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Why do you think Chowhound is the meanest site you visit?

Is it just me? Because I visit some snarky sites, but this is the one that never fails to stun me with its meanness.

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  1. <Why do you think Chowhound is the meanest site you visit?>

    I don't, because it isn't. Not by a long shot. Chowhound is aggressively moderated, and "mean" posts don't last long. Can you provide a link to a post you think is "mean"? Maybe we define the word differently.

    1. shanagain, I would be hard pressed to find an online community that didn't have its moments. snarky to one person is smarts showing to another. mean to one person is honesty to another. I hope my straight style isn't perceived as "curt" but I imagine I've pissed off my share of CH's I happen to enjoy. Best to just cultivate what you like and add to the discussion. I enjoy your posts.

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      1. re: HillJ

        An excellent point, online communities tend to bring out the.. "stringent" in all of us, I think.

        And no, you certainly do not come off as curt, and thank you for your contribution.

        1. re: shanagain

          And with posts & e-mails, you really cannot tell the tone or inflection of one's voice, which can really make a difference in how someone says something...which is why I try to qualify some of my posts with "gently suggesting" if I think it could be taken the wrong way. I would agree in general that outright "meanness" is not tolerated here.

      2. I think Chowhound is pretty good compared to many sites out there. But you'll always get a few snarky people as it's easy to be an ass when you've got anonymity on your side.

        Have you ever checked out midtownlunch.com? Now, this is one of the reasons why I'm glad that CH is moderated (though I also have reasons why I don't like moderation). Every Tuesday they profile different people and many of the posters end up making fun of them -- everything from their looks to the their dining preferences. Some of the posts are quite creepy as well.


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        1. re: Miss Needle

          Brutal. Compared to that, Chowhound is a meadow filled with kittens & puppies. And perhaps the occasional dumb dog '-P

          1. re: Miss Needle

            Ouch, like the YouTube or tmz of food discussions.

            I have to admit, I suppose I am sheltered. I tend to gravitate toward forums where the "condescension" is generated toward "issues" - not people - and since Chowhound is so user-driven (admission - I joined years ago, and as such, I tend not to read the "fluff" that is Chow.com - just good old chowhound) perhaps I'm just, what.. too nice?

          2. I've read a few of the threads on your profile, but haven't been able to find what it was that so deeply offended you. On the other hand, I've found plenty of comments by you about how you don't like people's attitude on the site. If you'd care to provide some examples, it would be easier to respond intelligently.

            That said, it's true that people here tend to be fairly well-informed, and some don't suffer fools lightly. If you make a factually inaccurate statement here, there's a decent chance someone will point out that you're wrong. If you voice an opinion as though it's gospel truth, somebody will probably point out that others have different points of view. And if your post is culturally insensitive, you can expect an objection to that.

            But that's constructive dialogue. This site is moderated, and seriously mean and snarky posts aren't allowed. Personal attacks tend to be removed immediately, and the mods won't even tolerate a sarcastic reply to a patently stupid question (eg, one New Yorker's request for recommendations in light of the fact that "San Francisco isn't much of a food city...")

            If you're offended by disagreement, you're in the wrong place. But while there are plenty of members who believe the site is too strictly moderated, AFAIK there are very few who think that the dialogue needs to be toned down.

            If this is "the meanest site you visit," you've either got a distorted perception of Chowhound or you need to expand your horizons past Club Penguin.

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            1. re: alanbarnes

              No, I'm not offended, actually, and didn't base it on anything that's been said to "me" - it's just this general tone that is... well, mean.

              There's a condescending tone that seems to discourage new, or let's say "less savvy" posters, IMO - though Science knows I'm just too thick to take that personally. And don't think I don't have my moments - since you've been mining my postings for material, I'm sure you found my enchilada thread. ;)

              And honestly, my gut reaction to your post was kind of funny - perhaps whatever Club Penguin is, you need to check it out. Or maybe I do - I do tend to focus on the positives in life, and yeah, I'll say it, I'm just usually considered "nice." I know, it's one of many online sins!

