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santa monica restaurant to take out of towners?

hello all. I have a couple friends from high school coming to visit me from pennsylvania tomorrow night. I live and work in santa monica. I go out in santa monica pretty often, and i'm still stumped as to where to take them for dinner tomorrow night. I spoke with one of the aforementioned friends this afternoon and he said he wanted to eat at gladstone's. i've never dined there, but i believe it to be a cheesy, touristy spot that i would prefer not to go to. Ideally, the place would be not too expensive and still fun for out of towners. please help!!

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  1. How about the Enterprise Fish Company which I think is better than Gladstones?

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    1. re: flylice2x

      Enterprise is just a step ahead of Red Lobster -- Venice and Santa Monica have so much more to offer. Father's Office, Rockenwagner's 3 Square, Joe's in Venice, Musha, and Josie would have all been fine choices for food that someone from Pennsylvania cannot really get much of and that show off LA, which has an abysmal reputation in Pennsylvania (sadly).

    2. Gladstone's is horrible and overpriced.

      F.O. is absolutely my favorite.

      Joe's (well, in Venice...)


      The Lobster

      1. I'm guessing your friend falls into one of three schools of thought:

        1) He remembers Gladstone's from his high school days - he probably has fond memories of this place? If this place has nostalgic value, how can one deny a visit? You might have to suck it up and go. But if this is the case, you might forewarn him that it's like yearning to see your size 2 high school sweetheart at the 20-year reunion, only to find that she's now added a 0 to that size 2. I think cherished memories of the past are better left intact, if at all possible.

        2) He heard from others in Pennsylvania who had visited LA that it's a great place to go. Folks who aren't fortunate enough to regularly take in the Pacific can be so easily mesmerized by places like Gladstone's. I think most cattle-cart tourists really get swept away by the Gladstone's concept. I mean how much closer can one get to the vast Pacific ocean while having a meal? The portions are pretty generous - the quality is what most Hounds have an issue with. Wantonly discarding your peanut shells on the floor is kinda fun - it's almost like the otherwise well-behaved can indulge themselves for years of towing the line. If I recall, a good number of the staff have the chiseled looks and sheen of Baywatch extras. But I'm sure almost all of them are college students who are from out of state as well. And the kitschy, almost ceremonial wrapping of the leftovers in foil, shaped like some half-recognizable animal is grand. This only to be outdone by the monstrous lackluster desserts. When I look back at my visits here (honestly - I recall three times but this was back in the days of item #1), I feel like Gladstone's was a concept developed by people like the Sham-Wow guy. There's a lot of hype, a lot of schtick, the pitch is just a little too slick, and if looking at the experience with a good pair of glasses, one is left feeling like he got taken.

        If you want to take your friend(s) somewhere casual where they can wriggle their toes in the sand right on the beach while taking some seafood, I'd head to Paradise Cove Beach Cafe. To me, it just fits better with what most visiting LA would want from an eating-by-the-ocean experience. It's super casual, the food is passable, and you're literally right there on the beach in Paradise Cove. This is the beach that has been used for so many beach scenes in TV, commercials and movies - you'll probably recognize it instantly.

        3) He wants to have a few drinks and a nice meal while taking in a panoramic view of the Pacific? This somewhat overlaps item 2, but in this particular case, he truly wants a pretty good dining experience. Gladstone's obviously fails this test for the most part. Even if the food were better, the dining environment wouldn't pass. It's too casual, the service isn't up to par, and Gladstone's cuisine is (again - even if it were up to par) is too basic.

        Geoffrey's would probably work for this ideal - the food is good, the view is nice, and the sunsets are amazing at this time of year. But it's not cheap and the seating is outdoors on a patio. It can get cold at this time of year (no Pennsylvania cold though), so one should dress warm. The service is not great but adequate.

        Since you're in Santa Monica, there is a place to consider that I'm guessing most from Pennsylvania would consider to be unique. Musha is unique even by Santa Monica standards. It's a Japanese izakaya, and by this standard, it's a little unique even still. They do serve some of the basic izakaya dishes (buta no kakuni, croquettes, seafood prepared various ways) but they also do some pretty unique dishes as well. Cheese risotto prepared in a wheel of parm, ponzu duck, and tofu fries. The shicirin (tabletop) grill is fun as well. The smell of the food grilling in front of you truly gets the appetite going. I personally feel that their beverage menu could use some better additions, but it's adequate. As far as budget, izakaya food is small plates fare, so you can pretty much decide when to stop. I personally prefer the Musha in Torrance for its larger size, broader menu and "salary-man" environment, but the Santa Monica location is more than fair.

