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wreckers00 Dec 27, 2009 09:40 PM

Just went to Per Se. had a great experience, not an amazing one though.

Would fellow chowhounds want a detailed dish by dish review or should I not even bother?

  1. uhockey Dec 28, 2009 01:34 AM

    Sure thing - always nice to hear/see what Benno is doing.

    I'm going for the 16-course on 12/30

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    1. re: uhockey
      ellenost Dec 28, 2009 05:19 AM

      What is the price for the 16 course dinner at Per Se (I've only had the 9 course dinner). Did you need to request the 16 course dinner when you made your reservation? Thanks for the info.

      1. re: ellenost
        uhockey Dec 28, 2009 07:57 AM

        The availability of the extended tasting (anywhere from 15-20 proper courses) is similar to The French Laundry - when you make the reservation ask about it and sometime around the time you confirm they can tell you if they have the time/space (some tables are 1 turn a night, others are 2) and what the price will be. The menu borrows from the day's ingredients/menu, plus whatever is "unique or special" in the kitchen that day.

        They can certainly accomidate SOME special requests (I don't eat beef flesh/steak but quite enjoy offal like sweetbreads) and at the Laundry even went out of their way to make Peas & Carrots on my request.

        My review of TFL is in my blog and over in the San Francisco/Napa board if you're interested.

        1. re: uhockey
          ellenost Dec 28, 2009 08:48 AM

          Thanks. I read your review of TFL and loved it. I look forward to your review of the extended menu at Per Se!

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        wreckers00 Dec 28, 2009 09:18 AM

        I'll do my review later. but on warning: starve yourself before! 9 courses was a ton of food, i was almost stuffed I couldn't eat the last chocolates they served us. Make sure to take your meal slow.

        Also Benno is leaving this January, correct?

        1. re: wreckers00
          uhockey Dec 28, 2009 03:19 PM

          Starving yourself doesn't work - you need to focus on highly digestable stuff for lunch and avoid carbonation. :-) I managed TFL after both breakfast at a pastisserie and lunch at Bouchon. If I spread 16 courses over 4 hours I'm pretty sure I can eat all day. :-) At least I hope so.

          1. re: wreckers00
            uhockey Dec 28, 2009 03:20 PM

            Benno is indeed leaving soon - it is why I wanted to get into Per Se now - I'd originally planned to hold of for a special occassion in June. His specific stop-date is not yet announced.

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          wreckers00 Dec 28, 2009 08:00 PM

          So here goes the review. First off I'm only 18 and home from college and as an xmas present wanted nothing more than to go to Per Se before Benno left. So I called and called and the only time I could get was a 10pm reservation, which I was happy to settle with.

          This was really far and away the best service I've ever had at a restaurant. Most of the time it was as if the waiter wasn't there, yet they always seemed to know what we wanted. A really great job by the staff.

          So for the food. Amuse: gruyere puffs and salmon tartare cornets like usual
          First course: oysters and pearls- Keller's signature dish- obviously a great dish and I'm not really even a fan of caviar for some reason
          Second: Foie Gras au torchon, apple gelee, candied pecans: Foie was great, brioche was even better.
          Third: Lup de mer with sesame seed puree and radishes- Outstanding dish- probably my second favorite. So simple and the fish was perfect
          Fourth: "beets and leeks: Butter poached lobster, buttery leeks, potato chip, red beet essence- solid dish, lobster was great, leeks were also good.
          Fifth: Rabbit saddle and chop, pequio peppers, pine nuts, some sauce: worst dish of the night! rabbit was quite dry and way too much going on on the dish and sauce wasn't very good
          Sixth: Beef with bordelaise sauce and vegetables- the beef was outstanding, perfectly cooked. Probably my favorite dish of the night!
          Seventh: Cheddar cheese (vermont), white wine gelee, apricot clafoutis- the clafoutis was the best part of the dish. cheese was good but just a really good cheddar
          Eighth: mandarin orange sorbet, peppercorn sable, EVOO emulsion- solid dish. sorbet was delicious
          ninth: Chocolate cake, pumpkin bavarois, marshmallow and spiced ice cream: 2nd worst dish- cake was okay but seemed a bit dry as well. the pumpkin parts weren't that good either
          mignardises/tea- fantastic chocolates- one with grapefruit, one fennel and one coffee i believe

          Overall: A great experience, outstanding service, but I had extremely HIGH expectations and Per Se didn't completely reach them. Some dishes were just solid. Only 3 were really amazing (the fish, beef and lobster). Plus the 2 eh dishes were still good just not very good (choc/pumpkin and the rabbit)
          I was disappointed that was not a single vegetarian dish, and even the dishes did not have much in the way of vegetables (maybe I should've asked for a veg dish but oh well).
          Also I realized Per Se's food is SO RICH. everything is extremely buttery and rich and its almost too rich. I wish the dishes had less fat/ more vegetables.