              1. re: shanagain

                Mining is hard work. I glanced at a couple of things to see if there was an obvious cause for your post, and didn't find one. As for enchiladas, I've got my own opinions...

                But I disagree with your claim that there's a general "condescending tone." Newbies here -myself included - tend to be welcomed with open arms if they're offering opinions that are stated as such or asking open-ended questions.

                There are exceptions to this rule. Some are inexcusable. An innocent question by someone who isn't terribly well-informed should generate basic responses, not condescension. But an arrogant first post by an obviously clueless person whose fixed opinions obviously outweigh any desire to share information may be entitled to less deference.

                There's nothing wrong with being nice. I like nice people, and try to be one most of the time. But spirited discussion can be fun, too.

                1. re: shanagain

                  I consider myself to have a pretty thick skin in 'real" life. I've been accused of being a mean girl and I can definitely do snarky. But there are times when I'm reading a thread and have a question or thought and don't post because I see certain posters on the thread and really don't care to read their opinion of me.

              2. I don't think it's mean once the moderators remove offending posts, and they do a very good job of it- However, people do post mean things, quite often it seems, and that does require the mods to step in pretty frequently. What can I say? I'm on chowhound a lot and I feel as though I see a lot of these posts before they are removed, so yes, sometimes the tone does feel "mean", but not for long.

                So I kind of agree, and it kind of boggles my mind why anyone would want to be so mean and snarky as some of the posts I see, pre-deletion. Especially those posters that continue to post again and again, harping on the same personal attack, just to get constantly deleted. I'll obviously never know, but it makes me wonder what goes through someone's head to be so persistent about something so unkind, while obviously being told not to keep doing it!

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                1. re: mjhals

                  oh, and I'll totally cop to going back to those threads w/ comments that keep getting deleted. It's like a trainwreck- hard not to look, but that probably doesn't speak well of my self-restraint.

                2. I think you're making the mistake of letting a few bad eggs color the whole site for you. I've seen plenty of posters that are mean spirited and denigrating, but most of them haven't lasted long. And I've seen a hundred times that many that are friendly and helpful; these types do seem to stick around.
                  I don't think, however, that this is an issue of moderation. Some people are just so arrogant that they can't open their mouths without saying something that could be construed as mean (and fogging up their glass navels). This is just the way the world works. It's hardly the job of the moderators to spread a message of humility, kindness, and proper etiquette. Because of this, plenty of snarky or obnoxious posts do stick around. But so what? This isn't a kindergarten.
                  I do think there is some truth to the stereotypes that the people passionate about subjects that typically mark a cultured individual (such as food and wine) are more likely to be arrogant than your average person, but it's not as if this site invented snobbery. And I also think it's true that people passionate about cultured subjects are more likely to be gracious and kind than your average person. So you just have to take the good with the bad.
                  Sometimes, there are also people who are overly familiar on this site. They're harmless, but unless others realize they are "just funnin' with ya" it seems to cause a lot of offense. I don't know what the answer to this is - one side really needs to lighten up, the other side needs to keep in mind that just because they are no stranger to this site does not mean this site is not full of strangers - but it unfortunately results in a lot of post deleting and even the banning of good people.
                  It's also possible you're just taking good spirited debates a bit too personally. I love a good spirited debate. What I can't stand are the single clause comments some people like to drop in that amount to little more than shouting, "I disagree!" Maybe it's just me, and having spent too many years working in academia, but I find a willful refusal to elaborate while still insisting on deriding a point to be outright disrespectful. There are a lot of regulars here that I've learned over the years I'm better off completely ignoring for this reason. Now if only I could actually ignore them...

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                  1. re: danieljdwyer

                    FWIW, I probably wouldn't have started this thread if I didn't enjoy a little jousting here and there. ;)

                    1. re: danieljdwyer

                      I am now officially stealing "and fogging up their glass navels" for personal use. Thanks djd for a belly laugh (pardon the pun).