        Geoffrey's Malibu
        27400 Pacific Coast Highway, Malibu, CA 90265

        1725 W Carson St, Torrance, CA 90501

        424 Wilshire Blvd, Santa Monica, CA 90401

        Paradise Cove Beach Cafe
        28128 Pacific Coast Hwy Frnt, Malibu, CA 90265

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        1. re: bulavinaka

          I agree with bulavinaka's idea of taking out of towners places that they don't have access to back home...which usually translates into Japanese and Mexican. Agree that Musha is a good choice--good food, fun, and reasonably priced. Another good alternative might be Border Grill for upscale Mexican in a festive environment. Maybe ask your friends what kind of food they are interested in and use that to guide you?

        2. I would chose Anisette Brasserie for both food and the ambiance:


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          1. re: SilverlakeGirl

            I would chose Chez Jay over Gladstones.

            1. re: maudies5

              I did not recommend either Gladstone's or Chez Jay. But rather Anisette more for the decor than anything else.

          2. They want to go to a restaurant on the shore,
            take them to THE LOBSTER, if you can get a reservation,
            get a window table w/ view of ferris wheel++
            Food is gr8 and they still have their original opening Chef.

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            1. re: NumeroUnoEat

              The Lobster has a new chef and they are about to change their menu.

              1. re: lizziee

                I too have an out-of-town friend that I want to take to lunch in SM next week so this post was very helpful. Is there a time limit for valeting my car at The Lobster? I'd like to eat there, but also walk around a bit. Thanks.

                1. re: mocro

                  Park in Santa Monica Place or park at the Olympic and 4th parking structure (its the one with the colored panels); they're both within easy walking distance from the Lobster.

            2. Why not just pick up some bento boxes at Mako or some takeout from Rockenwagner and just hangout at the boardwalk in Venice. While you chow down on your grub, you can take in the sights and sounds of the "natives" as well as the ocean view.

              Just a thought from out of left field ...

              1. go anyplace EXCEPT gladstones.

                1. I concur with the suggestion of the Lobster as an alternative to Gladstones. Gladstones is wretched.

                  If you can't get into the Lobster and you don't want to go as far as Geoffreys, and you want an oceanfront view, you can also try the Chart House or Moonshadows. The food here is better than Gladstones, but not exceptional, but the restos are right on the water. I've enjoyed having a cocktail and an appetizer at the Chart House, and watching the dolphins in the water.

                  For a spectacular view, even though its not oceanside, take your friends up to the Penthouse at the Huntley Hotel for a drink. Another great drink spot is the lobby bar at the Casa del Mar - get a table right by the bay window and watch the sun go down.

                  I agree with others that Musha and Anisette would be great choices. And if you like old fashioned steakhouses like Chez Jay, the Galley on Main Street is similar.

                  1. Seeing as how they are from an ocean impoverished area of the country you might just take them to Back on the Beach (which is actually right ON the beach in Santa Monica). The food is solid, the prices are fair and eating with you toes right in the sand is pretty neat and hard to find.

                    Add: Since this is the "Winter" here you would need to have a very early dinner since B on the B is only open till 5 PM on the weekend. Maybe tell them about it for a lunch?

                    Back on the Beach
                    445 Palisades Beach Rd, Santa Monica, CA

                    1. You really should heed Bulavinaka's post (3rd from top). I completely agree with it in its entirety. Geoffrey's is great (both food and location), but expensive. Musha is very good and not expensive.

                      Depending on your ages and marital status, I would also add Wilshire to the list. It's not near the beach, but it's got good food, cool decor and on the weekends it's got nice eye candy.

                      1. I live in Santa Monica and always wonder where to take my pals from out of town or out of the country. There are two categories, good food or views.

                        There is the restaurant that is on the top of the old Huntley Hotel (2nd just north of Wilshire)though I can't remember the name even though I just went there. Used to be a mexican restaurant and now it's a high end place with that same wonderful view.

                        And no matter how you slice it, Gladstones is still fun for a drink and a bowl of clam chowder on the deck.

                        Michaels is always a treat. I hear great things about FIG in the Fairmont. Boa for steaks, Ocean Avenue Seafood or Ivy on the Shore which is a guarantee celebrity spot.

                        1. If you want seafood, hit Santa Monica Seafood Company on Wilshire. It's where the locals go. I just discovered Fraiche, which is mighty nice. If you want Santa Monica, you should go to Bay Cities Deli. I know it is somewhat cliche to pick them, but there's a reason the legend looms so large over all other sandwiches.

                          1. Gladstones is gross.

                            What about Catch at Casa del Mar?

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                            1. re: yogachik

                              I took my parents and grandparents to Catch on Christmas day. The food was lackluster from start to finish. However, the dinner was a success due to the ambience and the perception of upscaleness that the place creates in diners' minds.

                            2. If your friends are interested in Gladstone's, I would steer you to Duke's Malibu instead--it's a similar environment and the food is better. I took my in-laws there after visiting the Getty Villa and it was a huge hit. I think the food at Geoffrey's is lackluster and expensive--and it's pretty far away.