          Overall I'd give it an 8.75/10. I was really expecting Per Se to serve 9 amazing dishes and it just came up short.

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          1. re: wreckers00
            uhockey Dec 29, 2009 01:37 AM

            Thanks - I too am not a huge caviar (or oyster) lover, but that dish works on all levels. Also, I rather wondered about the Pumpkin-Chocolate dish - did not sound very compelling to me, either.

            As for the foie - different strokes for different folks - the one I had at TFL was the 2nd best savory I've ever eaten (behind the Foie at L2O which, IMO, one could possibly call a dessert instead of a savory,)

            As for veggies - you could have opted for the salad over the foie for course two, no?

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              wreckers00 Dec 29, 2009 06:20 AM

              Yes you're definitely right uhockey.

              I ate literally everything on every plate that night, and since I'm not a picky eater at all, I didn't want to change anything (as they all sounded good). I definitely wanted to try Per Se's foie as it has been raved about.

              But if I eat at Per Se again I would make sure I have at least 1 maybe 2 vegetarian courses. They just changed their menu so you will have some new dishes. have fun, it's a great experience! (because even the "bad" dishes were above average for any restaurant)

              1. re: wreckers00
                ellenost Dec 29, 2009 07:32 AM

                You should have asked to substitute one or more of the vegetable courses from the vegetable menu. BTW, the menu at Per Se changes daily. I lucked out in August when I was there since all of my favorites were on the menu (lobster, duck, calotte de boeuf). Also the desserts have been changed (the pumpking chocolate dish is no more).

                1. re: ellenost
                  uhockey Dec 29, 2009 07:37 AM

                  ..so am I to assume that you also have Ad Hoc, TFL, and Per Se's menu link on your "favorites" and check regularly? :-) Mont Blanc sounds quite nice over Pumpkin-Chocolate.

                  1. re: uhockey
                    ellenost Dec 29, 2009 07:59 AM

                    Only Per Se's menu link is on my favorites--I do check regularly :-). Haven't been lucky enough to visit California in a long time. I'm heading back to LV in April. Any new recommendations?

                    1. re: ellenost
                      uhockey Dec 29, 2009 03:24 PM

                      Get off the strip for Raku - it shouldn't be missed. I'd additionally rank Joel Robuchon in my top 5 meals this year (at #5) - but perhaps Per Se will knock it down a peg.

                      1. re: uhockey
                        ellenost Dec 29, 2009 05:59 PM

                        I was disappointed in Joel Robuchon. I have to admit that I dined at Robuchon the night after I dined at Alex (Alex has become my "must" restaurant in LV). I'll check out Raku. Thanks for your advice. Have a great time at Per Se.

          2. uhockey Jan 4, 2010 02:46 AM

            I'll get a review up soon, but I'll just say they really outdid themselves on the extended tasting:

