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2010 HK Michelin-starred restaurants

klyeoh Nov 25, 2009 11:40 PM

Restaurants awarded three stars are:
Caprice, French (New)
Lung King Heen, Cantonese
Galera a Robuchon (Macau), French

Restaurants awarded two stars are:
Fook Lam Moon (Wanchai) (New)
Ming Court (New)
Petrus (New)
Shang Palace
T’ang Court
Tim’s Kitchen (New)

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    mikey8811 Nov 26, 2009 01:54 AM

    Thanks for the update. I asked Sherm on FB before seeing this. Looks like Bo dropped out...

    1. skylineR33 Nov 26, 2009 05:43 AM

      Here is the complete list including the Bib Gourmet :


      Happy to see Se Wong Ye (Snake King the 2nd) to be the first snake specialty shop on the BG list !!!

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      1. re: skylineR33
        big_apple_ken Nov 26, 2009 07:52 AM

        Interesting to see Lung King Hee (龍景軒) still at 3 stars. Funny story: my friend went to Caprice last week. Found 2 bullets her duck breast dinner (she bit into something hard and thought it was a peppercorn). The head waiter told her it was unavoidable and a sign the ducks were fresh/from the wild...hahaha.

        1. re: big_apple_ken
          Peech Nov 27, 2009 04:41 PM

          head waiter? Jeremy? Find it hard to believe that he would say something like that!

          1. re: Peech
            big_apple_ken Nov 27, 2009 07:35 PM

            No idea what his name is since I wasn't there but this is one of my good friends so I do trust her story. We just had a good laugh since I couldn't believe they tried to play it off like it was a normal occurrence to find bullets in your food...haha.

            1. re: big_apple_ken
              klyeoh Nov 27, 2009 08:32 PM

              Those were lead shots, the kitchen should have been more careful to pick them out before cooking. Yes, it's a sign indeed that those were wild ducks that's been hunted.

              When I was in London last month, we bought some wild partridges from Notting Hill,had to spend quite a bit of time picking out lead shots before cooking those birds. No good having your dinner guests break a tooth on lead shot & telling them it's proof the bird was wild ;-)

              1. re: klyeoh
                big_apple_ken Nov 27, 2009 09:07 PM

                Yes, my friend described it as shotgun shots since it looked like a small pellet. She said originally she thought it was a crazy hard peppercorn when she bit into it (luckily no broken teeth). The funny thing was she found one after biting into her food, complained then found another one while taking another bite.

                Well exactly my point. At least to me finding bullets in your food is unacceptable by any standards (especially for a 3 star Michelin restaurant!). Although I'm not necessarily saying her meal should be comp-ed I gather at least they would do a little more than just telling her it is a sign of freshness...haha.

                1. re: big_apple_ken
                  klyeoh Nov 27, 2009 10:32 PM

                  Many a times, French/Western service staff in HK can be quite condescending when talking to local diners. No way that finding lead shots in your wild game is "unavoidable"! If it'd had happened in a restaurant in Paris or London (Michelin-starred or not), they'd have apologised profusely for their carelessness.
                  BTW, a lead shot DOES look like a peppercorn, but it'll still have that metallic sheen ;-)

                  1. re: klyeoh
                    Peech Nov 28, 2009 07:22 AM

                    I spoke to someone at Caprice about this. The "head waiter" was Jeremy, the maitre d' who is normally extremely nice. 2 points: 1) the dinner was comped after the shots were found. 2) It can be a case where the bird was shot but not fatally wounded, got away where the wounds healed, then was shot and killed some time later. As the shots were hidden inside old wounds, they would not be easily detected and removed unless it goes through a metal detector...

                    1. re: Peech
                      M_Gomez Dec 12, 2009 05:42 AM

                      My dear Peech, whilst I really admire your faith & trust in Caprice's maitre'd, I felt that Jeremy has not been entirely truthful to you. I, for one, find his story pretty implausible that a duck which had been shot carried 2 shotgun pellets which healed, and later was shot dead. Ha-ha.
                      The more likely scenario would be that it was an oversight by Caprice kitchen staff, who forgot to look for pellet shots in a wild duck. Abd like what big_apple_ken expected in a 3-Michelin-star restaurant, Caprice should be "man" enough to admit its mistake.
                      And, please, Jeremy, no far-fetched stories as an excuse: wild ducks carrying old battle wounds indeed. Puh-leeze :-D

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        medgirl Nov 26, 2009 08:13 AM

        hmmm...haven't been to any of these places but I follow the HK threads closely. Lung King Heen's continuing 3 stars remain a bit of a mystery given than none of the posts/blogs I have read seem to think it lives up to its 3 stars. I remember klyeoh enjoying his meal at Fu Sing more than at LKH.

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        1. re: medgirl
          big_apple_ken Nov 26, 2009 01:50 PM

          Agreed it is a bit of a mystery. It seems like it can do no wrong. Even 添好運 (the former Lung King Hee dim sum chef's place) gets a Michelin star. I love that they gave a Michelin start to a really affordable place though like 添好運. Do you guys think it has a chance to be most affordable place with at least 1 Michelin star? Haha.

          Also a little shocked that Ding Tai Fung (鼎泰豐) gets a Michelin star. The place is nice and food is pretty good but to me (in terms of taste) there's still a bit of a gap between the HK branch and the original restaurant in Taipei. I like 鼎泰豐 a lot in Taipei...but potentially 2 star Michelin? That's highly debatable...

          1. re: medgirl
            klyeoh Nov 26, 2009 09:25 PM

            You're right, medgril. I really, really wanted to like Lung King Heen, but its food just didn't make that much of an impact on me. BTW, did the two visiting Michelin inspectors (one Briton & one French) stay at the Four Seasons again? The hotel's got two 3-Michelin star restaurants now (Caprice got its 3rd star) - is it the only hotel in the world with such accolades. And who are the two "Chinese Michelin inspectors" for HK? Would be interested to know what impact they have on the ratings.

