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beetlebug Jan 3, 2010 07:10 AM

I read about this website in my local paper (the Boston Globe) and have been playing with it for the last few days. It's a great and easy to use website on finding recipes from all your cookbooks. There is a free 30 day trial and a limited lifetime membership for $50.

I don't have nearly as many cookbooks as most HC hounds. I use about 25 of them regularly but do spend way too much time going through them, looking for recipes using certain ingredients. Since I have a summer, winter and meat CSA, I spend a lot of time backtracking through cookbooks. This site is a huge time saver.

You input your cookbook titles into the database. EYB has a huge database of indexed cookbooks. Then, to do a search, you go to your library and type in an ingredient. The site then goes through your library's cookbooks, and matches ingredients to the recipes you already have.

Where this will really get interesting is when I input the cookbooks that I don't use on a regular basis. Who knows what interesting recipes will pop up when I type in an ingredient I want to use up. There are cookbooks on the back end of my shelf that I never look at and this can help remedy that.

NOTE: the site doesn't show the recipe, it just tells you what cookbook it's from. This way, you don't have to comb through all your cookbooks to find recipes for whatever excess ingredient you might have.

I think the site is only about 6 months old so there are only about 800+ books indexed. But, out of my 25 books that I inputted, only 3 weren't indexed (including my beloved Flexitarian Table). But, it looks like they are constantly adding more.

Here are the links to the site as well as to the Globe article.

http://www.eatyourbooks.com/MemberPages/MyEyb.aspx

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/food/...

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  1. The Dairy Queen Jan 3, 2010 07:32 AM

    Interesting, indeed! I've been thinking something like this was necessary and was actually thinging of scanning the indices of my own cookbooks for awhile to accomplish something similar.

    When the software tells you what cookbook a recipe is in, does it give you the name of the recipe and the page number?

    ~TDQ

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      beetlebug Jan 3, 2010 07:43 AM

      It gives the recipe name and cookbook but no page numbers. That's because of different editions. It really is fun to play with.

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        The Dairy Queen Jan 3, 2010 08:40 AM

        Very cool. Do they have a mechanism by which you can request a book to be added, for instance, Flex Table?

        I like the feature (the idea of it anyway, I haven't actually played with the tool yet) where you can search all books (even the ones you don't own.) Maybe there's an obscure ingredient you like but never can find enough things to do with, and this may be a good mechanism for you to find books you might consider buying.

        ~TDQ

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      karykat Jan 3, 2010 09:17 AM

      I wonder how they are doing this. Scanning just the indices? Or all the recipes so that every ingredient is included. That would be truly laborious - and comprehensive.

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        The Dairy Queen Jan 3, 2010 10:16 AM

        I was thinking that, too. I'm going to have to poke around more, but it would be nice to know, for instance, if a recipe features carrots, or if it just happens to have some carrots in it...

        ~TDQ

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        rainey Jan 3, 2010 10:51 AM

        Interesting concept but nothing is as valuable as your own recipe DB so I'd bite the bullet and spend the money and get that started as soon as possible.

        I probably have a healthy cookbook collection. And I've had a DB for 10 years or more. Wouldn't want to have to do without either one but if I had to, my choice would be clear!

        A DB can be used in many ways and the simplest would be to put the reference to a recipe and whatever cookbook(s) it appears in with page numbers. But when you do the initial work to put individual recipes in you can: share them on forums by C&P (no typing errors to ever worry about again!), you can share the whole DB with family even printing them out in the form of cookbooks if you like, you can do a search by ingredient (my current DB also has a "potluck" feature that will give me as many suggestions as I want), you can search by any keyword you assign to things (like family members' favorite foods), you can generate notes (like everything written about tempering chocolate to compare, say, Sharffen Berger's methods with David Lebovitz' and Alice Medrich's; I have one for which Indian foods I prefer at which local Indian restaurants), you can generate the shopping list (my current one has an iPod utility that keeps my shopping lists portable, editable and organizes them by store), you can scale recipes up and down without any math errors and you can have pix of anything you like.

        There are some cookbooks and personal recipes for which I have to do the typing but it's amazing how many of them I'm able to find an internet reference to and just copy in. Also anything that's been in Bon Apetit, Gourmet, Home & Garden is on epicurious to be copied. Many other mags and newspaper Food Sections have their own recipe DBs that can be copied in as can recipes from food websites.

        All said, for the one-time $30 or so I spent on my program I have something that I'd rush into a burning house to retrieve (I have the data on 3 separate thumb drives) and to share with my kids. And I got to try the program free for $30 to see if it was going to meet my needs.

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          JaneEYB Jan 3, 2010 11:40 AM

          As the co-founder of Eat Your Books, I'm posting to answer the questions raised so far. You can request that we index any book you own that has not yet been done - the more requests it gets, the higher up the list it goes. The indexing is done by manually entering the details for each recipe into our database - main ingredients, recipe type, ethnicity, special diet, meal/course and occasion. So yes, it is laborious and expensive (hence membership fees) but it means you have a really valuable search engine if you are a member. We don't include store-cupboard ingredients such as flour, butter, oil, etc but everything else is listed, including all herbs and spices. So if you have a lot of carrots or something else in your CSA box then you can quickly find all the recipes in your books that contain that ingredient, or limit your search to just categories such as soups or vegetarian recipes.
          I admire the time and effort that rainey has invested in their own recipe database but most people don't want to do that, so hopefully EYB will fill that need.

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            karykat Jan 3, 2010 12:34 PM

            Very cool. Do you have a list of the books you've indexed?

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              JaneEYB Jan 3, 2010 12:43 PM

              Yes, if you go to www.eatyourbooks.com and click on the Community page there is a link to the indexed books list. You don't have to sign up for the free trial to view the list. There are quite a few pages you can view before deciding whether to sign up, though as the free trial doesn't involve any financial commitment, that is worth doing as you then get a better idea of what the website can do.

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        2. BigSal Jan 3, 2010 02:57 PM

          Thanks for sharing this resource with us. I think it will be a great way for me to get more use out of my current cookbooks. Just today, I was looking through them to figure out what I should do with some extra leeks I have. I am looking forward to seeing this database develop. The only downside for me so far, is that my Japanese, Korean and Spanish cookbooks have not been indexed yet. On the flip side, I see Marcella Hazan, Mario Batali, Patricia Wells and Thomas Keller. Good stuff.

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          1. pitu Jan 4, 2010 11:45 AM

            wow, this has a lot of possibilities
            thx for posting!

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            1. pitu Jan 4, 2010 11:53 AM

              In a sort of related cookbook organizing matter...
              has anyone found an iPhone scanner app that reads the barcodes of your books? I keep seeing them for grocery items with barcodes, and think it would be tremendous to organize my library with a scanner in hand to do the data input. The database must exist (libraries, booksellers) - how do we access it?

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                JaneEYB Jan 4, 2010 03:32 PM

                I'm a member of LibraryThing where you can catalog your books (and engage in chat and networking with intelligent book lovers) and they have a CueCat scanner that does exactly what you want. It's not an iPhone app but plugs directly into your computer through an ISB port. It costs $15 which is probably worth it if you have a lot of books to enter.

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                  pitu Jan 5, 2010 08:29 AM

                  Thanks, I'll check that service out. I feel like an iPhone app must be just around the corner...Walmart apparently put one out that only lists the books they sell!

                  Does Eat Your Books allow more than one ingredient per search? I'm going to wait to sign up until I have time to enter my books, etc

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                    The Dairy Queen Jan 5, 2010 08:33 AM

                    pitu--I'm in your same shoes, waiting to sign up until I really have time to play with it. I think the first 4 months of 2010 are soooo hectic for me.

                    ~TDQ

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                      beetlebug Jan 5, 2010 09:01 AM

                      It looks like only one ingredient per search. I'm a bit surprised because I had seen recipes using multiple ingredients that I had on hand. However, I think it's because when the results come up, it shows the other ingredients that you need. I must have skimmed it and didn't think of how I did the search.

                      Here is an example of one result for parsnips. It caught my eye because I also have a lot of turnips to use.

                      Turnip-parsnip gratin with prunes

                      From Sunday Suppers at Lucques: Seasonal Recipes From Market to Table by Suzanne Goin , Teri Gelber
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                      Ingredients: cream - heavy; parsnips; prunes - dried; thyme; turnips

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                        The Dairy Queen Jan 5, 2010 11:13 AM

                        beetlebug, I hate to ask, but what happens when you type in carrots. Chaos?

                        ~TDQ

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                          beetlebug Jan 5, 2010 11:51 AM

                          re: a carrot search.

                          Out of my 22 books and 4,565, the search gave me 406 recipes. However, some of the recipes aren't carrot dishes, but if it uses carrot as an ingredient. An example is from Patricia Wells, Bistro Cooking (this month's COTM) lists Alsatian mixed-meat stew as a carrot option.

                          In the EYB library, a carrot search brings up 15,683 recipes. Eeks.

                          But, if you want a great carrot recipe, try this. I've made it 3 times since Thanksgiving. It's the only carrot dish that C is asking for these days.

                          http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/foo...

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                            The Dairy Queen Jan 5, 2010 12:02 PM

                            You know, 406 recipes isn't that overwhelming. (I was worried that you'd get a bazillion hits, rendering it practically useless for a common ingredient like carrots), but I suppose I could scan (with my eyeball) 406 recipe titles to find one to choose from if I were looking for a reason to use carrots.

                            And, thank you for the link to the recipe! I do actually have an overload of carrots, so (and shallots, and sage, ...) so, I think I will jump on that one. Don't you love recipes that call for ingredients that appear in the same season as the others? I hate the ones that call for beets and aspargus or some such...

                            So, of all of your cookbooks, only 22 were in their database? Or, have you just not finished inputting the rest of your books? (apologies if you answered this question upthread...)

                            ~TDQ

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                              beetlebug Jan 5, 2010 01:28 PM

                              I only inputed those 22 books, one of which is a library book, this month's COTM. These are the 22 that I either 1) use a lot or 2) want to use more (like Marcella's book). All the books I entered, only 3 lacked indexes, but they were still listed in the master database. 1 book, the Green Gourmet book is listed as waiting to be indexed so I expect that book will be uploaded soon.

                              I do have a bunch of cookbooks behind these 22 books (spread over 2 small shelves). I really should just chuck them because 1) I've never really re-visited them after the initial look and 2) if I open up space, then I can acquire more books. But, I probably have no more than 20 books back there. But I'll probably input a few more (like Rosie's Bakery book) but it's more due to laziness since I have to remove the front cookbooks to look at the back ones.

                              I don't own that many cookbooks because I have really limited space. Most COTMs, I borrow from the library. If I love it, I'll buy it but before I can buy, I have to make sure there is shelf space.

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                                The Dairy Queen Jan 6, 2010 09:52 AM

                                Thanks for the info! It's nice to feel like you're getting good use out of the cookbooks you actually own!

                                ~TDQ

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                                  just_M Jan 15, 2010 02:52 PM

                                  beetlebug; I don't know if your library does this but mine takes donated books and videos left in the book depository and sells them in a little alcove run by the friends of the library, as well as their biannual sale. This helps keep the worst of my hoarding tendencies in check :->

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                      karykat Jan 5, 2010 09:45 AM

                      I sold a lot of books last fall at a yard sale (as TDQ knows!) and a book buyer came along and bought a whole bunch of them. About 100 books. And he was scanning the books with this little gizmo as he selected them. Very impressive. I hadn't thought about the way I could use such a thing to organize my own books. Intriguing.

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                        The Dairy Queen Jan 5, 2010 11:15 AM

                        I do indeed know! One gal's yard-sale is another (grateful) gal's gain!

                        I hate to be dense, but I still don't understand what this scanning gizmo does. I mean, I understand it reads the bar code, but don't you have to hook it up to a specific software that reads it and connects it with EYB or something? JaneEYB says LibraryThing has a gizmo, but does the gizmo work equally well with EYB?

                        What am I missing?

                        ~TDQ

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                          karykat Jan 5, 2010 12:39 PM

                          This probably doesn't answer your question, but I assumed that my techno-buyer was simply creating a list of his inventory.

                          Perhaps more than that?

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                            The Dairy Queen Jan 5, 2010 12:54 PM

                            That's what I'm thinking, too. I'm just wondering how that's going to help anyone enter their books into a software like EYB?

                            ~TDQ

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                      sparkareno Jan 4, 2010 03:22 PM

                      Very interesting. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Now if I could only find a way to organize all the scraps of paper with recipes on them that have taken over my house. I like this though--may give it a free trial.

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                        cookg Jan 19, 2010 09:00 AM

                        Try this site! I just joined and am trying it out. I've installed the browser button and have linked to a few of my often visited recipes on the web. You can also input your own recipes although I have tried that, and found it to be a bit time consuming (no good way to cut and paste). If you use / print out a lot of recipes they support, it seems worth the time investment.

                        http://www.plummelo.com/

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                          karykat Jan 19, 2010 09:49 AM

                          It doesn't look like there's a charge for this. Is that right? Think there will be (after you enter all your recipes?) Not to be paranoid.

                          It looks helpful. I have been saving recipes to the delicious site and that allows simple searches. This looks more sophisticated. Plus the access to your own recipes if you do enter them. Or shortened versions of favorite recipes from books?

                          I very much like the capabilities of the eatmybooks site but am not wanting to take on the monthly fee at this point. But bravo to both sites.

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                            The Dairy Queen Jan 19, 2010 09:51 AM

                            karykat, just a small point of clarification. I think the fee at EYB is a single, lifetime payment of $50, per the OP. I don't know what "limited" means, but I don't think it means monthly, at least for the immediate term.

                            ~TDQ

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                              beetlebug Jan 19, 2010 11:35 AM

                              I did the lifetime payment of $50. But, if you choose not to, it appears to be $25 for the year, not month.

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                                karykat Jan 19, 2010 12:02 PM

                                Oh, I thought it was $50 per year.
                                Which would be more than I want to pay.
                                This may change the picture for me.

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                                  nomadchowwoman Jan 19, 2010 12:05 PM

                                  Beetlebug is right: $25/yr and $50/lifetime.

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                      2. yamalam Jan 4, 2010 03:40 PM

                        Very cool, just signed up for the trial, entered all my books and searched for chickpeas. I have 27 books and 7014 recipes, wow! The results page for my chickpea search lists 31 recipes and summarizes the main ingredients in each. I am going to make Chickpeas with Arugula and Sherry tonight, from a Nigella Lawson book I never use.

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                          blue room Jan 5, 2010 09:17 AM

                          yamalam, I wonder how much time you just saved yourself, how many new ideas you've been exposed to effortlessly, and a new recipe to boot!

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                        2. nomadchowwoman Jan 4, 2010 07:39 PM

                          Thank you. I spent a few hours today, after taking advantage of the free 30-day trial membership, entering 100 titles. Just over half were already indexed, mostly pretty popular ones, but I am impressed. This will be a big help.

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                          1. beetlebug Jan 5, 2010 07:41 AM

                            I've been playing this a bit more, and it really is a clever tool.

                            The "evil" thing is that you can type an ingredient into their master database so you can get a list of all the recipes that has that ingredient. You can also type a cookbook in (that you don't own) and it will give you a list of all the recipes in there. I say it's evil because this won't help people with cookbook addictions. It just enables the habit.

                            Right now I have 22 cookbooks inputted and 4,565 recipes. I suspect the number of recipes will go up when they finish indexing the Green Gourmet cookbook.

                            For dinner tonight, I want to use up red cabbage. Thanks to the site, I'll be making red cabbage with sausages from Marcella Hazan's, Essentials of Italian Cooking. As much as I like this cookbook, I don't naturally gravitate towards it but it's a perfect use of the cabbage and will fit this cold, wintery night.

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                              beetlebug Jan 5, 2010 07:44 AM

                              Also, members can rate recipes so you'll have a good idea whether or not the recipe works. Not sure if you can read comments about the recipe yet, but there is a space to input your own comments. The questions is whether you have to have a public profile to publish comments or if these are just personal comments. I haven't gotten that far in my explorations. Since the site is still new, there aren't a lot of ratings. But, in time...

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                                yamalam Jan 5, 2010 04:34 PM

                                Regarding the recipe ratings- you can sort your search results by member ratings, kind of like Epicurious, which is cool.

                                Also, you can search by preparation method as well as ingredient. I searched for "duck" and found 61 recipes amongst my cookbooks, and then narrowed that to "roast duck" and found 8 recipes.

                                I can't stop playing with this site, as if I didn't spend enough of my day on Chow, geez.

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                                  The Dairy Queen Jan 5, 2010 04:43 PM

                                  Oh, that is very cool!

                                  ~TDQ

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                                    beetlebug Jan 5, 2010 05:06 PM

                                    The advanced search feature is really nifty. Not only can you add multiple ingredients (sorry for the earlier mis-information), but you can also add ingredients that you don't want in there. Great for people with food allergies or dislikes.

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                                  The Dairy Queen Jan 5, 2010 07:46 AM

                                  I agree about the "evil" feature, for those of us with cookbook addictions. Let's say you just loved specialized ingredient X and wish you had more books with recipes that featured that ingredient. Well, you could search the site for recipes with ingredient X forom even the books you don't have, thereby identifying new books to buy to add to your collection.

                                  My biggest issue here is that there will always be books in my collection that aren't in the database. It's going to be those quirky, obscure cookbooks that you have. EYB is clearly doing a great job of staying on top of the high-end acclaimed and popular books, but it's those quirky ones that are left behind.

                                  For instance (and don't hate me) but I have an extensive collection of Weight Watchers Cookbooks. My guess is those are the kind of books that will never be in the database...

                                  Also, foreign books, like Ottolenghi, etc.

                                  Does EYB have a "my books" feature, perhaps, where you can index your own obscure books for your own purpose or maybe those loose recipes you clip from the newspaper etc? If there was a way to do that, then it would really be robust.

                                  ~TDQ

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                                    beetlebug Jan 5, 2010 08:12 AM

                                    re: indexing the obscure cookbooks. This was under FAQ.

                                    How can I get my cookbooks indexed faster?
                                    Sometimes less-requested cookbooks may take a while to get to the top of the indexing pile. Or, if you are the only person who requested it, it may never get indexed. If you would like to index your own cookbooks, please click on Contact Us and volunteer. We will love you for ever!

                                    As for the non-cookbook recipes, I don't know the answer but you can always email them and suggest it.

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                                      The Dairy Queen Jan 5, 2010 08:28 AM

                                      Oh, I missed that, thank you.

                                      ~TDQ

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                                        The Dairy Queen Jan 5, 2010 08:40 AM

                                        Although, let's be honest (who am I kidding?), I'm not really going to index all 40 or so of my obscure cookbooks...