            Gougeres
            Salmon Coronette
            1 Pumpkin Veloute – Brussels Sprout Leaves and “Quatre Epices” Mousse
            2 Oysters and Pearls – Sabayon of Pearl Tapioca with Island Creek Oysters and Sterling White Sturgeon Caviar
            3 Nantucket Bay Scallop – English Cucumber, Daikon Radish, Sake Gelee
            4 Spanish Mackerel – Cauliflower Florettes, Meyer Lemon and Espelette Pepper “Aigre Doux”
            5 Hot Smoked Columbua River Sturgeon – Yukon Gold Potato Blini, Granny Smith Apple and Scallion Salad
            6 Coddled Squire Hill Farms’ Ameraucana Hen Egg – Ragout of Black Winter Truffles, Hazelnuts and Pickled Red Cabbage with Hollandaise Mousseline and Brioche Melba
            7 Marcho Farm’s Ris de Veu – Violet Artichokes, Fennel Bulb, Pickled Mustard Seed Emulsion
            8 Greenmarket Carrot Pudding – Papadum, Poached Royal Blenheim Apricots and Parsley Shoots with Madras Curry Vinaigrette
            9 Quail in a Jar – Cavendish Farm’s White Quail, “Farcie au Foie Gras de Canard” with Petite Lettuces and 100 year balsamic Vinegar
            10 Herb Roasted Fillet of Mediterranean John Dory – Wrapped in Marcho Farm’s Coeur de Veau, Hen of the Woods Mushroom, Salsify and Watercress Leaves, Sauce Beurre Rouge
            11 Butter Poached Nova Scotia Lobster – “Crete de Coq,” Sunchokes, Garden Chervil
            12 Hand Cut Tagliatelle – Shaved Black Italian Truffles
            13 All-day Braised Snake River Farms’ Kurobuta Pork Jowl – Buckwheat Crepe, Scallion Emincee, Tokyo Turnips, French Prune Puree with Tellicherry Pepper Jus
            14 Elysian Fields Farm’s Rouelle D’agnueau – “Langue et Ris d’Agneau,” Celeriac Gratin, Young Beets, Parslet Shoots, Celery Branch Ribons, Borscht Sauce
            15 Epoisses – Fork Crushed Potatoes, Celery Branch Ribbons, Picked Sunchokes
            16 Mandarin Orange Sorbet – Wild Peppercorn Sable, Orange Tuile with Nyons Extra Virgin Olive Oil Emulsion
            17 Grapefruit Champagne Float – Ruby Red Grapefruit, Fleur de Sel Sable, Vanilla Ice Cream, Grapefruit Soda, Champagne Granite
            18 Coffee and Doughnuts – Cinnamon Sugared Doughnuts with Cappuccino Semifreddo
            19 Pear and Caramel – Madagascar Vanilla-Poached Bartlett Pear, Caramel Mousse, Pear Pate de Fruit, Glace au Beurre Noisette
            20 Mont Blanc – Cestnut Genoise, Swiss Meringue, Chocolate-Juniper Cremeux, Rum Parfait, Marron Glace with Chocolate Ice Cream
            Huckleberry Panna Cotta
            Mignardises, Chocolates, Candies.

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              mjl242 Jan 4, 2010 07:26 PM

              That's just crazy. May I ask how much it was? I think I inquired about the extended menu early last year and they said it was $450.

              Even if they give the smallest portions for each course, that's still a lot of food. I was very full just from the normal 9 courser.

              1. re: mjl242
                uhockey Jan 5, 2010 02:50 AM

                It was $450 + tax - gratuity was included. Since I'm not a drinker the somm actually did "mini" pairings - like 1-2oz at a time - with various courses to teach me about wine, as well. It is absolutely worth the extra cost considering the luxury ingredients.

                I left quite full, but the pace was flawless - the whole meal lasted ~5:15

              2. re: uhockey
                ChefJune Jan 5, 2010 11:31 AM

                I would not want that many different dishes in one meal. To me, that just looks like an "anything you can do, I can do better" stunt. I don't see how anyone could possibly really appreciate all of those different tastes -- even if the meal did take FIVE hours? (Did you REALLY say FIVE hours?) ;(

                1. re: ChefJune
                  uhockey Jan 5, 2010 01:49 PM

                  What you want and what I want are clearly different things - and yes, I said five hours.

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                  Alex318 Jan 6, 2010 12:21 PM

                  wow - just wow - I had the pleasure of my first experience at per se last week and left so full i couldnt imagine another 11 courses. They do sound great though.

                  On a side note, the white chocolate and curry was a great way to end the meal, I wish i took both that were offered.

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                    Cpalms Jan 6, 2010 03:50 PM

                    I had the extended tasting twice at Per Se. The first being the most memorable. The two of us had 20+ courses, 5+ hours, the crazy thing is each of had had completely different menus (other than for a few signature courses coronets, oysters & pearls, etc)... needless to say it was amazing, simply amazing that a kitchen could do that. The thing that made this so special is that we did not ask for it, they just unleashed on us. A friend of a very well connected friend made the reservation and they must have thought we were big shots or something!! lol. The lady I was with took a 10 minute walk in the middle to catch her breath, during which they asked me if they should stop bring more courses, I said hell no!!
                    they printed out the menu's on beautiful paper and mailed them to us...Per Se can reach heights that no other place in NYC can....

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