                                                                              With two glasses of a nice Chianti and a 20% tip for the great service, the bill came out to $90 and I was very happy. I'll be back for sure - minus the iceberg wedge - as this place is worth a trip...in fact, I enjoyed my pizza more than my last one at Libretto.

                                                                              1. Can you ask for it to be well done? That's what I learned to request at Calabria, and there is never a sloppy tip. It just takes a minute extra.

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                                                                                1772 Midland Ave, Toronto, ON M1P, CA

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                                                                                1. re: jayt90

                                                                                  I don't know, but I might next time, it could have used an extra 30 seconds in the oven. I reheated leftovers last night in a 550 oven for 60 seconds and they were just right.

                                                                                2. Actually one other thing I remember about QMP that I wanted to mention that really turned both of us off was the fact that just as the appetizers were being served, another server had a spray bottle of cleaner and was spraying and wiping the table just next to us. All I could smell was the cleaning solution that was dispersed into the air and landing on our food as she did, which was kind of disgusting (aside from unhealthy). it's easy just to spray the cloth outside the dining room away from patrons and then coming in to wipe the table.

                                                                                  Higher end restaurants would never dream of doing this. It's so easy to train your servers and cleaners not to, isn't it? I was going to say something but didn't want to cause a scene but I think I'll write them a letter.

                                                                                  1. I went for Pizza last Friday night with a group of 4 and had one of the more pleasurable meals I've had in a long time. The decor was very understated but beautiful and the place was completely full with a 15 minute wait. The wait was tolerable as they have a sizable separate bar area. Once seated, our waiter served us immediately and was very friendly. 2 of us ordered the prix fixe and 2 ordered pizzas a la carte. The appertizers were very tasty (especially my porchetta) and the selection of wines was somewhat small but priced well. The highlight of the night were the pizzas. They were made very simply with little salt and spices, but the ingredients seemed to be of such high quality that I now rank QMP as in my top 3 for pizzas. I am excited to be going back either this Thursday or friday.

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                                                                                    1. re: cappa

                                                                                      What are the other 2 pizzas in your top 3?

                                                                                      1. re: childofthestorm

                                                                                        I wanted to wait until I went back to reply, but I was unable to this weekend :( I am hoping for this thursday...I was in Italy this summer and I can't include any pizzas I've had on that trip in my top three beause it just wouldn't be fair. They were all delicious. In Toronto (and area), however my top three would have to be Piazza in market lane in woodbridge (which is currently closed but should be reopening soon), Queen Margherita Pizza (QMP) and Libretto. Piazza gets the nod for consistency. Queen Margherita and Liberetto are very similar in that they use really tasty high-quality ingredients, but QMP cooks their pies a little more like I was accustomed to in Italy and Libretto seems to undercook them to my taste, at least. But I look forward to going back to all three places in the near future and I am definitely looking forward to going back to try some more pizzas in Italy in the not-so-distant future.

                                                                                    2. Two friends and I were about to try QMP on Sat night. While it was a big step up from what's currently offered in the hood for thin crust pizza IMO is wasn't near as good as Libretto or the pizza at Buca for that matter.

                                                                                      Overall the service was rather good and attentive and the quality of the ingredients high. However the space is very loud (to the point where conversation was difficult) and overall the food was just ok.

                                                                                      The table ordered the following items:
                                                                                      Ricotta with honey and a cured meat plate. The ricotta and honey was nice but rather simple and a little too sweet for an antipasti. The cured meat place was probably the hit for the night in terms of the food. Good variety and nice portion size.

                                                                                      Three pizzas - sopressata and hot peppers, prosciutto, cherry tomatoes and arugula, and the third in our party had the sausage and red onion. All three of the pizza’s were soggy and slightly undercooked and really required a little salt.

                                                                                      Two salads, one with mixed greens, pear and gorgonzola and the second was a dressed arugula. While both were fine neither was anything exciting.

                                                                                      While it will do if I don’t want to make the trek west, it isn’t a place I’m rushing to go back to.

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                                                                                      Buca
                                                                                      604 King St. West, Toronto, ON M5V 1M6, CA

                                                                                      1. We finally made the trek a few blocks west to try QMP... we really, really like their crust and felt it to be far superior to Libretto. As others have reported, Libretto in our experience has been a thinner, less cooked crust versus QMP being thicker, chewier (in a good way) and more cooked (even though it's chewier at the same time).

                                                                                        QMP crust is perfect for the both us (equals me who tends to like "Canadian pizza" a la Danforth Pizza House and for GF who is Italian with a capital I).

                                                                                        Service was pleasant and prompt, the owner's came round to each table to see how things were and spent at least a couple of minutes talking to everybody. The room is very nice though I'd worry about what it's going to feel like in the winter with all that single pane glass.

                                                                                        There is one thing that bothered me though, and I think it verges on not acceptable in a proper quality control environment. Several pieces of ham and mushroom on my pizza were chunks of not fully sliced pieces, e.g. a mushroom sliced 8 times but the slicer didn't go all the way through resulting in an 8 slice one piece chunk if you know what I mean. The pizza makers' eyes ought to be sharp enough to spot it when there are several "chunks" of ham and mushroom on a pizza!

                                                                                        We will be going back so I will watch for this occuring again.

                                                                                        The mozzarella used the day we were there was of very. very good quality.

                                                                                        Perfect crust! (for what we like)

                                                                                        We'd prefer QMP to Libretto.

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                                                                                        Danforth Pizza
                                                                                        920 Danforth Ave, Toronto, ON M4J1L9, CA

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                                                                                        1. re: herbs go karts

                                                                                          We went last night and prefer this to Libretto. Like many have said, the crust puts these over the top. Perfect blend of chewy and crusty with no soggy middle. The sauce had a great, fresh flavour and there was plenty of cheese.

                                                                                          Owner talked to us and the whole staff seems very proud of the product and excited to talk about it. The service was excellent and friendly. The owner explained they wanted to really do an Italian meal rather than just pizzas. But as as has been stated you can order a la carte and the pizzas are individually priced between around $12 -$15ish.