                                        ~TDQ

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                                        smtucker Jan 5, 2010 11:52 AM

                                        I am fascinated by this site, just based on this thread. You know, we could have an "index of the month" club where we assemble a volunteer group to index some of the "quirky" books that we own. Much like COTM, we could vote on a book to index, and divide up the sections. Not sure how much our "quirky" books would overlap, which could be an obstacle to success.

                                        After all, "Forever Love" is hard to find.

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                                          The Dairy Queen Jan 5, 2010 12:05 PM

                                          That's kind of a cool idea. Especially if it's a COTM, which means most of us will be using it...

                                          ~TDQ

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                                            JaneEYB Jan 5, 2010 02:56 PM

                                            I love this thread - this is the first one where everyone asks intelligent questions. And you all are fellow cookbook addicts so you completely get the concept of EYB. Answering all the questions you have raised today:

                                            We aren't yet able to import book data to EYB using the CueCat scanner or import from other cataloging sites such as LibraryThing but we are hoping to add that feature in the next month or so. We are also adding the facility to add more obscure books to your Bookshelf by linking up with another online book reseller, who will have a better selection of older and out-of-print cookbooks that aren't stocked by Jessica's Biscuit (who supply our book data).

                                            We are also planning to add the ability to enter your own personal recipes - family recipes, clippings, etc that only you have access to (effectively creating your own private cookbook). At the moment if someone wants to index their own cookbooks (as some members with more obscure books are doing) then I have to email them the database which isn't ideal as we expand. So we are planning on creating a member inputting facility on the website. Love the idea of an Index of the Month club - though we have indexed practically all of the COTM so far. Also Dairy Queen, as EYB grows there will be more members with your obscure books so hopefully someone else will do some of your 40.

                                            Absolutely you can search with multiple ingredients. Just use Advanced search rather than Quick search - just click on Add more next to the ingredients box. I always use Advanced search as there are so many more options. So if you get too many carrot recipes in your search results you can refine your search to be side dish, soup, main dish, salad or whatever you want. Or if you just want recipes where carrot is the main ingredient then enter carrot in the recipe name.

                                            The comments you post are available for all members to see - the idea is to share your experiences of books and recipes. There aren't very many up yet as we have only recently launched - so please post your comments! We do want to add a feature where you could enter your own personal comments (e.g. MIL loves this) that only you would see.

                                            Hope this all helps and thank you so much for all your interest in EYB.

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                                              The Dairy Queen Jan 6, 2010 09:54 AM

                                              Thanks for all of the info!

                                              ~TDQ

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                                    Beckyleach Jan 7, 2010 11:03 AM

                                    I just started tinkering with this, and was disappointed to find so much emphasis on NEW cookbooks. I have very many older books (by "old" in this case, I merely mean bought within the past 25 years) that certainly would be considered either "classics" or "recommended" but they not only aren't indexed, in many cases they don't exist. :-(

                                    Some really surprising gaps: very few Edna Lewis, no Bert Greene at all, virtually no older Beard classics...and seminal series like the Time-Life Foods of the World (with contributions by Craig Claiborne, MFK Fisher, James Beard, etc.) are missing all together. One of Mark Bittman's top 100 cookbooks of all time--The Old World Kitchen, by Luard--can't be found at all, either.

                                    Now, I realize things are just off and running, but I do hope the website folks plan to not just promote new books (and encourage purchase of same, from their links to Jessica Biscuit) but gradually include those cookbooks most likely to be found in any broad collection of anyone who has been cooking for more than the past decade.

                                    Otherwise, I fear I'm going to gradually completely neglect my Old Favorites, as the indexing will always steer me to the new and to the as-yet un-purchased (and that could get really expensive ;-)

                                    But, it's a start...and an attractive one!

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                                      Beckyleach Jan 7, 2010 11:10 AM

                                      Oh, hey! Just saw the comment about indexing our own favorites, for the site. That's a great idea! I'll keep that in mind as I suffer through the long, Iowa winters trapped in the house.

                                      By the way, I've entered 98 books and have 20, 666 (hmmm... maybe I'd better enter another) recipes, so far.

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                                        nomadchowwoman Jan 7, 2010 06:15 PM

                                        Yes, Becky, I was surprised at some of the non-indexed books--especially my beloved Bert Greenes and even some of the Gourmet annuals--but they do seem to be making an effort to be pretty comprehensive (quite a feat). So far, the concept is very encouraging. I'll be able to assuage my cookbook-buyer's guilt and actually use some of these space hoggers--and find recipes without flipping through 8 or 10 books.
                                        I'm also in the 20K+ range on recipes; should keep me busy for a while.

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                                        mickeygee Jan 9, 2010 04:39 AM

                                        I too have started tinkering, because when I heard about this it came under the "Duh, that's a brilliant idea - why didn't I think of that". I tend to forget about my cookbooks because it takes so long to do searches when I;m in a rush. But anyway, here's what Ive found so far.

                                        Out of my collection of 40 cookbooks, 16 were indexed, and 7 were not found in the DB (the rest were in the DB, but not indexed). It's a mix between favorites and barely use ones pretty evenly and the request indexing option makes me feel good that one day my absolute favorite book will be indexed. Although, I know all the recipes in there so I guess the benefit comes from those barely used ones getting out of the closet a little.

                                        I got led down the path of thinking that I could search for a tag that was used in one cookbook and it would translate to all of them, but I realized that just because the "Complete Meat Cookbook" uses the tag "Good For A Crowd" doesn't mean that tag is automatically on EVERY one of the recipes. So searches still need to be a bit general by ingredients, but I like to believe eventually more catagories like that will develop with more people, more use, etc.

                                        So for now, I'm enjoying trying to make some sense of my library.

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                                        1. bayoucook Jan 9, 2010 04:52 AM

                                          How interesting! Gonna give this a trial.

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                                            phatpat Jan 15, 2010 07:11 AM

                                            This is a great concept, but there are several UI quirks that need to be worked out.

                                            -I would rather Search default to searching "my recipes" rather than "my cookbooks".
                                            -When you search for a cookbook, there's no clear way to add it to your bookshelf from the search results. You have to click on the cookbook, then click on the "add to bookshelf" button.
                                            -I can't figure out how to add a recipe to my "do later" list
                                            -It would be nice to be able to hide my cookbooks that are not indexed from my bookshelf. They really aren't doing me much good there.

                                            I hope they can work some these issues out, I have wanted something like this site for years!

                                            Update: I made that second point up, I guess. There's an "add to bookshelf" button for all selected items under the search results

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                                              JaneEYB Jan 15, 2010 11:13 AM

                                              I've been told off (in the nicest way) for being too promotional so I'll keep this strictly factual.
                                              1. Agree and is being fixed.
                                              2. You resolved yourself.
                                              3. From recipe search results, tick box and click Do Later in green bar at top.
                                              4. You need all your books on your Bookshelf so when they are indexed the recipes get added to your searches. But agree you should be able to just see indexed books. It's added to our To Do list.

                                              If anyone has questions about EYB it may be better to contact me direct at the website so I can quickly help you.

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                                                Beckyleach Jan 18, 2010 09:13 AM

                                                Yay! I was ticked at having the default be "my books" as well. Just call me lazy. ;-)

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                                            2. mirage Jan 19, 2010 04:12 AM

                                              I've been playing around with this site the last few days. I've added 170 cookbooks to my site. I have another 33 cookbooks they don't seem to recognize exist at all, notably Ottolenghi and The Last Course. I haven't been able to figure out how to request those be added to my bookshelf, if not indexed. Regardless, I love this new tool!!!

                                              Last night, I was finishing making our main course and realized that I had no veggies in the house (I know, I know) except celery, and I didn't have time to braise it. A quick scan of my recipes and I found a great celery and apple salad in an underused cookbook (Crescent City). I doubt I would have looked in that book for a celery recipe. The search and decision took moments. Waaaayyy less time than rifling through my recipe cards and cookbooks.

                                              I think I'm hooked!

                                              Thank you, beetlebug, for bringing this to our attention!

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                                                karykat Jan 19, 2010 09:52 AM

                                                Very cool. It does sound like a great way to access overlooked (and favorite) recipes from books.

                                                And keep us informed on good things from the Crescent City book. That one is underused in my collection too. Have made only one thing from it (which was great.)

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                                                  beetlebug Jan 19, 2010 11:35 AM

                                                  There is a contact link on the bottom of the site. I think you should just email them with the cookbooks that aren't in their library.

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                                                    ElenaRose Jan 19, 2010 01:26 PM

                                                    I actually emailed them about this, they responded that they get all their book information from Jessica's Biscuit. This means if Jessica's Biscuit doesn't sell it, it won't show up on the site. They acknowledged this is a problem and they are working on a way for us to load our own books. I'm hoping this happens sooner rather than later. Probably not a bad idea to email them about this though so they know others are having the same issue...

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                                                  2. LulusMom May 24, 2010 02:09 PM

                                                    Somehow only just found this post (thank you JoanN, for mentioning it in a different post) and boy, am I excited. Before Lulu was born I was in the middle of a project of databasing all my cookbooks/recipes, but boy, was it time consuming. I no longer have that kind of time on my hands, and this sounds amazing. I'll be signing up once things calm down around here. Thanks to beetlebug too, for bringing this to our attention. WOW.

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                                                      The Dairy Queen May 24, 2010 02:20 PM

                                                      It is pretty awesome. I'm still playing around with this. I estimate that only about 80% of my cookbooks are in their database and, of those, only about half are indexed (you can only search the indexed books for recipes). Still, pretty helpful and fun to play with.

                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                    2. pitu May 25, 2010 07:55 AM

                                                      Glad this post popped to the top again -- I was just trying to recall the name of the site.
                                                      : )
                                                      How are people's experiences of this database, now that you're 5 months in?

                                                      AND is there a library-focused book barcode scanner app for iPhone yet? There's plenty of shopping ones...

                                                      just read this on the EYB site:
                                                      "A new feature you may have noticed is an addition to the navigation column - Import Books. It is now possible to paste lists of ISBNs into the Import Box and within seconds your books are uploaded, up to 500 at a time. This is incredibly useful if you have your books already listed in some digital format - if not you might want to think about investing in a barcode scanner. Jane has never got round to cataloguing all her books on EYB and with this device it took her just a few minutes to add 100 more books. "

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                                                        JoanN Jun 5, 2010 01:05 PM

                                                        I just signed up a couple of weeks ago and have only input about half my books so far (although I've input nearly all of my newer books and I suspect that many of the ones I have left to go won't be in their database; we'll see). I've only put it to the test once so far, but I was thrilled that it found a terrific recipe from a book I'd never used before to use up something in the fridge that I didn't want to go to waste. A few experiences like that and the $50 lifetime fee begins to look like a real deal.

                                                        Don't know how many cookbooks you have. After a recent culling, I'd guess I have about 250. I started adding books to my list by typing in the titles, but found using ISBNs much more efficient. By the time you take the book off the shelf, find the ISBN, and scan it, I'm not sure it saves so much more time than if you just type it in. I found that typing the ISBNs in one after the other went very quickly and I didn't have to ponder which edition (hello Joy of Cooking?) I was trying to enter.

                                                        I'm too new to the site to be intimate with it. But I've already found both Beetlebug's and Gio's libraries. (Fair disclosure, I'm jbn.) And you can search not only in your own library but in friends' libraries. Is there some way, would it even be allowed, if those of us who know each other through Chowhound could share our cookbook lists on EatYourBooks so that if I were looking for a calamari recipe that was in one of Gio's books I could get in touch with her and ask her for it? Am I opening a can of worms here? The idea is seriously intriguing to me. We could expand our libraries without having to make space for more books. I have no more space for more books!

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                                                          The Dairy Queen Jun 5, 2010 01:26 PM

                                                          I, too, am still in my EYB trial phase (I'm completely obsessed), but, already, I have cooked from two books that I have never cooked from before. One book I've had about six months; the other was given to me as a gift about 5 years ago that I thought was so completely boring that I never even opened it (but felt too emotionally attached to to get rid of.) I was pleasantly surprised by the recipe from the second book!

                                                          Yesterday, EYB increased its cookbook "inventory" to about 76,000 (from about 16,000). (I was obsessively checking throughout the day yesterday). So, if you had a bunch of books that weren't in EYB's inventory, they might be now. Of course, the number of books that they've INDEXED is about the same (1,100 or 1,200). I found most of my books among the 76,000, and added the ISBN's for the 6 or 7 that weren't in there using the "import" feature.

                                                          I still have 20-30 books that I'm not able to put into their system: mostly Weight Watchers books or older books that don't seem to have ISBN's.

                                                          I have gone through my entire house and added all of my books to EYB. I have purchased some green 1/4'' Avery "dots" labels and have marked every book (on the spine) that has been indexed by EYB with a green dot. The books that don't have ISBN's and will never be in their system I have marked with red dots. The remainder, which are in EYB's system but aren't indexed, are undotted. I can add green dots to them if/when they are finally indexed. (They maintain a list of the 100 most recently indexed books, which I plan to make a habit of scanning once a week or so.) If I'm on the hunt for a recipe, I know I have to "manually" check all of the undotted and red books.

                                                          Your friend idea is intriguing. I was trying to figure out the benefit of their friend feature, but, now that you point it out, I get it!

                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                            JoanN Jun 5, 2010 01:41 PM

                                                            Oh my goodness, TDQ. I'll never be that organized. No matter how long I live. I can't even remember any more (and it's only been two weeks!) which books I tried to input and were rejected but might now be in the database. How stupid of me not to have kept track. But I didn't.

                                                            The friend idea is indeed intriguing, isn't it. So are you going to fess up? What's your user name? Don't want to post it here? Send me an e-mail.

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                                                              The Dairy Queen Jun 5, 2010 01:54 PM

                                                              Yeah, I wish I'd kept track of which books were in their system and which were not as I'd added them. If I were to do it again, I would have input everything via "import" (ie., ISBN) and then "green" dotted the ones that were in as I went along. What I did do AFTER the fact is print out my EYB"bookshelf" and go around my house and green dot my books.

                                                              ~TDQ

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                                                                JoanN Jun 5, 2010 02:03 PM

                                                                Oooh. Good idea. Didn't even know you could do that. Next stinkin' hot day when I'm looking for an excuse not to leave the apartment. Thanks.

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                                                                  The Dairy Queen Jun 5, 2010 02:16 PM

                                                                  P.S. check your email.

                                                                  ~TDQ

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                                                              flourgirl Jun 6, 2010 08:03 AM

                                                              What a fabulous idea!!! Thank you so much!

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                                                                The Dairy Queen Jun 6, 2010 08:45 AM

                                                                Oh, I know my wacky system might not work for EVERYONE but if you, like me, find yourself staring at your shelves trying to remember which books are indexed and which aren't, well, this is an easy way to do it. My only regret is that I didn't start off that way, but better late than never, I figure.

                                                                ~TDQ

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                                                                  smtucker Jun 6, 2010 08:47 AM

                                                                  I think this is a very clever way to manage the index issue. Multi-color dots are now on my Staples to-buy list.

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                                                              beetlebug Jun 7, 2010 06:44 AM

                                                              Wow, I am so incredibly lame. I've only used to the site to do ingredient searches. Get in, get out. I never even noticed the friends' cookbook lists or any of the other features. I now love the "do later" function as well as the "menu planning" one.

                                                              I didn't see how you can search for friends. I only saw the invite function. I'm more than willing to share my extremely small library (31 books, I think) with others.

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                                                                JoanN Jun 7, 2010 09:12 AM

                                                                I haven't looked yet at the "do later" function. What is it that you're doing later? Haven't had an opportunity yet to try the menu planning function either. So far it's been just single ingredient searches.

                                                                I stumbled across the friends' cookbook lists entirely by accident when I became intrigued by the button that says something like "how many other people have this book in their library?" I kept looking for books that no one else had--which isn't easy when some of those people have well over a thousand cookbooks.

                                                                I'd be willing to bet that at some point EYB will have some kind of recipe swap board on their forum where you can ask people for a recipe from a book that they have that you don't. Then again, since they want to sell books, perhaps not. Although if COTM is any indication, being able to ask someone for a recipe doesn't seem to be a cookbook buying deterrent for us.

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                                                                  beetlebug Jun 7, 2010 09:23 AM

                                                                  The "do later" is when I am trying to be efficient. This is when I have a couple of miscellaneous ingredients to use but the two don't match in the recipes. So, I'll do a search for one of the ingredients (in this case, kalamata olives). 45 recipes come up, but about 9 look good to me. I click on those 9 and file it under do later. This way, tomorrow or the next day, when I'm ready to use those olives, I just go under "do later" and see which recipe appeals to me.

                                                                  I haven't really used the menu planning yet, but I've made pretend menus for ingredients that I'm trying to use up to see if any of the recipes work together. But, I'm sure it will come in handy for summer dinner parties with CSA and farmer's markets bounty.

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                                                                    The Dairy Queen Jun 7, 2010 10:56 AM

                                                                    WOOHOO! I just looked at the listing of the 100 books that they've just recently indexed and Ottolonghi (and one other book on my "bookshelf") is on the list. Green dot! Green dot!

                                                                    RE: the menu planning and shopping list features, I've been using the menu planning feature, but mostly just to generate a shopping list. Well, I've used it once (or maybe twice). The one caution I'll note about the "shopping list" is that it may not be sufficiently specific on very specialized or ethnic ingredients. I chose a recipe out of Mai Pham's Flavors of Asia one morning before work. Later that day, before I left the office, I looked up the recipe on EYB. According to EYB, the ingredients are : Ingredients: oil - chile; noodles - soba; sprouts - mung bean; lettuce - iceberg; onions - green; ginger - fresh; peanut butter spread; sesame seeds; soy sauce; vinegar - rice; chile powder; oil - sesame

                                                                    I can't remember whether it was the soy sauce or the chile oil or both, but my recollection was that whatever it was, EYB wasn't sufficiently specific about the exact kind of soy sauce and/or chile oil. It wasn't until I got home and looked up the recipe to prepare the dish that I realized I didn't have the exact right ingredients. Next time, I would exercise extra caution for Asian dishes.

                                                                    The menu planning feature is pretty handy, though, while you're searching through recipes for something to cook. I add any recipe that it a "maybe" to my menu while I'm trying to hone in on a specific recipe. Once I've decide, perhaps after consulting the cookbook, I just delete the extraneous ones from my "menu."

                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                    The Dairy Queen Jun 7, 2010 09:41 AM

                                                                    I've been marking "Gourmet Today" recipes "do later" on EYB when other COTM'ers report really liking a recipe and it sounds like one I would be interested in...

                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                      JoanN Jun 7, 2010 10:15 AM

                                                                      Wow. Great ideas, bb (LOL, I've had half a jar of Kalamata olives for ages that keep getting lost in the back.) & TDQ. Had no idea you could do either of those things.

                                                                      My COTM books are all full of scraps of paper and post-it notes listing recipes others have raved about that I've been meaning to try. I even started some kind of database once, but I've never been consistent either about the method or keeping track. Gonna go try this right now.