          2. Charles Yu Nov 26, 2009 04:56 PM

            To Fourseasons: The guide actually gave 'Fung Lam' a mention! Must have read our reviews? Ha!! For the pigeons or the prawns, I wonder?!

            Ming Court is good. But 2*?! Still think Michelin, in some cases, give points to decor and service, not just food alone?!

            With an additional star, Tim's Kitchen should really spend some money upgrading the washroom!

            Morton's get a star??????? A steak is a steak is a steak? No?! Sure, they might offer some interesting varietal selection... but?! If thats the criteria, then the grill on the second floor of Paris Galerie Lafayette should also get a star too! Their selection was mighty impressive too, offering Australian and Japanese Wagyu, Scottish Angus, Kansas Prime, Argentinian grass fed and French Charolais. What more can one ask for in a steak house?!

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            1. re: Charles Yu
              klyeoh Nov 26, 2009 09:21 PM

              Charles, the only Tim's Kitchen Hk can "renovate" its 3ft-by-4-ft washroom, located right between its kitchen and dining area, would be to move to new premises!

              1. re: Charles Yu
                FourSeasons Nov 27, 2009 01:17 AM

                Hi CharlesYu:

                Don't think the inspectors are influenced by our reviews of Fung Lam. My own review was actually lukewarm and they certainly have missed many of our favorites!!!

              2. FourSeasons Nov 27, 2009 02:03 AM

                My own review of 2010 HK+Macau Michelin Guide based on my experience in the dining scene in both cities. Others are welcome to join in. Let's pretend we are the judges for just one day.

                HONG KONG:
                3 stars:
                Agree on Caprice.
                Lung King Heen- I will downgrade it to just 1*.
                2 stars:
                Agree on Latelier.
                Amber, Tang Court- I will downgrade them to just 1*.
                Fook Lam Moon- its sharkfin is 3* but other dishes belong more to 1*, so I will just award it 1*.
                Have not tried others.
                1 star:
                Bo Innovation, Lei Garden (Wanchai), Yung Kee 4th floor deserve 2*.
                Farm House, Island Tang, Summer Palace do not deserve to be on the list. (especially Island Tang, why it is there simply baffled me)
                Agree on Golden Leaf and Ye Shanghai.
                Have not tried the rest.
                Others that deserve on the list:
                I will award 2 stars to Sheung Hing, Fu Sing, Ting Heung Lau, Hoi King Heen, Da Domenico. I would have awarded Lei Garden (IFC) to 2* based on the last visit 2-3 years ago but wonder if the standard has deteriorated since Michelin has knocked it out of last year's 1* list.
                I will award 1 star to Da Ping Huo, Sang Kee Seafood, Pak Loh Chiu Chow, Manor, Sister Wah, One Harbour Road, Chung's Cuisine and Victoria City.

                3 stars:
                Agree on Galera.
                2 stars:
                Have not tried Zi Yet Heen. Will try it in late Dec.
                1 star:
                I will upgrade Tim's Kitchen to 3* based on my lone visit late December last year. Every dish was perfect. In fact, if I had just one option, I will opt for Tim's to Galera which I had dined 3 times for last 2-3 years.
                I will not include Wing Lei on the list.
                Agree on Lei Garden(Venetian). I have tried Jade Garden a few times in Shanghai and Beijing; it is top notch Shanghai cuisine, will agree if the standard is the same as in the parents group.
                Have not tried the rest on the list.
                Others that deserve on the list:
                I will award 2* to Luk Kee, my favorite street-food noodle house. Of course, ambiance is terrible but this is based on Chinese value, not French.
                I will award 1 star to Canton and Old Neptune (both in Venetian), Tou Tou Koi, Noble House (both serve Macau style Cantonese cuisine), Imperial Court (MGM), 鳳城珠記.

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                1. re: FourSeasons
                  M_Gomez Nov 27, 2009 02:23 PM

                  FourSeasons, I'll trust your opinion more than those pretentious Michelin people who're more interested in how many guides they'll sell. Try and compile your own food guide in your free time.

                  BTW, I'm surprised at Caprice getting 3-stars. Don't get me wrong, I've been there a couple of times, and was quite happy with their food & service. Maybe it's indeed the best in Hong Kong. But put it in Australia and you'll find dozens and dozens of Melbourne and Sydney restaurants which are more dazzling, with more exacting standard of produce, more cutting-edge passionate owner-chefs. Not some cold, hotel-based restaurant.

                  Chefs like Serge Dansereau, Neil Perry, Dietmar Sawyere, Tetsuya Wakuda, Tony Bilson, Cheong Liew, etc, have 25-35 years of experience in churning out some of the best cooking, and running their restaurants. Chefs like Beppi Polese were picking mussels from Sydney Harbour in the 50s and introducing the mollusc to Aussies who didn't know how to eat mussels then. Caprice, on the other hand, have chefs who looked 20 years old! If Caprice can get 3-stars, so would at least 20 restaurants each in Sydney and Melbourne.

                  1. re: M_Gomez
                    Peech Nov 27, 2009 04:51 PM

                    Caprice gets 3 stars because the food is good, consistent, and French. It's my fav French in HK. Is it better than many other restaurants around the world that don't have stars? Perhaps not. But they don't have a guide for Sydney/Australia, do they...

                    When the first NY guide came out, lots of locals were furious that Alain Ducasse got 3 stars when lots of other local favs did not. People attributed it to the fame of the chef and the fact that he's French.

                    I honestly think that Michelin got it wrong again...they tried too hard to show people that the only consideration for stars is food, so they ended up putting Din Tai Feng and Tim Ho Wan on the star list. These places are holes-in-the-wall eateries that specialize in a few items. They should be on the Bib Gourmand list and not get stars. And THW's really not THAT good...