                                                                                          We ate upstairs and the room is very comfortable. It wasn't super busy so didn't have any noise issues at all. It's arranged well and like that you're not sitting on the lap of the person next to you. Overall it's a great new addition to the city and looking forward to returning. The crust, staff, and laid back atmosphere give this an edge of Libretto for us.

                                                                                          1. re: abigllama

                                                                                            I really wonder if we just had bad luck on Sat b/c all three of the pizza's at our table were soggy. I'm still a little bummed when I think about.

                                                                                          2. re: herbs go karts

                                                                                            I give QMP huge props for the live jazz (on a dreadfully dull tuesday night no less) & the easy casual ambience and I like the effort they're putting into the menu.... but the pizza crusts were soggy on both our pies, and thats a big strike against when your whole menu is based around those hot fresh & tasty little wheels.

                                                                                            Servers were attentive and engaging, and I see they're doing a Moms Day brunch on sunday too. I'll give them another chance, I really do like what they're going for and it's a great addition to the neighbourhood.

                                                                                            But they haven't topped Lil Bacci (yet), for my east-end pie needs.

                                                                                            1. re: bfg900

                                                                                              It's ironic that many of us have complained about Neapolitan pizza (both at QMP and LIbretto's) that is a bit soft or soggy in the centre but that is actually the way Neapolitan pizza is supposed to be and It's even wetter in Naples apparently. I guess we are just used to pizza of other forms that isn't, or we just want our Neapolitan pizza not to crispy throughout.

                                                                                              1. re: Flexitarian

                                                                                                I just want to clarify my experiences. When pizza arrives fresh like that I do really expect a rigid crust that support 50lbs without deflecting. And the pizza that we have enjoyed at Libretto was not rigid either. I do know that it will be a little soft/wet. However, my GF's margherita was almost like soup, as I described it. Much more soggy than anything we have had at Libretto

                                                                                                1. re: Flexitarian

                                                                                                  but does soggy = raw dough?

                                                                                                  what i experienced at libretto was pretty much a raw dough centre... soggy means absorbing excess moisture to me, raw dough is just gross.

                                                                                                  1. re: pinstripeprincess

                                                                                                    Yeah...that don't sound right. But I do think this is where the line of authenticity (which may not be to everyone's taste) and badly done pizza (which no one likes) ought to be drawn. If the soupy crust has never been cooked, and is just gross, then it's just gross. If the crust has been cooked but because it's really thin and supple (not crackery) and has toppings (like fresh mozzarella) which tend to soupify then the soupy crust is to be expected with this kind of pizza. I personally love to pick up my pizza and fold it over--thin, pliant, but with some integrity is best for me--but there is a longstanding prejudice in much of North America (check out the divergent responses on the NY boards to neapolitan pies) that a floppy pizza is a bad pizza---and that just plain ain't true. Of course...if you got a floppy pizza in most North American styles it would be an undercooked and just plain gross pizza. Thanks to pinstripeprincess for what seems to me like a good final word on the floppy/soupy question, which goes something like this: a neapolitan pie can be floppy, but no pie should be raw.

                                                                                                    1. re: mstacey42

                                                                                                      oh no, Queen's slightly soggy dough is sublime, and the reason i come back.

                                                                                                    2. re: pinstripeprincess

                                                                                                      that's what we've gotten at libretto too: raw... yech

                                                                                              2. These guys don't take reservations, do they? Nobody seems to be mentioning the line-ups on this thread in spite of its popularity - if I go there on the early side for dinner on Saturday, will I be in for a long (not Guu long but normal long) wait?

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                                                                                                1. re: peppermint pate

                                                                                                  They take, and you should definitely make, reservations.

                                                                                                  1. re: millygirl

                                                                                                    Oops - not sure where I got it into my head that they didn't. Thanks for clarifying millygirl - will do!!

                                                                                                    1. re: peppermint pate

                                                                                                      Just went last night aroudn 9:30 or so. Place was packed to the gills but we luckily snagged the only free table.

                                                                                                      the set menu was a great deal. At $25 for antipasti, your choice of pizza and salad, it was a lot of food. The prosciutto with arugula, butternut squash and shaved parm was a great balanced started. The porchetta and hot peppers pizza was amazing. As was the margherita. Yeah, I prefer more basil on mine but it was excellent.. And, no folks, the pizzas were NOT raw in the middle. Nor were they overly soupy. Must have been an off night last week?

                                                                                                      Service was excellent and attentive. They run a really tight ship there.

                                                                                                      1. re: thegory

                                                                                                        Maybe they are paying attention to this discussion, and not rushing the pizzas through a tired oven. If I was there (Calabria Bakery is my regular spot) I would ask for well done, and accept slight charring.

                                                                                                        1. re: thegory

                                                                                                          Is QMP making the a la carte option known to the patron? Last time I was there, you had to ask to opt out of the fix price dealio. Hope the za is still as good as it was opening week. Fantastic Margharita. Nice and simple.

                                                                                                          1. re: zeppelinrules

                                                                                                            On the menu there is a price listed under each individual pizza and then a price for the fixe prix at the bottom of the menu. So, you can choose either. I didn't notice individual prices for the other components of the fix prix though, but once you add those then you are likely coming up to the price of the fix prix anyway.

                                                                                                  2. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned "Live Jazz" and it happened to be a Tuesday night they were in. Anyone know if it is every Tuesday? Also on other day's of the week?

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                                                                                                    1. re: ylsf

                                                                                                      I found it there on a tuesday night a few weeks back, but in talking with the server I got the impression that it was a trial run for them. She thought they'd mostly be playing on the weekends, though maybe it'll evolve into something more. The music was great though and if it's the same trio each time, it's definitely worth checking them out.

                                                                                                      1. re: bfg900

                                                                                                        Have people had luck with their online reservation system? I tried to make online reservations several days ago but haven't heard anything, assuming that I'd receive an email confirmation. Has anyone used this system effectively?