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                                                                        beetlebug Jun 7, 2010 10:53 AM

                                                                        @TDQ - love the idea of putting COTM recipes under the "do later" category.

                                                                        @JoanN - one kalamata recipe that caught my eye was the carrot puree and kalamata olives in the Gourmet Today book. I'm just waiting for my CSA carrots to come in.

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                                                                    pitu Aug 24, 2010 04:37 PM

                                                                    Okay, I'm in. For trial anyway...likely life...

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                                                                    Gio Jun 11, 2010 01:27 PM

                                                                    Hi Joan.., I've returned to reading this thread after a couple of weeks and see that you've said you "found both Bettlebug's and Gio's libraries." I'm just curious here... how is that possible? I haven't joined EYB yet...but I'm considering it. I haven't uploaded any of my books to the site. I do buy from Jessic'as frequently, though. Is that where my "library" came from? But then how would my Gio name appear since I use my real name at Jessica's? Very Curious. Or am I just dense?

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                                                                      The Dairy Queen Jun 11, 2010 01:44 PM

                                                                      For what it's worth, I found beetlebug's and JoanN's libraries, but not yours, Gio.

                                                                      But, if you can swing the membership fee and you have a lot of cookbooks (and I'm guessing you do), I really recommend this site. It's such a great way to search in your books for recipes. I've already found (and cooked from) recipes in books I own but have never used. I know you have a fabulous system ("the Gio system", I call it) for marking recipes you want to try and recipes you have tried in your book, but this one is still pretty slick. It also enables you to keep notes about recipes you want to try and have tried.

                                                                      Also, it's a great way to "look" at the recipes in a book you might be interested in. For instance, for this month's COTM nominations, I'm able to pull up the book on EYB and see the recipes in the book and the ingredients each of those recipes calls for.

                                                                      The biggest drawback of EYB is that it is unlikely that all of your books will be "indexed", (indexed means they've made an inventory of all of the recipes and the ingredients those recipes call for) which means that you're still going to need to use the Gio method for the "unindexed" books. Also, there's no system for tracking other sources of recipes (the ones you get from your neighbor or tear out of your newspaper, etc.) Still, it does help you get more use out of books you own.

                                                                      (Just as a point of comparison, about half of my cookbooks are "indexed.")

                                                                      The 30 day trial period is free, so, you can play with it and see what you think.

                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                        Gio Jun 11, 2010 02:10 PM

                                                                        Thanks TDQ. Brilliant description as usual. I did just sign up for the free trial. Not as Gio, though. I'll let you know if I continue with the lifetime membership. These days I don't buy green bananas....

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                                                                        JoanN Jun 11, 2010 01:46 PM

                                                                        You're not dense in the least. The crash you heard in the background was me jumping to conclusions. And really. I'm getting too old to jump.

                                                                        There's a member whose user name is Giovanna and who, at quick glance, seems to have nearly every single COTM practically since inception. When I first looked at her list I was certain it must be you. Now that I look more closely--and have more of my own books added to the database--I realize there are books you've said you're very fond of (Ed Giobbi?) that aren't on Giovanna's list. If I'd looked more closely I would have seen that.

                                                                        My apologies.

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                                                                          Gio Jun 11, 2010 02:07 PM

                                                                          That's OK, Joan, no apologies necessary. Sorry for that crash, though. The funny thing is Giovanna Is my name and the name I originally put on my profile page here. (I do use an "American" name which is a direct translation.)

                                                                          I just signed up for the 30 day trial. We'll see how that goes.

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                                                                  5. JoanN Jun 9, 2010 07:23 PM

                                                                    This Web site is beginning to become revelatory. It’s changing the way I decide what to cook.

                                                                    The other day one of our street produce vendors had a deal on blueberries. I bought a couple of quarts thinking jam. Looked up blueberry jam in all my usual suspects by thumbing through the indexes as I have for years. Nothing special in any of those sources. Decided to check EAB. In a book I would never have thought to look in for a recipe for blueberry jam was a recipe that looked very appealing. I made it, and it was appealing indeed.

                                                                    The evening before I wanted to make something with spinach. Wouldn’t usually even bother to look up a recipe but just for kicks I checked EYB. Found a slightly different take in a book I practically never look at that turned out to be just what it was that I needed that evening.

                                                                    This site is giving me far more options than I would have found by just hauling a dozen or so books off the shelf and looking for ideas.

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                                                                      The Dairy Queen Jun 10, 2010 04:33 AM

                                                                      Kind of funny, isn't it?

                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                        mirage Jun 10, 2010 05:38 AM

                                                                        My experience exactly. Thanks again to beetlebug for finding this for us!

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                                                                          Rubee Jul 1, 2010 03:11 PM

                                                                          "This site is giving me far more options than I would have found by just hauling a dozen or so books off the shelf and looking for ideas." Yep, me too.

                                                                          I just joined this week FINALLY and especially like finding recipes in my less-used books (or ones I had forgotten I had).

                                                                          DQ - how do you find people? So far, just found BB. I'm under Rubee.

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                                                                            The Dairy Queen Jul 1, 2010 04:08 PM

                                                                            To find people what I do is search the EYB library for a book I think most of us have. Bon Appetit Y'all or Gourmet Today, etc. Click on the title of the book to bring the book info up and you'll have a ribbon of choices:

                                                                            RecipesBook , Detail, Ratings & Comments, Other Bookshelves

                                                                            Click on "other bookshelves" and you'll see the names of people who have that book on their shelves. Then, you can click on their name and see what else is on their shelf.

                                                                            ~TDQ

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                                                                              Rubee Jul 1, 2010 04:34 PM

                                                                              Ahh. You're so smart ; )

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                                                                                The Dairy Queen Jul 1, 2010 05:10 PM

                                                                                No, JoanN told me how! She's smart!

                                                                                ~TDQ

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                                                                                LulusMom Jul 8, 2010 01:55 PM

                                                                                So are most people using their chowhound names? I see that Gio isn't (and thanks for telling us your EYB name Gio).

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                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Jul 8, 2010 02:05 PM

                                                                                  I'm not, but if you drop me an email, I'm happy to let you know what name I am using. Just make sure you indentify yourself in your email.

                                                                                  I didn't think it would be that interesting to see what books are on people's lists, but, it actually is. Even the lists of total strangers! What's interesting is that the lists are sorted in order of the person who has the most books in common with you. Now, there's one person who has 1400 books or something, so, s/he probably has every book I have. But I do enjoy looking at the lists some of the people who have a lot of books in common with me whose collections are about the same size as mine. You think, oh, if they like A, B, and C (which are favorites of mine), and they like D, then maybe I might like D and should think about getting a copy.

                                                                                  ~TDQ

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                                                                                    LulusMom Jul 8, 2010 02:11 PM

                                                                                    Oh, that sounds SO fun. I've just been too crazy to start it yet, but maybe (hope springs eternal) tomorrow? Anyway, husband gets back Sunday afternoon, so next week for sure. Thanks for the info.

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                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Jul 8, 2010 02:15 PM

                                                                                      It's weirdly fun.

                                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                                        mebby Jul 8, 2010 02:57 PM

                                                                                        OK, all this enthusiasm got me curious...plus it was a good diversion from the work I'm supposed to be doing right now. Just signed up for 30-day trial. I input about 25 books -- took 30-45 minutes -- and on a couple experimental recipe searches I found some great ideas. I don't have anywhere near the collection that most of you have, but still seems pretty darn useful to me. Also, very few books that I was interested in were NOT there and those that were mostly already had a request to be indexed.

                                                                                        I will say that I found aspects of their search function and UI irritating (over-reliance on Flash IMHO) and not as intuitive as it could be. But lots of great features that compensate for relatively minor irritants (although I do really dislike a site that doesn't allow you to hit return to trigger a form submit, but possibly a pet peeve).

                                                                                        Bottom line -- if for the cost of basically one cookbook each year ($25), it allows you to more thoroughly use all the ones you already own, seems like a pretty worthwhile investment to me.

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                                                                                          JoanN Jul 8, 2010 03:05 PM

                                                                                          There are indeed irritants with the search function. They could take a lesson from Epicurious advanced search. But this is a very new Website, the owners/originators seems to be being very responsive to requests for added features, and they seem to be doing as much as they can as quickly as they can afford it--all very good signs for what is still essentially a start-up operation. Let's wait and see if CNET buys it and then we can complain about how great it used to be.

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                                                                                            mebby Jul 8, 2010 03:16 PM

                                                                                            Absolutely -- and many of the minor irritants mentioned upthread have already been addressed, so kudos to them. My irritant is more so with web developers who like to add bells and whistles because they're more fun and great UI just isn't sexy (which may or may not be the case here, but I have experienced many times). I am impressed with what they have been able to do as a start-up, however (and LOL on the post-CNET buy nostalgia!).

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                                                                                              LulusMom Jul 8, 2010 03:56 PM

                                                                                              Feeling stupid here ... what is UI?

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                                                                                                miss louella Jul 8, 2010 04:22 PM

                                                                                                UI is just techie shorthand--it stands for User Interface.

                                                                                                To keep this food related, you can think of recipes that sneak an ingredient into the instructions (and don't list them in the list) as having a crummy UI.

                                                                                                Yep, I was just burned by this one yesterday. :-)

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                                                                                                  LulusMom Jul 8, 2010 05:24 PM

                                                                                                  Thanks so much Miss Louella. I was feeling very out of it.

                                                                                                  Ew, I HATE when a recipe does that. Hope it didn't ruin it for you.

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                                                                                                    mebby Jul 8, 2010 06:47 PM

                                                                                                    Another analogy is that bad UI taken to its extreme is like using the best quality ingredients and slaving over a glorious sauce and then serving it with a poorly prepared, poor quality cut of meat. Master the basics first and then move on to the flourishes. BTW, I am not AT ALL implying that the minor irritations of EYB fall into this category --- I like it and, based on my oh-so-quick experience with it, think it would be well worth the investment and help most of us discover the treasures hiding in plain sight in our bookcases and kitchen shelves!

                                                                                                    SORRY -- my poor "edit" skills fall squarely in the camp of user error, as I haven't really edited a post before, but pretty funny when I'm having at others!

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                                                                                                      Gio Jul 9, 2010 07:47 AM

                                                                                                      UI, indeed. That describes the recipes in the two books we're cooking from on the COTM threads this month.

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                                                                                                        buttertart Jul 9, 2010 11:35 AM

                                                                                                        Underinspiring? ;-) Kidding, dear Gio...

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                                                                                                beetlebug Jul 8, 2010 03:45 PM

                                                                                                There should also be an option to sign up for a lifetime membership for $50. I thought that was a great deal.

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                                                                                                  JoanN Jul 8, 2010 03:57 PM

                                                                                                  And just in case, this far down in the thread, newcomers have forgotten who to thank for bringing this to our attention in the first place. . .

                                                                                                  Thank you beetlebug for finding this, checking it out, and recommending it . . . . Clearly a hit among the cookbook obsessives.

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                                                                                                    beetlebug Jul 8, 2010 04:49 PM

                                                                                                    :-)

                                                                                                    We're not obsessive at all. Just thorough.

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                                                                                                  LulusMom Jul 8, 2010 03:54 PM

                                                                                                  I also hate flash and boy, do I really hate sites that don't allow you to hit return for things. I'll have to check it out to make sure it isn't going to be something that drives me crazy more in a bad way than a good way.

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                                                                                                    beetlebug Jul 8, 2010 04:50 PM

                                                                                                    I've been able to hit return, but I think you need to hit return twice. When you first type in a ingredient, it "finds" it for you and gives you tons of options. You can scroll down and hit return, or just hit return twice for that specific ingredient. There is a slight delay.

                                                                                                    I've definitely logged in via the return key.

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                                                                                                      mebby Jul 8, 2010 06:56 PM

                                                                                                      I am a very impatient user and so used to hitting return after a form entry that I just kept doing it again. It would either go into a long spin cycle or just throw up a blank form in response. May be based on my system (Mac) or browser (Safari), but I do it on pretty much every site (as evidenced by the fact that I can't seem to make myself stop) and it almost always works.

                                                                                                      That said, LLM, it's irritating, but the benefits I think will really outweigh the minor inconvenience -- especially for you and others here with a much more extensive collection. Once I get used to it, I can hopefully stop stupidly hitting return!

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                                                                                  2. Gio Jul 8, 2010 12:22 PM

                                                                                    OK... I'm in. Just joined. I loved the trial membership so I'm going to love not having to slog through the COTM Archives or my book shelves. Yay Freedom!

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                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Jul 8, 2010 12:56 PM

                                                                                      I haven't been as good as I should be about inputting my recipe comments in EYB...Maybe I should try to be more diligent about that.

                                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                                        Gio Jul 8, 2010 01:20 PM

                                                                                        I really didn't add much info except the titles. Also, I could only add 73 books.. the others I have are not on their index. It Was interesting to see how many people have the same books. I noticed that a few folks have cookbooks in the thousands.
                                                                                        BTW: I'm JDP

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                                                                                          flourgirl Jul 8, 2010 01:30 PM

                                                                                          "cookbooks in the thousands"

                                                                                          Makes the hundreds I own sound like a small collection compared to that. And that's a good thing, since I often feel a tad self-indulgent about the size of my collection. Oh, but how I love them all...

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                                                                                            beetlebug Jul 8, 2010 04:54 PM

                                                                                            Makes the 31 books I own seem positively paltry. This will be a good way to show C that I don't have a crazy amount of cookbooks.

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                                                                                            The Dairy Queen Jul 8, 2010 01:34 PM

                                                                                            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/6778...

                                                                                            If you have a bunch of books that aren't indexed by EYB, you might consider employing my "dot" method for marking the books that have been indexed. That way, you know by looking at the books on your shelf which books you need to "manually" search if you're looking for a recipe.

                                                                                            Supposedly you can add the ISBN's of books that aren't in their system using their "import books" feature and they will go out, find the details of the book, and put it in their system. But, I did that with about 20 books about a month ago and have to say, I have checked a time or two and those books still don't seem to be in the system. Maybe it takes them awhile or maybe I did it wrong. I dont' know. Maybe I should check again.

                                                                                            Of course, just because a book is in their system, doesnt' mean it's indexed. But, I think you can still track some notes for that book using EYB, you just can't do it by recipe or, of course, search for recipes or by ingredient.

                                                                                            ~TDQ

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                                                                                              Gio Jul 8, 2010 02:18 PM

                                                                                              I'm so stupid I can't find their list of 79,000+ unindexed books... I'd probably find some of mine there.

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                                                                                                The Dairy Queen Jul 8, 2010 02:29 PM

                                                                                                It's not always as easy as it should be. For instance, sometimes the use the "The" in the title, and sometimes they don't. If you can't find a book by searching on its title, search on the authors name, or, even do an "advanced" search and search on the ISBN.

                                                                                                Or, just use the import books feature and type in all of your ISBNs. The software will tell you which ones you entered are in their collection and add those to your bookshelf. The others (that aren't in their collection) they are supposed to research and eventually add. My email address is in my profile if you have more questions. I'm hardly an expert, but I have played around with it a bit.

                                                                                                EDIT: PS. I am certain you are not stupid!

                                                                                                ~TDQ

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                                                                                                  Gio Jul 8, 2010 06:54 PM

                                                                                                  Ahhhh.... Thank you. I needed your PS just now

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                                                                                      2. LulusMom Jul 9, 2010 11:46 AM

                                                                                        Kind of PO'd at the site right now. I went on, figured I'd jump at the$50 lifetime membership while I had the chance, and put my credit card info in. Then realized it was paypal. For reasons I won't bore you with (they have to do with having used it once and $10,000 disappearing from my bank around the same time), i refuse to use paypal, so didn't hit confirm or anything and instead emailed them asking if, in fact, this was paypal or my credit card going to paypal or what. Instead I received a "you are confirmed" email back; I will be VERY angry if paypal now has my credit card info. Will let you know what I hear back from them.

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                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Jul 9, 2010 11:52 AM

                                                                                          I thought I was the only one who hated paypal. Glad to hear I am not alone. I don't think I was forced to use paypal to join EYB, so, hopefully, you weren't either.

                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                            nomadchowwoman Jul 9, 2010 02:18 PM

                                                                                            No, you're not alone. I hate Paypal. Had a horrid experience several years ago, which I couldn't get fixed, and hadn't used it since, until EYB; I was pretty much forced to use Paypal to join. Like LulusMom, I thought I had a choice, but before I realized it, I had opened a Paypal acct.

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                                                                                            Gio Jul 9, 2010 11:59 AM

                                                                                            I understood the option for payment is either PayPal or MC/Visa, et al. I've never had a problem with PP... sorry you did!

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                                                                                              LulusMom Jul 9, 2010 12:39 PM

                                                                                              Oh gosh, thanks so much ladies for letting me know. It was all very odd ... said something about "taking you to the paypal page" but then offering the choice to use your credit card. But somewhere in the middle of that I got nervous that they were giving paypal my info. And so I never clicked on confirm, and yet it confirmed me. As long as it was just my credit card, I'm a happy camper. Thanks for calming me down. Obviously my tough week has started to make me craaaaazeeeeee.

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                                                                                                LulusMom Jul 9, 2010 01:58 PM

                                                                                                Update: they've written back to me to let me know that paypal is all they take payment-wise.

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                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Jul 9, 2010 02:03 PM

                                                                                                  Huh. Apparently I used paypal to pay, then. Does that mean that you have already had your info go through paypal?

                                                                                                  ~TDQ

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                                                                                                    LulusMom Jul 9, 2010 02:21 PM

                                                                                                    I've asked her to verify that; right now she says "paypal has no record of you." I"m really pretty mad about it. They need to make it clearer.

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                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Jul 9, 2010 02:39 PM

                                                                                                      I don't blame you. Well, at least you aren't in the paypal system. But, what a bummer that we only have this one option to join EYB!

                                                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                                                        LulusMom Jul 9, 2010 03:16 PM

                                                                                                        Actually they can't seem to promise me that paypal doesn't have the info, but says "I can tell you that we don't." So I had to ask: if you don't have my info, why did I get a confirmation email?

                                                                                                        None of this made better by the fact that Lulu is having a 4 year old meltdown. We were supposed to be enjoying a ladies night out, but instead it was straighttobed! Poor little thing.

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                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Jul 9, 2010 07:00 PM

                                                                                                          I'm so sorry this happened to you. It's too bad paypal is the only option for payment.

                                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                                            LulusMom Jul 10, 2010 03:20 AM

                                                                                                            A good night's sleep and a comforting email from them has helped a lot. And thank you TDQ for your kind thoughts. I DO wish they had made it more obvious that it was going to paypal.

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                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Jul 10, 2010 05:29 AM

                                                                                                              Things always seem better in the morning. So, are you done with EYB, then, or have they given you an alternative way to pay? Can you mail them a check or something?

