Psst... We're working on the next generation of Chowhound! View >
HOME > Chowhound > France >
Nov 9, 2009 02:02 PM

Au Pied de Cochon, Bofinger, Chartier-which is most fun?

I know, I know, these places are touristy, but I've been to Paris many times and am taking my 20-year old niece who has never been. This type of brasserie is, imho, an absolute must for a first-timer. Maybe not the most spectacular cuisine in Paris, but oh, the atmosphere! I've been to Au Pied de Cochon more than once so I'm quite familiar w/it's pros & cons. However, I've never been to Bofinger (mostly because I try to avoid the evil Group Flo!) so I'm leaning toward Bofinger just so that I can see it. Of course, either will be a fun experience for my little cupcake. The whole idea is atmosphere and fun! Please 'hounds, weigh in if you have strong opinions on which is the better choice. I'm throwing Chartier into the mix also so please feel free to weigh in on that as well. (I'm talking about dinner, either on a Friday around 10:00 p.m. or Sunday around 9:00 p.m.) Thank you!

  1. Click to Upload a photo (10 MB limit)
  1. I would add "Lipp" to the list as I think the people watching is far better, especially in the front section. OK they are rude, the food is sub par and the prices are high. But for me it still attracts a lot of the old monied residents of the 7eme and that adds lots of characters. Bofinger has lots of similar attributes, but for me it doesn't have same "class".

    1. The original comment has been removed
      1. I've never been to Chartier or Lipp, but I have been to both the others, and I preferred Au Pied de Cochon. The onion soup was fine, and it was a great place for lunch on a chilly October day after shopping at Dehillerin.

        If I were to go back to one or the other, it would be APC.

        6 Replies
        1. re: ChefJune

          If you were to point a gun at me to choose from the 3, and if somehow I did not have to queue, then my choice at gunpoint would be Chartier, not because its inherent qualities, but because of the original sin of the other two places.
          And if I could add a touristy spot to the list, it would be Le Train Bleu. Look at that ceiling and your forget your food ! Get blotto drunk and take a night train to Venice…

          1. re: Parigi

            Point a gun at me and I'll squeal Astier for fun, whoops it's not on the list, tant pis.

            John talbott

            1. re: John Talbott

              Shoot me, but I really like the choucroute at Bofinger. I avoid the lines by getting it takeout, and also avoid the French abhorrence of people who share meals. I find that one order is enough to feed two people. Ok, maybe I add a green salad and a baguette.

              I think with the TVA drop a single order costs around 17 Euros in the restaurant but only 15 Euros to take out.With two orders I can invite two people to dinner and have leftovers.

              I should note that I live within walking distance of Bofinger, so takeout is particularly easy. I've only actually eaten inside at lunch. It is a beautiful place, and you don't get the tour groups eating there at lunch time nearly as much as at dinner.

              1. re: John Talbott

                There is the difference, fun perhaps, never when l was there. very pushy waiter, cheese selection that was boring at very best, nice wine list but eventhough very near my apartment, would not take a free meal ar Astier.

                1. re: John Talbott

                  In my wildest dreams I can't equate Astier with "fun". In fact, it is hard for me to suggest an adjective for current Astier. Sad might be one. Stale another. Boring close behind.

                2. re: Parigi

                  I like the atmosphere at Au Pied de Cochon, but for that Wow! factor the setting of Le Train Bleu is tough to beat.

              2. I don't know Chartier, but I prefer Pied de Cochon to Bofinger and think your 20 year old would also but I really like Parigi's idea of Le Train Bleu as the ultimate knock her sox off place to see even though I can't speak to how "fun" it is--I'm thinking you can make it fun no matter what.

                13 Replies
                1. re: JmVikmanis

                  I agree about Le Train Bleu for the decor, it is a must do. But, it is nearly 100% tourists so lacks the old style Parisian atmosphere of a big brasserie. Is "Pied de Cochon" the original building, I had been under the impression it was re-housed when Les Halles was redeveloped, it always looked a bit high street chain" to me. I am happy to be corrected.