                                                                                                        1. re: drjolt

                                                                                                          Made an online reservation - just called them and they said they hadn't got it as "I don't think the link is working".

                                                                                                          Just as well I phoned.

                                                                                                          1. re: Helen

                                                                                                            Nice - then maybe they should take the link down! Even an announcement on the website would do the trick.

                                                                                                            Thanks for the info.

                                                                                                            1. re: drjolt

                                                                                                              Agreed. I also tried an online reservation a couple of weeks ago and never heard back.

                                                                                                              1. re: peppermint pate

                                                                                                                I made a reservation for tonight (Friday) via the website on Tuesday (before I read all the above posts), and feared the worst. But, I got a call that afternoon confirming my reservation, so it appears that there's now a better (more efficient) system in place. Will add another post if tonight's dinner is notable.

                                                                                                                1. re: 2 cents

                                                                                                                  Please feel free to comment on your meal even if it's not notable. That's just as important for others to know!!

                                                                                                    2. Checked this place out on Friday with a a group of friends. Overall was not as great an experience as I had hopped it would be. I would prefer to spend my money at Pizza Libretto. We had the Prix Fix menu which sounded like a great deal. The first course was a lamb skewer, the lamb on the stick was only as thick as a pencil. It was dry and overcooked. Pizza was good, found the options to not be as exciting as Libretto but the ones we chose had lots of flavour and a nice crust. Then came our third course which was an arugula salad, which had looked like it was sitting in dressing for awhile before it came to the table as the leaves were limp. This place is definitely worth a try but I would suggest you stick with the pizzas and avoid the Prix Fix menu.

                                                                                                      1. Had a decent dinner at QMP. I tried to make reservations via the website, and if I hadn't heard about the website problems on Chowhound, I would have assumed that I did. Fortunately I called and made them by phone - but this certainly would have been a poor start to the evening and was a bit annoying anyway.

                                                                                                        My favorite thing about the dinner was the space. The restaurant is really lovely, very airy with gorgeous floors and woodwork. It's too loud, so be prepared to shout at your dinner companions when you're there. The food was okay. The prix fixe concept is a bit clumsy there given that the pizzas are so big. I can't imagine how anyone could actually eat every bite of all three courses, especially if selecting one of the heavier apps and desserts. Pretty much everyone in my party took half their pizza home. The pizzas were okay, not great. The crust is really thick and doughy. It was good for what it is, although I was expecting a thinner crust. Flavors were nice. With wine and beer, ended up coming out to about 50pp with tax and tip. For that price, I'd head elsewhere, but it seems like a solid addition for people who live nearby.

                                                                                                        1. Just ate there a couple of days ago...the verdict: the room is beautiful, our server was very nice, the pizza I had (the diavolo) was great and so was our dessert (the tiramisu). I'd go again.

                                                                                                          The downside: my girlfriend's pizza was severely undercooked. This might have been because she got their strange calzone pizza (which is like a regular pizza with half of it folded over into a calzone, and the rest flat like a regular pizza - it must be difficult to cook with half being much thicker than the other half), but that's not really an excuse. Also, the wait staff should be a little more knowledgeable about the wine (not recognizing the varietal of the first white wine, my girlfriend asked if it was a chadonnay; the waitress told her that it wasn't really like a chardonnay at all, and that it was just a regular dry white wine. We didn't want any of the other wines, though, so we ordered it. When it came - it was a chardonnay). That's a pretty small concern, though. Overall, my pizza was great, and I assume that (at least crust-wise, which is the most important part) the other regular (ie non-calzone) pizzas are great as well. Worthy competition for libretto, AND they take reservations (which is a HUGE plus in my books).

                                                                                                          1. Joanne Kates reviewed QMP today in the Globe and it was a very favourable review. She also contrasts QMP with Libretto. The uptake is that QMP is more of a traditional Neapolitan pizza than Libretto is (although the latter is very close too). It's also obvious, by her review, that she has been reading this thread on QMP! Enjoy:

                                                                                                            http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/f...

                                                                                                            I love that she points out that the 'crispy cracker-like kind I adore is a New World confection and not traditionally Neapolitan, which is softer and more bread-like, especially at the centre'.

                                                                                                            I know there has a been a lot of comparisons and criticisms about QMP vs Libretto and a lot of it has to do a lot with personal taste, which sometimes is at odds with how traditional Neapolitan pizza is supposed to be prepared. But I agree with Joanne - if you live on the east side of Toronto go to QMP and if you live on the west do Libretto.

                                                                                                            By the way, just so you don't have to look it up, the word 'haimische' that she uses is, I think, a yiddish word that, loosely translated, means homey, hearth-y, friendly.

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                                                                                                            1. re: Flexitarian

                                                                                                              We just went on Thursday night with our two preschoolers. Sat in the bar because they said they had other reservations upstairs. FYI, I think they did that because we had small kids - when we went upstairs later to check out the space, it was not packed (ie, we could have sat up there). Nevertheless we didn't mind. We enjoyed our meal. The prices that everyone else is talking about sound low. I think the pizzas start at $15 to 19. They are big - very filling for one person and if you have an appetizer, for sure you will be taking a half pizza home. We had one prix fixe and one "Kids prix fixe". The kids prix fixe isn't advertised anywhere but it's one regular sized pizza (whatever one you want on the menu) + a dessert (any one of their featured, not a kiddie dessert) -- only $10. What a deal. For the adult prix fixe, we had the panzanella salad which was really good, then another pizza and then another dessert. It was enough for 2 adults and 2 small kids - we still took pizza home. With 2 glasses of wine, I think our bill was around $70 all in. We will be going back. Only improvement would be to have more pizza options; however, they accommodated an topping swap no problem.

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                                                                                                              Queen Margherita Pizza
                                                                                                              1402 Queen St E, Toronto, ON M4L, CA

                                                                                                              1. re: ellerbee

                                                                                                                What? The kids prix fixe was the same as the adult prix fixe minus the salad. That makes it a $19.00 salad. Really?