                    Do you think the Red Guide for Paris/France would give stars to a really, really good sandwich shop that's the best in the country? Or the best entrecote place? I think not!

                    1. re: Peech
                      Charles Yu Nov 27, 2009 07:26 PM

                      Hello Peech!
                      Based on your experience with Sun Tung Lok, will you give it a star or two?

                      1. re: Charles Yu
                        Peech Nov 28, 2009 07:25 AM

                        can't really rate it based on one dim sum lunch, but the quality was very high. Definitely on par with dim sum at some restaurants which received 1 star

                      2. re: Peech
                        klyeoh Nov 27, 2009 08:34 PM

                        Peech is spot on: DTF and THW should be on Bib Gourmand.

                        1. re: Peech
                          M_Gomez Nov 28, 2009 05:56 AM

                          No, unfortunately, Michelin didn't see Australia to be a viable market for their guide(too small & too far away from other financial centres), despite the obvious talents of Aussie chefs who also helm many good restaurants around the world. Also, Sydney and Melbourne already have their own well-established food guides like the SMH and Melbourne Age Good Food Guides, amongst others. HK, on the other hand, only had the inaccurate HK Tatler Best Restaurants Guide publication.

                          1. re: Peech
                            FourSeasons Nov 28, 2009 07:14 AM

                            Hi Peech:

                            I have no problem if Michelin awards stars to "holes-in-the-wall eateries that specialize in a few items" if they are the best in their categories. Why not? I would rather they get rid of Bib Gourmand list; it is more like a consolation reward. As a reader, I want to know the best food available, and if it is hole in the wall, so be it.

                          2. re: M_Gomez
                            FourSeasons Nov 28, 2009 06:58 AM

                            Hi Gomez:

                            I have received mixed reviews on Caprice as well from my friends. I have been there only once; it was specially arranged by sher.eats and I have to say it was an excellent meal; every dish was perfect and I enjoyed every moment. Based on that experience, I think Caprice deserves a 3 stars.

                            1. re: FourSeasons
                              mikey8811 Nov 28, 2009 11:54 PM

                              This seems to be a constant hotbed that fires people up - the stars that is. I have not dined at Caprice but have seen pics of dishes from it posted on FB. I imagine that the food there is more traditional than L'Atelier where I have dined many times and of a similar quality. I have eaten at L'Arpege, Le Cinq, Guy Savoy and similar French establishments and would presume that the food at Caprice is of a similar standard. I have also dined extensively in many of the Australian places M_Gomez mentions and it is difficult to compare the cuisine with the aforementioned French ones. The closest I can think of would be the Tony Bilson places, Claude's under the stewardship of Damien Pignolet and Tim Pak Poy, perhaps Tetsuya's, the short lived Restaurant VII and Quay - although the Tets and VII are more French Japanese and Quay Modern Oz. The produce is different because Australian restaurants tend to use more local fare. Overall I would say that if I take the French places and assume Caprice is similar, I'd say the it is slightly more refined in presentation and tastes than the Australian ones. If that is the case, it deserves the 3 stars. I'll try it out the next time I'm in HK, as a change from L'Atelier.

                              1. re: FourSeasons
                                Lucil Dec 4, 2009 07:54 PM

                                cepage by the les amis group won a michelin star..

                                1. re: FourSeasons
                                  Peech Dec 4, 2009 09:59 PM

                                  and I'm looking forward to doing another bull-market lunch (or dinner) with you at Caprice the next time you're in town

                                  1. re: Peech
                                    FourSeasons Dec 6, 2009 05:20 AM

                                    Let's hope it does not turn out to be a bear-market lunch; i will settle for wonton noodle instead!!!

                              2. re: FourSeasons
                                Charles Yu Nov 27, 2009 02:34 PM

                                Hello ' Chow Master ' Fourseasons!,
                                Wow! Thats one comprehensive and impressive list! As for your assessment, pretty, pretty close to my thoughts! Nothing substantial to add except that the meal I had at the Farm House early this year was very good but the Chui Chow meal at Pak Lok was a disappointment.
                                May be a couple of 'side comment' as well:
                                - Based on the latest super-positive input from fellow chowhounders Peech and Sherman, sounded like Happy Valley's Sun Tung Lok should be in the guide.
                                - Pity the guide cannot evaluate dishes/cuisine coming out of kitchens of private member clubs. Because, IMHO, some of the best food can be found at both the Chinese as well as the Western restaurants of the HK Jockey club in Happy Valley. At least 1*-2*

                                1. re: Charles Yu
                                  hong_kong_foodie Dec 8, 2009 06:18 PM

                                  Anyone know what happened to Lei Garden? I'm surprised five of their restaurants got one star -- does that mean the Michelin team went to every location in HK (presumably multiple times for each location) and spent so much time on one single name?

                                  Also, anyone know what happened to the one in IFC? Going from one of the original two locations with one star to not even a mention in the Bib gourmand section is pretty shocking.

                                  1. re: hong_kong_foodie
                                    klyeoh Dec 8, 2009 06:24 PM

                                    I think Lei Garden at IFC Mall's still the best among the lot. Maybe the Michelin inspectors went during weekend lunch, whence the whole place turns into a circus. Noise level was deafening!!

                                    1. re: klyeoh
                                      Charles Yu Dec 8, 2009 07:38 PM

                                      I thought 'local foodies' rated the Wan Chai's location as having the best food?! Weekly 'food sampling' review meetings headed by the owner is also held in the Wan Chai's location.

                                      1. re: Charles Yu
                                        mikey8811 Dec 8, 2009 10:37 PM

                                        Charles you are right - the Wanchai branch has the best food but is a nightmare to get into especially for dim sum on weekends.

                                        klyeoh, I was just at the IFC Lei Garden for dim sum on a Sunday last month - although I was earlyish - 11.30 and could get a table easily. When I left at 1.00'ish there was no queue.

