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Ramen without pork? Where can it be found?

Senor Popusa Nov 16, 2009 10:55 AM

Does anyone have suggestions for where I could find miso or shoyu ramen that do not have pork in the base or broth? I know what makes many ramen tasty is the pork, but that is not an option.

Not just referring to not having the slices of pork floating in the soup but looking for soup without it as an ingredient.

Any ramen house suggestions? Many thanks!

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    assassin Dec 7, 2009 04:18 PM

    Ramen-ya near Sawtelle in West LA has a couple (I think). There is one with corn and tofu and egg-drop soup as the base.

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      Jerome Nov 18, 2009 05:32 PM

      call kyushu ramen in the valley on sherman way.

      they have some ramen with miso base, some with shoyu base, and some wtih the kotteri and bone base. butthey can tell you if the liquid is vegetarian for the shoyu or miso base ramens.

      1. J.L. Nov 18, 2009 09:25 AM

        I wonder if rameniac will chime in...

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          aizan Nov 16, 2009 07:58 PM

          i've been to ramen california several times, and i would only recommend their masala ramen. my cousin from tokyo, who visited last month, agreed that the chicken stock was good for nothing.

          on the other hand, asa ramen makes a good chicken stock.

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            epop Nov 17, 2009 12:22 AM

            he may be from Tokyo but i disagree with him. What's wrong with their chicken broth? It is light and clean.

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              aizan Nov 17, 2009 09:09 AM

              it's a stock, not a broth. it works well enough on the ramens that have additional flavorings: parmesan, masala, or tomatoes. these flavorings on their own are very salty and concentrated, so they basically season the liquid when you stir them in. on their own as side dishes, the salt is overbearing.

              the stock's shortcomings are evident in the ramens that don't have these strong flavorings: vegetable, chicken, or microgreen. aside from a lack of seasoning, there isn't that unctuousness you get from gelatin. they compensate with quite a bit of olive oil. maybe that's the idea. anyhow, it's too oily for me. the oil is bitter, so at least you know it's either good and fresh...or rancid!

              if they get groceries from trader joe's, which i have a feeling they do (isn't the gnocchi awfully familiar?), i wouldn't be surprised if the olive oil was rancid on those occasions. i've gotten a couple of bad battles there lately. anyhow, getting sidetracked.

              imagine a tug of war over salt between the flavorings and the stock. right now, all of the salt is in the flavorings, leaving the stock high and dry. i think it would be much better if they shared the salt. the flavorings wouldn't be so salty when offered as side dishes, and the stock would keep the noodles happy when they're on their own.

              in any case, i give full credit to ramen california for inverting the traditional hierarchy of prizing the stock above all else. the flavorings are in charge here, at least the ones that are up to it. if nothing else, it's daring.

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                mrhooks Nov 17, 2009 05:17 PM

                Just call it soup. :P As cooking evolves, the definitions start to get fuzzy and overlap. IMHO "stock" implies ingredient, not finished product to be consumed, even though the process of making ramen soup is more stock-like than broth-like.

                Expecting Ramen California to be like traditional ramen is a recipe for disappointment. I like it very much for what it is, but it does not replace traditional ramen.

                The soup tastes just fine to me. And overbearing salt in heirloom tomatoes?

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                Ramen California
                24231 Crenshaw Blvd, Torrance, CA 90505

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                  aizan Nov 17, 2009 08:05 PM

                  expecting is the wrong word...i went there looking for something different. that's the main reason i've gone three times so far.

                  ugh, the heirloom tomatoes. those cute little cold, soggy blobs could really do without so much salt (or oregano). they're ok when used as intended, though.

                  on their own terms, as far as i can tell the dishes and menu still need a lot of work.

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                    mrhooks Nov 24, 2009 11:20 AM

                    Weird. I didn't taste salt or oregano in the heirloom tomatoes the times I had that ramen. All I tasted were tomatoes, and they were delicious.

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                      aizan Dec 4, 2009 08:15 PM

                      http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/Z7tqXF...

                      there's the oregano-a-go-go. you really couldn't taste it?