                                                                                                                1. re: Full tummy

                                                                                                                  Sorry, I don't understand your logic? And even if I do, $10 for a kid to sit down to a meal with their family doesn't sound unreasonable to me anyway. But maybe that's just me.

                                                                                                                  1. re: Splendid Wine Snob

                                                                                                                    No, that's not what I was saying. Ellerbee said that for $10.00, they got a regular sized pizza (whatever you want from the menu) and a dessert. For $29.00, you can get an adult prix fixe, which is a regular sized pizza (when I was there, I saw only the one size on the menu) and a dessert, plus a salad. So, I am simply asking ellerbee if the only difference between the $10.00 meal and the $29.00 meal was really the addition of the salad. That makes it a $19.00 salad, by my calculations. That's all I'm trying to say. And, yes, $10.00 for that amount of food does seem quite reasonable. But given that the pizzas on the menu range from $14.00 and up, I am trying to figure out how they offer the same thing that cheaply for a kids prix fixe.

                                                                                                                    1. re: Full tummy

                                                                                                                      Ok then, its all good-thanks for the clarification.

                                                                                                                2. re: ellerbee

                                                                                                                  Sometimes people don't show up for their reservations-something hard to predict and quite annoying for the industry people.

                                                                                                                  SWS

                                                                                                                  1. re: Splendid Wine Snob

                                                                                                                    Hey full tummy,
                                                                                                                    Let me clarify a couple things. The adult prix fixe was $25, not 29. But yes, the only difference between the two was the appetizer. They didn't call the kids meal a "kids prix fixe" - I just called it that. Our waiter simply said that their kids meals were a pizza and dessert for $10. I think they would only offer that if customers were still ordering other meals because, yes, then everyone would want a kids meal. Also, I forgot we ordered a calamari appetizer in addition to our other food.

                                                                                                                    hope that clarifies. Regardless, the $25 is great deal for the adult prix fixe. Very satisfying. Even without kids, we would probably order 2 prix fixes (if we wanted dessert since we don't always partake in a sweet) and then just take some pizza home for the next day. I put my leftover pie in a 350 oven for 4 minutes and it was crispy and hot. Really perfect the next day - way better than I thought.

                                                                                                                    1. re: ellerbee

                                                                                                                      Wow, that is a great deal for the kids (well, really, for their parents)! In fact, very discounted, given that the minimum price of just a pizza is $14.00, if memory serves. Makes it worth taking kids there, for sure!! When I ate there, I just ordered a pizza, and I did enjoy it very much. No leftovers, however. I do plan to give the prix fixe a try, though... Might have leftovers that way!

                                                                                                              2. Finally hit up QMP tonight for the prix fix. We went early (5 30 ish) so they were only about 2/3 full- no line.
                                                                                                                I love the space. Really open, huge windows, lots of light, clean and bright.
                                                                                                                Service was lovely. Our male server was knowledgeable, attentive, friendly and humourous. He joked with us the whole time, without at all seeming unprofessional.
                                                                                                                Okay, so the food.. like I said, we all did the Prix Fix menu. Now it includes an app, pizza and dessert.
                                                                                                                Two started with the arugula salad with cranberries, pecans and balsamic. Pretty generic, but good and fresh. I had the Diavolo salad consisting of julienne of sopressata, black olives, capers, bocconcinni and sundried tomatoes. It was lovely! The heat from the sopressata and the saltiness from the olives and capers really livened the mellow cheese. A small portion (maybe 3/4 cup for the whole thing) but I don't think I could eat much more bocconcinni before a big pizza anyways.
                                                                                                                For pizzas we had the Rocco (tomatoes, gorgonzola, italian sausage and red onions), the Tomolo (tomato sauce, fior di latte, proscuitto and mushrooms), and Giovanni (tomato sauce, fior di latte, proscuitto , arugula and cherry tomatoes). The flavours were great! I love the crust around the edges BUT- as others have said.. it is pretty inconsistent. Two of the three pizzas were crisp all the way through, but mine was really soggy everywhere except for the edge crust. I also noticed that the table beside me got one good pizza, and sent their other one back because it also was completely raw in the middle. Perhaps they aren't cooking them long enough because they seemed to be out from the kitchen within minutes of ordering. Hopefully they'll work on that.
                                                                                                                For dessert we tried the strawberry cheesecake (fine.. but tasted.. very much store bought with that super sweet gelatinous strawberry sauce) and the lemon gelato (very light and refreshing).
                                                                                                                I will definitely return, but mostly because we are very close by.. but I think if you live on the other side of town.. you might want to wait a couple more weeks for them to work out the kinds (cooking times?)

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                                                                                                                32 Hess St S, Hamilton, ON L8P3N1, CA

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                                                                                                                1. re: hungryabbey

                                                                                                                  Too bad about your undercooked pizza... When I went, all four of ours (four of us were dining together) were fine, thankfully. Seems to me that with a pizza oven that hot, it takes just minutes to cook the pizzas, and probably less than a minute's difference in removal of the pizza could have a big effect on whether it's done properly or not. As I remember, they can only put three pizzas in the oven at a time (at least that was how they explained why three of our pizzas came together and the fourth a few minutes later). So, yes, they do need to be all about precision. Let's hope they figure that out, because I did enjoy myself and liked the space very much, too.

                                                                                                                  1. re: Full tummy

                                                                                                                    I went to QMP again Saturday night. I have to say I am beginning to like the casual ambience of the place and the fact it is not as crazy loud and hectic as Libretto. We went around 10pm and had no problem getting a table (the place closes at 11). We had an Iitalian Pinot Grigio which, for $40, was quite good (available at the LCBO).

                                                                                                                    The waiter, who we've had before, was very friendly. He was from Naples and explained to us that Neapolitan pizza is supposed to be a bit limp in the middle such that when you lift up and fold a slice of the pizza it is suppose to droop slightly at the end. (Of course, this does not mean it should be undercooked, but I haven't had one like that there yet). Another interesting tidbit: he also said that in Naples they never cut the pizza before it is served, but they tried that at QMP for a few nights, but customers complained that it wasn't cut.