                                                                                                              ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                LulusMom Jul 10, 2010 06:18 AM

                                                                                                                We're working it out. The woman I dealt with was really nice and helpful and very understanding about my not wanting to deal with PP (which makes you wonder why they use it ...).

                                                                                                                Things aren't totally better though - poor Lulu has a stomach bug. Probably explains why she was so out of sorts last night.

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                                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Jul 10, 2010 06:21 AM

                                                                                                                  Oh, that's awesome (about EYB). Poor Lulu.

                                                                                                                  ~TDQ

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                                                                                              2. Hank Hanover Jul 9, 2010 01:06 PM

                                                                                                It is my understanding that you can't actually retrieve the recipe...just the name of the recipe and what book it is in. I can understand why they don't because it would cause all kinds of copyright issues.

                                                                                                I think I am going to keep transcribing my cookbooks (at least the recipes I am interested in) into word format and saving them to my hard drive in subcategories like main Dishes and under that Beef, chicken, pork, lamb and so forth.

                                                                                                I can go to most of the recipe sites and search for combinations of ingredients and get recipes with review ratings. I can then look at my personal stash of recipes for similar ideas and pick the recipe I like.

                                                                                                I have even been known to look at several recipes for the same dish and mix and match and come up with a recipe of my own. I then save that recipe with and add my initials so i know I have amended it. I also have an area at the end of my recipes that show possible variations.

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                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Jul 9, 2010 01:18 PM

                                                                                                  No, cannot retrieve the recipe in EYB, but you can search and retrieve the name of the recipe, the type of recipe it is (main, side, dessert, etc.), the title of the book its, AND THE INGREDIENT LIST.

                                                                                                  So, if you want a recipe that uses peaches and ricotta, you can search all of the books in your EYB library for recipes that call for that combination. Or, mabye you want only DESSERT recipes that call for peaches and ricotta. Or, maybe you only want GRILLED dessert recipes that call for peaches and ricotta.

                                                                                                  Regardless, what it returns is a listing of the recipes that meet your criteria, what other ingredients those recipes call for, and which books they are in.

                                                                                                  You can run the same search on any book in the EYB library, too. Maybe you really love ground bison but just can't find enough cookbooks that specifically have ground bison recipes. Well, if you did a search on EYB, then you could find (at least among their collection) which cookbooks you might want to look into acquiring.

                                                                                                  And, you can run these searches from whereever you happen to be. So, tonight, before I leave the office, I'm going to check the website of my local fishmonger to see what the specials are. Then, I'm going to login to EYB, run a search for recipes for that kind of fish, then it will tell me which recipes are in my books. I can then choose one recipe, print out the ingredient list, and know what else I might need to pick up at the grocery store on my way home.

                                                                                                  Under my old system of using my cookbooks, I'd have to pick a recipe before I left the house for work this morning and hope that that's what looks good at the fishmonger. Or, I'd swing by the fishmonger on my way home from work and pick up a random assortment of ingredients hoping I could cobble together dinner from that when I got home. Or, I just pick something from the fishmonger, look up some recipes when I got home, then run out to the grocery store for any ingredients I was missing. Or, most frequently, once I found out what the fishmongers specials were, I'd look a recipe up online or prepare an old favorite from memory, but those last two options don't involve using my cookbooks, really.

                                                                                                  ~TDQ

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                                                                                                2. greedygirl Jul 10, 2010 04:57 AM

                                                                                                  I just signed up for a trial and I have a friend already! I'm presuming it's Gio....

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                                                                                                    Gio Jul 10, 2010 05:06 AM

                                                                                                    That it is, my dear... have fun with it. It's very helpful.

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                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Jul 10, 2010 05:38 AM

                                                                                                      Oh my gosh, how exciting!

                                                                                                      Funny, though, I've been looking at Gio's shelf and there are several books (Vegetarian Option, VCFE, Art of Simple Food) that I know we have in common that aren't showing as points of intersection. I wonder why?

                                                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                                                        Gio Jul 10, 2010 05:52 AM

                                                                                                        I noticed that also. And on the bookshelves of others as well. A glitch in the system? Another edtition?

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                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Jul 10, 2010 05:57 AM

                                                                                                          Yes, it must be the multiple editions thing but, for instance, how many editions are there of Vegetarian Option? That seems too new to have so many editions.

                                                                                                          Also, I sent EYB "friend" invites to all of Gio's friends that I recognized. (There a couple of people I didn't recognize, so, sorry if I'm being dense). My EYB name is different, but you'll probably figure out it's me anyway.

                                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                                            Gio Jul 10, 2010 06:03 AM

                                                                                                            Lydia writes a great blog I read...
                                                                                                            http://www.theperfectpantry.com/

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                                                                                                      LulusMom Jul 11, 2010 08:50 AM

                                                                                                      Can someone tell me how I "friend" someone on there? I see that I can invite others to be my friend, but somehow the wording of that seems presumptuous. Can't I just friend others?

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                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen Jul 11, 2010 09:00 AM

                                                                                                        Click on the "friends" link on the menu to the left. It will bring up two "boxes" where you just type in the handle of the person you want to be your friend and press invite. I think, anyway.

                                                                                                        ~TDQ

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                                                                                                          Gio Jul 11, 2010 09:28 AM

                                                                                                          That's how to do it, LLM. The name of the person you befriend shows up on your page immediately. On FB you have the opportunity to ignore or accept friends. I haven't seen that option on EYB. There's no personal information on EYB except titles of cookbooks so all else is private...

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                                                                                                            LulusMom Jul 11, 2010 09:42 AM

                                                                                                            OK, I had seen that, but again, it felt somehow presumptuous. I'm probably just being too old fashioned here. Thanks to you both for the info.

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                                                                                                              LulusMom Jul 11, 2010 09:51 AM

                                                                                                              BTW, I'm kari500 on there, so you don't have to spend a lot of time scratching your heads.

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                                                                                                                Gio Jul 11, 2010 10:04 AM

                                                                                                                Forget what I said about the accept/ignore feature. It's there when you go to your friends page, which I just did and saw your invitation. That's where the option is.

                                                                                                                Time to get ready to watch the World Cup final. See y'all later.

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                                                                                                                  mebby Jul 12, 2010 07:13 AM

                                                                                                                  Just got on and saw friend invites, but don't see where to accept. They are listed as "pending" on my Friends page, but I'm not seeing a button anywhere -- am I being dense? Do I need to invite people back? When I go to your pages I see me listed as a friend, but on my own profile I have 0 friends listed (sniff).

                                                                                                                  BTW, the friend invitations come across with your name as you listed it when you signed up, not your user name, so if you care not to be identified, don't use last name (cuz god knows what would happen if knowledge of these extensive cookbook collections got out, but just FWIW). It's funny too how tough it is to associate you all with any names other than your Chow ones!

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                                                                                                                    Gio Jul 12, 2010 07:34 AM

                                                                                                                    I think there's an Accept & Ignore feature on MY EYB page.
                                                                                                                    Thanks for the heads up about the name thing. Now to find out how to change it...

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                                                                                                                      mebby Jul 12, 2010 08:42 AM

                                                                                                                      Gio, only your actual first name is showing up (same for TDQ although she has last initial also), but LLM appears to have both first and last name -- and it's only on the friend request, so maybe not a big deal. I think it's tied to what you entered on your profile under "name" (which you could interpret as first name, last name, etc), not your official name from payment info.

                                                                                                                      Finally figured out how to accept friends -- the first time I clicked on a name under "pending friends" it took me to that person's profile. Later, when I tried it again, "accept" and "ignore" buttons appeared beneath. Again, a little buggy.

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                                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen Jul 12, 2010 08:46 AM

                                                                                                                        mebby, in your first paragraph you're referring to the invite request, right?

                                                                                                                        ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                          mebby Jul 12, 2010 09:46 AM

                                                                                                                          Yes -- that's why I said maybe it's not a big deal. But it was funny because I had friend requests from people I'd never heard of -- you'll always be TDQ to me!

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                                                                                                                          greedygirl Jul 12, 2010 08:49 AM

                                                                                                                          I now can't work out how you see who other people have as friends. It used to come up but now it doesn't. Or maybe I'm being dense, which is entirely possible.

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                                                                                                                            The Dairy Queen Jul 12, 2010 08:55 AM

                                                                                                                            What you can see depends on what they've set as their privacy settings, I think, but if you click on your "friends" then you will see a listing of your friends. Click on their profiles and you might be able to see who their friends are.

                                                                                                                            ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                              greedygirl Jul 12, 2010 08:57 AM

                                                                                                                              i think a lot of people have changed their privacy settings then, because I can no longer see who their friends are on their profiles.

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                                                                                                                                The Dairy Queen Jul 12, 2010 09:01 AM

                                                                                                                                I suspect you are correct...

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                                                                                                                                  mebby Jul 12, 2010 09:55 AM

                                                                                                                                  I was curious about this, so looked at your profile and see my name listed as one of your friends, but I don't have a notification from you and you're not listed on my friends. And I can still see friends of others who I am not friends with. Very confusing.

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                                                                                                                          greedygirl Jul 12, 2010 08:17 AM

                                                                                                                          You're not being dense - it isn't that user friendly as websites go, imho. I also don't understand why they list multiple editions of the same book, when they're only going to index one of them. I've ended up adding the American editions of some of my books (Dunlop, for example) because the UK editions aren't indexed and are never going to be. It seems overly complicated to me.

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                                                                                                                            The Dairy Queen Jul 12, 2010 08:27 AM

                                                                                                                            I completely agree with your point about listing multiple editions of a book, when only one will be indexed. Annoying!

                                                                                                                            EDIT: they should at least have some kind of feature where it responds with "a similar book has been indexed, do you want to list that one instead" or something.

                                                                                                                            Also, I wish they would email you when a book you have on your shelf has been indexed so I don't have to obsessively check their listing of most recent 100 books indexed. I do believe they say that they will email you if a book you have REQUESTED to be index has been indexed... But, since it seems to me a "request" for indexing is a basically a popularity contest, I view it like "voting" and only submitted requests for the ones I really, really want indexed.

                                                                                                                            ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                              jen kalb Jul 13, 2010 08:06 AM

                                                                                                                              From the listings I havent been able to understand which book is listed. They are not listed with ISBN, Publisher or date of publication. The multiple listing of the same book - with no obvious differentiating factors other than the cover - is very confusing. I took to inputting my books with ISBN and only going to the search feature if one wont take.

                                                                                                                              There are big problems with offshore series books like Tarla Dalal;s and particularly the Wu Chuan taiwanese series which have flaky ISBN numbers (differnt book same number) sometimes In some cases you can clearily see it is a Szechuan Book or a Shanghi book, say, from the picture, but that does not come out in the label. this may be attributable to bad ISBN numbering. Is there a any way of correcting any of this labelling?

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                                                                                                                                buttertart Jul 13, 2010 08:38 AM

                                                                                                                                Why am I not surprised you have the Wei Chuan books, miss? Great, aren't they.

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                                                                                                                                  JaneEYB Jul 13, 2010 08:50 AM

                                                                                                                                  We have just recently added about 65,000 new ISBNs to the database and are finding some errors made by the supplier. So if you see any you know are wrong please let us know.

                                                                                                                                  The new search which will be up in a week or so will be much clearer on book details - listing ISBN, format, country and date of publication for every edition. For now, click on More detail at the top and you will see some of this info. To see details of the linked eidtions, click the ISBN.

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                                                                                                                                    JoanN Jul 13, 2010 08:51 AM

                                                                                                                                    I have a hardbound copy of Wei-Chuan's Chinese Cuisine that my sister-in-law brought back from Taiwan for me. It has no ISBN listed at all. I looked it up on Amazon, found this edition of the book, http://www.amazon.com/Chinese-Cuisine... figured that was close enough, and used the ISBN listed on Amazon for that edition to add the book to my library.

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                                                                                                                                    smtucker Jul 20, 2010 12:08 PM

                                                                                                                                    Well, this is a bit of a mess. I have three pending invites: which is me to them. And I have received three invitations and NO WHERE is there an accept button. So, please don't assume I don't like you. I just can't figure out how to get from here to there!

                                                                                                                                    Having tons of fun though searching my cookbooks for new ideas.

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                                                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Jul 20, 2010 12:14 PM

                                                                                                                                      I think if you click on "friends" from the menu on the left hand side, it will bring up a new screen. It's confusing, but I think nearish to the top it will list the invites others have sent you and given you a button to click in order to "accept."

                                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                        beetlebug Jul 20, 2010 12:16 PM

                                                                                                                                        Also, on my browser, I have to click on the friend name in order for it to show the accept button.

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                                                                                                                                        Gio Jul 20, 2010 12:20 PM

                                                                                                                                        SMT, I think it's kind of random, that Accept/Ignore feature. Sometimes I see it on My Friends page if someone has sent an invitationvcto me. Right now I have a friends pending notice meaning that I've invited someone who hasn't accepted yet.

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                                                                                                                                          pikawicca Jul 20, 2010 01:00 PM

                                                                                                                                          The no way to accept thing has happened to me, too,

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                                                                                                                                            LulusMom Jul 20, 2010 01:27 PM

                                                                                                                                            Me too.

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                                                                                                                                              beetlebug Jul 20, 2010 01:45 PM

                                                                                                                                              After clicking on the friends on the left hand column, Look to "My friends" and you'll see the people want you to friend then. Then,try clicking on the name of the person who made the request. Then, the accept button should pop up.

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                                                                                                                                                The Dairy Queen Jul 20, 2010 02:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                Ah, yes, you're right.

                                                                                                                                                After you click on your "Friends" from the menu on the left, it will open a "My Friends" screen. At the top, it will listing "pending invitations" if you have any. Just click on the names of the people whose invitations are pending to either "accept" or "reject" their friendship invitation.

                                                                                                                                                ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                  pikawicca Jul 20, 2010 03:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                  I did this and the would-be friend disappeared!

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                                                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Jul 20, 2010 04:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Does the person now appear on your "friends" list when you click on "friends" on the menu on the left?

                                                                                                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                      pikawicca Jul 20, 2010 04:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                      No; she's gone. I believe her name might have been LindaS (or somethiing like that.) I do wish Hounds would use their CH monikers.

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                                                                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen Jul 20, 2010 04:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                        Hmmmm...I don't know who that person is.

                                                                                                                                                        ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                    roxlet Jul 22, 2010 04:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                    This friend thing is a lot harder than it should be! I still can't figure out how to accept a friend request. I will try again...

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                                                                                                                                                  SilverlakeGirl Jul 21, 2010 08:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                  Me too. Very confusing.

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                                                                                                                                                    runwestierun Jul 21, 2010 09:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                    Do you think it could have been KarenS? She's a chowhound, a friendly one, so I can imagine she would want to friend you..

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                                                                                                                                2. Caitlin McGrath Jul 11, 2010 08:40 PM

                                                                                                                                  So, I've been following this thread for a while, and I just registered for the free trial. I don't have reams of books, having culled pretty severely a few years ago before a cross-country move, and then, I currently have a number in storage, so adding them isn't necessarily useful given that I can't currently use them. Nevertheless, I figured it'd be fun to play with.

                                                                                                                                  I took a shortcut to manually entering a bunch when I looked at the common bookshelf for a book I'd added. I know from discussion on the HC board that I have various books in common with some of you, so I started scrolling through the bookshelves of some names I recognized, and clicked on books I have, too so I could add them. So thank you all for your labor, as it saved me some as I am getting going [g]. (I am caitmcg, by the way.)

                                                                                                                                  Of course, I'd spring for the full membership right this moment if EYB could only magically index the pile of notebooks full of recipes clipped from magazines and newspapers I have on my shelves...

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                                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Jul 12, 2010 04:25 AM

                                                                                                                                    I think that's a good approach to adding books, too. Plus, at least you will end up with the same version on your shelf that other people show on their shelves, which should resolve the problem Gio and I were discussing above where certain books aren't showing on our lists as books we have in common.

                                                                                                                                    I wish I could index all of my notebooks of recipes, too.

                                                                                                                                    I added you as a friend, I think, as well as a couple of other names that I think I recognized...

                                                                                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                      Gio Jul 12, 2010 05:06 AM

                                                                                                                                      Have you figured out how to delete something on a list? I have a couple of Do Laters that I've made and now want to delete.

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                                                                                                                                        beetlebug Jul 12, 2010 06:41 AM

                                                                                                                                        To delete the recipe from the "do later" part. Click on the box, so the check mark fills the box. Then, look over to the right hand side - there is a small X with a circle around it. It's faint but, it's over the two blue circles that say DL and BK. Click on the Circled X and it will go away.

                                                                                                                                        That circled X needs to be darker.

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                                                                                                                                          beetlebug Jul 12, 2010 06:43 AM

                                                                                                                                          Actually, you may not even have to check off the box. Just click on the faint circled X and it should delete it.

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                                                                                                                                            Gio Jul 12, 2010 07:37 AM

                                                                                                                                            Many thanks, BB. Guess I better put my glasses on...

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                                                                                                                                        LulusMom Jul 12, 2010 05:55 AM

                                                                                                                                        TDQ, you seem to be our go to person for questions about the site! I only get 5 minutes here and there with the computer, so haven't really had as much time to play with it as I'd like. I haven't been able to figure out how to "favorite" a book once it is already on my bookshelf. Anyone know? Thanks so much in advance.

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                                                                                                                                          Gio Jul 12, 2010 06:10 AM

                                                                                                                                          Hi LLM... I've clicked on the title of the book on my bookshelf, when it appears on a separate page there's a line of buttons, "Book Detail, Ratings and Comments, Other Bookshelves." Click on Ratings and Comments and when the new page appears you'll see My Rating & stars to click.

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                                                                                                                                            LulusMom Jul 12, 2010 06:35 AM

                                                                                                                                            thank you so much Gio. So giving it a lot of stars automatically favorites it - that is what you're saying. I don't use facebook (obviously) so a lot of this stuff seems new and not so obvious to me.

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                                                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Jul 12, 2010 06:58 AM

                                                                                                                                              Hmmm...I don't know if the ratings feature is the same as the "favorites" feature. I think not, actually. What I do to "favorite" one specific book is search my bookshelf for the title of the book, say, Revolutionary Chinese. When the book comes up, you'll see a square box next to the title of the book, click on the square box to select the book. Then, look above in the green banner for the button that says "Add to Favorites." Click on that "add to favorites" button and you should be good.

                                                                                                                                              If you want to do a bunch of books at once, just click on my bookshelf to bring up the entire list of your books. Click the little empty box next to each book you want to favorite, then click the "add to favorites" button above in the green banner to add them all at once. I think you can only do one page at a time as I think all the little boxes get unchecked when you move to page 2 of your cookbooks list. And so on.

                                                                                                                                              Within a cookbook, if it's one that has been indexed, you can use almost the identical procedure to add recipes to your list of favorite recipes.