                                        1. re: mikey8811
                                          klyeoh Dec 9, 2009 12:23 AM

                                          I wondered if Lei Garden rotated some of its best chefs to IFC Mall when it first opened. Then, after the outlet gain a firmed footing, simply switched the chefs around again.

                                          The last time I lunched at IFC Mall was Sun, 15 Nov - went in around 2.30pm. It was, as always, a nightmare - the cacophony of noise was enough to dampen any appetite! I'm going to the Wanchai outlet next time ... early.

                                    2. re: hong_kong_foodie
                                      FourSeasons Dec 9, 2009 01:59 AM

                                      I find Lei Garden to be one of the best managed Cantonese chain. The food has been consistent whether in Guangzhou, Beijing, Macau or Singapore. I have never had a bad meal (except a recent one in Singapore) in so many meals in Lei Garden in different cities. So I am not surprised many of their restaurants have received stars. Having said that, I have not been back to the IFC for the last 2 years (the last one was excellent) and Wanchai for last 3-4 years. I think it is about time to go back to try the Wanchai one on my next trip.

                                      But as much as I like Lei Garden, I don't think Dim Sum is their strongest suit. I much prefer to dine there for the evening ala carte dishes. Their soup is always top notch; 蠟味飯 never disappoint me.

                                      1. re: FourSeasons
                                        mikey8811 Dec 9, 2009 06:45 AM

                                        Yes, agreed. They tend to be more consistent than not. I remember going to Orchard Towers(?) and Chijmes Lei Gardens some years back and they were fine though not as good as the ones in HK. I like both the Dim Sum and the ala carte dishes.

                                        By the way, Four Seasons, are you on Facebook? Would like to look at your food pics if you do post them up there as seems to be the trend by some board members these days.

                                        1. re: mikey8811
                                          FourSeasons Dec 11, 2009 01:30 AM

                                          I think you meant Orchard Shopping Centre, not Orchard Tower. My last meal there just right after their renovation was bad, the first time I felt let down by Lei Garden anywhere. Hopefully, it is just an isolated incident because that place served consistently good Cantonese food before the renovation. Yeah, I agree with you, they are not as good as the HK branches. Cantonese food here in Singapore is just way behind the standard offered in HK; Hua Ting, Imperial Treasure, Crystal Jade pale in comparison to any listed above.

                                          Yes, I am on FB, setting is only to "friends".

                                          1. re: FourSeasons
                                            Peech Dec 11, 2009 02:07 AM

                                            and I still remember going to Lei Garden at the Boulevard Hotel for some of the best Canto meals... but that's ancient history!

                                            1. re: Peech
                                              klyeoh Dec 11, 2009 03:05 PM

                                              Most of the kitchen/service staff from Lei Garden @ Boulevard transplanted to Lei Garden @ Chijmes in 1997, when Boulevard Hotel was pulled down. But some of the magic seemed to have gotten lost during the transition.

                                            2. re: FourSeasons
                                              mikey8811 Dec 13, 2009 10:45 PM

                                              Yes, my bad - Orchard Towers den of ill repute - I remember now.

                                              Hua Ting I thought was better than Lei Garden Chijmes.

                                              1. re: mikey8811
                                                klyeoh Dec 14, 2009 12:28 AM

                                                Hua Ting's Chef Chan Kwok was the one who put the original Crystal Jade restaurant (Cairnhill Hotel) on the foodie's map back in 1991 :-)

                                                1. re: klyeoh
                                                  mikey8811 Dec 14, 2009 12:46 AM

                                                  There used to be a restaurant in Sing called Happy Valley - did they not move to Cairnhill Hotel? They even had a branch in KL for a while..

                                                  1. re: mikey8811
                                                    klyeoh Dec 14, 2009 12:53 AM

                                                    No, but it was Chef Chan Kwok who was in charge of Happy Valley - there's the link :-)

                                                    If I'm not wrong, Crystal Jade restaurant was started by the 3 Leung brothers (Alfred, Jimmy & Vincent - Alfed originally started Happy Valley) but now taken over by his bro-in-law, Ip Yiu Tung.

                                                    Alfred's gone on to start the rival Imperial Treaure restaurant group which offered pretty much the same menu. If many of the wait-staff & restaurant managers look familiar to you, they probably joined from Crystal Jade!

                                                    1. re: klyeoh
                                                      mikey8811 Dec 14, 2009 01:00 AM

                                                      OK got you - I remember something like that - prob the chef left Happy Valley and started up at Cairnhill Hotel. The history of these resto groups are interesting.

                                                      Imperial Treasure is here in KL too. They are apparently going to be in the Thistle chain in London bankrolled by Quek Leng Chan.

                                                      Crystal Jade is doing pretty well everywhere

                                                2. re: mikey8811
                                                  FourSeasons Dec 14, 2009 12:44 AM

                                                  Sorry, mikey, not sure if I agree based on my last experience. My last meal at Hua Ting was poor, the sea whelk it did was downright BAD and charged me close to $50!!! My last meal at Lei Garden Chymes, on the other hand, was excellent. But that was a special menu that I have discussed with the captain prior to the dinner, so perhaps that maybe an exception.

                                                  1. re: FourSeasons
                                                    mikey8811 Dec 14, 2009 01:01 AM

                                                    My experience was some years back so you are probably more correct.

                                                    1. re: mikey8811
                                                      FourSeasons Dec 14, 2009 01:11 AM

                                                      Not sure if I am correct too: I am not a regular in both places because I have been traveling so often to Hong Kong nowadays that I prefer to dine Cantonese food out here.

                                                      1. re: FourSeasons
                                                        klyeoh Dec 14, 2009 04:59 AM

                                                        Absolutely agree, FourSeasons - HK Cantonese restaurants are light-years ahead of Singapore's!