                    2. I think I'm with alanbarnes. If you could provide some examples (don't have to be directed at you) it would better show what you're talking about. There are certainly people who take strident positions and will never back down (rightly or wrongly) but when you say "stun me with its meanness" I can't think of any examples of that. I don't hesitate to report things nor should you. I don't participate in other communities but fall into them occasionally and some of the unmoderated ones would really stun you. Expletive being flung about, calling people morons and stupid, etc. And here on CH there really are times when one person is right and another is wrong. Sometimes the world IS black or white. So, please show us an example or two so we can see better where you'r coming from.

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                      1. re: c oliver

                        No, I'd definitely rather not call out any specific posters by giving examples.

                        But as I clarified upthread somewhere, the level of condescending "conversation" shows a level of, shall we say, more educated meanness than the slinging of expletives you might find elsewhere. To that, I wouldn't classify those as "mean" sites - just sites filled with ignorance.

                        1. re: c oliver

                          c oliver, is there a particular helpfulness you see in sharing your "top-teners" by s/n when you reply to Board posts? I've noticed with fair regularity that you enjoy sharing with the CH community who your fav CH's are. I've also noticed comments that might infer when you aren't particularly thrilled with a CH's reply. Does it help the discussion to call out CH's by s/n? Your thoughts on this might give example to the OP's comments. Appreciate it.

                          1. re: HillJ

                            it's obvious enough without having to actually name them, i think.

                            1. re: HillJ

                              HillJ, I'll be glad to respond to YOU. I'm not sure how referring to someone by screen name can help the OP with the "meanest" issue. I'll use the above post where I said I agreed with Alan Barnes. I find Alan to be one of the most erudite people on CH. I don't always agree with him but when I do, he always seem to explain how he/I feel better than I can. There's no secret handshake or anything going on. I tend to agree with his logic on non-Chow issues and I've learned one helluva lot about cooking from him. Plenty of cred with me. As far as social dialogue goes, I think that's a normal way to converse. If I have a group of people in my living room chatting, I can see myself saying "I think I agree with Lynda about this...." "Top-teners"???? I can promise you that there aren't NEARLY as many as ten. Cross my heart. But I'm a sponge when it comes to learning and I don't mind naming names when I'm pleased. "Will Owen's Pork Roast" get mentioned by me so much, I'm sure people want to scream. But, hey, it's that good. And sometimes I refer to someone by name simply because it's a friendly thing to do. (I get in more trouble for being chatty here than snarky!) Does it help the discussion? Maybe yes, maybe no. I'd be shocked to see that I've "called out" someone by name that I'm not "particularly thrilled" with.

                              HillJ, I've always respected you on CH and I hope some of my responses make sense to you. Please ask further questions if you wish.
                              PS: Hope it's okay that I used your "name" :) Just kidding

                              1. re: c oliver

                                I've read enough of your posts that I think I can fairly say that you're not being sycophantic when you do what HillJ is referring to. It made perfect sense to me that you would use a name in that case, or to refer to a specific recipe. However, maybe I can only say that because I read your posts frequently, and have learned from doing so that you're not gushing over anybody.
                                People often come across differently than they wish, and differently than the people who know even a very little bit about them may take it. I can see how this comes across as ass kissing. Again, I know it's not, but I can see how it might seem that way. Same with the exchange between you and shanagain below.
                                (This next bit is just general observation on the point, and not at all directed at you).
                                There's a strong feeling on this site of what I once called cliquishness on another thread about the culture of Chowlound. Maybe fan clubbishness is a better term. I know when I see frequent posts by other regulars saying how great a particular poster is, what someone else on this thread called high fiving, it gets tiresome, even a little sickening after awhile. Maybe that is because those are the only posts of theirs I'm seeing, so it seems like all the do is cheer on their favorite Chowhounds.
                                Either way, I think we all get that there are certain people here who have a wealth of knowledge about food, or particular cuisines, or whatever else. Personally, I think most of them go completely unrecognized. But even if someone is the absolute top expert on something, do they need a fan club telling them so all the time? I was lucky enough, in college, to take classes with four professors who are widely considered the foremost experts in their respective fields. Everyone showed them respect, but no one kissed any ass. If anything, these professors were challenged more by their students than any others I had, and they loved it. They didn't want anyone to just assume they were right, and they'd probably have been incredibly embarassed by any sycophants.