                                                                                                                    We'll certainly go back, but, given the size of the pizzas (which appear to be slightly larger than Libretto's), we'll both order a salad and then just split a pizza with a bottle of wine (rather than 2 pizzas only and a bottle of wine).

                                                                                                                    1. re: Flexitarian

                                                                                                                      I haven't been to Libretto yet. Keep waiting for popularity to subside so I can avoid the crowds... That doesn't seem to be happening, though... So, yes, it is great to have QMP as an alternative, and I appreciate your comparison. I had a taste of the different pizzas at the table, and they were all very good. I thought the service was very professional and efficient, without being pushy in any way. Glad that we east-enders finally have a contender in the Neapolitan pizza challenge...

                                                                                                                      1. re: Full tummy

                                                                                                                        I should add that I've been to Libretto's 6 times for dinner and once for lunch and twice to QMP for dinner. I don't see too much difference in the quality of the pizza's which are both cooked in those special wood-burning ovens, except that QMP's is slightly bigger as I mentioned. Of course your mileage may vary depending on the night, how busy it is, how picky you are etc etc.

                                                                                                                  2. re: hungryabbey

                                                                                                                    @hungryabbey, I had a very similar experience.

                                                                                                                    4 of us went last night, with reservations. We all ordered the prix fixe (no problem with that here). The antipasti were great; two of us had the Arugula/Pear/Cheese salad, which was great. One had the romaine/blue cheese/bacon, also good. The fourth, I can't recall, but it also got a very good review.

                                                                                                                    All four pizzas were undercooked. My quattro formaggio actually still had hardened bits of cheese, though the shell tasted cooked. (Perhaps they baked the shell and added the cheese later on a second pass? Eew! I should have sent it back) The best at the table was the Medialuna (?) which smelled best mostly from the fresh basil, but also felt like something was missing. Perhaps not enough salt, or needing a bit of spice? We didn't think to ask for any condiments (do they even have any?) until we'd all eaten as much as we cared to.

                                                                                                                    Overall we all felt the pizza was a bit too bready; I've been to Napoli (and Roma and other Italian vacation destinations) and didn't think the pizza realistically compared to what the locals make at all. All four pies were definitely underdone, with the Quattro Formaggi being the most underdone. The one non-gourmet person at the table said "it's pizza, it's nothing special." When you start discussing how much you'd rather have pizza from somewhere else during the meal, and that somewhere else is Mamma's Pizza, you know things aren't going well.

                                                                                                                    For dessert, the tiramisu was outstanding, as was the vanilla gelato/espresso shot. I got the lemon gelato/limoncello shot and had a very bad allergic reaction to the egg whites in the gelato. (Don't ask.) The limoncello was delicious and perhaps was even homemade or specially imported.

                                                                                                                    Overall, I'd go for the antipasti and the desserts again, and personally avoid the lemon gelato. Next time I'll try Libretto.

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                                                                                                                    Queen Margherita Pizza
                                                                                                                    1402 Queen St E, Toronto, ON M4L, CA

                                                                                                                  3. Finally posted about my meal there!

                                                                                                                    Many people believe that Libretto holds the crown for best pizza in the city. Queen Margherita Pizza on the East side of Toronto has come to challenge that. While the main card is a $25 prix-fixe, just so you know, you are still able to order by the pie. However, the pizzas are big enough for sharing (if you’re a lighter-eater) and with a reasonably-priced glass of wine, it’s a really nice way to spend an evening. Now, I’ll get out of the way and let the photos do their thing:

                                                                                                                    http://bit.ly/9rgRky

                                                                                                                    Out of all the pizzas I liked the Giovanni (tomato sauce, fior di latte cheese, arugula, cherry tomatoes and prosciutto di Parma) best and the polenta starter was very nice.

                                                                                                                    Really, I feel it comes down to pizza style (though both tout being “authentic”) - if you like your pizza crispy through-out (Libretto) or just a little softer at its heart (QMP). Either way, both pizzerias use high-quality ingredients and put out some fine pies and each have claimed their territory in Toronto. I call it a draw and am happy for more good pizza in town.

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                                                                                                                    Queen Margherita Pizza
                                                                                                                    1402 Queen St E, Toronto, ON M4L, CA

                                                                                                                      1. re: dautcalm

                                                                                                                        They have plans for a one-day-a-week trial, if they haven't already started.

                                                                                                                        1. re: dautcalm

                                                                                                                          They're already open Saturday and Sunday for lunch. Pizza only. Takeout, too.

                                                                                                                          1. re: Herb

                                                                                                                            We do take out regularly - the pizza is cooked so quickly , there is no need to call ahead. I've never waited more than a few minutes. Also guarantees that the pie is super hot.

                                                                                                                            To elaborate on Herb's reply, they stay open all day ( no closing between lunch and dinner ) on the weekends if you may want an afternoon snack or early dinner.

                                                                                                                        2. Finally tried QMP and was delighted on all counts. Service was outstandingly friendly and welcoming (wow! is this Toronto??) the Prix Fixe menu was very good value, although we all knew we could order just the pizza, everyone was hungry enough for the full deal, and the $25 price is very reasonable. The wine list is proper for the kind of food and reasonably priced. We had a smooth red for $40. Everybody polished their plates, except for the pizza crusts which are a bit chewey.
                                                                                                                          I had the breasola appetizer, excellent, and the vegetarian pizza which had just the right amount of artichoke and grilled zucini and lovely tomato sauce and light cheese. The tiramusu for dessert was light and fluffy. All in all, a very satisfactory casual weeknight supper, in an unpretentious place that seems to have a well deserved local following.
                                                                                                                          The room is lovely - light and airy. The bathrooms are spotless - and a major plus for those of us who are not so athletic, they are on the same level as the dining room, so no staggering down and then hauling oneself up from some reeking basement on a rickety narrow staircase.
                                                                                                                          I'll definitely be back, especially now that I know they are open for pizza only lunch at the weekends, and that they do take-out.
                                                                                                                          My only quibble is that the bar has no olives for a Martini. But that should't be hard to solve.