                                      2. re: FourSeasons
                                        ywwan Dec 10, 2009 12:01 AM

                                        I am in shock at Amber. I think the food is overly pretentious and most of the time they do things that do nothing to enhance the flavor of the food just for the sake of showing off that they can do it. As a result you end up with too much foam, a lot of fuss that is not all that well executed when the food is served and scales that taste awful and are are mysteriously left on the fish so because they can fry it and fluff it up. And this from their degustation menu... They don't even deserve one star, much less two. They also stole a two full glasses of our fine wine (which included a 1982 Mouton) which we brought during a private dinner. Apalling behaviour for a restaurant of their supposed calibre. Under impressed and never going back.

                                        Last night however, I had my best fine dining experience in HK so far at Cepage and am very happy to see they got one star. We enjoyed two simple, yet excellent dishes from their white truffle menu and had the most incredible lamb dish there. It was hideously expensive but worth every succulent bite.

                                        1. re: ywwan
                                          Charles Yu Dec 10, 2009 05:51 AM

                                          Stealing wine?!!! Thats disgusting behaviour for a Michelin 2* establishment! I would send management a letter and complain!

                                          1. re: Charles Yu
                                            big_apple_ken Dec 10, 2009 05:56 AM

                                            How did they 'steal' your wine? Did they open it for you and then you noticed the bottle was 2/3 full?

                                          2. re: ywwan
                                            M_Gomez Dec 10, 2009 07:00 PM

                                            Very strong words, indeed! But ywwan, Amber is part of the Mandarin Oriental hotel set-up - you can make legitimate complaint to the management immediately, instead of letting it slip by!

                                            I've been to Amber a couple of times, and rather liked it more than Pierre at the older Mandarin Oriental hotel. But you're right about the "pretentiousness" of the food there - both Amber and Pierre are into experimental molecular gastronomy - something which (call me oldfashioned) I simply cannot stomach!

                                            1. re: M_Gomez
                                              ywwan Dec 10, 2009 10:16 PM

                                              We brought 3 bottles of wine with us and bought some champagne from them. Two were reds that needed to be decanted. We were in a private room, we saw everything that was happening. They set aside two full glasses, one from each bottle and poured the rest into two decanters, which they started to pour for us immediately. Then in the middle of the dinner service, the waiter just calmly strolled out with both glasses. It was a stupid thing to do, as they were full glasses from two 100pt bottles - there was no way we wouldn't have noticed or would have let it just slide. We didn't make a fuss then as we were kind of shocked and it was a birthday dinner party where we still had a few courses coming. After we settled the bill, the more we thought about it, the more upset we felt so we called the manager and complained about it. She obviously knew about it, she didn't even have to check with the waiter or try to deny it happened but immediately offered to comp us 10% of our bill. Her shoddy "official excuse" was that they coated the decanter with the two glasses but that was not at all what they did. It was just how she probably accounted for the discount internally. What really happened was that some of the staff probably shared the wine amongst themselves. We frequently bring our own wine to many fine establishments and if the somnelier actually has the curtesy of coming in to discuss the vintage with us, we are happy to share. But this on occasion we didn't even see the somnelier and they didn't even ask so it was just theft and really quite shocking for such a supposedly high class establishment. And the food, which was the degustation menu minus the cheeses, wasn't just forgettable, we left wanting to forget about it.

                                              1. re: ywwan
                                                Peech Dec 11, 2009 02:11 AM

                                                not a fan of Amber... for much the same reason as you mentioned on the food. My first impression nearly 3 years ago was poor. Things have improved since then: http://chi-he-wan-le.blogspot.com/200...

                                                Much prefer Pierre for the more creative stuff.

                                                1. re: Peech
                                                  ywwan Dec 11, 2009 09:02 PM

                                                  Agree, I really wish I had seen your blog before booking Amber Peech!

                                                2. re: ywwan
                                                  M_Gomez Dec 11, 2009 04:17 AM

                                                  Oh my, what a shockingly brazen thing to do. I'd have apprehended the waiter, called the manager, and raised a scene! You must have the most patience & highest tolerance limit in HK!

                                                  1. re: M_Gomez
                                                    ywwan Dec 11, 2009 09:03 PM

                                                    It was very clear that he manager was also in on it...

                                                    1. re: ywwan
                                                      Charles Yu Dec 12, 2009 05:18 AM

                                                      Why doesn't someone simply forward this posting to Mandarin Oriental's management?

                                                  2. re: ywwan
                                                    Bonerappetit Jun 20, 2010 08:22 PM

                                                    It happens all the time, if a customer leaves behind some wine the waiters would share it out. But in this case, instead of letting you finish what you can and leaving some behind, they stole it...

                                              2. re: FourSeasons
                                                tkamp Dec 11, 2009 02:57 PM

                                                > I will not include Wing Lei on the list
                                                I went there 3/4 of a year ago and it was one big freaking MSG joint.
                                                Either they have become better or the Michelin guys forgot about.
                                                It is sad to see that some of the "honest" (use no MSG for sure) Chinese restaurants lost their stars.

                                                1. re: FourSeasons
                                                  Foodnut8 Jun 29, 2010 01:51 PM

                                                  Would you award any 3* to any Chinese restaurant?

                                                  Any thoughts on some places near TST that are high on Openrice like
                                                  Hung Tao, Golden Palace Seaview, Coulour Crystal, Loong Yat Heen


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                                                  CoolWiz Dec 13, 2009 11:10 AM

                                                  The full list is below.