                                                                                                                                              I hope this makes sense.

                                                                                                                                              ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                Gio Jul 12, 2010 07:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                You're absolutely correct, TDQ. I confused Ratings with Favorites.

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                                                                                                                                      3. greedygirl Jul 12, 2010 04:01 AM

                                                                                                                                        I'm enjoying the sight so far but there do seem to be a few glitches, which is why it's still a work in progress I guess.

                                                                                                                                        One slight irritant, for me, is that for a lot of ingredients I have to do two searches using the different names we have in the UK - broad bean vs fava, for example, or zucchini vs courgette.

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                                                                                                                                        1. Gio Jul 12, 2010 08:36 AM

                                                                                                                                          Will someone click on my profile, please, and tell me what name or names you see. I just made my info private so only my User name Country and Bookshelf show.
                                                                                                                                          TIA...!

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                                                                                                                                            The Dairy Queen Jul 12, 2010 08:40 AM

                                                                                                                                            Yep! That's all that shows. Will you check mine now, please?

                                                                                                                                            By the way, any comments you make on recipes are currently public for all to see. So, if you want to take notes along the lines of, next time, double the salt and leave out the the broccoli or whatever, be forewarned that other people can see those. Just FYI.

                                                                                                                                            ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                              LulusMom Jul 12, 2010 09:51 AM

                                                                                                                                              Looks like it just gives your location (rather broad, that, isn't it?) and the books we have in common. I'm going to need a lot more time than I currently have to get this thing down.

                                                                                                                                              Have a horrible feeling I never hit any sort of accept button the person who invited me as a friend (and she's one of my favorite people in the world) - don't remember seeing one. Ball of confusion.

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                                                                                                                                                Gio Jul 12, 2010 09:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                Edit.. I see your user name, country, bookshelf - no friends.

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                                                                                                                                                  LulusMom Jul 12, 2010 10:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                  How very very odd. I see her friends, but not her whole bookshelf- only the books we have in common.
                                                                                                                                                  Edited to add: I see those first things when I just click on her name; when I click on profile I get her whole bookshelf but her friends disappear.

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                                                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Jul 12, 2010 11:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                    This is all so weird! I don't really know what's normal to expect to see or not see when it comes to friends and invites and invite acceptances, etc. and such because everyone's settings etc. are different and people are tweaking them, in part due to this conversation. But, I think the key is as long as a person is on your friend listing, I believe you can search that person's library for books or recipes. I don't know if the person even needs to "accept" your invite for that to be true. Not sure.

                                                                                                                                                    But, I believe you can look at anyone's library and see which books they have, whether they are a friend or not.

                                                                                                                                                    To accept an invite, I think you just click on "friends" from your menu at the left. And, if you have open invites, they will show sort of at the top. But, I'm not totally sure because I haven't done it that many times.

                                                                                                                                                    The funny thing is, I have a listing showing the handles of people who have sent me invites, and of a few people who have accepted my invites. Then there's a running list of people to whom I have sent invites who have not responded. That list of people is getting shorter, but I'm not seeing any "accepts" or "declines." I'm not sure what's up there. Maybe it only has room for 3-4 comments?

                                                                                                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                Caitlin McGrath Jul 12, 2010 11:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                Okay, I need some help. First, I'd like for one of you to do this check on my profile and make sure it's showing my username and not my first or full name. Second, can someone tell me how to get to privacy settings? I see the edit info option i the profile, but I can't find options for adjusting what's publi

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                                                                                                                                                  Gio Jul 12, 2010 11:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                  When I click on your Profile I see your user name only... your country, number of books on your bookshelf, number of recipes in your bookshelf, friends: me included :) ... books in common with me, other books.
                                                                                                                                                  When I click on your user name.. I see your country, books in common, friends: I'm not there. :( but everyone else is.

                                                                                                                                                  Re: Privacy. Click on Your Profile on the left hand of your page. When it comes up, scroll down and see the info about Privacy.

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                                                                                                                                                    Caitlin McGrath Jul 12, 2010 12:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                    Many thanks. When people's profiles, etc. show their friends seems variable, and is probably just a bug.

                                                                                                                                                    Several Chowhounds seem to be using the same username for EYB as here, including some I've seen who haven't commented in this thread (and a few of those I've recognized are people who don't necessarily post on HC). It is interesting to look at their bookshelves, and especially to see how many books hounds have in common. Even folks who don't actively participate in COTM or post much on HC have many of the much-discussed and admired cookbooks, it seems. I don't know if they were led to them because of the discussions, or it's just because they're really good books.

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                                                                                                                                                      SilverlakeGirl Jul 13, 2010 05:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                      If anyone wants to start a CH group on EYB, I'd be interested.

                                                                                                                                                      I will join when I get home from work today and I'll use my LibraryThing nick which is "terila".

                                                                                                                                                      It's short for my name, Teri and city L.A. Easier to use than SLG.

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                                                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Jul 12, 2010 11:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                    For all of the chowhounders I've been able to identify, when I look at their EYB profile, I see their eyb handle, their country, and their bookshelves. Some I see their friends; some not. I do not see anyone's full names.

                                                                                                                                                    The only place I've seen more than an EYB handle is in a "friend" invite I've received and that was a "real" first name+aka Chowhound handle. No last name or initial.

                                                                                                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                      JaneEYB Jul 12, 2010 07:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                      Apologies, I lost track of this thread a couple of weeks ago when I went on vacation and now find a huge number of questions. Though TDQ, Gio and others seem to be doing a great job giving advice. Thank you everyone. Don't forget you can also post questions on the EYB Forum 'Give Us Your Feedback'.

                                                                                                                                                      We have been working away for the last couple of months on a new UI for books and recipes search which we think will be much more intuitive. It will go live in the next couple of weeks. After that is finished we have a huge wishlist of enhancements, many of which have been raised here. So I'll try to answer as many of the issues as I can.

                                                                                                                                                      Multiple editions of books - we are still working out what is best here. A lot of people want to have the specific edition they own on their EYB Bookshelf, which is why we are listing all editions. Once a book is indexed that is the master and all other editions are linked to it. So the recipes will appear in your searches even if you own a different edition. All linked editions will no longer be listed separately but will appear as linked ISBNs from the master, so can still be added to your Bookshelf. If you ever come across an edition which you think should be linked to an indexed book that isn't, please let us know.

                                                                                                                                                      Alert when your books are indexed - we plan to issue alerts to your home page, My EYB, when a book on your Bookshelf is indexed, so you don't have to keep checking the latest indexed books. However, in the new version it will be much easier to see your indexed books, you’ll be able to sort by Date Indexed and just show Indexed books.

                                                                                                                                                      Import ISBNs - use the Import Books feature when you have a lot of books to add. You can import a list of ISBNs if you have your books already listed in a catalog such as Good Reads or LibraryThing. Or you can use a barcode scanner - either a dedicated unit or an app for your iPhone or Android phone. EYB will then tell you which books were not in the Library. We do intend to add the books that members have requested but that will be after we have finished the new search. When the book is added it will automatically go onto your bookshelf. So even if you don't use Import Books for adding your books, do use it for listing books you want added to the EYB Library.

                                                                                                                                                      Paypal - we are aware that this is not a popular payment method with everyone so we are planning to change the payment system, probably around the same time we remove the lifetime option.

                                                                                                                                                      Personal recipes - we do plan to add a feature that will allow you to index your personal recipes - clippings, family recipes, online recipes, etc. These will then just be available in your searches.

                                                                                                                                                      Private comments - we also plan to create private comments so you will be able to log your own notes. Though if it is of any interest to other users of the recipe, please add public comments. The more members who share their experiences, the more valuable the resource becomes.

                                                                                                                                                      Privacy settings - if you click on Profile in the left navigation you will see half way down the page under More About Me a toggle between Public and Private listing. If you select Private then the only info anyone can see about you is your EYB name, Country and your Bookshelf. If you select Public then those details plus # of books/recipes, Friends, Favorite Authors, and your More About Me section if you have written anything. We never show anyone's name they used to register, only their EYB name. So where it has been mentioned in a post above that a name was shown, then that will the EYB name the person is using.

                                                                                                                                                      Friends - we agree this is a bit messy and we plan to improve it. We may have to take it down for a few weeks to make the changes, but we’ll warn you beforehand. You are alerted that someone has made a friend request to you on the My EYB page under Recent Activity. You can check out that person by clicking on their name which takes you to their profile where you can see their other friends (unless they have opted for a Private listing). Or you can accept the friend request by clicking Friends in left navigation and at the top are your outstanding requests which you can Accept or Decline individually.

                                                                                                                                                      Ingredients - the indexing of the cookbooks has been a major undertaking and the system has evolved over time. We started off with ingredients being quite general e.g. soy sauce but have now added every variation (11 so far). This does mean that some of the early indexed books will still be more general - they will eventually be rechecked though our priority at the moment is indexing as many EYB members' books as possible. If you ever see an ingredient or recipe name you think has an error, just click Report an Error at the bottom of the page - we love getting help with proofreading! Regarding the comment about having to do separate searches for courgettes and zucchini, you shouldn't need to as we have linked all versions of ingredient names, so if you search on one you see the results for everything. Fiona (my sister and partner in EYB) and I are originally Brits who now live in NZ and the USA so we are very aware of the variations in ingredient names.

                                                                                                                                                      Sorry this is so long but there were a lot of questions that needed answers. We are not a large organization and a start-up so changes may take longer than you would like. But we definitely want to make the website as useful as it can be so the feedback we get here and through the site is really useful.

                                                                                                                                                      Jane
                                                                                                                                                      Eat Your Books

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                                                                                                                                                        Caitlin McGrath Jul 12, 2010 08:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for the clarifications, Jane. I haven't seen anything but members' user names on profiles, but when I checked the Notifications in my profile this afternoon, the several people who had sent me friend requests were listed variously by first name, first name and last initial, and first and last name - in all cases different than the public user names on their profiles - while the two who had accepted my requests were listed by their profile names. I'm not worried about the particular case, as those people and I already know each other by our real names, but it doesn't seem consistent with what you said above.

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                                                                                                                                                          mebby Jul 12, 2010 09:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                          Thanks, Jane. Despite my comments, I think it is terrific idea and a great site -- and I look forward to the continual evolution.

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                                                                                                                                                            greedygirl Jul 13, 2010 12:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                            Thanks for that Fiona. I am a Brit too, and was pleasantly surprised by the number of UK cookery books indexed - now I know why!

                                                                                                                                                            With regards to the courgette/zucchini issue, I have discovered that it is only a problem when you do an advanced search. And thanks for the clarification re multiple editions - that's helpful.

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                                                                                                                                                              SilverlakeGirl Jul 13, 2010 05:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Thank you for all of the information, Jane.

                                                                                                                                                              I am a lifetime member at LibraryThing where my name is terila. I joined LT to catalog my 628 cookbooks. I am one of the largest cookbook owners on their database.

                                                                                                                                                              I can't wait to join EYB today!

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                                                                                                                                                                JaneEYB Jul 13, 2010 08:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                I have friended you on LibraryThing (I'm a lifetime member too). Surprisingly we have only 45 cookbooks in common, given how huge both our collections are. It will be really easy to import your cookbooks data from LT - follow the instructions on the Import Books page.

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                                                                                                                                                                  SilverlakeGirl Jul 13, 2010 09:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Thank you. I have friended you as well.

                                                                                                                                                                  When I looked at your library, I was surprised that we didn't have more in common too. Somehow my importing dropped 35 books or so when I moved them to EYB.

                                                                                                                                                                  I will try to sort that out tonight.

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                                                                                                                                                                    JaneEYB Jul 13, 2010 12:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    If we don't have the book in the EYB Library you will get a list after the import that tells you the ISBNs of books that couldn't be added. When we add those books to the Library they will automatically be added to your Bookshelf.

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                                                                                                                                                                meatn3 Aug 8, 2010 03:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                Jane, I'm enjoying the site & thank you all for the enormous amount of work you've all put into it!

                                                                                                                                                                I did find that the name/friend/privacy issue still has kinks. The first person to request me as a friend showed up by their real first & last name in my notifications. Once I accepted the invite she has only shown up by her EYB/CH name with her real name not appearing in her profile.

                                                                                                                                                                The next person who invited me as a friend just showed up on my "friend" page, with no notification shown. Not complaining, always happy for new friends, but I don't want to miss a request and accidentally ignore anyone!

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                                                                                                                                                          2. The Dairy Queen Jul 16, 2010 09:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                            Okay, call me a dunce, but I had basically decided that EYB was more or less useless for the books on your bookshelf that they haven't indexed yet.

                                                                                                                                                            However, it just occurred to me that you can still use the comments field on the unindexed books that are on your bookshelf to keep notes about which recipes in the books are your favorites or "avoids" or whatever. It's not searchable, of course, but at least you'd be keeping everything in a central location.

                                                                                                                                                            The bad news is that there's only 1000 characters, which is about 10 lines of text. I wonder if they have any plans of expanding that comments field?

                                                                                                                                                            ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                            1. jen kalb Jul 16, 2010 11:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                              Ok I registered and put a bunch of books up on the site, but I am having a bit of difficult y understanding how to use the search function, seeing my books in a categorized view, etc. (I have not done any personal categorization, just in terms of the categories the site has established)

                                                                                                                                                              Is there just some way of getting a simple list of my bookshelf in the categories using the sorts EYB has established) without having to scroll through 20 pages?

                                                                                                                                                              Second, the search feature needs to be more user-friendly.
                                                                                                                                                              It should be easy to search a book, a group of books, my library or the EYB library for a recipe or ingredient. Im having problems with this - is there a tutorial or FAQ on site about how to search?
                                                                                                                                                              Ideally I could initate a search by clicking on a book name or category in my library

                                                                                                                                                              Any suggestions for the less able?

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                                                                                                                                                                The Dairy Queen Jul 16, 2010 11:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                jen, I have the same complaints you have and, alas, haven't found haven't found the perfect solution. Somewhere on the site they mention that the search function is supposed to improve with the next release of the software, but it's hard to say when that will be.

                                                                                                                                                                As far as looking at a list of your books by category, the closest I can find is this. From the menu on the left, click on "classifications". Your own categories (if you have any) will come up at the top of the page. Click on the category name to see a listing of the books on your shelf that are in that category.

                                                                                                                                                                If you scroll down, past your own categories you'll see the EYB categories. Click on those to get a sublist. Click on that to see your books. Pretty awkward if you ask me, but, that's the best I've been able to figure out thus far.

                                                                                                                                                                ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                  jen kalb Jul 16, 2010 11:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks, I will give that a try.

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                                                                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Jul 16, 2010 12:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    By the way, the most compact "listing" of my books I've been able to find is the listing according to my own classifications. So, if you use your own classifications for any reason, you can also achieve the very compact listing.

                                                                                                                                                                    I have categorized all my books as either "indexed" or "not indexed" as I want to be able to see at a glance which books are or aren't indexed. I think this ultimately will be a waste of time as EYB (again, somewhere on their site) has mentioned that one of the enhancements they are working on will help you see which of your books are indexed. (Actually, maybe Jane said that in one of her comments in this thread.) Anyway, for what it's worth.

                                                                                                                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                  Gio Jul 16, 2010 11:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                  Jen,
                                                                                                                                                                  Go to this How-To page:
                                                                                                                                                                  http://www.eatyourbooks.com/help/how-to

                                                                                                                                                                  Then scroll down to this:
                                                                                                                                                                  Searching for Books and Recipes

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                                                                                                                                                                    mebby Jul 16, 2010 11:51 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    I don't know about the categories and listing, as I haven't been using categories, but in the advanced search you can definitely select a specific book or one or more categories, etc., but you have to click the "My Recipes" tab first.

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                                                                                                                                                                      JaneEYB Jul 16, 2010 07:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      The new search we are currently working on should be up mid-August. I hope you will all find it much easier to use - we have done a lot of testing with members and people new to the site. You will be able to view just the indexed books in any category and you will be able to add books to your Bookshelf from the indexed lists. It is definitely worth adding unindexed books to your Bookshelf, even if you cannot yet search them for recipes. It increases the book count for our indexing chart and also it means that as soon as the book is indexed those recipes are immediately added to your searches.

                                                                                                                                                                      In the new search you will also be able to filter your results by your own Bookmarks or any EYB categories. Presently you can define what you are searching in - use the In: box - you can search your Bookshelf, the EYB Library, your Favorites or Do Laters.

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                                                                                                                                                                      runwestierun Jul 16, 2010 12:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      Man, I love Chowhound. I never would have found EYB, thank you, Beetlebug, for calling it to my attention. And thank you TDQ, Gio, everybody, for explaining it so well. And I am such a procrastinator, I hadn't signed up, but then I read this downthread from Jane: "Paypal - we are aware that this is not a popular payment method with everyone so we are planning to change the payment system, probably around the same time we remove the lifetime option."

                                                                                                                                                                      "Remove the lifetime option"? I didn't know they might do that so I immediately bought mine. Yay! This is so perfect for me because I recently bought 50 cookbooks at a garage sale. When you buy 50 at once, you don't browse through them and get familiar with them like you do if you buy them one at a time. Also I bought about 150 at a cookbook store last May to replace those destroyed in a storm. I am so excited to upload them all!

                                                                                                                                                                      Anyone want to be friends?

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                                                                                                                                                                        Gio Jul 16, 2010 01:13 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        Hey runwestierun... 50 books at once! I'm jealous.
                                                                                                                                                                        I'm JDP at EYB. Have fun.

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                                                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Jul 16, 2010 02:29 PM

                                                                                                                                                                          If you can't figure out who I am on EYB (it's not totally obvious), you can email me at the address in my chowhound profile and I'll tell you what my EYB handle is.

                                                                                                                                                                          What a coup, snagging 50 cookbooks all at once!

                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                            runwestierun Jul 20, 2010 04:32 PM

                                                                                                                                                                            TDQ I cannot figure out how to email you, I am sorry. I am runwestie over at EYB and I would love to be friends wth you. If you have the time and the inclination, would you please send me an invite? I can't figure out who Caitlin is, either. I am loving the site, though, and I am amazed how few cookbooks I have in common with others when we both have so many. Jen has 240 books, I have 169, and we only have 2 in common. Isn't that crazy?

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                                                                                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Jul 20, 2010 04:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              My email address is in my chowhound profile!

                                                                                                                                                                              ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                The Dairy Queen Jul 20, 2010 04:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                westie, I tried to send you a friend invite, but it couldn't find you. :( Perhaps you can either email me or just remind me of what your EYB name is again...

                                                                                                                                                                                ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                  Caitlin McGrath Jul 20, 2010 05:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm caitmcg, and I just sent you a request.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Jul 20, 2010 06:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh, I just realized you had told me your handle. runwestie, not runwestierun. I sent you an invite!