                                1. re: danieljdwyer

                                  I think there is a buttload of ass kissing going on. But maybe I pay special attention to those particular posts. And I do find it tiring.

                                  1. re: linguafood

                                    Just stopped in and found these thoughtful replies. Thank you. c oliver, I was hoping that your CH style would be a good example (not calling you out in particular, you just came to mind in a handy sorta way) of how a direct reply can be perceived. Only you can explain your personal style best-and you did just that. I cited a reference to top-tener because you used that phrase in one of your posts recently.

                                    Anyway, my only point here is to acknowledge and appreciate the OP's question. The behavor is not imagined at all. Some folks are dismissive, inpatient, snarky on CH...but as the OP has conceded thru this discussion not at all the majority. Personlly, there are so many freakin cool people on this site, never boring, never ever...and I glean so much from the threads. IF I had the opportunity to meet all of you good people my life would be very colorful and my dinner plate very happy.

                                    It's all good.

                                    1. re: HillJ

                                      "Personlly, there are so many freakin cool people on this site, never boring, never ever...and I glean so much from the threads. IF I had the opportunity to meet all of you good people my life would be very colorful and my dinner plate very happy.

                                      It's all good."

                                      Well said HillJ and I second that!


                                      1. re: HillJ

                                        I'm NOT going to stop using names in a positive way and have already been working on snarky comments (the mods are aware, I promise you). Thanks for your comments, whatever your name is.

                                        1. re: c oliver

                                          You can call me J. No dog to speak for me, no pretty pet picture...just a pb&J sandwich and a husband & wife sharing one s/n.

                                          Hill & J. Simple.

                                          eta: I do concede that my children have been known to respond on CH using HillJ as well come to think of it.

                                          1. re: HillJ

                                            I never knew you were two people! I'm all for keeping CH friendly and familiar, in a respectful way, and I think that using people's screen names can be a nice touch. Not a big fan of ass-kissing, myself, but sometimes a little praise fits the bill.

                                            1. re: vvvindaloo

                                              My husbands reads CH some but, to my knowledge, hasn't posted - yet!

                                              Anyone who knows me knows that I'm as far from an a$$kisser as there is in the world probably. But I AM a Southerner (now in NoCal) and when we're not being sarcastic could probably be mistaken for brownnosing. It's a very thin veneer of civility :)

                                              1. re: vvvindaloo

                                                vvvindaloo, I hadn't realized that two people sharing a s/n was unsual until a few of our CH friends noted that it might confuzzle, but share we do.

                                                Hill ususal responds/posts to the MidAtlantic Boards hunting for chow recs and I'm usually up to my elbows in the Home Cooking Boards energized by all the recipes and beyond that we're both all over the site.

                                                Maybe we should sign our posts to clarify who's typing..would that matter? help?

                                                1. re: HillJ

                                                  My first thought is it would help but the more I think about it, it shouldn't matter. As I've been told on another site, you post to the post and not the poster and that helps eliminate some clicquey-ness. I knew you shared a name but didn't know there was Hill and there was J. Again, not important but interesting. Which is husband and which is wife?

                                                  1. re: chowser

                                                    Hill is husband, J is wife :)
                                                    And, I'm glad it doesn't matter (to you).

                                                    1. re: HillJ

                                                      Thanks. It doesn't matter. I didn't even realize until years later that you were literally multiple personalities.;-)

                                                      1. re: chowser

                                                        Too funny, now what's your excuse? ROFL~~

                                                        1. re: HillJ

                                                          LOL, should I let you know who's posting chow or ser? ;-) I've always enjoy your posts, Hill or J. Enough brown nosing now...