                                                                                                                          1. Well, Amy Pataki of the Toronto Star just reviewed QMP and said it was better than Libretto, so it must be! I disagree with her and think they both make fine pizzas, but have their strengths and weaknesses.

                                                                                                                            http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/...

                                                                                                                            1. I tried Queen Margherita tonight for the first time. We opted for the prix fix. Mostly because the difference in price seemed worth it, because I figured I would end up taking some of the pizza home (I was right).

                                                                                                                              I ordered the green bean salad for the salad, the giovanni pizza and the gelato with espresso. The green bean salad was just ok. To me the green beans seemed of the canned variety and I added balsamic. But, the pizza, honestly all I could think of as I was eating it was that it was ethereal. The crust was medium thickness, nice edge, softer in the middle, but I wouldnt call it soupy. It has just a hint of salty, yeastiness. The tomato sauce was just the way I like it in terms of flavour, were just the right. The fiore di latte was deliciously creamy. The prosciutto, arugula, basil and small cut up cherry tomatoes were just the right compliments. I could have easily eaten the whole thing from a flavour/experience perspective, but I forced myself to save almost half to take home. The vanilla ice cream with espresso was yummy. I will happily return. Oh, and as an aside, I was at Pizza Libretto about a month or so ago and it was ok, but no where near as good as this pizza. Heaven. Obviously Terroni (which is fine) and Mercatto, etc. don't even come close. Amazing. Happy Birthday to me.

                                                                                                                              Oh, I should add that one of my friends had the one with soppresetta (I can't remember what it was called). It was also delicious. The soppresetta was amazing. My other friend had the quattro fromaggio. I didn't try it, but she was very happy with it. She had the mango/peach/blueberry salad to start rather than the green bean salad. I think it was a better option.

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                                                                                                                              15 Toronto Street, Toronto, ON M5C 2E3, CA

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                                                                                                                              1. re: pescatarian

                                                                                                                                I was there last night for dinner (Thursday) we arrived just after 6 and most of the tables were empty but we got a bit of attitude about not having a reservation.

                                                                                                                                Once seated our waiter was friendly but a bit awkward. I went with the Prix Fix and my husband just had a pizza on its own as he wasn't that hungry. My app was prosciuotto with some cheese I can't recall. It was good but the prosciutto was cut a bit thick. I had the ricotta pizza which I was comparing to the one I'd had at Libretto. Libretto won hands down, the QMP pizza was very stingy on the ricotta and the edges of the crust were charred. I don't mind it being well done, I know that's how its supposed to be, but this was BURNT.

                                                                                                                                My husband had the Porchetta pizza, he liked it but agreed Libretto was better. He was a big fan of the sauce and crust though so I'm not sure why he preferred Libretto.

                                                                                                                                For dessert I had the lemon gelato with a shot of Limoncello, it was ok, not homemade.

                                                                                                                                Overall, this place was just ok. I witnessed the guy who was seating people give attitude to many people over the course of the night and that just really rubbed me the wrong way. I got the feeling that the ego of the place was getting too big for its own good. We probably won't be back, in the area I actually prefer Lil Baci.

                                                                                                                                1. re: paper_bag_princess

                                                                                                                                  That's too bad that was your experience.

                                                                                                                                  The guy at the door started off being a bit annoying. We had reservations The place was packed with lots of people coming in also (the dining room was full when we were there). I told him we had a reservation for 3 at 7. He went to his book and came back and said you said 8 right and I said, no I said 7. He started saying that I must have originally said 8. I started explaining that I was certain I had said 7 and that I had confirmation by email. He said there will not be a problem. I could tell they had screwed up our reservation, but he came back and said our table was just finishing up with their bill and he proceded to give us updates every min or so. Short story is I was a little annoyed because I could tell they screwed up the reservation, but he handled it pretty well and we really didn't have to wait that long. I think he has a way about him that could easily be perceived as having an attitude, even if he is not.

                                                                                                                                  The waiter we had was great. Friendly and efficient. The place was hopping.

                                                                                                                                  None of the 3 pizzas we had were burnt. I honestly feel like it was the best pizza experience I've had since I was in Italy several years ago. Definitely better than Libretto (sauce and crust probably the main reasons). I was at L'il Baci last year and it's fine for a lunch if you're in the area, but the pizza is not in the same league in my opinion to even compare the two.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: paper_bag_princess

                                                                                                                                    Nice report, but too bad about the overall effect. QMP is not close to me so I haven't been there yet, but may try some day.
                                                                                                                                    Burnt is definitely worse than charred, and there is a fine line. I ask for well done at Calabria (cheaper,btw) and it stays in the oven for an extra minute, coming out perfectly crispy and slightly charred on the bottom.

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                                                                                                                                    1772 Midland Ave, Toronto, ON M1P, CA

                                                                                                                                    1. re: jayt90

                                                                                                                                      We're going for a return visit this Sunday. Really looking forward to it.

                                                                                                                                      Our first visit was shortly after opening day and we were quite happy with our meal. Since then, it's received so many great reviews that my mouth is watering just thinking about it.

                                                                                                                                      The lemoncello desert is something I definitely want to try and hope it's on the menu this weekend.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: millygirl

                                                                                                                                        jayt90, where is Calabria? Haven't heard of it.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: paper_bag_princess

                                                                                                                                          Calabria is a hidden gem at 1772 Midland Av., above Lawrence.
                                                                                                                                          They have a wood burning oven only on Thursday and Friday (to accommodate the venerable pizza chef, maybe?) from 11AM until 4PM.
                                                                                                                                          The 12" pizzas are $8 to $12, and made to order in front of you.
                                                                                                                                          Table service or take out, it's quite good because you can talk to the cook as he works.

                                                                                                                                2. BEST
                                                                                                                                  PIZZA
                                                                                                                                  EVER!!