                  1. re: PhilD

                    "Le Train Bleu as the ultimate knock her sox off place to see even though I can't speak to how "fun" it is"

                    I'll let you in on the secret fun part: You notice those murals depicting all the resorts where one could go taking the overnight "Train Bleu": Orange, Annecy, etc.
                    Did you notice the mural on the ceiling? It depicts the ultimate vacation: heaven.

                    1. re: Parigi

                      I gotta demur. The food at Le Train Bleu just doesn't match the decor.
                      And Bofinger while dazzling, bored my 10 yo's in March.
                      Au Pied - decadent enough, Chartier - crowded enough.
                      When I was 20 I thot Maxim's (which has reopened for its 9th life) and the Tour d'Argent were the cat's meow.
                      But as someone who has some professional interest in "fun" in both my day and night jobs, I seek a definition OneMoreBite.
                      Fun as in ha ha = McDo's on the C-E.
                      Fun as in bizarre = La Casserole in the 18th
                      Fun as in joyous = Le Ciel de Paris where you can see everything but the Monster
                      Fun as in exploding tastes = Ze?

                      1. re: John Talbott

                        John, isn't "fun" in this context all about the "romance" of Paris, I believe a first trip for someone in their '20's needs to include the classics, albeit the faded classics.

                        A first trip to Paris needs to include the history, the glamour and the style. Nice food is important but without the other elements it sort of misses the point. After all what is special about sitting in the "low rent hotel dining room" that is ZKG.

                        1. re: PhilD

                          I'd like to think we will be avoiding the "busloads of tourists" simply because the earliest we eat dinner is 9:00 p.m. Correct me if I'm totally wrong on that. As for fun, I should have been more specific. None of the four definitions above apply. What I have in mind is a crowded, bustling room, people talking & laughing, wine being poured with abandon, table hopping (if the French did that), good people watching, in other words a party atmosphere. Thanks to all for the excellent feeback!

                          1. re: OneMoreBite

                            Well then try Chez l'Ami Jean, Chez Denise, Joséphine, Adrienne, Le Quincy -- places where people go to eat serioulsy.

                            1. re: OneMoreBite

                              You have described Balthazar in NYC. The French do not table hop and never pour wine with abandon. Brasserie Balzar fits your other requirements; the gurus on this site don't like Balzar, but you will find the atmosphere upbeat and the wait staff friendly and without "attitude". And there is no American section. If you must have great food as well, Souphie's list is just fine.

                              1. re: Oakglen

                                Gurus? Quels gurus? Ronin maybe...

                                1. re: Parigi

                                  Ronin; my favorite Paris chase scene. Anybody know where that Montmartre cafe is; the one where the movie begins and ends?

                                  1. re: Oakglen

                                    (Sorriest for this off-topic reply holding up western civilization here)

                                    You mean the café below the stairs to the Butte? Rue la Vieuville and rue des Trois Frères (actually a block from Amélie's grocery store, and 2 minute walk from the theater in Le Dernier Métro).
                                    Try this nifty website:

                                    1. re: Parigi

                                      Thanks much Parigi, been there, walked there, never would have figured it out. Reality can be so sobering. Especially the Tex-Mex part.

                              2. re: OneMoreBite

                                OMB - your 9:00pm strategy is sound. However, it falls apart a bit if 99% of the patrons are tourists i.e. like Le Train Bleau

                              3. re: PhilD

                                "Nice food is important but without the other elements it sort of misses the point."

                                Hallelujah brother Phil !

                      2. By the way, why is Flo evil and not Les Frères Blanc or Gérard Joulie?

                        2 Replies
                        1. re: souphie

                          You'd have to point a gun at me to make me go to any of them.
                          But with some, you have to pull the trigger.

                          1. re: Parigi

                            +1. They're all lousy. Isn't Wepler still independent?

                            For the OP's benefit, I'd pick Chartier for the booze... again. It still attracts a lot of locals: students. PdC and Le Chien Qui Fume are better than Badfinger, but I'm sure I'm one really bad enforced dining obligation at one of the first two away from blacklisting them forever.