                                                  These are the really affordable ones:

                                                  Tim’s Kitchen 桃花源小廚 (2 Stars) - I had great lunch there for less than US$10 per person.
                                                  Din Tai Fung 鼎泰豐 (1 Star) - Best Xiao Lung Bao (Steamed Pork Dumpling) in town
                                                  Hung's Delicacies 阿鴻小吃 (1 Star) - Lunch or dinner for less than US$10 per person
                                                  Loaf On 六福菜館 (1 Star) - Haven't been there yet.
                                                  Tim Ho Wan 添好運 (1 Star)


                                                  Hong Kong: Michelin Starred Restaurants 2010 香港:米其林星級餐廳

                                                  *** 3 Star ***

                                                  Lung King Heen 龍景軒

                                                  ** 2 Star **

                                                  Fook Lam Moon (Wan Chai) 福臨門 ( 灣仔 )
                                                  L'Atelier de Joël Robuchon
                                                  Ming Court 明閣
                                                  Petrus 珀翠
                                                  Shang Palace 香宮
                                                  T’ang Court 唐閣
                                                  Tim’s Kitchen 桃花源小廚

                                                  * 1 Star *

                                                  Bo Innovation
                                                  Celebrity Cuisine 名人坊
                                                  Din Tai Fung 鼎泰豐
                                                  Dynasty (Wan Chai) 滿福樓 ( 灣仔 )
                                                  Farm House 農圃
                                                  Fook Lam Moon (Kowloon) 福臨門 ( 九龍 )
                                                  Forum 富臨
                                                  Golden Leaf 金葉庭
                                                  Hang Zhou 杭州酒家
                                                  Hung's Delicacies 阿鴻小吃
                                                  Hutong 胡同
                                                  Island Tang 港島廳
                                                  Lei Garden (Elements) 利苑酒家 ( 圓方 )
                                                  Lei Garden (Mong Kok) 利苑酒家 ( 旺角 )
                                                  Lei Garden (North Point) 利苑酒家 ( 北角 )
                                                  Lei Garden (Tsim Sha Tsui) 利苑酒家 ( 尖沙咀 )
                                                  Lei Garden (Wan Chai) 利苑酒家 ( 灣仔 )
                                                  Loaf On 六福菜館
                                                  Mandarin Grill + Bar 文華扒房 + 酒吧
                                                  Morton’s of Chicago
                                                  Regal Palace 富豪金殿
                                                  Summer Palace 夏宮
                                                  The Drawing Room
                                                  The Square 翠玉軒
                                                  Tim Ho Wan 添好運
                                                  Wagyu Kaiseki Den
                                                  Yan Toh Heen 欣圖軒
                                                  Yat Tung Heen (Wan Chai) 逸東軒 ( 灣仔 )
                                                  Yè Shanghai (Kowloon) 夜上海 ( 九龍 )
                                                  Yung Kee (Central) 鏞記 ( 中環 )

                                                  41 Replies
                                                  1. re: CoolWiz
                                                    FourSeasons Dec 13, 2009 07:22 PM

                                                    What did you have for your lunch at Tim's kitchen for less than US$10 per person? I went to the Macau branch; its signature dish Glass Shrimp itself is around HK$150 per piece (around US$20) not including other dishes. My friends just came back from Hong Kong, claiming they spend HK$7,000 for a table for 10 persons. So beware of what you order, may not be "really affordable" category.

                                                    1. re: FourSeasons
                                                      klyeoh Dec 14, 2009 12:39 AM

                                                      I think CoolWiz ordered one of those noodle/rice lunch plates which went for HK$45 (correct me if I'm wrong, CoolWiz). See extract of menu on 16 Nov below.

                                                      CoolWiz, you'll need to try Tim's Kitchen's a la carte dishes (especially the seafood ones, and those which require advance order) to fully appreciate why it's gotten 2-Michelin stars.

                                                      At the original HK outlet, a Crystal King Prawn costs HK$110 each, whilst the Braised Whole Fresh Crab Claw was HK$160 each. But they're worth it!

                                                      1. re: klyeoh
                                                        theskyflyer Dec 18, 2009 04:07 PM

                                                        We're going to HKG in Spring '10 and unfortunately only have 1 day (arrive Fri night, leave Sun AM). As such, we'll only have one lunch and one dinner and have decided on Caprice and Lung King Heen. Should we do lunch at LKH and dinner at Caprice or vice versa? Since it's a Saturday, I assume LKH would serve dimsum. Also, there's only 2 of us, so we won't be able to sample many dishes :-( Any particular dishes that we should try in these 2 places?

                                                        1. re: theskyflyer
                                                          Peech Dec 18, 2009 11:33 PM

                                                          sigh...hasn't anyone learned anything from all the posts we have put up? LKH is NOT 3-star quality...

                                                          1. re: Peech
                                                            theskyflyer Dec 19, 2009 02:54 AM

                                                            Yup, I gather that... but it's extremely convenient since we'll be staying at FS! :-)

                                                            We have a friend staying at CONRAD, so maybe we should substitute LKH with Golden Leaf (a one star)?

                                                            1. re: theskyflyer
                                                              Charles Yu Dec 19, 2009 05:41 AM

                                                              Agree with Peech!
                                                              BTW, many one stars around the world have 'better food' than their 3 stars rivals!!.
                                                              Another suggestion is lunch at Caprice and dinner at Tim's Kitchen, the newly promoted 2* Cantonese food specialist with great food! Since FS is in between Golden leaf and Tim's, the choice from the 'distance perspective' is up to you!

                                                              1. re: Charles Yu
                                                                mikey8811 Dec 19, 2009 06:29 AM

                                                                Agreed with Charles - Tim's is excellent or even Yung Kee 4th Floor preferable to LKH - neither are far from Four Seasons - aftre all this is HK.

                                                                1. re: Charles Yu
                                                                  skylineR33 Dec 19, 2009 07:18 AM

                                                                  Agree with Peech, Charles and mikey8811 , if you are staying at FS, why do you still want to eat there the whole day for the only day you have in HK ? I would rather go out to walk around the city a bit.

                                                            2. re: theskyflyer
                                                              138ctf Dec 6, 2010 12:50 PM

                                                              Dim sum at Lung King Heen and dinner at Caprice is better. Expect to pay HK$ 1,000.00 for dim sum and HK$ 3,000.00 at Caprice with a bottle of wine. If you two are small eaters, my forecast would be pretty acurate. Lung King Heen should have a set dim sum for two and you cannot go wrong but book before you arrive since there are far too many wealthy families go to dine on Sunday.