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                        mrhooks Dec 21, 2009 09:22 PM

                        Perhaps my memory is faulty, it was a long time ago. But no, I don't remember anything but the flavor of the tomatoes. They looked a lot better than they did in that photo too - peeled but still round and perfect.

                        Maybe there was oregano in there. But one thing is for sure, I don't remember the tomatoes being overwhelmed in any way by anything.

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                  epop Nov 18, 2009 05:29 PM

                  I had the one with all the vegetables in a chicken broth and it wasn't the least bit oily. Went only once. It was a light broth but with the chili paste added I loved it.

            2. Professor Salt Nov 16, 2009 07:40 PM

              In Orange County, Oki Doki makes ramen with an excellent chicken broth. Ask for it without the slice of roast pork, though. The original location is in Costa Mesa (not Santa Ana as listed below). The second location is in Tustin on Newport Ave.

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              Oki Doki
              3033 S Bristol St, Costa Mesa, CA 92626

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                epop Nov 16, 2009 05:20 PM

                Chabuya and Calfornia Ramen (excellent).

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                Chabuya
                2002 Sawtelle Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90025

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                  TracyS Nov 23, 2009 02:27 PM

                  Both these suggestions are exactly spot on.

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                  Chandavkl Nov 16, 2009 12:17 PM

                  Not miso or shoyu broth, but the chicken broth ramen with chicken at Chabuya on Sawtelle is quite tasty.

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                  Chabuya
                  2002 Sawtelle Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90025

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                    J.L. Nov 16, 2009 03:32 PM

                    Second Chabuya.

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                    Chabuya
                    2002 Sawtelle Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90025

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                      a_and_w Nov 18, 2009 06:53 AM

                      Third Chabuya.

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                      Chabuya
                      2002 Sawtelle Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90025

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                        Senor Popusa Nov 24, 2009 09:53 AM

                        Checked out Chabuya for lunch yesterday due to the many recs from the Hounds. Enjoyed the chicken broth ramen with chicken in it. Good flavor. Chabuya also has easy parking and in a stoke of luck, I ran into a friend I hadn't seen in a while and we had lunch together. Thanks hounds! While I preferred Foo Foo Tei's ramen, I suspect I will be going back to Chabuya regularly due to the convenience and its tasty food.

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                          J.L. Nov 24, 2009 04:46 PM

                          Yay for Chabuya!

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                        exilekiss Nov 16, 2009 12:00 PM

                        Hi Senor Popusa,

                        Foo Foo Tei (Hacienda Heights) has a great Shio Ramen (and Miso Ramen), along with many other flavors (31 in all), all with no Pork in the Soup. Their Shio is one of the best pure Shio Ramen in town.

                        But be sure to tell them to replace the accompanying Chashu (Roast Pork) Slices with something else. And for some of the other flavors, e.g., Ma-Bo Ramen, they use Sauteed Tofu & Ground Pork as a topping, so you'll want to avoid that. Just mention your dietary restriction to the waitress and she'll clarify any toppings that are Pork-based (to abstain from).

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                        Foo-Foo Tei
                        15018 Clark Ave, Hacienda Heights, CA 91745

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                          OCAnn Nov 17, 2009 09:07 AM

                          2nd Foo Foo Tei. It's a large whole-in-the-wall kinda place, but serves up good home-style (and some not-so-home-style) food....

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                            Senor Popusa Nov 17, 2009 08:42 PM

                            Thanks to your rec I made the trek to Foo Foo Tei today. I had the Shio that exilekiss recommended without the chashu. I enjoyed the broth, noodles and the bok choy.

                            Also got the cold tofu appetizer. Service was amiable and fast.

                            I'd go back when I am downtown or points east, but it was hard to justify the 30 mile trip in each direction from west LA, as much as I enjoyed my soup.

                            Chabuya is only a short drive away, so I'll try and hit it up later this week. Save on gas...

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                            Chabuya
                            2002 Sawtelle Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90025

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                              OCAnn Nov 17, 2009 08:49 PM

                              Amazingly, exile & another CH poster has tried all (IIRC) 31 types of ramen and it was based on those reviews that I ended up going. It's a bit of a trek even from north OC, but worth it when the craving calls.

                              Glad you enjoyed them. We've tried a few of their dishes and still need to return to try more. =)

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