                                                                                                                                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                      runwestierun Jul 20, 2010 08:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Thank you both! Yes, when I went to create a moniker, "runwestierun" wouldn't fit so I had to shorten it. I suppose the same thing happened to you, Caitlin. And maybe you don't want me to be your friend because of my particular density, but I couldn't find your email address in your Chowhound profile, TDQ, just your blog addy. First my socks, then my shoes...

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                                                                                                                                                                                        pikawicca Jul 20, 2010 08:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        True, TDQ's email is not in her profile.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Jul 21, 2010 03:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          pika, it comes and goes.

                                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                          Caitlin McGrath Jul 20, 2010 08:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          If you look closely, what is on the "blog" line of TDQ's profile is actually an email address (includes at hotmail dot com). Many posters (myself included) have our email addresses on that line, as there is no line dedicated to email address and we may have something else on the others.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I always check to see if what's there is a URL following the http:// or an email with @ or at (the http:// gets dumped in automatically so you can't go withou

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                                                                                                                                                                                            runwestierun Jul 20, 2010 09:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            AHA! thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            buttertart Jul 21, 2010 06:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            You should use a pic of that Westie or Westies as your avatar! Such cuties.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              runwestierun Jul 21, 2010 09:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              If only I could get him to hold a spatula!

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Gio Jul 20, 2010 12:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      I' m now Gio. I changed my user name.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      Rubee Jul 16, 2010 02:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      Cograts on the cookbook score! On EYB, I'm the same as my CH handle - Rubee

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                                                                                                                                                                                        runwestierun Jul 18, 2010 12:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        OK today's the day! I've got about 100 books in the system so far. I was happy to see that some of the Cook's Illustrated annuals were listed--you know, the books of a year's worth of bound magazines. There were 4 years that weren't in the system, though, I thought that was odd.

                                                                                                                                                                                        And I was disappointed that the Fine Cooking annuals (same thing, a year's worth of magazines hardbound) weren't in there. I rely on them alot, and while each year is indexed, I don't have an index for the whole collection. Otherwise I've been pretty lucky.

                                                                                                                                                                                        I must go load some more!

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                                                                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Jul 18, 2010 01:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          It's a heck of a lot of work, isn't it? But, it really pays off. Today, I'm cooking from a Bobby Flay book I've only cooked from once before and a Barefoot Contessa book I've never cooked from. Both as a result of doing an advanced recipe search on EYB.

                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't know if you care about cooking magazines in general, but I notice on the "community" page of EYB, on the right hand side about half the way down the page, they are running a survey on which magazines you'd like to see indexed...

                                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                            runwestierun Jul 18, 2010 02:56 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            Oooo, thanks, I didn't see that and I would really like to see them indexed. I really use Fine Cooking alot, and of course I loved Gourmet. I am finding that the annuals of Gourmet are in there, so that's a boon for me. Thanks for all your help, TDQ. I've got about 150 in there so far...still typing...

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                                                                                                                                                                                    4. pikawicca Jul 16, 2010 02:34 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      I like the idea, but the process of adding a cookbook to your book shelf is extremely cumbersome. Also, when I highlight a book in a search list, frequently I get bounced back to the search page, thereby wasting even more of my time. This site needs a ton of work.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen Jul 16, 2010 02:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        It does need a ton of work.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Have you tried using the "Import" feature to enter your books? All you have to do is type in the ISBN's of your books, which you can do 20 or 50 at a time or something like that. Then, once you press enter, it will tell you which ones are in their system and which aren't. For the ones that aren't in their system, they say they will research them and add them for you. (Although, I don't know how long this takes. It's not instantaneous.) For the ones that are in their system, boom, done, they are on your bookshelf.

                                                                                                                                                                                        ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                          pikawicca Jul 16, 2010 03:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          If I had an ISBN scanner, I would do this, but typing in long strings of numbers with total accuracy does not appeal.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            JoanN Jul 16, 2010 03:31 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            I understand not wanting to type in the ISBNs of all your cookbooks, but how else--other than a scanner--could you possibly expect to input your cookbook library? Sometimes you just have to do the work to reap the benefits. A lot of us are finding great benefits here, even with the existing problems. Sounds as though you don't think the effort would be worth it. Chacun . . . .

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                                                                                                                                                                                              Gio Jul 16, 2010 06:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                              I've been searching my books on Amazon where they have listed in the details both the 10 & 13 ISBN numbers for each book. Simply copy and paste into the Import box at EYB...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                JoanN Jul 16, 2010 06:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes. I've done the same. Especially for older pre ISBN books. Not perfect. Even Amazon sometimes list AISNs, the precursor to ISBNs. But slowly but surely I'm getting most of my books listed. And so be it for those that will probably never be listed. They tend to be books I use for reference rather than for recipes anyway.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  jen kalb Jul 16, 2010 09:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  its a lot easier to just type them in from the back of the book then to search, then cut and paste the number, believe me. it takes very little time per book - I usually do about 10 at a time and then review the result.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gio Jul 17, 2010 04:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks for your suggestion, Jen. But in my case my computer is on the second floor of the house and the kitchen is downstairs. Given my mobility problem it's impossible for me to carry anything upstairs much less a stack of books. I have used the cut and paste method for my cookbooks that have not yet been indexed. When I joined EYB and began to enter my books, I used the 2 screen method that TDQ described below. And yet I still find that many of my books are not in the EYB database.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      jen kalb Jul 17, 2010 05:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      I hear you.Gio.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      A lot of my books arent in it either, old books, regional books, foreign books. I guess its just a lot easier to get the new mass market books on there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Gio Jul 17, 2010 05:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        We must be in on the EYB soft opening. I'm sure the bugs or glitches or minor annoyances we're experiencing now will be solved in time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          JoanN Jul 17, 2010 06:22 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          The site was launched in September '09 but word only began to get out about it early this year. In fact, beetlebug was faster in discovering it than many professional review services. As I've said before, I think they've done a very impressive job of upgrading the site as quickly as possible and in responding to users concerns and suggestions in a timely fashion.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          It doesn't bother me as much as it seems to bother others that many of my books are not on the list for one reason or another. Those are books I use mostly as references rather than books I would be cooking from on a regular basis. What I love about the site is being pointed in a direction I might not otherwise have considered such as finding such a terrific recipe for blueberry jam in one of my Southern cookbooks rather than in any of my canning or portmanteau books or finding an equally terrific recipe to use up ingredients in the fridge in a book I'd never even cooked from before.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Gio Jul 17, 2010 06:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I love the site too, JoanN. It really doesn't bother me at all that there are books I own that are not yet indexed or in the database. I too am finding recipes from books i've hardly looked at much less cooked from.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Jul 17, 2010 06:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I agree. I know the site could be that much more useful if all of my books were indexed, but I am so thrilled with how much more use I'm getting out of the books I have, I'm not dwelling on the others. Plus, I understand why some of my obscure, old books aren't indexed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Jul 18, 2010 03:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              beetlebug is a true, trail-blazing chowhound!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                JoanN Jul 18, 2010 04:08 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hear, hear!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    pikawicca Jul 16, 2010 07:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    I would like an alphabetical list of books by category that have been indexed. I could simply click on the books I have and they would be added to my book shelf. Seems like a no-brainer. I am familiar with expending effort to reap a reward, thank you very much.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Jul 16, 2010 07:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      pikawicca, there is an alphabetical list of books that have been indexed, although, not by category. I agree your suggested method makes a lot of sense, but, since that doesn't appear to be an option at this time, what if you did this:

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Have two EYB windows open, one with the list of books that have been indexed and the other with the "import books" screen. Scroll down the list of books that have been indexed and when you find one of yours, cut and paste the ISBN into your "import books" screen?

                                                                                                                                                                                                      You can see the list of books that have been indexed either by title:
                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.eatyourbooks.com/media/2861/indexed%20books%20by%20title.htm

                                                                                                                                                                                                      or by author name
                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.eatyourbooks.com/media/118...

                                                                                                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        pikawicca Jul 17, 2010 05:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thanks for the helpful suggestion. I'll give it a try.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hank Hanover Jul 16, 2010 03:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Dairy Queen;

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Do you realize you have 25% of the posts on this string?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    runwestierun Jul 16, 2010 03:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                    She rocks! she is helping us all figure out how to use EYB!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      mebby Jul 16, 2010 09:21 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      For which we thank you, oh EYB Queen!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        LulusMom Jul 18, 2010 01:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Truly Goddess-like, our TDQ. I still haven't really had a chance to sit down and play with it yet (or enter all my cookbooks). Once school starts again, I'm hoping for a quiet couple of hours to reread this thread and play around a bit.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen Jul 17, 2010 02:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Transitive principle:

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I am obsessed with cookbooks. EYB facilitates cookbook obsession. Therefore, I am obsessed wtih EYB.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Actually, I wish I'd invented it myself. I had purchased a home scanner about a year ago with the hopes of scanning all of my cookbooks indices and making my own personal searchable index. For $50, it's way cheaper and easier to have EYB do it, though, I wish more of my books were indexed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I hope they make it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      jen kalb Jul 16, 2010 09:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Its faster and more precise to just use the import books feature to type in the ISBN numbers - I have just been pulling piles off my shelves. - you can input a whole group of number at one time and it goes a lot faster and is a lot more likely to result in your book being added to the bookshelf than the alternative search and add method..

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        mebby Jul 16, 2010 09:19 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I know that I have far fewer books than all of you, but -- even with bugs and frustrations -- it took me 30-45 minutes to set up my account and enter my books (30 books I know, but much of the frustration is in getting a system set up for entering and getting into the groove). The benefits long term are huge. Plus, I just think it's a cool idea and a good one to support. If nothing else, you could enter your top 100 in an hour or so and still see great benefits.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        KCrossland Jul 17, 2010 08:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                        I registered for the Lifetime membership after playing with the trial for a few weeks. I love this concept! I have 10 books that weren't recognized, 49 books that were listed and 22 of those were indexed. I'm hoping as the database grows that more of mine will be indexed and I'll volunteer to index some of my personal favorites as soon as I have a chunk of time to be able to do it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          Gio Jul 17, 2010 08:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Welcome aboard, KCrossland. The list of CHers at EYB grows by leaps and bounds...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          smtucker Jul 18, 2010 07:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Finally joined tonight. I am [so darn creative], smtucker... feel free to friend me. I am still a little overwhelmed by how much energy this will take to populate the database with information that is actually useful.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            runwestierun Jul 18, 2010 10:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I uploaded most of my ISBNs onto the site today and used the advanced search for the first time tonight. I have some fresh peas that I wanted to use in a risotto and I chose a whole pea and pureed pea recipe in an old Bobby Flay cookbook. It turned out great, and I never would have thought to look in that book for that recipe.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I really think the EYB site will save me money. So often I *should* use some ingredient in the fridge before it goes south but I so want to try some creative new recipe that uses other stuff. The result is I waste alot of food. I think EYB will help me focus on the ingredients I need to use up and find creative ways to use them. just so excited about this!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              flourgirl Jul 19, 2010 06:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                              That's one of things I love the most about EYB too. Helping me to use up ingredients that might otherwise have gone to waste. That was driving me crazy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've been on EYB for months now and I feel like I already got my money's worth out of it. I'm really glad I bought the lifetime membership.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              BTW, I'm "flourgirl" on EYB too. I originally had a different username but thought it would make sense to keep it the same as on CH to make it easier for others to find me, if they care to. :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Gio Jul 19, 2010 07:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Flourgirl, when you changed your user name did you lose your original friends and/or any other items? I'm JDP.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  flourgirl Jul 19, 2010 07:57 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi Gio,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I hadn't friended anybody yet, so I can't answer that question, but I didn't lose anything else. It seems like it's juat a simple change to your profile, it doesn't affect your account in any other way that I could see.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  mebby Jul 19, 2010 07:52 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  For those who have a different EYB name than CH, just curious if there is a particular reason or just happenstance? Also, has anyone experienced any benefits from "friending" on EYB other than general camaraderie? (Not that there's anything wrong with that.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And I agree with others -- I am most excited by EYB's ability to minimize my waste -- of both unused ingredients and unused cookbooks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gio Jul 19, 2010 09:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Flourgirl, thank you!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mebby, For myself using a different name was a spur of the moment thing. It's on my license plate. I could just as easily have used Gio. In fact I might change.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I haven't realized any benefits from having Friends on EYB since one can click on any name and see their Bookshelf. Does the one with the most friends win? LOL

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Jul 19, 2010 09:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think the benefits of having "EYB" friends is that you can search their bookshelves, too. So, if you can't find a recipe in your own cookbook collection, but if you find one in someone else's, you might be able to contact them and say, "Gio, can I get that X recipe from BAY'A" from you?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Gio Jul 19, 2010 09:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Right, I forgot that...That's a distinct benefit. Can you believe I haven't bought One cookbook this month?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          pikawicca Jul 19, 2010 09:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          But, but, but...it's already past the half-way mark.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        mirage Jul 19, 2010 02:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It was spur of the moment for me, too (I am cjb)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I tried to change my name, but I couldn't figure out how to do it! I'm a need-step-by-step-instruction kind of person, I guess.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LulusMom Jul 19, 2010 02:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Two clubs we belong to!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Gio Jul 19, 2010 06:25 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well, I am now Gio at EYB. I e-mailed The Powers that Be and my user name was changed from JDP to Gio. Ahhh... I can breathe again, But not quite. Everything is back to Zero. No books, no favorites and NO friends. Back ro square one. But not tonight...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              flourgirl Jul 19, 2010 06:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Gio, I don't understand why that happened. I just went into my profile, changed my name and I was done. All 425 of my books were still there. (I would have seriously freaked out if they had all disappeared from my bookshelf...)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              edit: Gio, I just checked your profile and it's showing tons of books on your bookshelf...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Rubee Jul 19, 2010 06:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Hi Gio!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I just checked. It kept you in my friends list but now it says Gio. There's also a list of cookbooks in your profile.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Caitlin McGrath Jul 19, 2010 06:48 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Gio, I just looked and you are on my friends list as Gio, and I can see your profile and bookshelf. So I don't think you've been zeroed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gio Jul 20, 2010 04:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Flourgirl, Rubee, Caitlin: many thanks for your replies! I just checked my page and I'm back to zero there. Curious that i'm still on your pages. I'll work it out in time.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Gio Jul 20, 2010 04:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      OK... all fixed. I simply logged out then logged back in. Everything is there. All's right with the world.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have to let you know how helpful Jane was in switching my names. She was in constant contact and stayed right with me via cyber-land till everything was completed. What a gal! I wish her and her sister all the very best and continued success with Eat Your Books..

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      smtucker Jul 19, 2010 09:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Feature Requests:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I would love to see who else has selected a specific recipe in a book as a favorite.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I would love to see what recipes have been flagged in a book in my booklist as a favorite and by whom.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        flourgirl Jul 19, 2010 09:44 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Excellent ideas!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JoanN Jul 20, 2010 04:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          A suggestion. I wonder if it wouldn’t be in all of our best interests if those of us on CH who have committed to EYB moved at least some of the conversation, especially recommendations and requests for new features and problems with existing features, over to the EYB Web site. Chowhound restrictions against promotion would, I think, make it very difficult for Jane to respond here and to tell us what's in the works for the future. And EYB clearly has an audience beyond CH and those members might have more experience with the site and might better be able to offer answers to some of our questions.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Gio Jul 20, 2010 05:42 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            That's a good idea Joan\N. Thank you for voicing it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                          italy531 Jul 19, 2010 10:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I joined a while ago and really need to spend some time using it. I know it will be really valuable.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Karen_Schaffer Jul 20, 2010 02:14 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Okay, I finally started reading this post, and what a cool idea! I've joined as KarenS, and issued invitations to all of you I could figure out. (There's 2 names that I'm not sure who they are, but since all of you have them on your lists, I figure one must be TDQ, and other must be some other Chowhound.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I look forward to populating my bookshelf!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Jul 20, 2010 02:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Good guess!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                pikawicca Jul 20, 2010 08:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Ah, you must be the inviter who disappeared (not "LindaS) when I tried to accept you. You just vanished.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. roxlet Jul 21, 2010 06:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm doing the trial membership, and I have to say that I am having rather a difficult time navigating the web site. Yesterday I was on a page where you can highlight the ISBNs of your book to facilitate entering them. Today, for the life of me, I cannot find that page. I went to their "How to Search" page and it says to sign into "Librarything" I don't find that, but I find Library, and it is a search function, which is fine, but it's not what I am looking for. Also, if you find a friend who has friends you'd like to friend, you can't just click on the friend and send a request. I think it will be great once the kinks are ironed out, but I find it to be very non-intuitive.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Jul 21, 2010 07:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Completely agree. It is very non-intuitive and inconsistent. Still, now that I'm used to the kinks, I'm getting a lot of use out of it. Not as much as I could, but enough to be worthwhile. But the kinks are very frustrating.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm not sure which page you're refering to to highlight ISBN's...there's the "Import Books" feature that enables you to type in the ISBN's of books in order to input them. You get there by the menu on the left.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If you want to cut and paste ISBN's from the listing of "indexed" books, you can have two screens open: the aforementioned "Import Books" and this page: http://www.eatyourbooks.com/media/286...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  You get there from the main page by clicking on "View by Book Title" nearish to the right hand side of the page where it says:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The EYB Library is growing every day!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Over 1,200 books have been indexed and we're adding more all the time!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  View latest 100 Books » [THIS IS THE PAGE I CHECK OBSESSIVELY TO SEE IF ANYTHING NEW HAS BEEN INDEXED. NOTHING FOR A WEEK OR TWO NOW...].