                                              2. re: HillJ

                                                You talkin' to me? :-))

                                                Not to worry, jfood and i eat a pb-no-j sandwich all the time.

                                                1. re: jfood

                                                  Actually I was replying to chowser but thanks all the same jfood.

                                2. This is by far not the meanest site I've seen. In fact, it's the only site I've stuck with b/c it has such a congenial community (homecooking board, I'm talkin' especially to you!).

                                  At the same time, I have seen condescension stemming from some who either talk (write?) down to a poster or are dismissive. I've also been dismayed by a bit of claquishness among some groups on the site that, by chasing each other around and applauding each other, tend to drown out alternative voices. Not so much mean, but really annoying and exclusive. It's no worse than what I see in an average meeting at work however.

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                                  1. re: Cachetes

                                    "...chasing each other around and applauding each other"
                                    I agree ... the same people who seem to constantly high-five each other and hijack threads with personal discussions are the same ones who post the most, get the most freaked out when there's something wrong with the site, and are the most full of suggestions for improving it so they can more easily post their own "meaningful" content. That leads me to believe they don't have anything else to do with their time, so what are you gonna do? ;) I find most of Chowhound to be very civil compared to other places. The few times I have felt irritated enough with the self-elected board bosses to report something the mods have always taken care of it.

                                    1. re: Samalicious

                                      Yes - I agree that that is an issue. I continue to be mindful of not being too chummy on the boards with people I've gotten to know off the boards. I think it's probably off-putting in some ways to newer posters and, as you mention, can lead to a lot off topic banter than doesn't help anyone eat better. It's quite annoying to see that there is a new post on a thread you've posted on and are interested in only to discover that the new posts are personal chat/jokes etc. And, I know that I've been guilty of this at times myself, but, going forward, before I hit the "post my reply" button, I'm going to ask myself whether or not I'm adding any new or useful information that will be useful to the community as a whole. Can't promise that I'll *always* follow that rule, but I'll sure work on it.

                                      Edit: I wanted to add that, what I said above notwithstanding, many of the relationships that I've made off the boards with people I've met on CH are very important to me in ways that go beyond the chow at this point.

                                      1. re: Samalicious

                                        Well said, Sam. I'd high-five you for your post, but that would be counterproductive '-)

                                    2. Chowhound is one of the least mean sites I visit!

                                      1. Stuff that brings out the snark in me:

                                        1. Uninformed, categorical statements. Bonus points if this is on my regional board and you are not from the region!

                                        2. Asking the same, broad criteria question that hundreds of people have asked before, without doing a search first. I'm given to understand that I-95 is in fact a major part of the American road network. You may not be the first person to travel down it!

                                        3. Regurgitating conventional wisdom. If you don't have any opinions of your own, why are you on here?

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                                        1. re: Naco

                                          I agree with you and others about some of the people-driven weakness of CH. However, I think most of those comments are a far cry from the OP's "Why do you think Chowhound is the meanest site you visit?" and "this is the one that never fails to stun me with its meanness." I don't see this while I definitely see the other problems.

                                          1. re: c oliver

                                            I don't participate on any other online forums, so I can't make a comparison. That said, I do see some of the high-handed, "holier-than-though" posts that I find off putting even though I've been around for ages. As the OP posted above, one doesn't have to curse etc. to be mean, or give off the impression that one doesn't think much of another poster. And, even when that's couched in terms of a another poster's opinion, the line is often a fine one. When I disagree, I try not to be dogmatic about it.

                                            1. re: c oliver

                                              I agree that the statement in the OP is completely overblown. CH is generally pretty congenial, and as mentioned, snarky stuff usually gets the axe pretty quickly. Honestly, I wish the moderation weren't *quite* so heavy-handed on that score. The site attracts a lot of Entitled Middle Class Persons who could stand to be poked and skewered a bit more than they are.