                                                        2. re: CoolWiz
                                                          Uncle Yabai Dec 19, 2009 05:28 PM

                                                          And both Man Wah and Gaddi's are missing, yet again...

                                                          1. re: Uncle Yabai
                                                            Charles Yu Dec 19, 2009 07:17 PM

                                                            Gaddi's is over-rated! Food tries to be sophisticated but very often fall short in taste. Posh decor plus history alone will not earn it a star. Makes me want to compare it to Paris' Maxim or La Tour D'Argent.
                                                            On the other hand, Man Wah's offering is comparable to Ming Court, Tang Court, Golden Leaf , Yan Toh Heen as well as the Shangri La's restaurants - all Michelin star(s) holders. Next year may be? But then 1 Harbour Road or Spring Moon didn't get a star either?!

                                                            1. re: Charles Yu
                                                              Uncle Yabai Dec 20, 2009 12:18 AM

                                                              I believe Spring Moon had one last year, I guess it lost it. I can't make heads or tails of these choices, really.

                                                              1. re: Uncle Yabai
                                                                Peech Dec 21, 2009 06:09 PM

                                                                None of Peninsula's restaurants in HK have had stars

                                                                1. re: Peech
                                                                  Uncle Yabai Dec 21, 2009 08:40 PM

                                                                  Didn't Spring Moon had one last year? Maybe I'm confused.

                                                                  1. re: Uncle Yabai
                                                                    agaaga Dec 21, 2009 09:17 PM

                                                                    Peech is right. None of Peninsula's restaurants - Gaddi's, Spring Moon, Felix, Verandah, Salon de Ning - have received any stars. Rumour has it the Peninsula politely refused to be rated by Michelin. I don't know whether that is true, but I personally like Gaddi's very much. :)

                                                                    1. re: agaaga
                                                                      M_Gomez Dec 21, 2009 10:07 PM

                                                                      I absolutely adore Gaddi's. Felix is nice, but too swish & trendy for me - I prefer bright, "traditional" places, like Caprice for eg.

                                                                      Spring Moon - oh dear, they were so very good when they first opened. But I was there perhaps 3 times in the last 6 months, and every visit had been a real let-down. By the way, never go there for dim sum - they do have great service, but every item tasted pretty average. You get much better dim sum at Fu Sing, Lei Garden, Lung King Heen, etc.

                                                                      1. re: M_Gomez
                                                                        Uncle Yabai Dec 22, 2009 12:52 AM

                                                                        I stand corrected. I have never found Spring Moon to be "all that". The dim sum is pretty average and expensive as all hell. If I'm going to pay that kind of dough (pun intended) I'd rather eat at LKH.

                                                              2. re: Charles Yu
                                                                Indy 67 Dec 22, 2009 05:56 PM

                                                                I looked at Man Wah's menu and I saw something that intrigued me. Sarting with the soup category, and continuing through the remainder of the menu the prices are expressed as per person prices. Since my husband and I will be dining as a couple rather than part of a large group, this price structure has some appeal. Am I correct in inferring we could order single portions of twice the number of dishes we would ordinarily order to create something approaching a typical varied Chinese meal? Or are the dishes only prepared for the number of persons at the table?


                                                                1. re: Indy 67
                                                                  klyeoh Dec 22, 2009 08:56 PM

                                                                  Yes, it's individually priced. You & your husband can even opt for different dishes for each course, but served at the same time together - Western-style.

                                                                  This system has become quite common in high-end Chinese restaurants these days.

                                                                  1. re: klyeoh
                                                                    Indy 67 Dec 23, 2009 05:02 AM

                                                                    Thanks for this very useful information.

                                                                    Incidentally, when I looked at the web site for Man Wah, I recognized the wooden grille work from Vong where my husband and I ate in 2002. We loved our meal there. When/why did Vong cease to exist?

                                                                    1. re: Indy 67
                                                                      Peech Dec 23, 2009 05:05 AM

                                                                      Vong bit the dust as part of the MO's overhaul a couple of years ago. I was never a big fan - it was just OK. Much happier with Pierre instead.

                                                                      1. re: Peech
                                                                        klyeoh Dec 23, 2009 08:06 AM

                                                                        How our tastes have changed over the years! I was working/living in HK when Vong opened in Sep 1997. I went there on the first week of its operation, when Jean-Georges Vongerichten was at the top of his game - and his French-Thai fusion cuisine totally blew us away - we never had anything like that till then. When we were shown the dessert menu (with 6 items) - I remembered ordering everything, eventhough there were only two of us!
                                                                        SCMP interviewed Jean-George that weekend, and I remembered him mentioning that his most memorable meal in HK at the time was at Fook Lam Moon!

                                                                        1. re: klyeoh
                                                                          Indy 67 Dec 23, 2009 09:18 AM

                                                                          My husband's and my reaction to Vong was similar to klyeoh's; we simply had never tasted anything like the food we ate that night. Couple that with the glorious interior (I can't think of too many other restaurants where I've eaten once almost a decade ago, yet I still recall interior design details.) and a phenomenal view. Definitely a memorable evening!

                                                                          1. re: Indy 67
                                                                            Uncle Yabai Dec 24, 2009 01:12 AM

                                                                            Vong indeed had its day in the sun. One of the best meals I had in Hong Kong was sometime in 2003 at the kitchen table there. It was a very elaborate menu and it was simply stunning. I was also very surprised to see that the kitchen was extremely quiet and efficient, I always thought that it would be total chaos at all times, especially in Hong Kong.

                                                                            On the other hand, I was never blown away by the food in the main dining room. It was a good standby, but wouldn't go out of my way to eat there.