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  View by Book Title »

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  View by Author Name »

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    roxlet Jul 21, 2010 08:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks TDQ. I finally did figure this out (the main page list) though it really should be on the library page I would think! I have a lot of books that aren't on this I think -- at least I haven't identified them yet!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Jul 21, 2010 08:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The most useful, of course, is when your books have been indexed (that is, when they've gone through and inventories all of the recipes and all of the ingredients). Even if your book hasn't been indexed, if it's in the system, you can use the "Comments" to keep a running list of things like your favorite recipes, etc. (although beware that your comments are public, though I don't know if they are necessarily attributable to you AND there's a 1000 character limit).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If you use the "import books" feature to input the ISBN's of any cookbooks you have that aren't in their system, supposedly, that triggers them to go and research the book and add it in. I did this a couple of months ago and last time I checked--maybe a month ago--none of mine had been added to the system yet. I should go back and see, but I guess it could take awhile.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        roxlet Jul 21, 2010 09:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sounds like that is a waste of time -- if you're waiting more than a couple of months, it would seem that they have other priorities other than adding the books that members suggest. And what's with what seems to be the complete Rachel Ray "cannon" and no Ada Boni and only one Giuliano Bugialli? There are so many books I use and love that seemingly didn't make the cut. Lots of Frugal Gourmet books, though. Didn't that guy go to jail?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          buttertart Jul 21, 2010 09:10 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Accused but not convicted I believe.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            runwestierun Jul 21, 2010 09:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Re: the Rachel Ray cannon: I think RR featured the site on her show recently, so it would only be polite to have her books indexed. And please be patient. Jane and Fiona have made it very clear that they are still in beta, that is why they are offering the cheap lifetime membership, to reward those willing to help them work out the kinks. I'm sure alot of their time is spent improving the website. I have complete faith that books will get indexed. It is only in their best interest to do so.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Jul 21, 2010 09:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Somewhere on their website (community page, perhaps?) they mention they are being featuring in RR magazine or on the website or something like that this month, so, they indexed all of her books.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I actually own RR's first book, the one she published before she was a food network star, and one of the biggest problems I have with it is that it does not contain an index. No index at all! It has a table of contents, but that doesn't really enable you to say, hmmm...., I have a lot of broccoli on hand. Are there any broccoli recipes in this book? So, I've never used it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I was actually pretty psyched when I saw that book was indexed. It doesn't look terrible, actually. I mean, none of these recipes are going to blow your mind, but if you're under the gun on a weeknight, there's some decent ideas in there.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The Dairy Queen Jul 21, 2010 10:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I just wanted to make a clarification about the difference between having a book INDEXED and having a book listed in the system.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Indexing is when they inventory all of the recipes and ingredients from a particular book. Only some books get indexed (right now, about 1200 books out of almost 80,000 books listed.) My understanding is that they decide to index books based on user interest. I think it's basically a "voting" feature. The more people that "vote" to have a book indexed by clicking on RI "request index," for that book, the more likely it is that the book will get indexed. But, they say that it's possible the book may never get indexed if there's not enough interest, relatively speaking. They say if a book is really important to you, they will let you index it yourself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I have the feeling that some of my older, more obscure, regional cookbooks will never get indexed because there will never be enough general interest in those books, compared to the latest and great exciting books coming out (such as the new Dorie Greenspan and new Nick Malgieri, for instance) that have national and international interest.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                On the other hand, my understanding is that you can request that any cookbook be listed in their system--even old, obscure, regional ones--and they will accommodate, as long as you give them the ISBN using that "Import Books" feature.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It's that second step, waiting for a book to be listed in the system, that I did a couple of months ago that I need to check back in on. I checked after about 30 days and they hadn't done it yet. But, in that same period of time, they also have gone from 17,000 books to 80,000 books in that time, and indexed a bunch of books. So, I can see they are making progress on things. So, I'm not too worried. They say they are working on a bunch of system enhancements, so, I figure they are busy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So, back to my original point, if you have a book you like a lot that you think might never be indexed, then it might be helpful to use the "comments" section for that books to make any notes about favorite recipes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I hope this helps, rather than confuses. :).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Gio Jul 21, 2010 11:18 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  TDQ, bear in mind that only books published after 1970 have ISBN numbers.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    The Dairy Queen Jul 21, 2010 11:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Fortunately (or unforunately as the case may be), I only have about a dozen of those books (church and "community" cookbooks aside), so, it's not a big problem for me. I imagine there are some who have been collecting cookbooks longer than I have for whom this might be a problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I figure the first step is getting your book LISTED in the system. If you can't even get it listed, there's probably almost no hope they will ever index it. That's my theory.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    roxlet Jul 21, 2010 12:41 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes TDQ, thanks for clarifying that distinction! You really are the go-to gal on this it seems! But what is the benefit of having a book listed in their system if it is not indexed? That is the part that I don't quite get...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Jul 21, 2010 12:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I think the benefit is only minimal, honestly, unless you use it as a way to keep track of all of the books you own. It has that "locations" feature, which seems like it could be interesting. (I don't use that feature. But, I hear of hounds who have part of their cookbook collection in storage and that sort of thing. If you're one of those people, this feature might be useful to you.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And, of course, back to my point that if it's in the system, it has a hope of being indexed. Not in the system, no hope.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And, finally, as I was saying before, if a book is in their system, but not indexed, you could use the "comments" field for that book to keep track of things: recipes you want to try, recipes you like, recipes to avoid, that sort of thing. I wish they gave you more than 1000 characters, though. It's not a perfect solution, but it might be better than nothing, depending on your needs.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        roxlet Jul 21, 2010 01:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        All the books that I have put in the system thus far (all the ones that I could find), are indexed, which is weird! But I'm happy about that since that is about 1/3 of my collection or so.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Jul 21, 2010 01:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          WOW, 100%? That is very impressive. You must choose your cookbooks very carefully as I have the feeling they focus their efforts on indexing only "classic" or high profile books.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          46% of my books are in indexed. (Don't make me confess how I know this. I don't want you all to know how geek-tactular I really am.)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JoanN Jul 21, 2010 01:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Here's another way to look at it. The site's been up for, what, 7 months? There are now more than twelve hundred books indexed? That's a rate of 170+ books a month. I think that's damned impressive. And, as TDQ says, if you input them now, you won't have to worry about keeping track of what you've input and what you haven't. It will just show up automatically as soon as it's indexed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Caitlin McGrath Jul 21, 2010 01:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And if ownership affects indexing priority, all the more reason to input your not-yet-indexed books.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            JoanN Jul 21, 2010 01:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Excellent point.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      nomadchowwoman Jul 21, 2010 11:21 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      He died several years ago.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Gio Jul 21, 2010 09:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Don't forget we can Request Index of any book not yet on the list. It's the blue RI icon to the right of the book. That opens your e-mail page. I simply Send with no additional comment.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen Jul 21, 2010 10:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        True, although there's no guarantee that the book will ever be indexed. I personally think it's a popularity contest... The more "RI" requests a book gets, the more likely it will be indexed. Also, I suspect all "high profile" books will be made a priority for indexing, James Beard winners, that sort of thing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          smtucker Jul 21, 2010 11:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I wish that they had chosen to simply count the number of bookshelves a particular book was on, and made their index decisions based on this simple data-mining technique. But, I will start to hi that RI button to make sure my "needs" are being taken into account.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The Dairy Queen Jul 21, 2010 11:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I agree! I only RI'd my highest priority books--maybe a dozen of them-- as I didn't want to throw a bunch of useless votes that might dilute the ones I really want indexed. I hope that turns out to be a good strategy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              nomadchowwoman Jul 21, 2010 11:23 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Did you have to do anything special to "RI"? My computer won't allow me to do it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The Dairy Queen Jul 21, 2010 11:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                No, nothing special as far as I can tell. "RI" brings up a pre-populated email window. Perhaps just email them directly?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              JoanN Jul 21, 2010 11:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Somewhere among the blog posts on the site Jane specifically says "We index books according to how many members own the books." So that is just what they do.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                The Dairy Queen Jul 21, 2010 01:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Good to know, Joan!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  flourgirl Jul 21, 2010 02:22 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The number of requests they get to index a particular book also affects the priority given to a particular book. Or at least that's what I remember reading.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    JoanN Jul 21, 2010 02:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I'm sure that's probably true. Does that mean that all CHers could gang up and request that some obscure book we all own be indexed?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Jul 21, 2010 03:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm guessing that since we all own a bunch of books in common (COTM's for starters) that already tilts the scale in our collective favor. And, then, yeah, if we each also indicate via "RI" that we want X book that we all own in common indexed, it could sway the results of their algorithm.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      How many of us COTM'ers are there, do you think? I counted about 22 votes for this month (by the way--is it still a tie for August?). There are some people who have obstained for whatever reason. Plus, there are lurkers, I'm sure.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So, what, are there 50 of us? Maybe 20 or so of us on EYB?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Gio Jul 21, 2010 04:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh more than 20 TDQ. I have 22 friends to date. CHs all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3. pikawicca Jul 21, 2010 03:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Apologies if this has already been asked, but how do I read thhers' comments on books I own?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    (1 comment is listed for "Plenty," for example, but I can't figure out how to see it.)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JoanN Jul 21, 2010 03:27 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Perhaps this will help:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://www.eatyourbooks.com/my-eyb/bo...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        beetlebug Jul 21, 2010 03:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Click on the book title. Then, you will see 4 tabs (recipes, book detail, ratings and comments and other bookshelves). Click on the comments tab to view the comments.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        BTW, when you click on other bookshelves, that's where it gets interesting, at least to me. They first list your friends who own the same cookbook, then it lists everyone else who also owns that cookbook. But, they list it in order of people who have the most books in common with you.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Jul 21, 2010 04:10 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It's so fascinating to look at other people's bookshelves--even those of complete strangers. Who knew?!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            pikawicca Jul 21, 2010 04:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thank you for helping to preserve my sanity (such as it is).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. The Dairy Queen Jul 22, 2010 08:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          A new batch of books has been indexed, including Mai Pham's "Pleasures of the Vietnamese Table," former COTM. Woohoo!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          There's a book that's been indexed called "Roast Figs, Sugar Snow: Winter Food to Warm the Soul" by Diana Henry that sounds kind of cozy and intriguing. The title kind of reminds me of "Blue eggs and Yellow Tomatoes" that pikawicca nominated a couple of months ago, but for the other half of the year. Not much about this book on Amazon. Anyone heard of this book or (British) author?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Gio Jul 22, 2010 08:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Only heard about this book from EYB listings, but here's an excerpt, some recipes and a side bar about the author:
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.culinate.com/books/book_ex...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            BTW: That new list has been up for a week or two. Pay attention...J/K

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The Dairy Queen Jul 22, 2010 09:04 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Are you sure? With the Pham book? I've been checking it every day. Was my screen not refreshed?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I thought that AMy's Breads or whatever was the most recent until some time yesterday.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                JaneEYB Jul 22, 2010 10:15 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                You are right TDQ, the new list just went up yesterday. I don't own any Diana Henry books though they are on my wishlist. Top of the list is Crazy Water, Pickled Lemons (she picks great titles) which is Middle East/Mediterranean/North Africa. As well as developing great recipes she is a good food writer. I can feel my fingers twitching to the Buy Book button as I describe it!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Jul 22, 2010 10:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Someone in the comments in the link Gio provided mentioned Crazy Water, Pickled Lemons. I'm intrigued, indeed. Am going to have to look into that more.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            smtucker Jul 23, 2010 08:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I have had a blast [clearly my life is empty!] seeing what books you all own in common with me. But even more interesting is the ones I don't own. In particular, I see that a lot of you own some Rick Bayless books. Now I love his shows on PBS but can never keep track of which book belongs to which season.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If I were to buy ONE Bayless book, which of the books on your bookshelf would you recommend?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              nomadchowwoman Jul 23, 2010 08:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The one I use most often is an earlier one "Mexican Kitchen," which isn't linked to a TV show. I LOVE this book. Second favorite is what I think is his first, "Authentic Mexican." But I don't own his newest ones. (I'll be in Chicago week after next so I am looking forward to eating at his restaurants--where maybe I'll just have to pick up one of the newest ones, esp. now that I have this nifty EYB index! Oh, how I love this rationale for expanding the cookbook library.)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                buttertart Jul 23, 2010 09:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Go to Topolobampo, it's one of my top ten anywhere. I love that place.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  nomadchowwoman Jul 23, 2010 10:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Me too, BT--we've been many times. DH likes Frontera better, so we usually compromise and do both.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I've eaten Mexican food in a lot of places, and I think Topolobampo's food is the best I've ever had. (Now, I've haven't eaten in that many restaurants in Mexico, so if I ever get a chance to spend much time there, I may change my mind--but I'll be researching Bayless's work for recs, that's for sure.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    smtucker Jul 23, 2010 10:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Going to both is the compromise? Oh, cry me a river! I would love to eat at both, but I never have a reason to go to Chicago.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      nomadchowwoman Jul 23, 2010 10:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      No tears shed at all ;)
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But you can probably get the idea about how well we compromise on certain issues (and how the marriage has lasted). The original compromise, btw, was that if most August vacations were going to be spent visiting (his) family, we were going to spend a few days (eating) in Chicago! We practically stumbled upon Frontera Grill one day many years ago--and what a revelation.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      buttertart Jul 23, 2010 10:14 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I haven't been to Mexico but the food at Topo is special Mexican or not!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Rubee Jul 23, 2010 11:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ""Mexican Kitchen" is my favorite of the Bayless books too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    JoanN Jul 23, 2010 08:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Do you have any of Diana Kennedy's books? If you do, I'd probably recommend "Mexican Kitchen." If not, "Authentic Mexican." The latter is the classic, with lots and lots of info about the cuisine and the ingredients. The former is more recipes, and I think more accessible. I wouldn't recommend "One Plate at a Time" which I took out of the library and cooked from a bit but decided not to buy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    See this thread for other opinions http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/473069 and this thread http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/3390... for a discussion among those who cooked from "One Plate" when it was Cookbook of the Month.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      smtucker Jul 23, 2010 12:55 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I don't have any of the Kennedy books. For now, I have ordered Mexican Kitchen and Authentic Mexican through my library system. I will play around with both books while the ingredients are in season and then choose which [or both] books I might want to purchase.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If the COTM has done one thing for me, it is that I now use my library again! And the fact that I can sit at home, navigate the collection of the entire system and then receive an email letting me know that the book has arrived is exactly what the internet should be!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JoanN Jul 23, 2010 01:02 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I think that's the perfect solution because you really can use the two books in conjunction with one another. It's not at all unusual that something will pique my interest in Kitchen and send me running to Authentic to look it up in more detail.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And I couldn't agree more about the library. My local branch is only two blocks away, but it's very small and the collection almost laughable. If it weren't for the Internet I wouldn't use it at all.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Gio Jul 23, 2010 09:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The only Bayless I have is Mexican Everyday: Easy, Full-Flavored, Tradition-Packed. I have made several recipes and liked every one. This was before we did the Diane Kennedy month. What I like about the book is that he gives variations and substitutions for most of the recipes and that's a great help. For the slow-cooked foods, although he gives the method for cooking it the traditional way, he has no hesitation suggesting the use of a crockpot. We've had salads, fish tacos, several meat/chicken dishes all not terribly time consuming but very tasty. JoanN's suggestion was one I was going to make. The main discussion of One Plate... was candid, to say the least.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen Jul 23, 2010 09:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I do not own any Rick Bayless (his COTM was before I started participating), but on the recommendation of several 'hounds, I checked Mexican Everyday out of the library, specifically in search of crockpot recipes. I have made several of them and have been very pleased with the results. In fact, based on my experience with his crock pot recipes, I have changed how I crock pot in general, with good results.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        EDIT: funny, I just looked at the main discussion of One Plate that Gio was referring to. I noticed that DiningDiva mentioned that she thought Bayless's crockpot times were too long. Funny, they are MUCH shorter than most other crockpot cooking times I'd encountered in the past and that is one of the main changes I've made in my crockpot cooking, is shortening times in general. I wonder if I should make them even shorter? HA!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And, smtucker, isn't it surprisingly fascinating to look at other people's shelves?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          smtucker Jul 23, 2010 01:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          DQ, It is strangely fascinating. It is the virtual equivalent of reviewing what are in people's bookcases in their living room or what lives on the pantry shelves. If the bookshelf is covered with Danielle Steele or your pantry has 12 boxes of Betty Crocker, sadly, I know we will never be best friends.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Truly, it is like having 20 people who are recommending their personal favorites. I sure hope that there comes a time when favorite cookbooks and recipes will be viewable by people on your friend list.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            flourgirl Jul 23, 2010 01:12 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sadly, I have the reverse of this happen all the time. My cookbook collection (over 500 books and counting) occupies three huge bookcases in my living room (with overflow in various stacks around the house.) It fascinates me (if in a sad kind of way) that practically no one who comes in my house EVER bothers to look at the books - which are centrally located and can't be missed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I also can't tell you how very few people I know actually have many books of any kind in their homes at all. It's just weird. It seems like a lot of people view them as "clutter."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              JaneEYB Jul 23, 2010 01:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              If I came to your house you'd have to pry me away from the bookshelves. But I know what you mean, very few people who come to my house want to study my bookshelves. So it's great we have CH where we can meet fellow cookbook obsessives (sorry, I meant collectors).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              When I was just over in London I visited someone with 3,700 cookbooks and I really wanted to spend an hour just looking at all her bookshelves (all over the house as you can imagine).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                flourgirl Jul 23, 2010 03:38 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I meant to add that to my post, "thank goodness for CH and EYB..." but I had to run and forgot. :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                3700 cookbooks?!?! THAT must have been something to see! And I LOVE hearing about people with such massive collections - not only because it gives me the validation I sometimes crave for having such a large collection of cookbooks myself (when no one else in "real" life that I know has anything that can even compare) - but it also makes me feel connected to this far flung group of like-minded individuals.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  flourgirl Jul 24, 2010 12:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  And Jane, if you're ever in the Hunterdon, NJ area, come on by, check 'em out and I'll cook for you!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    JaneEYB Jul 24, 2010 01:52 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks flourgirl - if I ever get down that way I'll take you up on your generous offer.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      roxlet Jul 24, 2010 03:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I love Hunterdon County! I have spent many happy weekends with a friend in Lebanon. And Flemington. Love Flemington!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JoanN Jul 24, 2010 03:23 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sounds like it might be time for a road trip to visit flourgirl's library. And we can stop at the Le Creuset outlet while we're there. Won't even ask her to prepare a meal. Who's in?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          roxlet Jul 24, 2010 03:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Meeee! I can drive!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            runwestierun Jul 24, 2010 11:33 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            GAWD! A Le Creuset outlet! We don't even have freakin' supermarkets here. I am so jealous! But I married a mountain man...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          flourgirl Jul 25, 2010 04:59 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Well, it just so happens that I live in Flemington,Can't wait to see all of you! And we'd just have to take a group trip to the Le Creuset outlet (I just bought myself a 6 qt oval oven in caribbean blue a couple of weeks ago...).