                                              1. re: Naco

                                                Lol, Naco is that why we're here to poke and skewer each other?
                                                I'll leave that to my grilling skills. (grin).

                                                1. re: HillJ

                                                  No, just those who bitch and moan endlessly about a bevy of perceived and real slights, never post about any new places, and insult those from whom they seek advice.

                                                  1. re: Naco

                                                    Tell me how you really feel, Naco! ROFL.
                                                    Thankfully we have the Mods for that.

                                                    1. re: HillJ

                                                      That's the problem, though. Moderation works best for off-topic posts and things which are patently offensive. The merely sophomoric flies under the radar and strafes us at our peaceful picnics.

                                                      1. re: Naco

                                                        Ah but Naco, we have the power to ignore those sophomores and focus on the chow we crave!

                                                        1. re: HillJ

                                                          I do my best, but occasionally it is good for the soul to give in to the way of the warrior.

                                                          1. re: Naco

                                                            "the way of the warrior"
                                                            my fav line of the day
                                                            thanks for the smile.

                                                            ..now I'm off to check my soup pot!

                                            2. re: Naco

                                              About number one, a poster on my regional board made a pretty crude uninformed categorical statement about a certain "ethnic" cuisine. Obviously he (just using the masculine for simplicity) was just ignorant about the cuisine. Instead of people ganging up on that poster, a few hounds took the time to try to educate him and gave him suggestions as to different places to try. In turn, he responded that he will try those places and thanked them for educating him. I'm sure if people started belittling him or calling him an ignorant fool, he would have just gotten defensive.

                                              While my initial reaction to somebody who makes a dumb uninformed statement would be to call him an idiot, it really does no good. Idiot poster gets angry. Other posters get angry and sometimes end up looking like idiots themselves. Mods have to work overtime deleting posters or end up deleting entire threads.

                                              1. re: Miss Needle

                                                Mostly I just turn the other cheek. I agree that it's not productive to try and nuke people that irk you; if I spewed venom at every post that pissed me off, people would think I was a cobra.

                                                1. re: Naco

                                                  He he. I think turning the other cheek is a good strategy. I think that some posters are just asking for it. I can have a big mouth at times and can be quite vocal expressing my opinions. But many times I choose to keep to my mouth shut because it just isn't worth it. I wish I could be more nonchalant like DH. He doesn't understand why I get so annoyed by some posts as he says it's just an Internet forum. Obviously he doesn't get it. : )

                                            3. One quick shout-out to our lovely unseen moderators - trust me when I say that you are doing a wonderful job, and it's a joy not to deal with the obvious ignorance (and spam) you find on so many comment threads online!

                                              I think what I, in my delicate flower state, am trying to convey is my surprise at the normal levels of human snarkiness being completely supplanted by a sort of snide disdain.

                                              Also, it's entirely possible that I've jumped the shark and am just completely too friendly for the modern world.

                                              Or in other words, with just a couple of exceptions in the thread, "yeah, hon, it's you."

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                                              1. re: shanagain

                                                So, in your opinion, IS this or is it NOT the meanest site you visit? Don't worry; I don't think you're too friendly for the world or CH. It's been elicited that the average CH is a bit older, somewhat better educated, frequently well traveled in addition to being food lovers. So there are people here who simply know more than others. I think where some of the perceived disdain comes from is when facts are dismissed out of hand. In life, there are simply people - too many IMO - who will never admit that they're wrong or that they can learn anything. I recently read about 2/3 of a thread about making bechamel sauce. As a hound wrote, his head exploded after reading it. I thought to myself that I sure was glad that I hadn't read that before making bechamel the first time or I never would have tried it. But for THOSE people - obviously far more advanced cooks than I'LL ever be - it was, I'm sure, a wonderful discussion. Same with recent discussions about Indian and Pakistani foods - I hardly understood a word they were saying :) There are those times when a couple of CHs will go at it with each other but I think that's the exception. And that's what that report button is for, right???

