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Goldin's Smoked Meat at Home

jayt90 Nov 15, 2009 08:51 PM

I acquired a deckle point brisket of Goldin's to try this weekend.
It was a triangular, piece, like a skate wing, about 1" thick, with no upper/lower division. The cost was $27.50 for 2.8 lb on my scale, Foodsaver wrapped.

I simmered the bag for 3 hours in a le Creuset oval dutch oven.
At the same time I simmered a 3.6 lb Dunn's smoked brisket in a Batali dutch oven. The cost of this cut was $18.90. It was well marbled,whereas the Goldin's has no exposed surface.

I tasted both in thin sliceslate Saturday night. The Dunn's was cooked perfectly, and had good flavor. It was unctuous.
The Goldin's had better spicing, even a little smoke, but was too tough to seriously serve, without a machine slicer. There was sinew throughout, and the bottom layer of at was distinctly gristly. I went back to the Dunn's for seconds, and I avoided the Goldin's while still hungry.

I put both aside to reconsider Sunday night.

I added a coating of smoked Spanish paprika to the Dunn's, as it was missing some of the spiciness of Goldin's. I wrapped both in double layers of aluminum foil, and put Goldin's into a 280F oven for an hour; Dunn's into a 280F oven for 25 minutes.

Both were sliced, sandwiched, and received French's Deli mustard.

Dunn's was meltingly tender, with good flavor, and a good hit of smoke and hotness that lasted.

Goldin's was not so tough as before, but still challenging and chewy. The flavor and spicing were superb.
I found it perplexing. Obviously well cured but from a tough old cow.
If it was not so expensive, I would buy another, to prove myself wrong. But it is expensive, hard to get, and apparently inconsistent.

Photo #1 Dunn's in cryovac
Photo #2 Dunn's on rye
Photo#3 Goldin's cut at thickest point
Photo#4 Goldin's on Breadhouse Austrian

For a photo of the gristly bottom of the deckle, see http://www.chow.com/photos/401852

 
 
 
 
  1. duckdown Nov 16, 2009 01:20 AM

    Also; I am curious, did you boil-in-the-bag the Dunn's piece as well? I asked if that would work in another post before and nobody was 100% sure if it would work or not (like the Goldin's method)... I don't have any large steamers so its much more convenient

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      jayt90 Nov 16, 2009 04:26 AM

      The Dunn's was cut in half with the fattier end placed in a Ziploc freezer bag and simmered. It was buoyant, but some water leaked into the bag and dissolved some spicing.
      The reheat was done in foil in an oven, after rubbing with smoked hot paprika and some pickling spice. That is probably how I'll do the remaining piece next weekend.

      Meantime, I've got plenty of smoked meat for lunches and maybe corned beef hash this week.

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        Nyleve Nov 16, 2009 06:19 AM

        The one time I made a Dunn's brisket, I removed it from the package and steamed it for, like, 2 hours over simmering water. Aren't you supposed to take it out of the plastic before cooking? Just as a rule, I avoid cooking in plastic - ever - but the instructions on the package says to steam it naked, I thought.

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          Yongeman Nov 17, 2009 05:14 AM

          I agree with you on both counts, Nyleve. I haven't yet tried a Goldin's, but I've steamed both Dunn's and Schwartz's in a large pasta cooker with a steamer insert. Great results.

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      acd123 Nov 16, 2009 05:21 AM

      I'm shocked that you don't like Goldin's. Very surprised that you found it tough.

      Every one I've made (and it has been about 6), has been meltingly tender.

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        LTL Nov 16, 2009 07:57 AM

        My experience has been the same with Goldin's - tender to the point of falling apart when slicing (not a bad thing in my opinion). I don't have a mechanical slicer but have a two prong giant fork and knife slicing set that does the trick.

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          acd123 Nov 16, 2009 08:04 AM

          Yeah, a definitely have to get myself one of those forks. My finger are not made of asbestos. Last time, I used to back of a spoon.

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        simplepieman Nov 17, 2009 04:11 AM

        Considering the Dunn's is cooked and the Goldin's isn't, it might have been preferable to give the Goldin's a head start of an hour or two. I've only tried the Goldin's once at home, and we gave it a good 5 hours of steaming. First we steamed it in the bag in a large saucepan of water for about 3 hours. Then we tranfereed it to a covered roasting pan on the stovetop, on a rack over a half-inch or so of water (out of the bag), and we threw in some carrots, potatoes and cabbage to make a proper meal of it. The brisket was incredibly tender and tasty. We served up the meat with a loaf of silverstein's light rye and 4 kinds of mustard.

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          Yongeman Nov 17, 2009 05:15 AM

          How is Goldin's not cooked? It's smoked, isn't it? Is it cold smoked?

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            jayt90 Nov 17, 2009 05:31 AM

            It was raw out of the package, with a spicy aroma including a bit of smoke. Maybe it is bathed in smoke for a an hour or so, but the meat is definitely raw.
            Three hours simmering in the bag is recommended, but mine needed more.

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              grandgourmand Nov 17, 2009 07:17 AM

              Maybe it's the Le Creuset vs. Batali cookware impace?

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                embee Nov 17, 2009 07:57 AM

                I don't know anything about Goldin's smoking time or temperature, but the meat was nowhere near fully cooked when supplied. He has not shared his methods - at least not with me. I've only had Goldin's product twice (too salty the first time; perfect the second), but there will certainly be more in the future, as my own pastrami season has likely ended.

                I'll also be eating plenty of Caplansky's over the winter as well. I don't understand the whole "whose is better" thing going on. They are different. Both are good.You may have a clear preference. I have liked both very much, but I like my own better than either.

                While I've never heard of cold smoked pastrami/smoked meat, there's no reason it couldn't be done that way.

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