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            anilyn Jul 25, 2010 09:30 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi! Lurker here. I have been reading COTM and EYB posts with great interest for a while and thought I should perhaps jump in here. I signed up for EYB lifetime membership and have had a great time using the site. There are a few wrinkles but overall I am having the same experience as many of you -- using books I own but may never have cooked from. I am also using up produce and leftovers more effectively and generally just getting more enjoyment from my investment in some lovely books that have heretofore been merely "collected" rather than used. HOWEVER, it did *require* a new acquisition: a cookbook holder with splatter guard. I love my books and have avoided taking some of them into the kitchen where they could get messed up (crazy, I know!). It sounds like many of you live near one another. I am on the far west coast of Canada, myself. Thanks for all your interesting posts so far.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              mebby Jul 25, 2010 10:28 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Welcome, Anita. As a reformer lurker myself, I encourage you to jump in to COTM (as you have already with EYB) -- much more rewarding than lurking!. Complete Asian Cookbook for this month looks like an interesting one. BTW, it may just look from this thread as though folks are closer geographically than they are -- some are on the east coast of US, others are scattered all over the US, outside US , on west coast (like me) -- and I believe in-person get togethers are not that common, but it's a close crowd nonetheless.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                beetlebug Jul 26, 2010 05:50 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Welcome Anita,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Please come cook with us. It's amazing how cooking changes when you share your experiences with others. Plus, the asian cookbooks tend to generate a lot of discussion about techniques and ingredients.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                HC hounds are spread all over the place. But, the shared experience seems to make us seem geographically closer then we really are.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Jul 26, 2010 07:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Do join us, Anita! We are already a bit of an international group participating in COTM, including greedygirl, who is in the UK, and some former Canadians as well as some current Canadians who occasionally pop in depending on their interest.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The more the merrier!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. buttertart Jul 26, 2010 08:31 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  This expatriate Canadian is continually astonished by the industry my fellow cookbook junkies are expending on the EYB site. I can't even get it together to swap the books I want from upstairs with the ones I thought I wanted downstairs! I intended to inventory while packing and that went by the boards too. Sigh.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    beetlebug Jul 26, 2010 08:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I *think* you can organize by location on EYB. Meaning, you can assign your cookbooks to upstairs and downstairs on EYB. The intent was if you have cookbooks at the summer house or winter house and this way you know where that book is. Since I only have one location (teeny tiny kitchen shelf), I haven't played with that function yet.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      mebby Jul 26, 2010 08:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      BT, I think you will quickly become addicted once you try it and all of our quibbles here make it sound more difficult than it really is. Take an hour and throw 30 or so of your books in there on a free trial and take it for a test drive. It's much more fun than lugging books up and down stairs and therefore a little more motivating!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        buttertart Jul 26, 2010 08:58 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'll try!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          pikawicca Jul 27, 2010 04:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Yeah, I'm not moving my books, just "locating" them in sunroom, tv room. computer room, rec room, etc.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        OK, so I have a flat of fresh apricots that my husband bought at Costo. They're actually pretty good, but there is no way that they are all getting eaten before they spoil since they are sitting next to a flat of delicious peaches. I decided to see what I could make with them on Eat Your Books, and I discovered a real problem. It seems that I cannot specifically search for Apricots-Fresh. Instead, I get approximately 68 pages in which apricots appear as any kind of ingredient -- from preserves to dried apricots. I do not see a way for me to filter the results either according to the main ingredient or the kind of thing I want to cook -- in this case, some sort of pie, crisp, or crumble. Am I missing something? To go through 68 pages of possible recipes is, IMO, not much different than going through my bookcase!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          beetlebug Jul 27, 2010 03:54 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          When I did the search, there was a category for "apricots - fresh." As you type in the ingredient, options start appearing below the box where you are typing. It gives you a bunch of options and then recipes where it is the main ingredient. If you hit return, then every single recipe with apricots will appear.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          There may be an easier way through the advanced search. But, try the above search first.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          MMMM, fresh apricots.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            KCrossland Jul 27, 2010 03:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I had the same experience - when I went to advanced search, I typed apricots into the ingredient and I had a choice of jam, juice, preserved, fresh and dried to pick from. Who knew I had books with so many recipes for fresh apricots. I might have to visit Costco myself tomorrow!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              beetlebug Jul 27, 2010 04:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I just did a quick search in your library, for "apricots - fresh" and 134 recipes popped up. Still too many but if you go to advanced search, you can then narrow it down to what you want to those luscious apricots for. There are some lovely sounding desserts though.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                beetlebug Jul 27, 2010 04:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                What you can also do is to check off the recipes that sound interesting to you and either save under "do later" where each recipe is listed under the "do later" folder. Or, save to "menus" where you can then create an "apricot" folder."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I'm about to look up apricot cream under Marcella Hazan's book.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                BTW, apricot, to me, is one of those words, that the more you look at it, the funnier it looks. I'm a bit weak with hunger so I know I'm babbling.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                roxlet Jul 27, 2010 04:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Is there any way to use the advanced search to look through your own library only? I've tried it a couple of times, and I keep on getting EYB library recipes even though I have started out indicating I wanted to use my library.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  beetlebug Jul 27, 2010 05:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes. This may not be the fastest way to get there, but it's how I do it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Left hand column, under "My Bookshelf"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Middle click on "My recipes" (default is "My cookbooks"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  then click on "Advanced Search"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  That should search for your own library.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    beetlebug Jul 27, 2010 05:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Another quicker way to do it is this:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If you click on any of the searches, you get to the search function. You can just click on "advanced search" from any of these search areas. Then, on the bottom, there are these drop down menus for "Sort by," "Author," "Title" and "Search In."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    In the "Search in" box, just scroll down to "My bookshelf." You can also use this to search in any of your friends' bookshelves.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      roxlet Jul 27, 2010 05:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      OK, finally got it with only 5 pages to look through (vs. some 40 or so the first time). Thanks everyone!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JoanN Jul 27, 2010 05:05 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      My Bookshelf > My Recipes > Advanced Search.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Not sure why you'd be getting kicked back to the EYB library. I've never had that happen.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        mebby Jul 27, 2010 06:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I've had the same experience as JoanN -- the tabs can be a bit unintuitive initially, but once you find the right path I've been able to do some pretty specific searches, without any reference to books other than my own. I too, however, would like a "show all" button -- I feel like managing the number of results per page is a throw-back to dial-up -- who can't handle a list these days?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Roxlet, I'll be interested to hear if this nets any good results for you in the end, food-wise, not just recipe-wise -- since that's the proof in the pudding, as it were!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          roxlet Jul 28, 2010 04:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I definitely have some good choices and I am between an apricot crumb cake and an apricot sour cream pie. Once I got the search down, it definitely resulted in some books that I wouldn't have thought to look in. For example, one recipe came from Marion Cunningham's The Breakfast Book, which I never think of as a baking book but that has quite a few delicious-sounding recipes for what I would term breakfast pastries.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Here is how I have managed:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        EYB Library --> EYB Recipes [tab] --> Advanced Search [text link] --> At the end of that form --> Sort by [ ] Then [ ] Then [ ] Search In [Select My Bookshelf from Pop Up list]

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JoanN Jul 27, 2010 04:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, it took me a while to figure it out. I was getting frustrated by the number of hits I was getting. But as beetlebug says, check the options in the drop-down list. Not only does that list point you in the direction you want to go, it points you in the direction you definitely do NOT want to go. Over on advanced search, you can put in not only include this ingredient, but don't include these ingredients.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      For example. This afternoon I was looking for what to do with salmon at a friend's house next weekend. Not sure just what I'll be able to buy, but I know it won't be smoked, canned, or steaks. I also know it will be a main course rather than an appetizer. I was able to exclude the types of salmon I didn't want from the search and was able to narrow it further by eliminating appeitzers. Granted, I still had 16 pages of salmon recipes. I could have narrowed that list further by specifying, for instance, books published since 1990 which would have eliminated a lot of books I probably wasn't going to use in this instance anyway.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Imagine how many cookbooks you would have lined up opened to pages here and there those 16 pages would have represented!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        New feature request: ability to select HOW many results to see per page plus a SHOW ALL option. And until that happens, the ability to export to a .tab file to manipulate in another application.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JoanN Jul 27, 2010 05:18 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          There seems to be a SHOW ALL option if the result is fewer than maybe three pages? Not sure just what the threshold is, but I have seen it pop up once or twice. It wouldn't be a problem if (1) you could go from page 1 to page 2 to page 3 etc. without losing your checkmarks, or (2) if the site was faster. I must say it was a bit of a pain going through 16 pages of salmon recipes and only being able to add to my "menu" the recipes that were on that page. It was still better, and a lot faster, than pulling what? 25 books off the shelves?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          LOVE the idea of being able to export to a .tab file. Super idea.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            roxlet Jul 28, 2010 04:13 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I had 5 pages and I could "Show All."

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      smtucker Jul 27, 2010 05:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      And I found a recipe to try tonight from a cookbook I have never cooked from before! It was a simple dressing, and I didn't cook the veggies as called for, but shock of shocks, the husband liked it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This is success based on my criteria for the site! Whoohooo!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen Jul 27, 2010 06:00 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Woohoo!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Just tried to add "The Flexitarian Table" to My Bookshelf. It showed up in the EYB Library, but when I clicked to add it, I got "you have added 0 books..." What am I doing wrong?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Jul 28, 2010 08:45 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          For what it's worth, I just looked at your EYB shelf and Flex Table is on there. Even though you got a weird message (that I can't explain), it seems to have been added to your shelf.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Can you see it on your shelf now?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            pikawicca Jul 28, 2010 08:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Thanks, TDQ!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            JaneEYB Jul 28, 2010 08:48 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            If the book is already on your Bookshelf (as this one is) then it can't be added again. Books on your Bookshelf don't appear in the EYB Library. The new search that will launch in a few weeks will change this - the Library will be all books and those on your Bookshelf will have an BK icon. Hope this helps.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              pikawicca Jul 28, 2010 08:55 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Thank you, Jane. The new feature will help scatterbrains such as myself.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                roxlet Jul 28, 2010 09:02 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I actually managed to put a couple of books on my bookshelf two times, and then, when I went through my list, I just deleted them. Also, I did have the same problem with adding the book to my bookshelf, pikawicca, and then I realized that there is a little box where you have to check it off.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Karen_Schaffer Jul 28, 2010 10:11 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I currently have a glut of cucumbers from my garden and am looking for new and interesting salad ideas. But when I do a search on 'Salads, cucumber', I get a lot of recipes that only use cucumber as a peripheral ingredient (e.g. Chickpea salad with coriander and cumin, Chilled mung bean noodles with dulse and crushed peanuts). Is there a tricky way to find recipes that use cucumbers as a main ingredient?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                beetlebug Jul 28, 2010 11:05 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I just re-discovered this recipe last week, thanks to EYB. I made a straight cuke salad. If you're interested, I'll put the proportions in the original thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/427000?tag=highlight-2823663;post-content-2823663#2823663

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My other cuke mainstay is from Dunlop's cookbooks - smacked cukes and spicy cucumber salad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/494661?tag=highlight-3453145;post-content-3453145#3453145

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/4946...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                As for a trick to searching for recipes, try this. As you type in the ingredient, options start appearing below the box where you are typing. It gives you a bunch of options and then recipes where it is the main ingredient. If you hit return, then every single recipe with cucumbers will appear.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Gio Jul 28, 2010 11:12 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  BB... as I typed in the ingredient I was searching for in the Advanced Search (in my recipes) earlier, the drop down list had every kind of bean under the sun Exept the one i was looking for: Green beans...I just laughed.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    JoanN Jul 28, 2010 11:32 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I noticed that a few days ago as well. I typed in "beans" and could find neither "green" nor "string." However, if I typed in "string," it responded with 11 recipes for "beans-string." Certainly I have more than 11 recipes for string beans. Very odd. So then I typed in "beans-green" and it returned 33 pages of recipes. I don't understand why "green" didn't appear as a sub-category when "beans" was typed in. Perhaps it's just some kind of a glitch.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Gio Jul 28, 2010 11:36 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      LoL.. The same thing happened a few days ago when I typed in Bulgur. Absolutely nothing came up. But when I typed in another spelling, Bulghur, a quatrazillion recipes showed and... some with my original spelling..

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Karen_Schaffer Jul 28, 2010 11:16 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks! And yes, I'd love to see the proportions when you have a chance to add them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      beetlebug Jul 28, 2010 11:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/4270...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Let me know if you want the Dunlop ones as well.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. meatn3 Aug 6, 2010 05:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Wow! I wasn't able to make it through the entire thread, but what I read lit a fire under me and I signed up for the 30 day trail. Slogging my way through my book shelves...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Thanks for all the input!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Beetlebug, thanks for bringing this news to CH!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I've been entering a shelf an evening, just the books which show in their listings. The ones not in their data base are becoming an ever larger series of stacks to be dealt with later.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    This is such a wonderful tool! Over the years I've become more computer oriented when searching for new cooking ideas. I also have been thumbing through my cookbooks less due to the lack of one central place to keep them. This data base is going to let me take fuller advantage of the books in my collection.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    How fantastic of them to make this concept a reality!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Perhaps I'll "see" some of you there!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The Dairy Queen Aug 8, 2010 04:16 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Welcome to my obsession. :).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        meatn3 Aug 8, 2010 05:43 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Thank you! I can't stop playing around with this. My SO is impressed with my data entry focus!
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        At this point I am wishing you could search a bit by category rather than just by ingredient. But I am so pleased with having such quick access to what I already have. At this point I've listed 139 books, 42 of which have been indexed. I suspect my indexed ratio will increase as I add more - I haven't dragged my computer into the kitchen yet. That is where I store my most frequently used books. I've also held off entering Time Life series books - just doing the easy one now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sorry, excitement gets me in a rambling mode. :-D

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          JoanN Aug 8, 2010 05:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You think you're excited now? Wait until you start finding the absolutely perfect recipe in a book you haven't opened in years for an ingredient you want to use tonight. It's not an exaggeration to say it's life-changing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            mebby Aug 8, 2010 10:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Joan, you are an EYB testimonial waiting to happen -- if I saw that quote I'd sign up immediately (if I hadn't just signed up for a lifetime membership two days ago). Happy cooking to one and all!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      smtucker Aug 8, 2010 05:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have given them my hard-earned money. Why? I have now made recipes from three books that have sat on my shelf looking lovely, but have never been actually used. And the bonus? They were all absolutely delicious!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      There are still some features I hope will be added; there are still some bugs; but for my money, this site has already earned the full cost of a lifetime membership. Now, if they would create the option to give this as a gift, I know at least 10 people who would get a membership for Christmas.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        pikawicca Aug 8, 2010 06:34 PM

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          runwestierun Aug 8, 2010 07:54 PM

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            mebby Aug 8, 2010 10:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            +++++++++++!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              roxlet Aug 9, 2010 05:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Me too! With only 8 days to go, I couldn't bear to let my hard earned entering of books go to waste, so I am another lifetime member...

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Caitlin McGrath Aug 9, 2010 11:01 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                My trial runs out today (I think), and I'm still noodling on whether to get the lifetime membership. I feel a bit less pressure than you did, roxlet, because I read in the FAQ that EYB will keep your bookshelf intact for some stretch of time (how long, it didn't say) in case you decide to subscribe, though you won't be able to access it unless you do.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Aug 9, 2010 11:07 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The only risk, Caitlin, is that they imply that the $50 lifetime membership opportunity might disappear once they are out of beta. But, it's hard to say how long you have before that happens, or if they will even stick to it, or how much a membership will cost under the new scheme and whether a lifetime membership will even be available.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Have you not found it that useful?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Caitlin McGrath Aug 9, 2010 11:26 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, I am aware that the lifetime offer is limited, and I don't intend to let it pass by before I decide (I would not be willing to pay $25 annually, I don't think)...but I do need to decide, and just haven't had a chance. I hope they'll at least notify people with current-at-the-time trial memberships when they're moving beyond beta.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I just haven't had much opportunity to test it out for myself. I have done some hypothetical searches, but haven't been able to make any real-life use of it because of life/cooking circumstances. I hope to find time today to play around a bit.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      JaneEYB Aug 9, 2010 11:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      We will alert all expired and current members when we are going to stop the Lifetime membership so they can upgrade their Annual membership or reactivate an expired trial. At that point we will open up the site so anyone can view and search through the books and recipe listings - you will have to be a member to create your own Bookshelf. There will then be a $25 p.a. membership. We will definitely stop the lifetime membership when we are out of beta - it was a benefit to early adopters who put up with the site being in development.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      We will not delete Bookshelf data of expired members without giving them the opportunity first to join as a member.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    roxlet Aug 9, 2010 11:42 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, I did see that, but since I will be away (without internet I think) for the last half of August/beginning of September, I thought it prudent to press the button now. I like what I've experienced anyway, and as long as the company stays in business, I think I will find it useful.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. pikawicca Aug 9, 2010 06:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Had a totally cool EYB experience yesterday. There was a big sturgeon fillet that needed to be cooked in the fridge. I searched my books for ideas, and found a few ho-hum ones. I searched my friends' books and bingo! Someone (don't know who - is there any way of telling?) has "Italian Slow and Savory," which listed a recipe for sturgeon, pancetta, white, wine, and Marsala. I Googled these ingredients, and lo and behold, up popped the recipe for Baked Sturgeon with Pancetta and Marsala. We thoroughly enjoyed this dish for dinner last night: it was both simple and delicious. Thanks to the Hound who entered this book!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Dairy Queen Aug 9, 2010 06:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  How fun! (It wasn't my book, btw, and I don't know how to tell.) But, I've had a similar experience searching the entire EYB library for something very specific--maybe a specific oddball way of cooking a certain ingredient-- and then googling on the recipe and finding it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Gio Aug 9, 2010 07:03 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    To find out who has the book from which the recipe came click on EYB Library on the top of a page, in the blank box type the title of the book, and search. When I typed Italian Slow and Savory up popped the names of 5 of my friends who have the book and about 25 others....

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    flourgirl Aug 9, 2010 07:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Hey, it could be me! I have that book! :)

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      pikawicca Aug 9, 2010 07:38 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I liked that recipe so much, I ordered a used copy of the book on Amazon.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I was just thinking of something that I would think would be awesome. Have you ever read a recipe in a cookbook called, for example, "Zucchini Stir Fry" and the author suggests, in the recipe, "this would also work with summer squash or (totally making this up for illustrative purposes) new potatoes. Wouldn't it be great if EYB would inventory those author-suggested substitution ingredients too somehow? Because sometimes you're looking for a way to use summer squash or new potatoes and you never think to look in the "summer squash" category.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    My example is bad, because actually most people probably do sub summer squash for zucchini, but for less obvious substitutions it could be really helpful.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      smtucker Aug 9, 2010 11:27 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Actually, I have already run into this limitation with Fish: Without a Doubt. Moonan gives so many alternatives for each fish dish, but when you search for 'sole', for example, none of the recipes where sole is listed as an alternative appear in my list.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If I were a better person, I would go through the whole book and add the alternatives to each recipe in the comment box. But right now I am feeling way too hot and cranky.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The Dairy Queen Aug 9, 2010 11:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh, see your example is much better than mine, but, yes, it illustrates the problem perfectly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hot and cranky, eh? Maybe this is a project for January? :).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        JaneEYB Aug 9, 2010 11:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        It's on the to-do list, I wish we had done it from day one. We do put alternative ingredients in the EYB Comments but that isn't searchable so is not so useful. I'm wondering if we should make "alternatives" a wiki as going back through 1,250 indexed books is going to take quite a while.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The Dairy Queen Aug 9, 2010 03:15 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          It would be great if you could do it from this point forward. Would the wiki be searchable? If so, for the "already indexed" books, it would probably be better than nothing...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ~TDQ

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            JaneEYB Aug 9, 2010 08:24 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yes, it would be searchable in the same way main ingredients are. But it's a little way off yet.

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