                                                1. re: c oliver

                                                  It is. As I've stated, the mods do a fine job at weeding out the obvious ignorance and spam. As MMRuth stated above, it is that "high-handedness" which flies under the radar which I find problematic. And I don't think that is up to the mods to, well, moderate, honestly. So I don't see it as a chow.com issue, I see it as a rather surprising communication-between-posters issue.

                                                  Perhaps being patronizing and condescending passes for educated-banter in some circles - but regardless of what you call it, I generally know it when I see it , and given the average level of intelligence of the posters on Chow, I don't think anyone needs smiley's or a roadmap to infer a tone which was clearly implied. A patronizing or condescending tone is rarely inferred OR implied as a simple conveyance of superior knowledge. (SamFujitsa is one example of a poster who has more food knowledge in the proverbial little finger than I will amass in a lifetime - and yet, rarely comes off as high-handed about that experience, IMO only.)

                                                  I suppose, to me - and we've all agreed to disagree on this, yes? - it is something of a prevailing tone which I find to be "mean" - not outright internet-catfights.

                                                  ETA: It does make one wonder what other sites y'all visit, for sure. ;)

                                                  1. re: shanagain

                                                    Ah, Dr. Fujisaka, you've fooled at least one Chowhound! You should make a notch on the Gay Cowboy's holster. Probably don't have a lot of em', do ya???

                                                    1. re: c oliver

                                                      It seems I'm missing something - and common sense tells me googling Gay Cowboy's holster would not produce the intended results!

                                                      So I've been snookered? How so?

                                                      1. re: shanagain


                                                        That comes from a post that Sam put on the How did you pick your user name thread, I believe. He was in a band that had some weird gay cowboy type name. And you have not been snookered! One time I posted about this new santouko (sp?) knife I got for Christmas that has a bit of rust on it. Of course I was asked if I put it in the dishwasher, which I had. A few people, more or less, told me how stupid I was and I should know better, but Sam stepped in with a solution and made me feel much better about the whole situation. I didn't know those knifes were to be hand washed!

                                                        It's like Naco's #3 up above. "3. Regurgitating conventional wisdom. If you don't have any opinions of your own, why are you on here?"

                                                        Now just because YOU know that the statement is conventional wisdom, and have known it for years, maybe the poster that is stating it just learned that particular fact. That is where we, as Chowhounds, have to be kind. I may be past 50, but learn new things on here everyday that I probably should have known, but no one ever taught me that before. That is why I am here!

                                                        1. re: danhole

                                                          This happens to me sometimes in terms of discussing restaurants. If I go to a place that is well-trod soil here on Chowhound but which is exciting b/c it's new to ME, I won't post even if I want to because I feel as if the anti-conventionalites (not to be confused with the anti-dentites) might disdain it as mundane.

                                                          1. re: Cachetes

                                                            I hear you! What is worse is when you post a review on a place that is new to you, and then they jump on it trashing it. I have gotten to the point that I really don't care. If I like it enough to post about it, then I will. If someone is going to see it as mundane, or that the place is bad, so be it, but there might be some lurker, or newbie, out there that will really appreciate the post. I am not posting for a select audience. So post away! Someone, like me who has never been there before, might find it to be most useful.

                                                            1. re: Cachetes

                                                              Woo eee. I went to Babbo two years ago and had an exceeds-all-expectations dinner. But there are CHs who detest the place and will spew venom like a cobra (who said that here? Love it). I also go to fast food chains on occasion and don't apologize for it. I ate Spam a couple of months ago and loved it no matter what Passadumkeg screams.

                                                              1. re: c oliver

                                                                go look at the Pepes threads in the TriState...it's a hoot

                                                                  1. re: jfood

                                                                    Alternatively, you could look at the Site Talk thread just below this one. That one's a hoot too.

                                                                    1. re: mjhals

                                                                      jfood has a busy weekend writing heuristic algorithms to rank every thread, post and restaurant on CH so people can rate them and only read those that have nicely written prose. Oy.