                                                                            1. re: Uncle Yabai
                                                                              Charles Yu Dec 24, 2009 05:35 AM

                                                                              On a side note, I was stunned to walk into the 3* Jean George in NYC at lunch time to find it only 2/3 full and a $29 two course luncheon menu! Must be one of the great bargains in town. For that money you can have Skate in Chateaux Chalon sauce and Caramelized sweetbread with aged sherry vinegrette....etc

                                                                              1. re: Charles Yu
                                                                                Indy 67 Dec 24, 2009 12:08 PM

                                                                                Were you in the second room or the first room? Your mention of the prix fixe makes me think you were actually in Nougatine, a less-formal restaurant that is well known for its great prix-fixe bargain lunch. The best way to describe the food at Nougatine is Jean-Georges lite -- the cuisine of the master but dishes that are less labor intensive. The two restaurants are next to one another, and, I don't believe there is any signage to distinguish one from the other.

                                                                                1. re: Indy 67
                                                                                  skylineR33 Dec 24, 2009 12:12 PM

                                                                                  The main dining room of Jean-George is the one that get 3 Michelin star. They have a different menu than the 'lite' Nougatine (ie, you get different food in there). The $29 is the prix-fixe at the 'main dining room' for lunch and it is like around $15 for each extra course.

                                                                                  1. re: Indy 67
                                                                                    Charles Yu Dec 24, 2009 12:55 PM

                                                                                    No! It was the 3* main dining room! Thats why I commented its one of the best deal in town!

                                                                                    1. re: Charles Yu
                                                                                      Indy 67 Dec 24, 2009 03:22 PM

                                                                                      Wow! Your three exclamation points are indeed justified for such a great deal for great food.

                                                                                      A couple of years ago, my husband and I were in Manhattan for the weekend to celebrate a milestone anniversary at Jean-Georges. We loved our meal, but we assumed Nougatine would be the only way to experience the chef's exquisite food in a more price-conscious version. I'll have to remember this deal the next time we're in NYC.

                                                                                  2. re: Charles Yu
                                                                                    ywwan Dec 26, 2009 07:05 AM

                                                                                    Jean Georges has THE BEST weekday lunch deal in NYC - used to go there all the time because I really, really prefer not to eat 7 courses at one go. But it sounds like you didn't dine in the formal dining room, where I think its something like $22 for 2 courses and then $11 for each additional course. You get a choice of almost everything on the dinner menu for a much more reasonable price. You can also eat from this menu AT THE BAR in the casual dining room but not at any of the tables.

                                                                                    1. re: ywwan
                                                                                      skylineR33 Dec 26, 2009 08:10 AM

                                                                                      Unless it has been changed in this 2 months, as I said, Jean Georges lunch deal in the main dining room is $29 for 2 course and about $15 for an extra course. There are also certain courses which charges a supplement. It is not only for weekday because this deal also available on Saturday. I had been there recently.

                                                                                    2. re: Charles Yu
                                                                                      kosmose7 Dec 26, 2009 02:05 PM

                                                                                      Currently at Jean Georges dining room, it's $29 for two plates and $14.50 for each additional plate, except egg caviar, for which they charge an additional $30.
                                                                                      I think they offer one of the best lunch deals in NYC. However, if you add wine to pair with the meal, bottled water, tax and gratuity, the bill ends up with a much higher amount. Har..

                                                                                      Nougatine by Jean Georges, a more casual establishment next to the formal Jean Georges dining room, offers more affordable meals as ywwan said. Nougatine and Jean Georges dining room also share the same chef and kitchen staff.

                                                                                    3. re: Uncle Yabai
                                                                                      kosmose7 Dec 26, 2009 02:03 PM

                                                                                      And before Vong, there used to be Pierrot, a classic French restaurant, which was later replaced by Vong. I really liked their food. It was one of the best in H.K. back then.

                                                                                      1. re: kosmose7
                                                                                        Charles Yu Dec 26, 2009 03:16 PM

                                                                                        Pierrot! Wow! Those were the days!! Brought back memory of another high end Italian restaurant, Toscana, in the now closed Ritz Carlton!

                                                                                        1. re: Charles Yu
                                                                                          Uncle Yabai Dec 26, 2009 05:54 PM

                                                                                          Toscana was excellent. But I believe Umberto is plying his trade somewhere else (I think discussed here also) biding his time for the new RC at ICC to reopen.

                                                                                        2. re: kosmose7
                                                                                          Peech Dec 26, 2009 05:38 PM

                                                                                          I was thinking about mentioning Pierrot and I'm glad someone did. I did like Pierrot a lot - where I used to take my dates - and was very sad when it was replaced by Vong. But now I've got Pierre, which is one of my favorites in HK.

                                                                                          1. re: Peech
                                                                                            Charles Yu Dec 26, 2009 06:22 PM

                                                                                            Happy Holiday Peech!
                                                                                            Ah! The romantic and sentimental side of you that chowmeets did not reveal! Ha!!!

                                                                        2. re: Uncle Yabai
                                                                          138ctf Dec 6, 2010 12:54 PM

                                                                          Man Wah and Gaddi's are fading out these days. I believe you must be over 60 as they were hot in the 80.
                                                                          Go to Summer Palace and Petrus at the Island Shangri-la instead.

                                                                          1. re: 138ctf
                                                                            Uncle Yabai Dec 9, 2010 03:58 PM

                                                                            Petrus? You must be a centenarian then. Talk about frozen in aspic.

                                                                            1. re: Uncle Yabai
                                                                              klyeoh Dec 9, 2010 06:36 PM

                                                                              LOL! My sentiments exactly.

                                                                              1. re: klyeoh
                                                                                Charles Yu Dec 9, 2010 07:28 PM

                                                                                Although not Michelin Star rated, however, the luncheon tasting menu I had at Gaddi's about a year ago was very enjoyable! Actually, the food was better than the 1* Cafe Gray Deluxe. Once in a while, I do enjoy a 'posh', serious and elegant dining experience! 'Bygone elegance' do has its charm!

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