                                                                                                                                  Visited last night with a friend of mine. I can say NOTHING BAD about this pizza. It was amazing. We didn't have the prix fixe as it just seemed like too much food. I had the Diavola (spicy salami, fior di latte, hot peppers) and my friend had another - sausage, gorgonzola, etc. The pizza was large, larger than L'il Baci, which was our former favourite pizza place (haven't been to Libretto and probably won't go). Our pizzas were 16.95 and 17.95 respectively.
                                                                                                                                  The crust was charred, it was cooked in the middle but not overcooked, the toppings were the perfect amount - not too much, not too little and it was just divine. I let DH have my leftovers when I got home and he wanted to go back and get more! Even after having eaten dinner and eating half my pizza!
                                                                                                                                  One thing though, we felt a little rushed. The owner (John) came over to chat us up a little and finally admitted that they were waiting for our table, because the line-up was out the door. As we left, there were about 4 people in the doorway and a few at the bar, but it wasn't crazy. I won't hold it against him since we were getting ready to leave, but it was a bit rude.
                                                                                                                                  Oh ya, we saw Galen Weston there as well. Guess the PC thin crust pizzas don't do it for him, either.

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                                                                                                                                  Queen Margherita Pizza
                                                                                                                                  1402 Queen St E, Toronto, ON M4L, CA

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: thenurse

                                                                                                                                    We went for second time last Sunday and had an excellent experience again. We went over there to try to get burgers a Burger's Priest. They don't post hours on their website and phone went to generic answering machine with no info, so we learned the annoying way they were closed on Sunday.

                                                                                                                                    Walked over to QMP, it was fairly busy but they got us a table in just a few minutes. Started off with a couple of amazing mojitos that hit the spot for the steamy evening. Partner and I both got the prix fixe. First course was tasty but not super memorable. Partner got the fungi and I got the quattro formaggi pizzas. Both were excellent, crust had a perfect char to it. Top had a couple of charred bubbles which I really like.

                                                                                                                                    The red sauce is amazing so probably wouldn't order a white pizza again. The Quattro Fromaggi was super good but for me the red sauce is amazing. We enjoyed it last time but this time was a notch better, can't wait to try the rest of the menu.

                                                                                                                                    1. Went about a week ago on a Saturday with my partner and another couple. We had made reservations and came on time and were just waiting for the other couple. While we waited and our table was being prepared, we were offered drinks on the house by the owner. Completely not necessary but was a very welcoming and nice touch.
                                                                                                                                      When we were taken to our table, I was a little disappointed that it was right at the entrance to the washrooms. One of the chairs was also wet.

                                                                                                                                      We all ended up having the prix fixe menu - the starters were nice but not that memorable. I recall splitting the fried calamari and the porchetta with a friend. The pizzas, on the other hand, were outstanding. Three of us had the Giovanni and one of the friends had the Roberto. The tomato sauce was wonderful - sweet and fresh but not overpowering. The crust was great for my liking - a little charred but with the perfect amount of "chew" factor.

                                                                                                                                      For dessert we had a combination of the lemon gelato and a coconut cream pie. Not very "Italian" but was decent although at this point I had been pretty full and just wanted something sweet to end the meal. We were pleasently surprised that we did not feel rushed even though it was fairly busy - we had stayed back talking for a while even after paying the bill.

                                                                                                                                      1. Pizza good/Attitude poor

                                                                                                                                        Out of 3 attempts we have managed to snag a reservation once. The pizza really is as great as many reviewers say and the atmosphere really is nice and the service was friendly enough...all this is once you are in. However, while I do understand that if you want to go to a place you have to take responsibility and call early enough for a reservation, I am really annoyed when invited to leave a message to make a reservation and there is zero response and when I follow up, I am met with the arrogance of a 'we are too successful to bother calling you back' attitude. When we called to ask what had happened to our message we were given an off hand, insincere apology: 'sorry, we've been booked for several days'. Would I have tried on another occasion because we really do like the pizza? definitely, as often as necessary. Will I try again after this we-couldn't-really-care-less apology? Hightly doubtful. This is not the only good pizza game in town. I'm truly disappointed....wanted to love this place.

                                                                                                                                        This is the second time with 'the attitude'. The first time it's nice to give benefit of the doubt. If our experience is reflective of the owners' attitude then I suspect they will not check their reviews and use comments to fine tune and improve. I hope however that they do. It really would be a shame if they failed for something that is so easily fixed. I am not the only one to have 'benefited' from this attitude. I saw several similar reviews on Urbanspoon as well.

                                                                                                                                        If you are immune to this kind of treatment, definitely go. If you like to be treated well and with respect, maybe not.

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                                                                                                                                        Queen Margherita Pizza
                                                                                                                                        1402 Queen St E, Toronto, ON M4L, CA

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                                                                                                                                            1. re: chris73

                                                                                                                                              Thanks.
                                                                                                                                              I'm thinking of going for lunch,anyone know if reservations are necessary?

                                                                                                                                        1. We are frequent visitors to QMP. We have also been to Libretto, and there is no comparison - this isn't and East vs West bias... simply QMP's pizza is far superior to Libretto's. Having eaten dozens of pizza's in Italy, QMP is definitely the more authentic option. The only complaint I have is that you can't just order a simple green salad on the side rather than ordering the 3 course prix fixe menu, which is quite a lot of food, albeit pretty reasonable considering the volume and quality.

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                                                                                                                                          Queen Margherita Pizza
                                                                                                                                          1402 Queen St E, Toronto, ON M4L, CA

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                                                                                                                                          1. re: vankirk

                                                                                                                                            TOTALLY agree V.

                                                                                                                                            QMP is the best pizza this side of Naples. It isn't the pizza style most are accustomed to, so I understand the complaints about soggy middle (it's the way it is), simple style (no stuffed crust here), burnt crust (it's like a wonderful charred naan bread), and poor take out (these pizzas are made in a 700-800F furnace and are best when eaten immediately).

                                                                                                                                            1. re: PoppiYYZ

                                                                                                                                              Wow you sure managed to make this sound awful. Soggy, but still burnt, and boring

                                                                                                                                              I ate here once a couple years ago and it did nothing to impress me enough to go back, and if their west end location ever opens I probably won't try it again

                                                                                                                                              1. re: disgusti

                                                                                                                                                Ha, ha,

                                                                                                                                                Sorry about my poor description, but after two trips to Naples on a pizza eating quest, QMP is the closest thing I have ever found. NYC has great similar style pizza, but QMP is closer to Naples IMHO.