                                                                1. re: Cachetes

                                                                  I could have expressed myself better, even though that was a rant. What I meant is that people who tend to do nothing but that annoy me. To me, the whole point of the site is to find and write about new places/things. I value posts about restaurants that are already known, but I use the posts about the lesser known ones as my barometer. Really, I just don't understand why someone who isn't willing to take a flyer is on here to begin with.

                                                              2. re: shanagain

                                                                And I only meant that Sam ain't all that pure of heart either. He gets in his licks here and there. And if I had a top 10 (maybe I do and maybe I don't), then maybe he'd be on it and maybe he'd be pretty near the top of it. But I don't so he isn't and he isn't. So take THAT, Sam!)

                                                                1. re: shanagain

                                                                  Long ago and briefly I did the arrangements for our old timey stringband, Captain Pissgums and the Gay Cowboys. Basically I didn't use a sceen name froim those days because I'm not a captain, not gay (no offense intended), and got tired of being addressed as if dental hygenically challenged. I could probably stun you with my meanness.

                                                              3. re: shanagain

                                                                I think that's all I'm looking for. Yes, it can be a "tone" but to me that doesn't constitute the meanest. But if it does to you, then it's valid and you should report it. The moderators are pretty good about both removing and NOT removing things that have been reported. So if they don't agree with you, it will stand. Don't worry.

                                                          2. It is not mean at all. There are a FEW mean people here, I would certainly agree. You can spot them quite readily as mean, and ignore them. It's the internet. No big surprises here.

                                                            1. Before the Mods lock this one, Jfood will add this to the thread:


                                                              1. Dear Chowhounds in arms, i think to Op may be up to some shanagans as his/her name implies. We have been baited and have swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Shan has stated that a good argument is not to be backed away from.
                                                                Give it a chuckle and I for one, continue to look forward to the timbre of the future Shananagains.
                                                                Carpe chow!
                                                                I love you guys!

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                                                                1. re: Passadumkeg

                                                                  LOL, but no - or, not intentionally, at any rate!

                                                                  As for the timbre, this is about as interesting as it gets, I'm afraid.

                                                                  BTW, bonus points for two things 1) calling me Shan instead of Shana, 2) getting the very slight hint at shenanigans - based on my first and last - very Irish sounding - last name.

                                                                  1. re: shanagain

                                                                    Thanks! Go eat some tacos al pastor & lingua for me w/ a Frito pie for dessert and Q as an app., will ya.
                                                                    It it true that in West Texas it is so flat that if you stand on a milk crate look west, you will see the back of your head?

                                                                2. Really snarky posts and/or posters (there is a definite difference) stand out on CH *because* there is so little snarkiness overall.

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                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                    I will definitely try to keep this in mind. :)

                                                                    1. re: shanagain

                                                                      Servorg has a really good point. You know how they say that the squeaky wheel gets the oil? Well on CH the snarky poster gets your attention, and the nice ones just sort of fade into the background. I want to tell you that this is a caring community and I can prove it. After Hurricane Ike we were hit pretty hard. No power for almost 3 weeks, in the blazing Houston heat. After a couple weeks I went to the daughters to check email and there were some frantic messages from fellow chowhounds, that I knew but not that well, wondering and hoping that we were okay and had survived the storm. Made me cry! When I finally got power and could participate again all sorts of people let me know they were thinking about us. Of course for me not to be on CH for almost 3 weeks, they knew something was wrong! LOL! I have been on other forums that were not near as caring.

                                                                      1. re: danhole

                                                                        That's just awesome.

                                                                        Really, I'm loving being proven wrong.

                                                                    2. re: Servorg

                                                                      Nice! I think that's true, also. And, it's like a eye scatoma where once you note it, you start noticing it more, like stereotypes. If you think there's is meanness in posts, then you start noticing all the posts with meanness and not noticing the posts that aren't (that's general you, not specific you).