                                                                                                                                                The best :
                                                                                                                                                Sorbillos, they just nailed it that afternoon. Char and soggy center. Pure Heaven !

                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                          2. Hiring ex-Langdon Hall chef Jonathan Gushue to be the exec culinary director of their burgeoning empire, which is just such a ballsy incredible move. Really glad I live in Leslieville!

                                                                                                                                            http://www.postcity.com/Eat-Shop-Do/E...

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                                                                                                                                            1. re: childofthestorm

                                                                                                                                              This makes me nervous.

                                                                                                                                              QMP has specialized, limited things to a few essentials, and done it very very well. A business model that would have saved many failed restaurants IMHO.

                                                                                                                                              I can understand the business rational "to redesign the menus at those pizzerias", but I hope they don't lose focus on their star menu item.

                                                                                                                                              The new restaurant however could be very interesting.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: PoppiYYZ

                                                                                                                                                Completely agree. The only change I still would like them to make is to have available a simple salad (I always love greens to follow or accompany pizza). Now that I read this I think I need QMP tonight...

                                                                                                                                            2. Always really liked QMP and hadn't been for a few months. Went this weekend and the pizza was still great but they now charge $10 for bread and olive oil. What????
                                                                                                                                              Think we will have to go to Terroni more often.

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                                                                                                                                              1. re: jacquieF

                                                                                                                                                That's absolutely insane! That would be a deal-breaker for me as well.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: kwass

                                                                                                                                                  That is crazy. I refuse to pay for
                                                                                                                                                  unless it's a couple of bucks (and then it
                                                                                                                                                  still makes me unhappy). I see it as a cost of business (I know the arguments for charging, but it's a low class move as far as I'm concerned, the added few bucks are not worth the PR loss). I will not be going there and paying that, will do takeout at QMP but eat at Terroni or Pizza e Paze.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: kwass

                                                                                                                                                      I would have no problem if pizza places like QMP didn't include bread with pizza orders, but only did with pastas and other mains. Then if I asked for some, I would be ok with them telling me they don't serve bread with pizzas [anymore]. If I made a fuss because I came to expect it, I would hope that they would bring me some for free "this one time". That way I know to not expect it next time when choosing to eat there.

                                                                                                                                                      It all costs money so if one needs a basket of bread before a pizza maybe one could consider ordering an app!

                                                                                                                                                      Not judging people for eating a basket of bread before eating a pizza but it does cost money and it doesn't exactly compliment the pizza...

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: justsayn

                                                                                                                                                        I agree that it doesn't compliment the pizza...bread on top of bread. But I love bread with my meal, especially if it's good bread served with a good olive oil and balsamic. For me, it's always a disappointment when it's not served.

                                                                                                                                                2. re: jacquieF

                                                                                                                                                  If they shaped some dough like a pizza and baked it, then sprinkled olive oil on it and called it "The Olivoilator" would you complain at the $10 cost? I wanted to go there to eat a pizza but I won't pay $10 for bread also. Actually it will probably be closer to $13 after tax and tip for what is usually free in Canada.

                                                                                                                                                  I didn't see $10 bread on the menu, I wonder if they don't have the nads to let anyone know

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: foodyDudey

                                                                                                                                                    It's funny that you say that. I can't explain the difference in mindset, but I wouldn't mind if they charged for something like the "Olivoilator". Makes no sense.

                                                                                                                                                  2. re: jacquieF

                                                                                                                                                    How many people were at your table? is it a per person charge maybe? Did you specifically ask for bread?

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: pourboi

                                                                                                                                                      I don't think the numbers at the table should matter. Charging for bread is ridiculous, unless it is a European affectation, in which case it is doubly ridiculous in this country. I dine fairly regularly at Table 17 where the baguette and olive oil are excellent, complimentary and copious, and part of the hospitality that I am a return customer for.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: KitchenVoodoo

                                                                                                                                                        Do you eat at the restaurants which have never served pre-meal bread and oil/butter, of which there are many?

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: chowfinder

                                                                                                                                                          Too many to mention ....;) Although I draw the line at wandering beneath a golden arch.
                                                                                                                                                          Lighten up....

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: KitchenVoodoo

                                                                                                                                                            Oh I'm light. And I too thought of the golden arches when I wrote that...weird.

                                                                                                                                                        2. re: KitchenVoodoo

                                                                                                                                                          if they charge for bread and there are 10 people at the table $10 is not outrageous... if they charge for bread and it is one guest and they charge $10 it is insane highway robbery... so yes the number at the table do matter in my opinion...

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: pourboi

                                                                                                                                                            I know that many restaurants in Europe charge for bread, even if you don't ask for it, but when I eat out in Toronto I would rather that the restaurant sources great bread and olive oil (Table 17 for example, and kudos to Bonjour Brioche for the quality of the baguette) and simply builds that cost into the menu prices. If I see on my bill that I have been charged extra for bread - even though the total bill might be the exact same as at Table 17 - it would make me feel annoyed to the point of not wanting to return. But I can appreciate that the gluten free and low fat crowd could argue that this would unfairly penalize them into subsidising those of us who love a well made baguette and lots of peppery olive oil to dip it into. But aren't we lucky to have so many non bread serving restaurants as an alternative? :)

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: KitchenVoodoo

                                                                                                                                                              A correction: in certain countries in Europe, some restaurants charge you for bread, and it would be well-known to locals (not tourists).

                                                                                                                                                        3. re: pourboi

                                                                                                                                                          There were two of us at the table. It was a slow afternoon. They didn't have bread on the menu (I don't think they ever did), so we asked as we had always received it before. That's when they said they don't do it anymore except for a $10 charge. It wasn't necessarily the bread but the whole marinated hot peppers and bread thing was a really nice starter for us.